Posts Tagged ‘church’

Jesus never erected any Church

May 13, 2015

Please feel free to view,comment and join discussion on< www.religiousforums.com > under the topic <Can someone explain the Trinity please . . .>.

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/can-someone-explain-the-trinity-please.145640/page-95#post-4286983

Post #1890

sojourner said↑
Mythical it may be, and that’s fine, since a myth is an illustration of truth.
But false? There’s nothing about the Trinity that is incongruent with what the church has believed about God since its beginning. And since theology is the province of the church, it’s the church that determines what God is or is not doctrinally.

Paarsurrey wrote:

That is not correct. Jesus did not establish any Church, so Church has no authority to invent creeds in the name of Jesus. Whenever Jesus went to pray he went to a Jewish temple.
Trinity is fallacious .

Paarsurrey wrote:

Please quote from the Gospels when Jesus and the his first disciples attended service in a Church together. Please mention the name of Church and its location exactly.

Regards

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“What is a True Christian?”

May 1, 2014

I wrote following post on the above topic.

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.ca/2014/04/what-is-true-christian.html#comment-1364125373
paarsurrey
@ Dan Wilkinson

For census purposes it is correct to register anybody who wants to register as a Christian should be done accordingly.
Otherwise those who do not believe in the core teachings of Jesus; they must not morally claim to be Christians. The core teachings of Jesus are as follows:

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Matthew 22:36-40

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22:36-40

The Christians; their 32000+ denominations; they don’t follow Jesus and the core teachings of Jesus; instead of following Jesus, they follow Paul.

Jesus did not believe in Trinity; he did not claim to be a literal and physical god or son of god; all these creeds were invented by Paul, Church and the scribes.

These creeds have got nothing to do with Jesus.

Thanks

Christians need to reform Christianity

April 23, 2014

I have written following comments on Richard Carrier’s “Freethought Blogs”.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/4973#comment-203764

paarsurrey says:
April 23, 2014 at 1:28 pm (awaiting moderation)

“The good thing is that Evangelical Christians tend to be very passionate people and want to believe in something. If they would only put aside the lies, omissions, and distortions promulgated by their own well-paid con-men for a moment and reexamine their worldview in light of what the actual philosophical, scientific, and historical evidence is today, then they, too, would find Christmas worth celebrating…as what it actually is: a once pagan and now secular holiday invented by human beings for their own enjoyment and good. Then they can maybe go one step further and exit their dangerous delusion, and stop hating people and voting to take away their rights or to perpetuate injustices against the disadvantaged, and instead start actually caring about their fellow human beings, and the truth, for a change. Wouldn’t that be a wonderful Christmas present for us all?” Unquote

I agree with you.

The Christians need to reform their religion.

They should disprove the mythical creed invented by Paul, scribes and the Church and follow Jesus and Mary in their true and core teachings and acts.

Atheism: leap in the dark

April 17, 2014

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/an-address-to-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-13706

paarsurrey says:
April 17, 2014 at 20:05

@ makagutu with love
You were born as Christian and everybody around you was a Christian. Yet for some good or bad reasons you became disgruntled with Christianity, Bible and Church; not necessarily with Jesus or Moses.

I think it was a blind and or unreasonable decision; in other words it was not a scientific decision.*

“Whenever I read the bible, I find it full of absurdities that I can’t ignore.”

So:

1. You never finished reading Bible from cover to cover; hence your knowledge of what got revealed on Moses and Jesus remained, sorry to describe it, as shallow.
2. It did not occur to you that the denomination in which you were in; might be wrong; hence you should make a comparative study of the denominations of Christianity to find the truthful denomination from them.
3. You generalized the bitter experience you had of your specific denomination; to other denominations and in haste jumped out of it altogether.

I think yours was a leap in the dark.

Wasn’t it?

Regards

* Systematic approach to collecting facts and applying logical decision making techniques, instead of generalizing from experience, intuition (guessing), or trial and error.
Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/scientific-decision-making.html#ixzz2zA7jRXHz

Jesus is most important; Bible written in Jesus absence when Jesus had gone to India

April 8, 2014

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

http://jerichobrisance.com/2014/04/02/snapthought-wrested-from-my-hands-by-god/comment-page-1/#comment-6746

paarsurrey says:
April 8, 2014 at :

@unkleE says:April 7, 2014
“I said the important question was not inerrancy (of NT Bible), but what we know about Jesus, and what we can reasonably believe. This is not a trivial question and there are certainly problems to be solved.” Unquote

I think I agree with unkleE that Jesus is more important than Bible; as it was not written by Jesus.

Bible was written in Jesus’ absence when he traveled to India with his mother Mary.

He did not know what Paul and the Church were doing in his absence.

Hence Jesus is most important.

Regards

Instead of changing themselves as per Jesus; Christians change Jesus according to their wishes

March 13, 2014

Please view Paarsurrey comments on the blog “Is there a God?” for your valuable opinion, even if you differ.

“Is there a God?”
“Welcome to atheists (and others)”
http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/#comment-8809

paarsurrey
MAR 13, 2014 @ 12:15:40

@MyGoatyBeard: MAR 11, 2014 @ 22:33:06, MAR 13, 2014 @ 07:13:29

In response to :[But Paarsurrey is happy to quote the verses from Matthew that he likes, but doesn’t respond to the other verses I mention in Matthew that speak of Jesus:-
1. being worshipped. . . . . . . .Matthew 15:25]

Paarsurrey says:

Christians should follow acts and deeds of Jesus; he introduced no new form of worship; he and his mother Mary never went to a Church; they used to go in the synagogues and followed what was done there. Jews worship none but Yahweh as told by Moses in the OT.

Christians of different denominations are used to changing the text of the Bible and they make it to suit to their beliefs:

Matthew 15:25

21Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
27“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
28Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
http://biblehub.com/niv/matthew/15.htm
21 aJesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of bTyre and bSidon.
22 And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, aSon of David; my daughter is cruelly bdemon-possessed.”
23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting1at us.”
24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to athe lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
25 But she came and abegan 1to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”
26 And He answered and said, “It is not 1good to take the children’sbread and throw it to the dogs.”
27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; 1but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”
28 Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, ayour faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed 1at once.

http://biblia.com/books/nasb95/Mt15.20

There is no mention of any worship in Matthew 15:25.

Instead of changing their beliefs and making them in conformity with the core teachings of Jesus and Moses and the prophets; they change Jesus and try to shape him as per their wishes.

Thanks

Sinful Paul invented the story of Jesus’ physical ascension to skies

March 7, 2014

Please view paarsurrey comments on the blog “Is there a God?” for your valuable opinion, even if you differ.

“Welcome to atheists (and others)”

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/#comment-8750

paarsurrey
MAR 07, 2014 @ 12:28:48
@ unkleE:MAR 05, 2014 @ 01:10:45

“In this post I outlined how I try to approach topics like this. First I look at the historical evidence as determined by the best secular scholars then I form my opinions. Let’s do that here.”
Why ignore Jesus’ clear words of his core teachings that he quoted from the OT Bible; and it is the same as told by Moses?

Jesus a human being son of Mary who did not claim to be a literal and physical god or son of god; yes there is historicity of such a person; but if one looks for a Jesus a literal/physical god or son of god; there is no historicity of such a person.

The sinful Paul who was a confirmed enemy of Jesus and his disciples; when he got sure that Jesus son of Mary a human being had not died on the Cross and after treatment in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea by the physician Nicodemus he had made good his escape and went out of Judea and the Roman Empire; Paul thought of a novel plan to take revenge from Jesus.
He exploited the sentiments of Jesus’ followers who remained behind whom Jesus had not informed of his plans as he had to move out secretly lest he is again arrested and persecuted.

Paul invented the story that Jesus had died on the Cross but resurrected from the dead and has ascended to skies and appointed Paul as his successor; thus on the one hand Paul invented a new religion in the name of “Christ” a misnomer called Christianity and on the other hand he avenged his animosity towards Jesus by killing Jesus’ core teachings; of course with the collaboration of the Church.

paarsurrey
MAR 07, 2014 @ 20:29:28
@MyGoatyBeard :MAR 07, 2014 @ 14:43:30

“Paarsurrey. I agree there is only one God and it is only him that we should worship. It is sinful to worship anybody else. There are not three Gods – so I agree with you in that.” Unquote

Thanks for your appreciation; in fact by this you agree with Jesus , Moses and all the prophets as confirmed by Jesus in his core teachings.

Regards

Attending worship places of different religions to enrich one’s experience

March 6, 2014

Paarsurrey at blog: “Confessions Of A YEC”

“First Time Back at Church for a Year”

http://confessionsofayec.wordpress.com/
http://confessionsofayec.wordpress.com/2013/11/13/first-time-back-at-church-for-a-year/#comment-1262

paarsurrey | March 6, 2014 at 16:44

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim. I have occasionally attended Christians Churches on invitation from my friends of different Christian denominations and later on my own. I would just sit and listen their activities very attentively but I kept sitting when they stood up (JWs) as a gesture for worshiping.

There is no harm in attending worship places of different religions (and non-religions) and their denominations; one could just attend and tell them beforehand that one won’t join the worship; this enriches one’s experience.

Jesus did not know it; blind–faith and wrong interpretation of the Christians made Jesus god and or son of god

March 5, 2014

Please view Paarsurrey’s comments on the following blog for your valuable opinion:

“Is there a God?”
“Welcome to atheists (and others)”

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/

paarsurrey
MAR 05, 2014 @ 21:55:04

@One Skeptic:MAR 04, 2014 @ 23:04:14
“Faith and interpretation. Not evidence and not fact.” Unquote

I think it would be more correct to say that it is blind –faith and wrong interpretation of the Christians that they following Paul and the Church and make Jesus a god or son of god against express core teachings of Jesus and Moses and the prophets of the OT. Jesus would love to worship the One-True-God and abhor anything against it.

Quran mentions it:

[4:172] O People of the Book, exceed not the limits in your religion, and say not of Allah anything but the truth. Verily, the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah and a fulfilment of His word which He sent down to Mary, and a mercy from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not ‘They are three.’ Desist, it will be better for you. Verily, Allah is the only One God. Far is it from His Holiness that He should have a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And sufficient is Allah as a Guardian.
[4:173] Surely, the Messiah will never disdain to be a servant of Allah, nor will the angels near unto God; and whoso disdains to worship Him and feels proud, He will gather them all to Himself.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=4&verse=172

Thanks

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/#comment-8743

paarsurrey
MAR 05, 2014 @ 22:05:27

@One Skeptic:MAR 05, 2014 @ 10:43:07

I agree with you.

The Catholic Encyclopedia mentions that the gospels were written by some anonymous scribes; and that these were named after the disciples of Jesus only to add credence for the public.

Matthew might have been unaware as to what has been written in his name by Paul and or the Church.

Thanks

“Exactly Who or What do We Really Worship?”

January 4, 2014

syzygyastro has started a hub on the above topic at HubPages which could be viewed at the following link:

http://syzygyastro.hubpages.com/hub/Exactly-Who-or-What-do-We-Really-Worship

Paarsurrey has contributed the following post on the topic:

paarsurrey wrote:
quoting from the hub/post:

“But as far as the texts of some religions are concerned, especially Judaism and Islam, the making of any image of anything is frowned upon to say the least.”

Moses forbade making any idols to worship:
Deuteronomy 5:8
8“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

http://biblehub.com/niv/deuteronomy/5.htm

Quran also mentions it at many places not to worship idols:
[29:17] And remember Abraham when he said to his people, ‘Worship Allah and fear Him. That is better for you if you understand.
[29:18] ‘You only worship idols beside Allah, and you forge a lie. Those whom you worship beside Allah have no power to provide sustenance for you. Then seek sustenance from Allah, and worship Him, and be grateful to Him. Unto Him will you be brought back.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.p

The concept of worship is to inculcate the attributes of the One-True-God by those who worship Him; the attributes have no physical form and making them physical does not help in any way.

yzygyastro wrote:

Today we have plenty of idols including others like powerful figures, rock stars, movie stars and the like. The overall time consuming activity of most people in the developed and developing world is money and there is a warning in the NT in regard to the worship of two masters. See Matthew 6: 24,25 and also Luke 16:13

Paarsurrey says:

Actually with Christianity it started as soon as they deviated from the real path of Jesus and the Christians started following the seed of the Anti-Christ I mean Paul and the Church- his associate; they carved Trinity out of the thin air ; and then idols and statues followed, very much against the elaborate teachings of Moses and Jesus.

Did Jesus make any statue or idol himself or ever instructed other to make one?