Posts Tagged ‘Muhammad’

Meccans who would not permit freedom of religion to the Muslims

May 6, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-is-islam-so-dangerous.220170/page-30#post-6092971

“The Muslims were first attacked, persecuted, their businesses plundered and livelihood destroyed and some killed during 13 years of persecution in Mecca after which they fled to Abyssinia as refugees and given refuge by the Christian King Negus. The Meccans pursued them to Abyssinia intending to exterminate and commit genocide against the Muslim community. An assassination attempt was also made against Prophet Muhammad but failed.”
“Meccans who would not permit freedom of religion to the Muslims”

#593 paarsurrey

Wonderful summation of the cause and context of the conflict.

Regards

 

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is only a Successor of Muhammad in our times

April 27, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/infallibility.211752/page-33#post-6082955

#656 paarsurrey

Infallibility

One may like to read my post #77,in another thread which is very relevant here.

Regards

#660 paarsurrey, 

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is only a Successor of Muhammad in our times. Even Muhammad could make mistakes of understanding and did not have any supernatural powers:

AYAH al-Isra` 17:93
Arabic[​IMG] أَوْ يَكُونَ لَكَ بَيْتٌ مِّن زُخْرُفٍ أَوْ تَرْقَىٰ فِي السَّمَاءِ وَلَن نُّؤْمِنَ لِرُقِيِّكَ حَتَّىٰ تُنَزِّلَ عَلَيْنَا كِتَابًا نَّقْرَؤُهُ قُلْ سُبْحَانَ رَبِّي هَلْ كُنتُ إِلَّا بَشَرًا رَّسُولًا [​IMG]
Transliteration[​IMG] Aw yakoona laka baytun min zukhrufin aw tarqa fee alssama-i walan nu/mina liruqiyyika hattatunazzila AAalayna kitaban naqraohu qul subhana rabbee hal kuntu illabasharan rasoolan
Literal
(Word by Word) Or is for you a house of ornament or you ascend into the sky. And never we will believe in your ascension until you bring down to us a book we could read it.” Say, “Glorified (is) my Lord! “What am I but a human, a Messenger.”
Sher Ali[​IMG] `Or, thou have a house of gold or thou ascend up into heaven; and we will not believe in thy ascension until thou send down to us a Book that we can read.’ Say, `Holy is my Lord ! I am but a mortal sent as a Messenger.’
John Medows Rodwell[​IMG] Or thou have a house of gold; or thou mount up into Heaven; nor will we believe in thy mounting up, till thou send down to us a book which we may read.” SAY: Praise be to my Lord! Am I more than a man, an apostle?
al-Isra` 17:93

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is only a Successor of Muhammad in our times.
Again from G-d:

AYAH ash-Shu`ara` 26:3

Arabic[​IMG] لَعَلَّكَ بَاخِعٌ نَّفْسَكَ أَلَّا يَكُونُوا مُؤْمِنِينَ [​IMG]
Transliteration[​IMG] LaAAallaka bakhiAAun nafsaka alla yakoonoo mu/mineena
Literal
(Word by Word) Perhaps you (would) kill yourself* that not they become believers.
Sher Ali[​IMG] Haply thou* wilt grieve thyself to death because they believe not.
George Sale[​IMG] Peradventure thou afflictest thy* self unto death, lest the Meccans become not true believers. [​IMG]
John Medows Rodwell[​IMG] Haply thou wearest thyself* away with grief because they will not believe.
ash-Shu`ara` 26:3
*Muhammad

A messenger of G-d has to deliver the message G-d gave him, else, he has not done his duty towards humanity, and in his footsteps, the believers also.
I know one won’t like it.

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“Why I do not think the marriage of A’isha and Muhammad was not wrong”

June 3, 2018

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-i-do-not-think-the-marriage-of-a%E2%80%99isha-and-muhammad-was-not-wrong.208942/#post-5641433

Post #16  paarsurrey 

Last edited: 41 minutes ago

Thanks for one’s comments.
Marriage is to take place between adults or when they attain marriageable age* that could be different in different regions/times of the world as per the law of the land, and if there is no specific law in this respect then as per the prevailing customs and traditions in vogue in the society .
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*Several places, including the state of Massachusetts in the United States, allow girls as young as 12 to get married in “exceptional circumstances” with the consent of a judge.
Chart shows the lowest age you can legally get married around the world
You can still get married at 12 in some parts of the US
OOOOOOOOOO
a-Classic Encyclopedia states that: Puberty in hot climate areas is much earlier & faster than that in cold ones. So girls puberty age could reach 8 or 9 years in hot climate areas.

As stated by “Classic Encyclopedia”: [Encyclopedia Britannica, 1911 edition]

“In northern countries males enter upon sexual maturity between the age of fourteen and sixteen, sometimes not much before the eighteenth year, females between twelve and fourteen. In tropical climates puberty is much earlier.”

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Puberty

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-i-do-not-think-the-marriage-of-a%E2%80%99isha-and-muhammad-was-not-wrong.208942/#post-5641433

Isn’t Muhammad the “Paraclete”/”Comforter”/ “Spirit of truth*” Jesus foretold?

November 14, 2017

So Muhammad and the Qur’an would be that other “comforter” that “allon paraklēton” and by happening in the year 632 CE, which is the end of 600 years which marks the beginning of a 700th century Sabbath, and God does seem to embrace numbers as significant markers.
The “*spirit of truth” is what matters, and the Qur’an does make correction where Christianity had already gone astray.

Thread: “Isn’t Muhammad the “Paraclete”/ “Comforter? “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

Post 1: 

Paarsurrey wrote:

Isn’t Muhammad the “Paraclete”/”Comforter”/”Spirit of truth*” Jesus foretold?

Anybody or everybody in the forum, please

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Just to quote for easy reference, please:

JP Cusick wrote: Thread “No-MiddleMan Movement”
“Discussion around the traces of middlemen in each religion”
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

Post 9:

 

Quote:
m—o wrote:

But not doctored to the extent that it debars some Muslims from claiming that it predicts Muhammad. When John says that Jesus will send ” allon paraklēton,” another Paraclete from heaven, some construe this as meaning, seven centuries later, an Arab trader will be that very messenger. So John has his uses.

 

 

Quote:
JP Cusick wrote:
Thank you Marco as I never knew about that interpretation and I like that.John 14:
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

So Muhammad and the Qur’an would be that other “comforter” that “allon paraklēton” and by happening in the year 632 CE, which is the end of 600 years which marks the beginning of a 700th century Sabbath, and God does seem to embrace numbers as significant markers.

The “*spirit of truth” is what matters, and the Qur’an does make correction where Christianity had already gone astray.

M—o got it right in this case – cheers to this.
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“Muhammad abhorred fighting with anyone. Did he?”

October 9, 2017

https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=888732#888732

Post 1: 
Muhammad abhorred fighting with anyone. Did he?
Paarsurrey wrote:


Muhammad under the guidance of Word of God established a most equitable, peaceful and rational society starting from Mecca, Medina and when Mecca became free under his control to the whole of the Arabian Peninsula and of course then in the whole world.
Muhammad abhorred fighting with anyone and he was not trained to fight. Was he, please?
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OOOOOOOOOOOReference Post 24 in the thread “Worship of Mary not Biblical”:
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=888509#888509
Post 5: 
W—-h wrote:
It’s dangerous to see the good in wicked people and more dangerous to try to justify wicked actions because it’s not healthy to support immorality.For instance all criminals would claim to abhor violence but in their situation they had to do it.

But the criminal at least deserves some pity because we did not walk in their shoes. But the one that makes excuses for the criminal deserves far less pity because they are justifying evil.

Right now we have a mass delusion enforced by violence and fear where sane comments about a historical figure are not possible. The West is going to have to choose again between freedom and slavery and it is not clear it has the courage to do so.

We can talk sanely about Ghengis khan or Hitler or napoleon or Cesar or pharoah but not Mohammad. Why is that?


W—-h wrote:

Quote:
We can talk sanely about Ghengis khan or Hitler or napoleon or Cesar or pharoah but not Mohammad. Why is that?

Paarsurrey wrote:
One is welcome to talk about Muhammad sanely, no harm, please.
Did one read Quran to know the truth about Muhammad? Quran is the truthful source of important/crucial/salient points about the life events of Muhammad, and it recorded them while these happened as if a live transmission was going on. Right, please?

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Anyone who says the Quran advocates terrorism obviously hasn’t read its lessons on violence
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/islam-muslim-terrorism-islamist-extremism-quran-teaching-violence-meaning-prophet-muhammed-a7676246.html

Muhammad smashed no idols physically. Did he?

March 17, 2017

What is wrong with smashing the idols?

I participated in the discussion on the above topic in my most cherished discussion forum Religious Forums.

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/what-is-wrong-with-smashing-the-idols.194938/

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sc….. said:
Prophet Luqmaan once said to his son “O my son, do not set up any idols beside God; idolatry is a gross injustice.”

“O my son, do not set up any idols beside God; idolatry is a gross injustice.”
The verse does not speak of demolishing the idols. Is it? Please
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#177 paarsurrey commented:

“O my son, do not set up any idols beside God; idolatry is a gross injustice.”
The better point is that one concentrates on the reasons/arguments given in the above verse (any many others) namely doing “gross injustice by believing in idolatry”. Please
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OOO

SR…..said:

#179 paarsurrey, 

“fundamental human right”

Muhammad cared for all the humans rights rather he was the champion of the human rights. We follow Muhammad, not the politically motivated Terrorists of any time and place. Please
Regards

OOO

Note: 1

Search term: Who owned Kaaba in the time of Muhammad?

The Meccans did not own the Kaaba exclusively . The ownership of the Kaaba was hereditary to the heirs of Abraham and Ishmael who built this house of worship and they were strong believers in One God. 

The keys are in the hands of one family

At the time of the Prophet , each aspect to do with the rites of Hajj was in the hands of different sub-groups of the Quraish. Every one of these would eventually lose control of their guardianship of a particular rite except one. On the conquest of Makkah, the Prophet was given the keys to the Kaaba and instead of keeping it in his own possession; he returned them back to the Osman ibn Talha ® of the Bani Shaiba family. They had been the traditional key keepers of the Kaaba for centuries; and the Prophet confirmed them in that role till the end of time by these words

“Take it, O Bani Talha, eternally up to the Day of Resurrection, and it will not be taken from you unless by an unjust, oppressive tyrant.”

Whether Caliph, Sultan or King – the most powerful men in the world have all had to bow to the words of the Prophet

Note:2

“It may be noted here that the idols belonged to Abraham’s own family. Otherwise it was not right and proper for him to break other people’s idols.”

https://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=1701&region=E1&CR=EN,E2&CR=EN,E2

OOO

#180 paarsurrey 

That is one of the focal points. The idolators must answer, if they please.
Anybody, please
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OOO

#195 paarsurrey

There is no such teaching in Quran. Please
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OOO

#312 paarsurrey, 

“He left the temple”
Did this happen in a temple? Please quote the relevant verse of Quran?
Regards

OOO

#313 paarsurrey, 

I give the event from Wikipedia:
According to Genesis Rabbah 38.13 R. Hiyya, a first generation Jewish sage, tells the following story:

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Abraham cast into the fire
Terah was an idol manufacturer who once went away and left Abraham in charge of the store. A man walked in and wished to buy an idol. Abraham asked him how old he was and the man responded “fifty years old.” Abraham then said, “You are fifty years old and would worship a day old statue!” At this point the man left ashamed.

Later, a woman walked in to the store and wanted to make an offering to the idols. So Abraham took a stick, smashed the idols and placed the stick in the hand of the largest idol. When Terah returned he asked Abraham what happened to all the idols. Abraham told him that a woman came in to make an offering to the idols. Then the idols argued about which one should eat the offering first. Then the largest idol took the stick and smashed the other idols.

Terah responded by saying that they are only statues and have no knowledge. Whereupon Abraham responded by saying that you deny their knowledge, yet you worship them! At which point Terah took Abraham to Nimrod.

Nimrod proclaims to Abraham that we should worship fire. Abraham responds that water puts out fire. So Nimrod declares they worship water. Abraham responds that clouds hold water. So Nimrod declares they worship clouds. Abraham responds that wind pushes clouds. So Nimrod declares they worship wind. Abraham responds that people withstand wind.

Nimrod becomes angry with Abraham and declares that Abraham shall be cast into the fire, and if Abraham is correct that there is a real God, that God will save him. Then Abraham is cast into the fire and is saved by God.
Abraham and the Idol Shop – Wikipedia
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OOO

#320 paarsurrey, 

“That is not religious doctrine as I understand the concept.”

I agree with one. There is no such teaching in Quran. Other religions are respected in Quran and by Muhammad. Please
Regards

OOO

#328 paarsurrey, 

As I had stated earlier in a post, the event did not occur in a temple, it occurred in a shop (among many shops there) where idols were made and sold. The very people who made idols with their hands could amend or undo them, without any objection from others.
So, there was no desecration of any temple or the people in a temple.
While at the shop, Abraham started giving reasonable and very brilliant arguments without any anguish or any indignation and with wisdom. Right? Please
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OOO

#331 paarsurrey, Jan 30, 2017

The idols distract one’s attention from the real Godhead, so it serves no purpose. Please
Did the idols ever say that

  • they perform an important role between the humans and the God,
  • and or (Supreme)God had assigned such role to them
  • or that (Supreme)God abhors direct interaction with the righteous human
  • and as such inanimates will perform an intermediary role between the righteous and the (Supreme)God?

There is nothing like that. Right? Please
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OOO

#333 paarsurrey,

Abraham gave suchlike reasonable and rational arguments to the clients of the shop to the people who came to purchase the idols as mentioned in the Genesis Rabbah, I repeat here again, one might have missed it:

Abraham and the Idol Shop
appears in Genesis Rabbah chapter 38 and is a biblical commentary on the early life of Abraham. The commentary explains what happened to Abraham when he was a young boy working in his father’s idol shop. The story has been used as a way to discuss monotheism and faith in general.
According to Genesis Rabbah 38.13 R. Hiyya, a first generation Jewish sage, tells the following story:

Terah was an idol manufacturer who once went away and left Abraham in charge of the store. (1)A man walked in and wished to buy an idol. Abraham asked him how old he was and the man responded “fifty years old.” Abraham then said, “You are fifty years old and would worship a day old statue!” At this point the man left ashamed.

(2)Later, a woman walked in to the store and wanted to make an offering to the idols. So Abraham took a stick, smashed the idols and placed the stick in the hand of the largest idol.
(3)When Terah returned he asked Abraham what happened to all the idols. Abraham told him that a woman came in to make an offering to the idols. Then the idols argued about which one should eat the offering first. Then the largest idol took the stick and smashed the other idols.

(4)Terah responded by saying that they are only statues and have no knowledge. Whereupon Abraham responded by saying that you deny their knowledge, yet you worship them! At which point Terah took Abraham to Nimrod.

Nimrod proclaims to Abraham that we should worship fire. Abraham responds that water puts out fire. So Nimrod declares they worship water. Abraham responds that clouds hold water. So Nimrod declares they worship clouds. Abraham responds that wind pushes clouds. So Nimrod declares they worship wind. Abraham responds that people withstand wind.

Nimrod becomes angry with Abraham and declares that Abraham shall be cast into the fire, and if Abraham is correct that there is a real God, that God will save him. Then Abraham is cast into the fire and is saved by God.
Abraham and the Idol Shop – Wikipedia
Please see the above (some four) arguments together with the demonstration done by Abraham. It was never done in a temple but in a manufacturer’s shop. One may like to ask the respected Judaism people in the forum about the rationality of Abraham.
Nothing was done by Abraham that was against the humanity. Rather. what was done to Abraham was sheer against humanity, a human being was set to fire alive . Right? Please
Anybody, please
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OOO

#417 paarsurrey, 

Coming to the topic, please
What is wrong with smashing the idols?

The statues that Abraham broke, to demonstrate an argument, were not yet sold for worship, neither for the private worship nor for the worship in a temple.
Regards

OOO

#424 paarsurrey,

There is no idol in Mecca now, all the idols were removed by the Meccan non-believers toward the end of Muhammad’s life.
The Meccans were from the line of Abraham through his elder son Ishmael. Abraham built this House of Worship of ONE-God, later the Meccans out of superstition put idols in it wrongly. When their superstition ended, they removed these idols and restored it to its original form or brilliant status. OK? Please
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OOO

#523 paarsurrey, 

It is put there only as a mark for denoting end of a circle completed by a Muslim.
Regards

OOO

#528 paarsurrey, 

Did I ever express any anger here? G-d bestowed life to every human being with his grace and he has given one freedom to live one’s life as one wants in this world, the accountability will be done by Him in the hereafter. I don’t find any reason to deny it and be angry. Please live as one pleases.
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OOO

#532 paarsurrey, 

“But if these don’t belong to you, then you have no rights to damaging other people’s properties and no rights in damaging public properties; you are breaking the law.”

I agree with one. Please
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OOO

#534 paarsurrey, 

Please paraphrase colored in magenta. I don’t get one exactly.
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OOO

#536 paarsurrey 

What is wrong with smashing the idols?

One may like to read post #1 in another thread, it is connected to this thread.
Please
Regards

OOO

#589 paarsurrey, 

I didn’t get one exactly. Please
Regard

OOO

#592 paarsurrey, 

Could Muhammad do something against the Quranic Revelation? Please
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OOO

#594paarsurrey, Today at 11:07 AM

One’s source as one mentioned was based on history of the time of Muhammad. When was the first history book written narrating the event ? Please
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OOO

 

What is wrong with smashing the idols?

Is it equitable on part of of the non-believers to put idols in a worship-house constructed solely for the worship of ONE-GOD? Please
Regards

OOO

Muhammad spread his religion and peace with the minimum human loss

February 24, 2017

Muhammad spread his religion and peace with the minimum human loss
Seeing the figures of human causalities in “the most murderous century ever” one must note here that Muhammad spread his religion and peace with the minimum human loss, if he and his followers would have not been attacked aggressively; there would have been no human loss.
Muhammad had no intention to capture any lands or to be a king.Right? Please

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December 22, 2015

 

 

“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son” :Prophecy is most suited on Muhammad

May 13, 2015

One may view, comment and join discussion on < www.religiousforums.com > under the topic <What do you think of the virgin birth of Jesus?>.

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/what-do-you-think-of-the-virgin-birth-of-jesus.176754/page-9#post-4286910

Post #174

Aupmanyav said:
Well, for example, myself. My mother was a virgin when she married my father. Am I not born of a woman who was a virgin?

Paarsurrey wrote:
Well in that sense everybody is born of a virgin.
I agree with you.

Paarsurrey wrote:

I further have to add.
Abdullah got married to a Aminah a virgin (not previously married to anybody). Muhammad was born of Abullah and Aminah.
The prophecy most suitably is fulfilled on Muhammad than anybody else, I think.
What does one think? Please.

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Note: One may like to refer to Isaiah 7:14 http://biblehub.com/isaiah/7-14.htm

Why Ahmadi peaceful Muslim?

May 21, 2014

http://atheistenglishman.wordpress.com/believer-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-33

paarsurrey on May 21, 2014 at 4:03 pm said:
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.

http://atheistenglishman.wordpress.com/believer-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-38

AtheistEnglishmanon May 21, 2014 at 4:32 pm said:
Why do you feel the need to insert ‘peaceful’ in the description?

http://atheistenglishman.wordpress.com/believer-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-41

paarsurrey on May 21, 2014 at 7:49 pm said:

We Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslims have the diversity the world needs.

We do not eliminate or exterminate or abhor any human beings. We do not say that Jesus’ or Krishna’s or Buddha’s or Zoroaster’s or Moses’ ways were wrong. We respect them all and say that the above persons were truthful persons and they must have received messages from Allah. But their people did not and could not secure the Message which was the same for every race and region.

The obscure Word with them could be rejuvenated and reconstructed to the original Message but with a lot of effort, as the Renovators would do to an ancient building or monument.

While the same Creator rules the Universe now that ruled in the ancient times; He has mercifully re-sent the Message through Muhammad, respecting the ancient scriptures but encompassing the same in Quran in a compact manner. So the reality and diversity are not compromised but maintained in a graceful way- which is the need of the hour.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 as a truthful Successor of Muhammad is doing this work with peaceful discussion and dialogue.

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