Posts Tagged ‘Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908’

Are nature and word both source of knowledge for man?

October 20, 2015

  • Nature (or science) is work of G-d and Word-Revealed/Quran or Recitation is the Word of G-d:

“In short, unless God Almighty affirms His existence through His Word, as He has manifested it through His work, the observation of the work alone does not afford complete satisfaction. For instance, if we are confronted by a room the door of which is bolted from inside, our immediate reaction would be that there is someone inside the room who has bolted the door from inside, inasmuch as it is apparently impossible to bolt a door from inside by some device employed for the purpose from the outside. But if, despite persistent calls from the outside over a period of years, no response becomes audible from inside, our supposition that there must be someone inside would have to be abandoned and we would be compelled to conclude that the door has been bolted from inside through some clever device. This is the situation in which those philosophers have placed themselves whose understanding is limited solely to the observation of the work of God. It is a great mistake to imagine that God is like a corpse interred in the earth whose recovery is the business of man. If God has only been discovered through human effort, it is vain to expect anything from Him. Indeed, God has, through eternity, called mankind to Himself by affirming: I am present. It would be a great impertinence to imagine that man has laid God under an obligation by discovering Him through his own effort, and that if there had been no philosophers He would have continued unknown.”

Philosophy of Teachings of Islam by Mirza Ghualm Ahmad : Page-86


Why Ahmadi peaceful Muslim?

May 21, 2014

paarsurrey on May 21, 2014 at 4:03 pm said:
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.

AtheistEnglishmanon May 21, 2014 at 4:32 pm said:
Why do you feel the need to insert ‘peaceful’ in the description?

paarsurrey on May 21, 2014 at 7:49 pm said:

We Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslims have the diversity the world needs.

We do not eliminate or exterminate or abhor any human beings. We do not say that Jesus’ or Krishna’s or Buddha’s or Zoroaster’s or Moses’ ways were wrong. We respect them all and say that the above persons were truthful persons and they must have received messages from Allah. But their people did not and could not secure the Message which was the same for every race and region.

The obscure Word with them could be rejuvenated and reconstructed to the original Message but with a lot of effort, as the Renovators would do to an ancient building or monument.

While the same Creator rules the Universe now that ruled in the ancient times; He has mercifully re-sent the Message through Muhammad, respecting the ancient scriptures but encompassing the same in Quran in a compact manner. So the reality and diversity are not compromised but maintained in a graceful way- which is the need of the hour.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 as a truthful Successor of Muhammad is doing this work with peaceful discussion and dialogue.


“Jesus in India”: Introducing the book

February 12, 2014

I made following comments on the blog “Leading Malaysian Neocon” of Scott Thong ; topic “The Locked Tomb Mystery – Whodunit?”.

paarsurrey Says:

February 13, 14 at 1:11 am

“Jesus in India”: Introducing the book

The main points of the book “Jesus in India” by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi are given below:

1. Jesus did not die on the Cross; he survived a cursed death on it.
2. Jesus was treated for his injuries inflicted on him on the Cross in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea.
3. When Jesus’ injuries on the Cross were healed to the extent he could make a journey; he came out of the tomb and he met his disciples secretly to tell them that he survived and is the same person with the same body he had before he was put on the Cross.
4. Then he went to Galilee; he did not and could not ascend to heavens; instead he secretly going up the hill went towards India; along with his mother Mary.
5. Jesus traveled to India in search of and to meet the ten lost tribes of house of Israel who were settled in different parts of India.
6. The book provided the root map of Jesus travel to India.
7. Jesus visited different part of India and ultimately settled in Kashmir, India.
8. He died a natural and physical death in India; and his grave is still found at Mohalla Khanyar, Srinagar, Kashmir, India.
9. Jesus is not to come again literally and physically and his symbolic Second Coming has been fulfilled in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908.
10. I give below the headings of the chapter of the book:

Chapter 1
• Evidence from the Gospels
Chapter 2
• Evidence from the Quran and Authentic traditions
Chapter 3
• Evidence derived from Medical Literature
• List of Books mentioning Marham-i-Isa (ointment of Jesus), and that the Ointment was Prepared for Jesus’ Wounds
Chapter 4
• Evidence from Historical Records
Section 1:
• Evidence from Islamic literature concerning Jesus’ journeys
• Probable Route Map of Jesus’ Journey to India
Section 2:
• Evidence from Buddhist Records
Section 3:
• Evidence from Historical Writings which Show that Jesus’ Journey to the Punjab and Neighbouring Territories was Inevitable
• List of 24 Tribes of Abdalees

The book is freely available online:

It is a small book of about 122 pages.


I don’t need to convince one; my life is my life

January 5, 2014

I re-blogged a post titled “Meaning In Life, 3 Jan 2014”; the link of which is given below:

Then a discussion ensued; which I give below for the viewers of my Paarsurrey blog; the viewers are at liberty to join the discussion on the above link or here in this blog. Comments are welcome even if one differs with me.

January 3rd, 2014

Reblogged this on paarsurrey and commented:

Paarsurrey says:

One may like to read the following from Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908- the Promised Messiah:

The Object of Man’s Life and the Means of its Attainment

Different people, being short-sighted and lacking high resolve, appoint different purposes for their lives and limit themselves to worldly goals and ambitions. But the purpose that God Almighty has appointed for man in His Holy Word is as follows:
And I have not created the Jinn and the men but that they may worship Me. (The Holy Quran, adh-Dhariyat 51:57)
That is, I have created men and jinn so that they may know Me and worship Me. Thus the true purpose of man’s life is the worship of God, His understanding and complete devotion to Him.
It is obvious that man is not in a position to appoint the purpose of his own life, for he does not come into the world of his own accord, nor will he depart there from of his own will. He is a creature and the One Who created him and invested him better and higher faculties than those of all other animals, has also appointed a purpose for his life.
Whether anyone penetrates to it or not, the purpose of man’s creation without a doubt is the worship and the understanding of God and complete devotion to Him.

“The Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam” Pages 164-165

myatheistlife wrote:
January 4th, 2014

In the post I describe what I would find suitable as evidence for a god. Until you can prove that your god exists there is little to no reason to listen to what you or your holy book says outside of the fact that Muslims seem to have a strange habit of blowing themselves up in the company of innocents. I’m not sure how that is supposed to fit your meaning for life, but I won’t accept that your particular version of a god fairy story is true till you can meet the standard for evidence I’ve listed in my other post. Good luck with that.

January 4th, 2014

I don’t accept your standards. Why should one?

January 4th, 2014

Well, you don’t have to unless you want to convince myself and others that your stories about a god are actually truths and not just the lies they seem to be.

paarsurrey wrote:
January 5th, 2014

I don’t need to convince you.

I have no claim to any piety or scholarship; I am an ordinary man in the street in search of Truth wherever I can find it.

I would like rather you to convince me that there is no God; with your evidences and proofs, if any.

I very naturally believe in the One-True-God Allah Yahweh, like I very naturally believe in my father and mother.

Crazy Christianity: Seventh-Day Adventist

June 12, 2013

Paarsurrey says:

Jesus did not die on the Cross; he was put on the Cross but delivered from it in near-dead , nevertheless alive. He was treated, in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea for the injuries inflicted on him on the Cross when he was recovered to travel he migrated to India.

Jesus’  Second Coming ,therefore, was not to be physical and literal; it was to be  symbolic. This has already taken place in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908, the Promised Messiah.

The prophecy of Daniel has ,therefore, been fulfilled.


Common Sense

What it’s all about:

The Seventh Day Adventist church arose out of a movement that took place back in the 1840’s led by a man named William Miller. Miller was a Baptist who self-converted to Adventist after his thorough reading of the Bible led him to discover prophecies of the coming of Christ. He focused mainly on a passage in the book of Daniel:

“Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, ‘How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?’ And he said to me, ‘For two thousand three hundred days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed.’” Daniel 8:13-14

Daniel 8:14 became his obsession (I added verse 13 for a little context) as he tediously calculated (via the very…

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“The (religious) textbook wars”

February 27, 2010

Paarsurrey wrote:
February 26, 2010 7:27 AM

Hi friends

The Religion should be a part of the education of children in Schools; so that they have an idea of Ethics, Morals and the Spiritual progress. There is no harm if the point of view of the Seculars or Humanists or the Atheists is also accommodated in the text books.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

YEAL9 wrote:
February 26, 2010 10:30 AM

More movements (and another Messiah) in a stream of Islamic sects;

“Ahmadiyya (äh mə dē’ yə), a contemporary messianic movement founded (1899) by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1839-1908), b. Qadiyan, the Punjab. His Barahin-i Ahmadiyya, which he began to publish in 1880, was well received by his Islamic community. In 1889, he announced that he had received a divine revelation authorizing him to accept the baya, the allegiance of the faithful; he later also declared himself the Mahdi and the promised Messiah (masih) of Islam (1891).

His doctrine, incorporating Indian, Sufi, Islamic, and Western elements, attempted to revitalize Islam in the face of the British raj, Protestant Christianity, and resurgent Hinduism.

After his death, his followers elected Mawlana Nur ad-Din as his successor. Nur ad-Din died in 1914, and the community split into two branches. The majority remained in Qadiyan and recognized Ghulam Ahmad as prophet (nabi). The basic belief held by the Qadiyani community was and is that it is the sole embodiment of “True Islam.”

The founder’s son, Hadhrat Mirza Bashir ad-Din Mahmud Ahmad (1889-1965), was chosen as Khalifatul-Masih [caliph of the Messiah] by the Qadiyani branch, known today as the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam (jamaat-i ahmadiyya). His half-century of leadership shaped the movement, operating after 1947 out of the city of Rabwah (which they founded and gave a Qur’anically inspired name) in Pakistan and administering a network of schools and hospitals.

His successors have been chosen from among Ghulam Ahmad’s descendants; the leader of the movement (since 2003) is Mirza Masroor Ahmad (b. 1950).

The other branch, less willing to distinguish itself from mainstream Islam, recognized Ghulam Ahmad as a reformer (mujaddid) and established what came to be known as the ahmadiyya anjuman ishaat-i Islam movement in Lahore, Pakistan, also known as the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement. Both branches engage in energetic missionary activity in Nigeria, Kenya, Indonesia, and the Indian subcontinent.”


Paarsurrey wrote:
February 27, 2010 8:21 AM

Hi friends

Our friend YEAL9 has provided good information about Ahmadiyya. Ahmadiyya is an enlightened movement not only to revitalize Islam but all the Revealed Religions of the world. Since it accepts reason, rationality and revelation as consistent tools of man for life; hence it bridges the gaps between Atheists and Theists also and in this way works for bringing about understanding and peace in the world. Ahmadiyya don’t see any real wedge between Science and Religion; the former being the Work and the later being the Word of the same Creator- God Allah YHWH.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

“How old was Jesus Christ when he died?”

February 11, 2010

Paarsurrey edits/revises the answer.

We do not know for sure the exact age of Jesus when He was crucified, but He was probably 33 years old.

Here is the argument. Jesus was baptized which means he was not a “Christian”. But the reason He was baptized was to “fulfill all righteousness,” (Matt. 3:15); Jesus never mentioned that reason, Matthew was not innocent, so could be wrong.

He had to fulfill the legal requirements for entering into the priesthood after the order of Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4; Heb. 5:8-10; 6:20); that would have made Jesus a Jew; not a “Christian god”.

Priests offered sacrifice to God on behalf of the people. Jesus became a sacrifice for our sin (1 Pet. 2:24; 2 Cor. 5:21); if we would have sinned ; what our sins had to do with Jesus’ sacrifice or to any priest.

To be consecrated as a priest, Jesus had to be: 1) washed with water – baptism – (Lev. 8:6; Exodus 29:4, Matt. 3:16). 2) Anointed with oil – the Holy Spirit – (Lev. 8:12; Exodus 29:7; Matt. 3:16).

Jesus was a Christian god; if he was innocent he need do any such thing. Additionally, He may have needed to be 30 years old, Num. 4:3, “from thirty years and upward, even to fifty years old, all who enter the service to do the work in the tent of meeting.” Therefore we can conclude that Jesus began His earthly ministry at the age of 30. Since it went on for 3 1/2 years before Jesus was crucified, it is safe to say that He was 33 at the time of His death Jesus (the man) was crucified at the age of 33.

Jesus was though put on Cross, yet he was delivered in near-dead position.

• I’d say he was 24 at best.

• There are some Muslim traditions which say Jesus died a natural and peaceful death in Sirinagar, Kashmir, India, at the age of 120/125 years.

• Scholars estimate he was born 2-7 BCE and died 26-36 BCE. The Scholar are human beings; they should revise their estimates.
• Keep in mind, 2,000 years ago the average life-expectancy was less than 20; even then people could live well beyond an old age.

he was not 33 years old they don’t know exactly what was the age and it don’t say that in the bible

Since the Bible is specific about time, Christ would have been 33 1/2 years old when He was crucified, or 33 yrs., 6 mos.

Bible is not a sound source of history. The scriptures tell us that He died on Passover, so by using simple math, we can count BACKWARDS 6 mos. from Passover (roughly the middle of March) and determine His date of birth also, roughly the middle of September…Well, the scriptures could be wrong, the are supposed to be written by faulty human beings.

This last entry is pretty accurate; but remember: he also had an earthly existence for some 33 & a half years and also a heavenly preexistence before he came to live as a man on earth, and starting out life as a human baby. He is referred to in the Holy Scriptures as: “the first born of creation, and the son of God.”It is wrong to say Jesus was first born; physically. All things were created through him after he came to be. “I came to be a master worker along side my Father…..” Given that understanding, Jesus would have to be many millions of years, and probably billions of years old. No wonder he was so wise!

Meditating on these facts as we know them from the bible will help us understand the meaning of him being a mighty god, but not almighty God; god Jesus never was and he never claimed to be as such literally.

He is the son of God, an actual direct creation of God; Jesus was not a son of God; also, this is only possible if Mary was a wife of God; since that was not the case; Jesus could not be son of God literally. Therefore he is not God. He is the image of God, figuratively yes, as we would say a son is the image of his father. Yet a son is not in reality the father. Therefore the Father, Son, And Holy Spirit are one in purpose, but not three parts of one entity.

We don’t have to use this terminology cooked by Paul; it is a faulty terminology The Father, or God, the Creator, was most commonly known by the name of Jehovah. Some refer to him from the Hebrew as YHWH, and think it is wrong to utter God’s name aloud. What is wrong is ‘to utter God’s name in vain.’ We are to say His name with reverence and deep respect. Jesus model prayer referred to or known as ‘the Lord’s prayer’ says: “Let your name be sanctified,” or “Hallowed be thy name.”

I have made some changes; for more accuracy the editors should read the book “Jesus in India” by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908.

I thank wiki.answers, for giving an opportunity to me to revise the article.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.


faith is neither a leap in the dark nor a blind-faith

January 30, 2010

“Substance and Strong Dreams…”

Pmespeak wrote:

Faith is a substance of hopeful Prayer and powerful Dreams. Faith is not a blind leap into the dark; believing in something just for the sake of believing; or for the sake of being positively hopeful.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend pmespeak

I agree with you. Productive faith is neither a leap in the dark nor a blind-faith. It is the consistent and steadfast path/way of the Prophets Messengers of the Creator- God Allah YHWH who were rewarded by Him by His Word of Revelation. In fact these righteous persons were the cream of humanity whose constant search for truth and prayers did bore fruits. The future of humanity and peace indeed rests on following these persons with confidence. Such persons came in all the nations and the regions of the world. We see that if Judea and Arabian Peninsula were enlightened with the revelation of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad; the Persia was illuminated by Zoroaster and the Cyrus the Great; China was guided by Buddha, Confucius and India by Krishna and now lately by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908- the Promised Messiah, the Second Coming of Jesus and the Imam Mahdi.

We should be guided by all these truthful persons.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.


Portions or parts of OT and or NT in meaning could be accepted as the Word of God and truthful

January 9, 2010

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friends

I agree with our friend ditchu when he says to sch “You obviously think the word of God is dead and thus he speaks no more to man.”

Nobody could put restrictions on the Creator- God Allah YHWH, not to speak with the human beings anymore.

Presently the Creator- God Allah YHWH has spoken to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 and God has appointed him the Second Coming and the Promised Messiah, as a follower of Muhammad.The Bible- the OT, originally contained Word of God or a portion of it in meanings and similarly the NT may contain portion or parts of the Word of God in meaning only not in its original form.

These portions or parts of the Word of God in OT and or NT, if they agree with Quran, then they are correct otherwise incorrect.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Muhammad prophesized about advent of the Promised Messiah (Issa, Ibne ‎Maryam, ‎Jesus Christ, Imam Mahdi) from amongst his true followers

July 10, 2009

‎17. Moooo Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:04 am ‎

Hmmm, can you show us that this Ghulam (Ahmad 1835-1908, the Promised Messiah, ‎the Imam Mahdi) fellow was really a successor of Muhammad? Show us the verses that ‎talk about messiah.‎
‎“So Islam would be number one religion this way in the West (including America), I ‎believe.”

22. paarsurrey Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

In my opinion, almost all denominations of Muslims believe that Imam Mahdi or the ‎Promised Messiah would be a follower successor of Muhammad.‎
Muhammad had himself prophesized about advent of the Promised Messiah (Issa, Ibne ‎Maryam, Jesus Christ, Imam Mahdi) from amongst his true followers.

I quote here from Muhammad:

‎1. [~~Yushaku man aasha minkum ianyulka eisabna maryama imamun mahduyyun , ‎hakamun iadualun yakserus saleba wa yaktulul khinzera]

One who would be alive (at that time), he would meet Issa (JesusYeshua) s/o Maryam ‎‎(MaryMerium) in the position of ImamMahdi (DivineGuided), a truthful judge (among ‎faiths/religions); he would break the Cross (with arguments) and kill the swine. (Masnad ‎Ahmad 156/2)

‎2. ~~Abu Hurairah narrated from the Prophet Muhammad SAW that he said”
I swear by Him in whose hands rests my life or death that you would definitely witness ‎advent of the Ibne Maryam (Son of Mary); a truthful judge (among faiths/religions), he ‎would break the Cross (with arguments) and kill the swine and suspend the war (for ‎religious conversion).

‎(Bukhari Kitabul Anbeya, Bab Nazul-e Essa Ibne Maryam)
All human beings are but a family; love for all, hatred for none


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim