Ali Sina- dazzled by the light of Quran

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2010/01/17/paul%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cchristianity%E2%80%9D-is-rejected-in-the-west-as-it-in-the-east/#comment-854

sch Says:

Hi Carol
It seems like some Muslims see the light and leave their religion. Mr. Sina being air marked as a failure to their beliefs. However, it is true that Christians tend to appease other movemnts and look look at christianity as a curse. Christians should rise and worship their God and be proud of what they believe. We have lost our Identity and there is a great need to reckon it back or we might just end up confused like the rest.
I love Jesus as mentioned in the Bible only.

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friend sch

I think there are some persons who are dazzled by the light; they like living in the darkness. Ali Sina is one such person; we are happy that in his confusion he left Islam. The Creator- God Allah YHWH promises that he would give us many people in place of such people. It is evident from his writings that these people have no sound arguments against Quran/Islam/Muhammad and hence they resort to derision and foul language.

In their hearts they are afraid of progress of Islam taking over the world.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Paul’s “Christianity” is rejected in the West (as it is in the East)

‘Islamic terrorism is the fruit of Islam: Ali Sina’.

carol says:

i an enlightened on the evils of Islam by dr ali sina’s comments. I heartily agree with him and its time the silly westerners who rejected Christianity rediscover thier religion of peace before they are wiped out by the religion of violence. I never did like Obama and i think its shameful how he bows to the Saudi King. He should have asked him why there are no churches allowed to be built in Saudi Arabian but there are thousands of minarets allowed in Christian America. Good for you Mr Sina. Keep up the good work

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friends carol

Ali Sina is a confused person; he left Islam but never accepted Christianity. He says he is an Atheist; if he had become Atheist in its true sense, then he should have been as against Christianity as he is against Islam. Ali Sina might have some complaint against Shiaism; but he never knew anything about Islam/Quran/Muhammad in reality. Ali Sina is completing somebody else’s agenda; he is not on his own,

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

JWs and the Mormons claim that they are the only true Christians

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4701&p=89761#p89761
Trinity – a mistake of the Catholics Protestants

Mr Preet wrote:

paars, what do you mean by “Catholic Protestants”?

Manfred wrote:

Yes, that did make me laugh when I saw that…

Maybe is means somebody sort halfway between their respective positions, like Anglicans, perhaps? The children of a Christian mixed marriage?

If he simply meant both all Catholics and Protestants, why did he not say “Christians” instead?

Also, Mr Preet, I don’t think paarsurrey is remotely interested in the concept of trinity, he just posted his stuff here to make fun of it. He neither understands what is means nor wants to know. But somehow making strawman cases against it makes him feel good I think. Why, I have no idea. Why does he not take a really hard look at his “Jesus taken off the cross and emigrated to India” belief instead? Now that is so unbelievably silly, it really does not deserve consideration by a sane human being.

manfred wrote:

If he simply meant both all Catholics and Protestants, why did he not say “Christians” instead?

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend manfred

The JWs and the Mormons claim that they are the only true Christians; hence I mention every follower of Paul (not of Jesus definitely) by the denomination he belongs to.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

The world has become like a close-net village

The world has become like a close-net village
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4253&p=82713#p82713

Hello Paar, I understand your love of Jesus, Mary and Moses. However, about Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster and Cyrus, are you sure you are not violating the Quranic injunction?

Buddha particularly was an agnostic or a Deist who never really discussed about divinity and supernatural in his teaching. Maybe your answer will be that these people were originally prophets but their teachings interpolated over time period. Right?

How about Confucius? Do you love him too?

Humanity is but one family.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friends.

Since Quran is a Word of Revelation from the All-Wise, the Creator- God Allah YHWH; He sent Messenger Prophets to all the lands of the world to guide the humanity to His path. Now that the world has become like a close-net village; all these Messengers Prophets have been honored by Muhammad. The truthful Revelations, deeds/acts of all these Messengers Prophets have been secured in Quran; and their role has been set by God to introduce their nations and lead them to Muhammad – the Seal of Messengers Prophets; Muhammad authenticates their truthfulness, under lasting principles mentioned in Quran.

I love Jesus, Mary, Moses, Moses’ mother, Krishna, Buddha, Lao Tse , Confucius, Socrates, Zoroaster, Cyrus etc great leaders of the world in Ethics, Morals and Spirituality; I love them all; this is the teaching of Quran/Islam/Muhammad as explained by the Promised Messiah 1835-1908. I think it has got a lot of common sense and wisdom; my Atheist and Agnostic friends would admit.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Jesus and Mary would introduce and lead them to Muhammad

Jesus and Mary would introduce and lead them to Muhammad

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4944&p=82705#p82705

Ram wrote:

I don’t understand what you mean by you love Jesus and Mary? This is a meaningless expression. Nobody can love any entity which has been dead for thousands of years.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friends

The Atheists Agnostics and Christian posters have collaborated in this forum only to use hate words against Muhammad; who died 1400 years ago; never had they thought as to how meaningless it is for them to use such hate words against a person who died 1400 years ago.

If I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran; it is meaningful for the world. If their eyes are dazzled to the light of Muhammad and they are unable to understand Muhammad; his teachings and his deeds due to their biased approach, I would like they love Jesus and Mary as a first stage; and when their eyes are used to see, Jesus and Mary would introduced them and lead them to the great man Muhammad.

Perhaps they understand!

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Revelation is the most natural and most authentic source of knowledge for humanity

Revelation is the most natural and most authentic source for humanity

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3552&p=82561#p82561

Hi friends

Revelation is the most natural and most authentic source of Knowledge for humanity.

Professor Keith Moore, one of the world’s prominent scientists of anatomy and embryology. University of Toronto, Canada It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur’an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or ‘Allah’, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of Allah.

Keith L. Moore

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia

Keith L. Moore is a professor emeritus in the division of anatomy (department of surgery), former Chair of anatomy from 1974 to 1984[1] and associate dean for Basic Medical Sciences (Faculty of Medicine) at the University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada. He has also worked at the King Abdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Moreover, he is a founding member of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists (AACA). He was President of the AACA between 1989 and 1991[2]. He is most known for his textbooks on the subjects of anatomy and human embryology.

He has co-written (with professor Arthur F. Dalley II) Clinically Oriented Anatomy, which is the most popular English-language anatomy textbook in the world, used by scientists, doctors, physiotherapists and students worldwide. The book is especially popular because of its ‘blue boxes’ – passages of text on blue background that relate the classical anatomy to real-world concepts in the diagnosis and treatment of human patients. The book has been translated into multiple languages. He also co-wrote (with professor Anne M. R. Agur) Essential Clinical Anatomy.

Awards

The American Association of Clinical Anatomists awarded Dr. Moore with their Honored Member Award (in 1994).[3][4] In 2007, the American Association of Anatomists awarded him with the first Henry Gray/Elsevier Distinguished Educator Award[5].

Embryology and the Qur’an

Moore has written on “references to embryology in the Qur’an”, for instance, in an article for The Journal of the Islamic Medical Association, Vol. 18, Jan-June 1986, pp. 15-16.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_L._Moore
I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

Thanks

Admonishing/Chastisement: is within “kind” treatment of spouses

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1156&p=82364#p82364

sword_of_truth wrote:
Quran 4.34 famously instructs the husband to beat his wife as a third step in getting her to obey him if she is involved in nushoos or ill-conduct.

What qualifies as nushoos? Depends on who you ask.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friends

I give the verses:

[4:35] Men are guardians over women because Allah has made some of them excel others, and because they (men) spend of their wealth. So virtuous women are those who are obedient, and guard the secrets of their husbands with Allah’s protection. And as for those on whose part you fear disobedience, admonish them and leave them alone in their beds, and chastise them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Surely, Allah is High, Great.
[4:36] And if you fear a breach between them, then appoint an arbiter from his folk and an orbiter from her folk. If they (the arbiters) desire reconciliation, Allah will effect it between them. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware.
[4:37] And worship Allah and associate naught with Him, and show kindness to parents, and to kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and to the neighbour that is a kinsman and the neighbour that is a stranger, and the companion by your side, and the wayfarer, and those whom your right hands possess. Surely, Allah loves not the proud and the boastful,
[4:38] Who are niggardly and enjoin people to be niggardly, and conceal that which Allah has given them of His bounty. And We have prepared for the disbelievers an humiliating punishment,
[4:39] And for those who spend their wealth to be seen of men, and believe not in Allah nor the Last Day. And whoso has Satan for his companion, let him remember that an evil companion is he.
[4:40] And what harm would have befallen them, if they had believed in Allah and the Last Day and spent out of what Allah has given them? And Allah knows them full well.
[4:41] Surely, Allah wrongs not any one even by the weight of an atom. And if there be a good deed, He multiplies it and gives from Himself a great reward.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … 4&verse=34

Quran favors men and women living in families and respecting the bond of love they have mutually bound themselves with; Quran does not favor non-family single living and or the ascetic life as does the Christianity. Quran’s approach as mentioned above is pro-family and pro-life while that of the Atheists Agnostics and their collaborators Christians here is not that.

So, what is bad if one admonishes are chastises the spouse and saves the family structure for good of the family and children and the society.

The West has forgotten the Role Model of Jesus and Mary; neither Jesus had any girlfriends nor did Mary have any boyfriends. Quran wants that the West should adopt Mary as a Role Model of Women, instead of the Celebrity Culture; though popular but is unnatural.

If a woman has any similar grievance against her husband; she could go to the court.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Quran/Islam/Muhammad- open minded, nonracial and unbiased

Quran/Islam/Muhammad- open minded, nonracial and unbiased
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4920&p=82054#p82054

Manfred wrote:

The Quran is quite clear that Islamic paradise is a Muslim only “place” (for lack of a better description).

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend Manfred

I don’t agree with you.

You have certainly misunderstood Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

[2:63] Surely, the Believers, and the Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians — whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds — shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.
[2:64] And remember the time when We took a covenant from you and raised high above you the Mount, saying: ‘Hold fast that which We have given you and bear in mind what is therein, that you may be saved.’
[2:65] Then you turned back thereafter; and had it not been for Allah’s grace towards you and His mercy, you would surely have been of the losers.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … 2&verse=56

The above verse very clearly mentions that those persons who have the truthful beliefs and those who do good deeds suited to the situation and time would go to heaven. One who is a Muslim in name only and does not have good beliefs and or good deeds has no claim to heaven, it is purely the grace and the mercy of the Creator-God Allah YHWH, nobody else has any monopoly on the heaven; no intercession, nothing of this sort.

Please amend your concept accordingly. Yours is a very narrow and stringent concept; nothing to do with Quran/Islam/Muhammad, who are very open minded, nonracial and unbiased.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Jesus no literal Son of God; OT does not support it

Jesus no literal Son of God; OT does not support it
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4701&p=81965#p81965

Hi friends

I submit more from the OT to establish my view point that Jesus was not literally son of god:

Psalms 81:
1 A psalm for Asaph. God hath stood in the congregation of gods: and being in the midst of them he judgeth gods. 2 How long will you judge unjustly: and accept the persons of the wicked? 3 Judge for the needy and fatherless: do justice to the humble and the poor. 4 Rescue the poor; and deliver the needy out of the hand of the sinner. 5 They have not known nor understood: they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth shall be moved.
6 I have said: You are gods and all of you the sons of the most High. 7 But you like men shall die: and shall fall like one of the princes. 8 Arise, O God, judge thou the earth: for thou shalt inherit among all the nations.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/21081.htm

So, the according to the usage of the Bible; the Clergy and the Priests are also the Son of God; nothing special for Jesus.
I think that our Atheists Agnostics would support our principled stance; out of their free will.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Jesus was not Son of God: Usage of Old Testament

Jesus was not Son of God: Usage of Old Testament
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4701&p=81467#p81467

Hi friends

The Christians say that Jesus was told in Torah and the Gospels as son of god hence he was son of God, literally.
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This is wrong and is against the usage of Torah and the Gospel as in them these words have not been used for Jesus exclusively but these words have been used hundreds of time for other men also and the Christians don’t admit hem as son of god. Jesus was mentioned a s son of god so it has been mentioned for others

Examples:

Exodus 4:22.
And thou shalt say to him: Thus saith the Lord: Israel is my son, my firstborn. Israel is my son, my firstborn.
Psalms 88:21-26
21 I have found David my servant: with my holy oil I have anointed him. 22 For my hand shall help him: and my arm shall strengthen him. 23 The enemy shall have no advantage over him: nor the son of iniquity have power to hurt him. 24 And I will cut down his enemies before his face; and them that hate him I will put to flight. 25 And my truth and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.
26 And I will set his hand in the sea; and his right hand in the rivers. 27 He shall cry out to me: Thou art my father: my God, and the support of my salvation. 28 And I will make him my firstborn, high above the kings of the earth.
So, in the usage of Bible all righteous and loved – ones of God have been mentioned as son of god; nothing special for Jesus.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim