Posts Tagged ‘Bible’

NT Bible consist of glimpses of Word of G-d only

June 30, 2015

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Paarsurrey wrote:

I agree with you. Jesus did not write NT Bible, he also did not dictate it to anybody, he also did not authorize anybody to write anything on his behalf.

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Gospel of Thomas : closer to the teachings of Christ than the NT

June 3, 2015

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Paarsurrey wrote:

I agree with you.


The act of Abraham sacrificing his son Ishmael never happened in literal and real terms

May 11, 2014


May 11, 2014 at 7:40 pm
@MAKAGUTU says:May 11, 2014 at 7:02 pm
“Paarsurrey, in the bible, it is recorded that Abe was asked by god to sacrifice his son. By your comment can we say that this retelling of the narrative is not factual or what is your stand?” Unquote

Bible is neither authored by Abraham nor by Moses. Its different books have been authored by anonymous narrators and the scribes. It is not the original Word of God in the original language revealed.

Dreams and visions are always or most often interpret-able.

It only meant that Abraham and his offspring shall have to face hardships in the path of God (Allah Yahweh Tao) and would have to devout their lives; in service of the humanity for its ethical, moral and spiritual uplift.

Abraham and Ishmael were sure about it from their experience with the One-True-God; they knew that the He won’t let them accomplish an unreasonable act; and would bring out reasonable solution of the matter.

And the act of Abraham sacrificing his son Ishmael never happened in literal and real terms.

Abraham and his progeny did devote their lives to the cause of religion and that is how it took place in real terms; and that is what one should focus on.

The matter of as to how to interpret such dreams and visions was settled for all times.


Bible not inerrant : not authored by Jesus:

May 4, 2014

May 4th, 2014 at 9:16 am
@john zande : May 4th, 2014 at 6:44 am
“The bible claims inerrancy, it claims to be 100% true and believable,”

I don’t think Bible has anywhere claimed inerrancy, its claims to be 100% true that are applicable to the whole Bible except the last paragraph of “Revelation”:

Revelation 22:18-19
[18] For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book. [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book.

NT Bible is a conglomerate of books; not written by a single author; hence, if at all, this should be applicable to this book Revelation only not to the whole Bible.


Atheism: leap in the dark

April 17, 2014

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paarsurrey says:
April 17, 2014 at 20:05

@ makagutu with love
You were born as Christian and everybody around you was a Christian. Yet for some good or bad reasons you became disgruntled with Christianity, Bible and Church; not necessarily with Jesus or Moses.

I think it was a blind and or unreasonable decision; in other words it was not a scientific decision.*

“Whenever I read the bible, I find it full of absurdities that I can’t ignore.”


1. You never finished reading Bible from cover to cover; hence your knowledge of what got revealed on Moses and Jesus remained, sorry to describe it, as shallow.
2. It did not occur to you that the denomination in which you were in; might be wrong; hence you should make a comparative study of the denominations of Christianity to find the truthful denomination from them.
3. You generalized the bitter experience you had of your specific denomination; to other denominations and in haste jumped out of it altogether.

I think yours was a leap in the dark.

Wasn’t it?


* Systematic approach to collecting facts and applying logical decision making techniques, instead of generalizing from experience, intuition (guessing), or trial and error.
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Jesus is most important; Bible written in Jesus absence when Jesus had gone to India

April 8, 2014

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paarsurrey says:
April 8, 2014 at :

@unkleE says:April 7, 2014
“I said the important question was not inerrancy (of NT Bible), but what we know about Jesus, and what we can reasonably believe. This is not a trivial question and there are certainly problems to be solved.” Unquote

I think I agree with unkleE that Jesus is more important than Bible; as it was not written by Jesus.

Bible was written in Jesus’ absence when he traveled to India with his mother Mary.

He did not know what Paul and the Church were doing in his absence.

Hence Jesus is most important.


Archaeologists don’t have list of persons existed in the world since inception

April 6, 2014

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April 6, 2014 at 5:22 pm

@JOHN ZANDE says:April 5, 2014 at 5:55 pm

“You seemed to imply archaeology has supported the Qur’an, whereas it clearly demolishes all claims made in the Pentateuch. What are you talking about? What has it supported? Are you, or are you not conceding Abraham and Moses were not historical characters, as modern archaeology has concluded? Please name these archaeologists you’re talking about and cite what papers have been published on their findings.” Unquote

Archaeology excavates sites; cities and or places; in this case they excavated sites mentioned in the Bible (not mentioned in Quran); if they don’t find any such cities or places , then they imply from it that the persons mentioned in the Bible also might have not existed.

It is not that they excavated the sites to necessarily find names of Abraham or Moses written on a rock.

And definitely they don’t have a list of persons that existed in the world from the date of inception to verity from it names of Abraham or Moses.

I don’t know why you cannot get it.

Do you get it? Please

April 6, 2014 at 5:37 pm

@JOHN ZANDE says:April 4, 2014 at 5:11 pm
“I think you’re granting far too much leeway here to people’s beliefs. The simple fact is the Pentateuch is the only source for this god: the god of Abraham and Moses. Take the Pentateuch away and there is NO Abrahamic god. I’m not at all interested in peoples different (later) interpretations of what this god is. I dismiss it at the Pentateuch. Period.” Unquote

I think you have little information about Quran/Islam/Muhammad; we Muslim have nothing to do with “Pentateuch”.

Muhammad received Revelation directly from the One-True-God; our belief is not based on what you describe as “Pentateuch”.

I don’t know as to why you don’t get it? Please

April 6, 2014 at 10:23 pm

I think it is you who mentioned of some consensus of the archaeologists.
Didn’t you?

I always take Quran the only 100% accurate source of knowledge; none else.


Peripheral issues with Bible should be interpreted within the core teachings of Jesus

April 3, 2014

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paarsurrey says:
April 3, 2014 at :

Hello everybody!

Most Issues with the Bible will get diluted; if instead of the peripheral issues one concentrates on the core teachings of Moses and Jesus:

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Matthew 22:36-40

All the peripheral issues should be interpreted within the scope of the above core teachings of Jesus or else rejected forthwith.

This is a way of reconciliation between the Atheists who were previously Christians; the crowbar need not be applied.

Does this help?

paarsurrey says:
April 3, 2014 at :

@Jericho Brisance

“it is possible to bring down a structure by removing the right component, the right foundational brick. The brick in this case was removed”.

What was the foundational brick of Christianity in your case? Please


In search of truth

April 1, 2014

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paarsurrey | April 1, 2014 at 2:53 pm

@ anaivethinker
“. . I would have to try to make evolution and religion work together. . .
. . .
. . .
Do you have a similar experience? Do you know someone with a similar experience? Feel free to comment or question about anything.” Unquote

The observation was correct that evolution/science work together; but the decision was incorrect to become Atheist/Agnostic/Skeptic.

If Bible/Christianity was wrong on occasions; it does not prove Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism automatically correct. Truth of Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism must be proved correct on its own merit.

Truth must be proved of every religions or non-religion on some common criteria.

So your search for truth is incomplete. You went from one extreme to another extreme.

Thanks and regards

Quote archaeological site mentioned in Quran proved wrong with “consensus”: Moses and Abraham

March 27, 2014

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March 27, 2014 at 11:11 pm

@JOHN ZANDE : March 27, 2014 at 9:57 pm :@ N℮ÜҐ☼N☮☂℮Ṧ :March 27, 2014 at 10:19 pm

“That’s the absolute archaeological consensus, Paar”
“And the historical/archaeological findings about Moses and Abraham”

One should not be in the habit of making generalization; at least before making any bold claims one should verify the specific reference one intends to make; wisdom requires it.

This only proves the veracity and tenacity of Islam/Quran/Muhammad.

They only checked archaeological sites mentioned in Bible; so their “consensus” is only valid for Bible, Christians, Jews; it has absolutely no bearing on Islam/Quran/Muhammad.

Please quote an archaeological site mentioned in Quran that has proved to be wrong with “consensus”.

Quran clearly mentions that the Jews and Christian scholars had been involved into tampering with their scriptures; now this has been proved right, even the Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics would witness to it.

Nothing personal, please


March 28, 2014 at 10:50 am

@JOHN ZANDE :March 27, 2014 at 11:48 pm

Their findings are with reference to Bible; it is not with reference to Quran. Muhammad received Revelation of Quran from the One-True-God directly; its truth has shone like daylight.

March 28, 2014 at 11:52 am
@JOHN ZANDE :March 28, 2014 at 11:36 am
“Does the Qur’an, or does it not, talk about Abraham and Moses as if they were real people?Yes or No?” Unquote

I mentioned that Muhammad received Revelation of Quran from the One-True-God directly ; it has got nothing to do with the OT Bible or NT Bible.

Narratives of Bible had been proved wrong which were being searched into from the sites excavated mentioned in the Bible.

Narratives of Quran are still intact.

I don’t know as to why one cannot get it.