Meccans who would not permit freedom of religion to the Muslims

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-is-islam-so-dangerous.220170/page-30#post-6092971

lovexxxxxx said: ↑

The Muslims were first attacked, persecuted, their businesses plundered and livelihood destroyed and some killed during 13 years of persecution in Mecca after which they fled to Abyssinia as refugees and given refuge by the Christian King Negus. The Meccans pursued them to Abyssinia intending to exterminate and commit genocide against the Muslim community. An assassination attempt was also made against Prophet Muhammad but failed.

Then they fled to Medina where the Medinians accepted Muhammad. After 13 years of being pursued and hunted down God revealed Sura 2:190 to defend only if attacked.

So the very first attacks and murders and the beginning of the war was started by the Meccans who would not permit freedom of religion to the Muslims as well as plundered all their possessions and exiled them homeless and penniless.

8:26

Call to mind how He gave you shelter when you were few in number and were oppressed in the land, fearing that the enemy would kidnap you. But He provided you a safe asylum,

In a war the Meccans started with intent to exterminate the entire Muslim community attacks on caravans became a war tactic to disrupt flow of goods and supplies which were to be used to attack Muslims.

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“The Muslims were first attacked, persecuted, their businesses plundered and livelihood destroyed and some killed during 13 years of persecution in Mecca after which they fled to Abyssinia as refugees and given refuge by the Christian King Negus. The Meccans pursued them to Abyssinia intending to exterminate and commit genocide against the Muslim community. An assassination attempt was also made against Prophet Muhammad but failed.”
“Meccans who would not permit freedom of religion to the Muslims”

#593 paarsurrey

Wonderful summation of the cause and context of the conflict.

Regards

 

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is only a Successor of Muhammad in our times

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/infallibility.211752/page-33#post-6082955

#656 paarsurrey

Infallibility

One may like to read my post #77,in another thread which is very relevant here.

Regards

Vinxxxx said: ↑

I’m curious, Paarsurrey. Do the Amadiyyas consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad infallible?

#660 paarsurrey, 

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is only a Successor of Muhammad in our times. Even Muhammad could make mistakes of understanding and did not have any supernatural powers:

AYAH al-Isra` 17:93
Arabic أَوْ يَكُونَ لَكَ بَيْتٌ مِّن زُخْرُفٍ أَوْ تَرْقَىٰ فِي السَّمَاءِ وَلَن نُّؤْمِنَ لِرُقِيِّكَ حَتَّىٰ تُنَزِّلَ عَلَيْنَا كِتَابًا نَّقْرَؤُهُ قُلْ سُبْحَانَ رَبِّي هَلْ كُنتُ إِلَّا بَشَرًا رَّسُولًا 
Transliteration Aw yakoona laka baytun min zukhrufin aw tarqa fee alssama-i walan nu/mina liruqiyyika hattatunazzila AAalayna kitaban naqraohu qul subhana rabbee hal kuntu illabasharan rasoolan
Literal
(Word by Word) Or is for you a house of ornament or you ascend into the sky. And never we will believe in your ascension until you bring down to us a book we could read it.” Say, “Glorified (is) my Lord! “What am I but a human, a Messenger.”
Sher Ali `Or, thou have a house of gold or thou ascend up into heaven; and we will not believe in thy ascension until thou send down to us a Book that we can read.’ Say, `Holy is my Lord ! I am but a mortal sent as a Messenger.’
John Medows Rodwell Or thou have a house of gold; or thou mount up into Heaven; nor will we believe in thy mounting up, till thou send down to us a book which we may read.” SAY: Praise be to my Lord! Am I more than a man, an apostle?
al-Isra` 17:93

Regards

Vinxxxx said: ↑

Thank you. This is a far more reasonable approach than infallibility. So now another question? How do Ahmadiyyas approach proselytising towards other religions?

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is only a Successor of Muhammad in our times.
Again from G-d:

AYAH ash-Shu`ara` 26:3

Arabic لَعَلَّكَ بَاخِعٌ نَّفْسَكَ أَلَّا يَكُونُوا مُؤْمِنِينَ 
Transliteration LaAAallaka bakhiAAun nafsaka alla yakoonoo mu/mineena
Literal
(Word by Word) Perhaps you (would) kill yourself* that not they become believers.
Sher Ali Haply thou* wilt grieve thyself to death because they believe not.
George Sale Peradventure thou afflictest thy* self unto death, lest the Meccans become not true believers. 
John Medows Rodwell Haply thou wearest thyself* away with grief because they will not believe.
ash-Shu`ara` 26:3
*Muhammad

A messenger of G-d has to deliver the message G-d gave him, else, he has not done his duty towards humanity, and in his footsteps, the believers also.
I know one won’t like it.

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“Why I do not think the marriage of A’isha and Muhammad was not wrong”

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-i-do-not-think-the-marriage-of-a%E2%80%99isha-and-muhammad-was-not-wrong.208942/#post-5641433

Post #16  paarsurrey 

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Thanks for one’s comments.
Marriage is to take place between adults or when they attain marriageable age* that could be different in different regions/times of the world as per the law of the land, and if there is no specific law in this respect then as per the prevailing customs and traditions in vogue in the society .
Regards

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*Several places, including the state of Massachusetts in the United States, allow girls as young as 12 to get married in “exceptional circumstances” with the consent of a judge.
Chart shows the lowest age you can legally get married around the world
You can still get married at 12 in some parts of the US
OOOOOOOOOO
a-Classic Encyclopedia states that: Puberty in hot climate areas is much earlier & faster than that in cold ones. So girls puberty age could reach 8 or 9 years in hot climate areas.

As stated by “Classic Encyclopedia”: [Encyclopedia Britannica, 1911 edition]

“In northern countries males enter upon sexual maturity between the age of fourteen and sixteen, sometimes not much before the eighteenth year, females between twelve and fourteen. In tropical climates puberty is much earlier.”

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Puberty

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-i-do-not-think-the-marriage-of-a%E2%80%99isha-and-muhammad-was-not-wrong.208942/#post-5641433

Isn’t Muhammad the “Paraclete”/”Comforter”/ “Spirit of truth*” Jesus foretold?

So Muhammad and the Qur’an would be that other “comforter” that “allon paraklēton” and by happening in the year 632 CE, which is the end of 600 years which marks the beginning of a 700th century Sabbath, and God does seem to embrace numbers as significant markers.
The “*spirit of truth” is what matters, and the Qur’an does make correction where Christianity had already gone astray.

Thread: “Isn’t Muhammad the “Paraclete”/ “Comforter? “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

Post 1:

Paarsurrey wrote: Isn’t Muhammad the “Paraclete”/”Comforter”/”Spirit of truth*” Jesus foretold? Anybody or everybody in the forum, please Regards ______ Just to quote for easy reference, please: JP Cusick wrote: Thread “No-MiddleMan Movement” “Discussion around the traces of middlemen in each religion” Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma Post 9:   Quote: m—o wrote: But not doctored to the extent that it debars some Muslims from claiming that it predicts Muhammad. When John says that Jesus will send ” allon paraklēton,” another Paraclete from heaven, some construe this as meaning, seven centuries later, an Arab trader will be that very messenger. So John has his uses.     Quote: JP Cusick wrote: Thank you Marco as I never knew about that interpretation and I like that.John 14: 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; – So Muhammad and the Qur’an would be that other “comforter” that “allon paraklēton” and by happening in the year 632 CE, which is the end of 600 years which marks the beginning of a 700th century Sabbath, and God does seem to embrace numbers as significant markers. The “*spirit of truth” is what matters, and the Qur’an does make correction where Christianity had already gone astray. M—o got it right in this case – cheers to this. _________________ SIGNATURE: An unorthodox Theist & a heretic Christian

“Muhammad abhorred fighting with anyone. Did he?”

https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=888732#888732

Post 1:  Muhammad abhorred fighting with anyone. Did he?

Paarsurrey wrote:

Muhammad under the guidance of Word of God established a most equitable, peaceful and rational society starting from Mecca, Medina and when Mecca became free under his control to the whole of the Arabian Peninsula and of course then in the whole world. Muhammad abhorred fighting with anyone and he was not trained to fight. Was he, please? RegardsOOOOOOOOOOOReference Post 24 in the thread “Worship of Mary not Biblical”: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=888509#888509

Post 5:

W—-h wrote: It’s dangerous to see the good in wicked people and more dangerous to try to justify wicked actions because it’s not healthy to support immorality.For instance all criminals would claim to abhor violence but in their situation they had to do it. But the criminal at least deserves some pity because we did not walk in their shoes. But the one that makes excuses for the criminal deserves far less pity because they are justifying evil. Right now we have a mass delusion enforced by violence and fear where sane comments about a historical figure are not possible. The West is going to have to choose again between freedom and slavery and it is not clear it has the courage to do so. We can talk sanely about Ghengis khan or Hitler or napoleon or Cesar or pharoah but not Mohammad. Why is that? W—-h wrote: Quote: We can talk sanely about Ghengis khan or Hitler or napoleon or Cesar or pharoah but not Mohammad. Why is that? Paarsurrey wrote: One is welcome to talk about Muhammad sanely, no harm, please. Did one read Quran to know the truth about Muhammad? Quran is the truthful source of important/crucial/salient points about the life events of Muhammad, and it recorded them while these happened as if a live transmission was going on. Right, please? Regards __________ Anyone who says the Quran advocates terrorism obviously hasn’t read its lessons on violence http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/islam-muslim-terrorism-islamist-extremism-quran-teaching-violence-meaning-prophet-muhammed-a7676246.html

Muhammad smashed no idols physically. Did he?

What is wrong with smashing the idols?

I participated in the discussion on the above topic in my most cherished discussion forum .

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/what-is-wrong-with-smashing-the-idols.194938/

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sc….. said: ↑
Prophet Luqmaan once said to his son “O my son, do not set up any idols beside God; idolatry is a gross injustice.”

“O my son, do not set up any idols beside God; idolatry is a gross injustice.”
The verse does not speak of demolishing the idols. Is it? Please
Regards

LD….. said: ↑

Fair point. It does not.

I guess there are people who follow that up with a perceived need to address the injustice with further action.

Like others in this thread, I commend you for thinking better than that.

#177 paarsurrey commented:

“O my son, do not set up any idols beside God; idolatry is a gross injustice.”
The better point is that one concentrates on the reasons/arguments given in the above verse (any many others) namely doing “gross injustice by believing in idolatry”. Please
Regards

OOO

SR…..said: ↑

Well, it’s quite rude for starters. It’s very thug like behavior, which is frowned upon because it’s destructive and disrespectful to other people.
You don’t see me tearing down Mosques. Because in a civilized society one recognizes that respect should be given to other people and their right to worship (or not worship) anyway they see fit. It’s a fundamental human right recognized across the world over. So to destroy idols that one may or may not worship directly deprives someone of that right, thereby persecuting them. Now destroying an idol one owns is the one exception because you officially and legally own it. Still a rather pointless endeavor, I mean you might as well tear up a book you own. What’s the point?
If you destroy an idol that belongs to someone else or even a country (like a landmark or something) then it’s actually vandalism and destruction of property, which is illegal in most countries.
In any case, it comes down to basic civility and respect.
I mean honestly, manners cost nothing.

#179 paarsurrey, 

“fundamental human right”

Muhammad cared for all the humans rights rather he was the champion of the human rights. We follow Muhammad, not the politically motivated Terrorists of any time and place. Please
Regards

OOO

Note: 1

Search term: Who owned Kaaba in the time of Muhammad?

The Meccans did not own the Kaaba exclusively . The ownership of the Kaaba was hereditary to the heirs of Abraham and Ishmael who built this house of worship and they were strong believers in One God. 

The keys are in the hands of one family

At the time of the Prophet , each aspect to do with the rites of Hajj was in the hands of different sub-groups of the Quraish. Every one of these would eventually lose control of their guardianship of a particular rite except one. On the conquest of Makkah, the Prophet was given the keys to the Kaaba and instead of keeping it in his own possession; he returned them back to the Osman ibn Talha ® of the Bani Shaiba family. They had been the traditional key keepers of the Kaaba for centuries; and the Prophet confirmed them in that role till the end of time by these words

“Take it, O Bani Talha, eternally up to the Day of Resurrection, and it will not be taken from you unless by an unjust, oppressive tyrant.”

Whether Caliph, Sultan or King – the most powerful men in the world have all had to bow to the words of the Prophet

Note:2

“It may be noted here that the idols belonged to Abraham’s own family. Otherwise it was not right and proper for him to break other people’s idols.”

https://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=1701&region=E1&CR=EN,E2&CR=EN,E2

OOO

sc….said: ↑

Is there any benefit in those idols?

#180 paarsurrey 

That is one of the focal points. The idolators must answer, if they please.
Anybody, please
Regards

OOO

R…. said: ↑

https://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/12/249092.html
“An Egyptian jihad leader, with self-professed links to the Taliban, called for the “destruction of the Sphinx and the Giza Pyramids in Egypt,” drawing ties between the Egyptian relics and Buddha statues, local media reported this week.”

Foreigner Arrested For Smashing Statues Of Buddha At Sensoji – japanCRUSH
“2ch netizens have been shocked by the news that a Saudi Arabian man who is a graduate student at one of Japan’s most prestigious universities had been arrested for smashing Buddhist statues after he was reported to police for doing so at one of Tokyo’s major temples.”The ‘Talibanization’ of Pakistan: Islamists Destroy Buddhist Statue – SPIEGEL ONLINE – International
“When the Taliban destroyed two Buddhist statues in Afghanistan in the spring of 2001, there was an international outcry. But similar incidents are now occurring in northwest Pakistan, where radical Islamists recently blew up a sculpture of Buddha in broad daylight.”

Italy: Muslims Destroy and Urinate on Virgin Mary Statue – Raymond Ibrahim
“The first thing they did was rip the photo from his hands.
Next they unleashed their hatred against the image of the Virgin Mary. They broke the statue to pieces and then urinated on it.”

Do you want some more?

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#195 paarsurrey

There is no such teaching in Quran. Please
Regards

OOO

sc said: ↑

…prophet Ibrahim then raised his ax and started smashing the false gods worshipped by the people. He destroyed them all except one, on whose neck he hung the ax. After this his anger subsided and he felt at peace. He left the temple. He had fulfilled his vow to show his people a practical proof of their foolishness in worshipping something other than Allah.

#312 paarsurrey, 

“He left the temple”
Did this happen in a temple? Please quote the relevant verse of Quran?
Regards

OOO

paarsurrey said: ↑

“He left the temple”
Did this happen in a temple? Please quote the relevant verse of Quran?
Regards

#313 paarsurrey, 

I give the event from Wikipedia:
According to Genesis Rabbah 38.13 R. Hiyya, a first generation Jewish sage, tells the following story:

Abraham cast into the fire
Terah was an idol manufacturer who once went away and left Abraham in charge of the store. A man walked in and wished to buy an idol. Abraham asked him how old he was and the man responded “fifty years old.” Abraham then said, “You are fifty years old and would worship a day old statue!” At this point the man left ashamed.

Later, a woman walked in to the store and wanted to make an offering to the idols. So Abraham took a stick, smashed the idols and placed the stick in the hand of the largest idol. When Terah returned he asked Abraham what happened to all the idols. Abraham told him that a woman came in to make an offering to the idols. Then the idols argued about which one should eat the offering first. Then the largest idol took the stick and smashed the other idols.

Terah responded by saying that they are only statues and have no knowledge. Whereupon Abraham responded by saying that you deny their knowledge, yet you worship them! At which point Terah took Abraham to Nimrod.

Nimrod proclaims to Abraham that we should worship fire. Abraham responds that water puts out fire. So Nimrod declares they worship water. Abraham responds that clouds hold water. So Nimrod declares they worship clouds. Abraham responds that wind pushes clouds. So Nimrod declares they worship wind. Abraham responds that people withstand wind.

Nimrod becomes angry with Abraham and declares that Abraham shall be cast into the fire, and if Abraham is correct that there is a real God, that God will save him. Then Abraham is cast into the fire and is saved by God.
Abraham and the Idol Shop – Wikipedia
Regards

OOO

LD…. said: ↑

#320 paarsurrey, 

“That is not religious doctrine as I understand the concept.”

I agree with one. There is no such teaching in Quran. Other religions are respected in Quran and by Muhammad. Please
Regards

OOO

sc…. said: ↑

Prophet Ibrahim lived in a community of polytheists who worshipped idols. In fact, his father too was a well-known idolater. Having seen his father manufacture and worship idols, Prophet Ibrahim, from a very young age, couldn’t understand how people could consider these non-living objects as their gods! People would offer food to and seek forgiveness from those lifeless structures!

Prophet Ibrahim protested against such practices and rituals many a times, each time receiving reprimand from his fellowmen and anger from his father. Yet, Prophet Ibrahim insisted that stereotypical practices such as idol worship were of no use, and humans did not need to bow down before lifeless objects.

#328 paarsurrey, 

As I had stated earlier in a post, the event did not occur in a temple, it occurred in a shop (among many shops there) where idols were made and sold. The very people who made idols with their hands could amend or undo them, without any objection from others.
So, there was no desecration of any temple or the people in a temple.
While at the shop, Abraham started giving reasonable and very brilliant arguments without any anguish or any indignation and with wisdom. Right? Please
Regards

OOO

#331 paarsurrey, Jan 30, 2017

The idols distract one’s attention from the real Godhead, so it serves no purpose. Please
Did the idols ever say that

• they perform an important role between the humans and the God,
• and or (Supreme)God had assigned such role to them
• or that (Supreme)God abhors direct interaction with the righteous human
• and as such inanimates will perform an intermediary role between the righteous and the (Supreme)God?

There is nothing like that. Right? Please
Regards

OOO

#333 paarsurrey,

Abraham gave suchlike reasonable and rational arguments to the clients of the shop to the people who came to purchase the idols as mentioned in the Genesis Rabbah, I repeat here again, one might have missed it:

Abraham and the Idol Shop appears in Genesis Rabbah chapter 38 and is a biblical commentary on the early life of Abraham. The commentary explains what happened to Abraham when he was a young boy working in his father’s idol shop. The story has been used as a way to discuss monotheism and faith in general.
According to Genesis Rabbah 38.13 R. Hiyya, a first generation Jewish sage, tells the following story:

Terah was an idol manufacturer who once went away and left Abraham in charge of the store. (1)A man walked in and wished to buy an idol. Abraham asked him how old he was and the man responded “fifty years old.” Abraham then said, “You are fifty years old and would worship a day old statue!” At this point the man left ashamed.

(2)Later, a woman walked in to the store and wanted to make an offering to the idols. So Abraham took a stick, smashed the idols and placed the stick in the hand of the largest idol.
(3)When Terah returned he asked Abraham what happened to all the idols. Abraham told him that a woman came in to make an offering to the idols. Then the idols argued about which one should eat the offering first. Then the largest idol took the stick and smashed the other idols.

(4)Terah responded by saying that they are only statues and have no knowledge. Whereupon Abraham responded by saying that you deny their knowledge, yet you worship them! At which point Terah took Abraham to Nimrod.

Nimrod proclaims to Abraham that we should worship fire. Abraham responds that water puts out fire. So Nimrod declares they worship water. Abraham responds that clouds hold water. So Nimrod declares they worship clouds. Abraham responds that wind pushes clouds. So Nimrod declares they worship wind. Abraham responds that people withstand wind.

Nimrod becomes angry with Abraham and declares that Abraham shall be cast into the fire, and if Abraham is correct that there is a real God, that God will save him. Then Abraham is cast into the fire and is saved by God.
Abraham and the Idol Shop – Wikipedia
Please see the above (some four) arguments together with the demonstration done by Abraham. It was never done in a temple but in a manufacturer’s shop. One may like to ask the respected Judaism people in the forum about the rationality of Abraham.
Nothing was done by Abraham that was against the humanity. Rather. what was done to Abraham was sheer against humanity, a human being was set to fire alive . Right? Please
Anybody, please
Regards

OOO

#417 paarsurrey, 

Coming to the topic, please
What is wrong with smashing the idols?

The statues that Abraham broke, to demonstrate an argument, were not yet sold for worship, neither for the private worship nor for the worship in a temple.
Regards

OOO

ps said: ↑

What of the idol in Mecca that all Muslims worship every year ?.

#424 paarsurrey,

There is no idol in Mecca now, all the idols were removed by the Meccan non-believers toward the end of Muhammad’s life.
The Meccans were from the line of Abraham through his elder son Ishmael. Abraham built this House of Worship of ONE-God, later the Meccans out of superstition put idols in it wrongly. When their superstition ended, they removed these idols and restored it to its original form or brilliant status. OK? Please
Regards

OOO

ps said: ↑

I am talking about the big black stone, I know they say its not idol worship, but I believe it is, its an excuse that they cannot get out of.

#523 paarsurrey, 

It is put there only as a mark for denoting end of a circle completed by a Muslim.
Regards

OOO

ps said: ↑

I believe that those who are highly against idols are the biggest idol worshipers going, they are so hateful against something they themselves don’t believe in, that it makes them so angry that that itself becomes an obsession, in other words their idol of hate.

#528 paarsurrey, 

Did I ever express any anger here? G-d bestowed life to every human being with his grace and he has given one freedom to live one’s life as one wants in this world, the accountability will be done by Him in the hereafter. I don’t find any reason to deny it and be angry. Please live as one pleases.
Regards

OOO

gnostic said: ↑

If these idols your personal properties than there are no problem. You are not breaking any law, if those idols belong to you.

But if these don’t belong to you, then you have no rights to damaging other people’s properties and no rights in damaging public properties; you are breaking the law.

If the properties belong to another religion.

It is call vandalism.

Would you like it if someone went to your home and burn your Qur’an or your prayer rug or mat?

Now here is a personal question, did you damage public property or another person’s religious item?

Have you ever set fire to religious buildings?

If you have, then you are nothing more than a criminal and a thug.

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#532 paarsurrey, 

“But if these don’t belong to you, then you have no rights to damaging other people’s properties and no rights in damaging public properties; you are breaking the law.”

I agree with one. Please
Regards

OOO

ps said: ↑

I didn’t say you were angry, but if the cap fits then wear it, and when you say we should live our lives the way we want, are you really saying any other way than yours is lost ?.

#534 paarsurrey, 

Please paraphrase colored in magenta. I don’t get one exactly.
Regards

OOO

#536 paarsurrey 

What is wrong with smashing the idols?

One may like to read post #1 in another thread, it is connected to this thread.
Please
Regards

OOO

sc said: ↑

Bump. @paarsurrey

Are you gonna keep ignoring me?

#589 paarsurrey, 

I didn’t get one exactly. Please
Regard

OOO

sc said: ↑

You demanded me to provide you with a verse. Right?
Please, provide me with a verse.

#592 paarsurrey, 

Could Muhammad do something against the Quranic Revelation? Please
Regards

OOO

sh said: ↑

@paarsurrey
Provide me with a verse. Don’t ask me to fight with gloves because you don’t have any either.

#594paarsurrey, Today at 11:07 AM

One’s source as one mentioned was based on history of the time of Muhammad. When was the first history book written narrating the event ? Please
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OOO

What is wrong with smashing the idols?

Is it equitable on part of of the non-believers to put idols in a worship-house constructed solely for the worship of ONE-GOD? Please
Regards

OOO

Holy War -the peaceful version- with reasons, arguments and peaceful dialogue

The News:

One will, perhaps, love to read the following:

“Holy War”: Is it Armageddon? with its ” Peaceful Version”! 1

“Holy War”: Is it Armegiddon / Armageddon? – with its “Peaceful Version”! 1 | paarsurrey (wordpress.com)

One will be taken aback to note that Armegiddon/Armageddon is nothing like as one would have imagined or known so far. It is not to be fought with any physical and destructive weaponry and or the lethal arsenal of the day. It is peaceful and in fact, I understand, it has already started and it is sown like a seed!

It was a debate between the Pauline-Christianity (represented by Mr. Abdullah Atham) and the Second Coming 1835-1908 , that took place in Urdu language and was published then by the name “Jang-e-Muqaddas” in 1893 ( 22 May 1893 to 5 June 1893) in the then British India and has been recently translated and published in English by the name “The Holy War”:

The Holy War — A DEBATE BETWEEN ISLAM & CHRISTIANITY — Jang-e-Muqaddas (alislam.org)

Right?

From: a peaceful Ahmadiyya Muslim

OOO  

These are the days of Armageddon – the final battle between good and evil –The peaceful Version! 3

Has Armageddon already started with the advent of Second Coming 1835-1908 ?– The peaceful Version! 2

Muhammad spread his religion and peace with the minimum human loss

Muhammad spread his religion and peace with the minimum human loss
Seeing the figures of human causalities in “the most murderous century ever” one must note here that Muhammad spread his religion and peace with the minimum human loss, if he and his followers would have not been attacked aggressively; there would have been no human loss.
Muhammad had no intention to capture any lands or to be a king.Right? Please

Regards

Discussion forum < www.religiousforums.com >, is my favorite discussion forum where I write posts and recommend others to discuss/debate on the religious issues.

One may like to click the posts # below to view, to comment and or to join discussion on the above topic, Started by me , or one may discuss the topic here in my blog.

#1 paarsurrey, Jan 8, 2017

 

 

“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son” :Prophecy is most suited on Muhammad

One may view, comment and join discussion on < www.religiousforums.com > under the topic <What do you think of the virgin birth of Jesus?>.

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/what-do-you-think-of-the-virgin-birth-of-jesus.176754/page-9#post-4286910

Post #174

Aupmanyav said: ↑
Well, for example, myself. My mother was a virgin when she married my father. Am I not born of a woman who was a virgin?

Paarsurrey wrote:↑
Well in that sense everybody is born of a virgin.
I agree with you.

paarsurrey said: ↑

Aupmanyav said: ↑
Well, for example, myself. My mother was a virgin when she married my father. Am I not born of a woman who was a virgin?

Paarsurrey wrote:↑
In ancient times in many cultures people used to have many wives; some of them they married for the first times i.e., they were virgins while other’s husband had died and they married such ladies, if they had children from such wives, these could not have been called from the virgins.

Paarsurrey wrote:

I further have to add.
Abdullah got married to a Aminah a virgin (not previously married to anybody). Muhammad was born of Abullah and Aminah.
The prophecy most suitably is fulfilled on Muhammad than anybody else, I think.
What does one think? Please.

Regards

Note: One may like to refer to Isaiah 7:14 http://biblehub.com/isaiah/7-14.htm

Why Ahmadi peaceful Muslim?

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paarsurrey on May 21, 2014 at 4:03 pm said:
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.

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AtheistEnglishmanon May 21, 2014 at 4:32 pm said:
Why do you feel the need to insert ‘peaceful’ in the description?

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paarsurrey on May 21, 2014 at 7:49 pm said:

We Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslims have the diversity the world needs.

We do not eliminate or exterminate or abhor any human beings. We do not say that Jesus’ or Krishna’s or Buddha’s or Zoroaster’s or Moses’ ways were wrong. We respect them all and say that the above persons were truthful persons and they must have received messages from Allah. But their people did not and could not secure the Message which was the same for every race and region.

The obscure Word with them could be rejuvenated and reconstructed to the original Message but with a lot of effort, as the Renovators would do to an ancient building or monument.

While the same Creator rules the Universe now that ruled in the ancient times; He has mercifully re-sent the Message through Muhammad, respecting the ancient scriptures but encompassing the same in Quran in a compact manner. So the reality and diversity are not compromised but maintained in a graceful way- which is the need of the hour.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 as a truthful Successor of Muhammad is doing this work with peaceful discussion and dialogue.

Regards