Posts Tagged ‘Second Coming’

Jesus’ Return

September 2, 2022

Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

#59 Thread on ” Jesus’ Return “

Paarsurrey said:

None of the Pauline-Christianity people of the 45000+ denominations including the JWs and the Latter Day Saints could quote from Jesus that he would come back as a conquering King, as Jesus never claimed it, one, therefore, gets to know from it, please. Right?

Jesus’ “Second Coming”, since he died naturally (neither died on the Cross nor resurrected from the dead, I understand) is not to be in the physical and material form as those who die never return to this world in physical and material form, please. Right?

Instead of that somebody born of a father and mother was to come in Jesus’ character and spiritual status to clear Jesus from all the accusations that have been made against Jesus by the Hellenist-Paul, his associates and the Pauline-Church with reasonable arguments, it transpires, please. Right?

And Jesus’ himself explained it, didn’t he please. Right?
Paarsurrey added further:

” And Jesus’ himself explained it, as to what is meant by Second Coming of a person, didn’t he please. Right?”

John the Baptist was asked by a delegation of priests (present tense) “Art thou Elias”, he replied “I am not”:

John 1:21 “Then who are you?” they inquired. “Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.”

Matthew 11:14 -15:
14And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15He who has ears, let him hear.…
Matthew 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.

Didn’t Jesus declare that John-the-Baptist is in spirit/character/deeds is Elias/Elijah, please? Right?

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 is therefore Second in Coming of Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah in spirit/character/deeds , it transpires, please. Right?

Jesus did not die on the Cross, isn’t it therefore an accusation on Jesus (by the Pauline-Christianity)-that Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah is to come physically from the heaven and will rule as a worldly king, one must say, please? Right?

Coming of The Messiah – The world is waiting for saviour

Post #111

“Breaking the Cross”- means rectifying wrong creeds of Christianity with sound arguments

March 4, 2021

Please view paarsurrey’s post #158 on RF.

Jesus: The Misunderstood Messiah

paarsurrey wrote :vide Post #158 : < (Please click on the post # to get right into the discussion to join in , please)

Jesus s/o Mary is the Messiah alright but the one elevated by sinful Paul:

  1. as “son of god”
  2. and then god
  3. and then god in flesh

is , I underhand, for sure a mythical Messiah and not the real one, and this wrong concept of Pauline-Christianity has become a breeding ground of Atheism (and its Western Sects), please. Right?
It is for this that Jesus’ and or Messiah’s Second Coming 1835-1908 has taken place to rectify all such wrong concepts of Cross with the “breaking of the Cross”, which is the basis of all Pauline-Christianity creeds, I figure, please. Right?



One will, perhaps, love to read the following:

“Holy War”: Is it Armageddon? with its ” Peaceful Version”! 1

“Holy War”: Is it Armegiddon / Armageddon? – with its “Peaceful Version”! 1 | paarsurrey (

One will be taken aback to note that Armegiddon/Armageddon is nothing like as one would have imagined or known so far. It is not to be fought with any physical and destructive weaponry and or the lethal arsenal of the day. It is peaceful and in fact, I understand, it has already started and it is sown like a seed!

It was a debate between the Pauline-Christianity (represented by Mr. Abdullah Atham) and the Second Coming 1835-1908 , that took place in Urdu language and was published then by the name “Jang-e-Muqaddas” in 1893 ( 22 May 1893 to 5 June 1893) in the then British India and has been recently translated and published in English by the name “The Holy War”:

The Holy War — A DEBATE BETWEEN ISLAM & CHRISTIANITY — Jang-e-Muqaddas (


From: a peaceful Ahmadiyya Muslim


These are the days of Armageddon – the final battle between good and evil –The peaceful Version! 3 

Has Armageddon already started with the advent of Second Coming 1835-1908 ?– The peaceful Version! 2

Jesus to establish no new Church in Second Coming

October 27, 2017

Thread: “The Second Coming – Why would there be a need for a church ”
Forum: Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Christianity and Apologetics

Post 27: 

[Replying to post 1 by p————e]

Four times in the New Testament it is recorded that Jesus would return during his generation. But he didn’t.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Bible got it wrong for obvious reasons.
Jesus’ Second Coming was to rectify the wrong teachings that Paul, his associates and the Church had spread unauthorized from Jesus. 
Jesus’ Second Coming has already taken place in the spiritual form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908- the Promised Messiah, Imam Mahdi and End-Time Reformer of all religions. He has categorically stated that:

~no Jesus is to come from the skies as Jesus had not died on the Cross and died a natural death out of Judea .
~the concept of Trinity spread by the Church is wrong.
~Jesus was neither a God nor a Son of God in the literal and physical terms.
~there is no god by the name the Holy Spirit.
~There is only ONE God and none else.
~Jesus was a human being only and a truthful prophet/messenger of God.
~Jesus did not atone anybody’s sins, it is ONE God who forgives sins of the persons who ask forgiveness from Him.
~Jesus neither established any new Church in his First Coming nor he is to establish a new church in his Second Coming.

This is in brief, please.
For more details one my like to read here

In preparation to welcome Jesus’ Second Coming

March 15, 2014

I have written a post on the following blog of uncleE; the viewers could add their valuable comments here even if they differ.

“Is there a God?”
“Welcome to atheists (and others)”

MAR 15, 2014 @ 12:33:13

In fact a movement for purification of Bible (NT) is needed.

1. What Jesus actually said and quoted by Bible should be jotted down.
2. Jesus’ core teachings should be distinctively noted as his firm and unambiguous teachings; and it should form as touchstone of his sayings
3. All such sayings which are dubious and not as firm as the core teachings should be interpreted under the firm meanings of the core teachings; else separated as weak narrations or fabricated in his name and not having told by Jesus.
4. For the contradictory verses; those which are against reason or common sense and not in line with the core teachings should be discarded.
5. All such teachings which in essence have no origin in the OT should be discarded as Jesus was a Jew and his advent was for the revival of the teachings of Moses.

This way the Christians could come out from the mess that was started by Paul and associated by the Church.

These points have been inferred from the core teachings of Jesus as already mentioned by me in this thread.

Yet; this is to be done by the Christians themselves while they get prepared to join in and to welcome Jesus’ Second Coming which has in fact already taken place.

Thanks and regards

Jesus: three misconceptions allayed about him

June 23, 2013

First: Quran does not mention Jesus’ face was changed with Judas; it is a very wrong conception. Judas’ name is mentioned nowhere in Quran.

Second: Jesus neither died on Cross nor he was risen to heaven or sky from the Cross.
Quran mentions:
[23:51] And We made the son of Mary and his mother a Sign, and gave them shelter on an elevated land of green valleys and springs of running water.

This verse hints towards Kashmir; where Jesus Yeshua Isa spent his later life and he died there and is buried there.

Third: Quran nowhere mentions about physical descent of Jesus. One who is placed in heaven does not come back to this world. Symbolic or metaphoric Second Coming of him has taken place in the form of the Promised Messiah 1835-1908. This is understandable and reasonable.

One could  view following documentaries in this connection:

  1. BBC Documentary


 2.     Jesus in Kashmir (India)-Documentary by Indian Govt.


A Prophecy of Muhammad (saw) that got Literally Fulfilled

May 20, 2013

The Prophecy

Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) among many of his prophecies has mentioned, in one Hadith  a prophecy which many of us have seen fulfilled in our life time. More than 1400 years ago, our beloved master, Muhammad (peace be upon him) made a prophecy in the following words[1]:

Abdullah bin Amar (RA) relates that the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said “Surely things will happen to my people as happened earlier to Israelites, they will resemble each other like one shoe in a pair resembles the other to the extent that if anyone among the Israelites has openly committed adultery to his mother there will be some who will do this in my Ummah as well, verily the Israelites were divided into 72 sections but my people will be divided into 73 sections, all of them will be in the fire except one.” The companions asked, ‘Who are they O Messenger of Allah,’ Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “They are those who will be like me and my companions.

In this hadith there are quite a few things to be noted. Firstly, it mentions the resemblance of Muslim Ummah with the Israelites (i.e. Jews). In another hadith [2] this resemblance is mentioned in the words that as among the Jews a prophet was raised in every century among Muslims a reformer will be raised and as among the Jews at the end of the chain of prophets a Messiah was raised a Messiah will be raised among Muslims. Among Jews there were 12 tribes each divided into six sects making a total of 72 sects at the time when the Messiah (i.e. Jesus, AS) was sent to Israelites (A full list of the Jewish sects at the time of Jesus, peace be upon him, is included in Appendix I). After the appearance of the Messiah among Jewish people the list of sects increased considerably. So while talking about 73 divisions among Muslims and taking into account the resemblances of Muslim Ummah to the Jewish people mentioned in both of the above tradition, it appears that these two ahadith relate to the time of the Promised Messiah (AS).

Literal Fulfilment of Prophecy: Existence of 73 Sections.

Having mentioned the resemblance of his Ummah with Jews, and division of the Ummah into 73 sections, Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) mentions that all will be in fire except one. Meaning 72 sects will be in fire while one will be safe. When asked who the safe ones will be, Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) replied “They are those who will be like me and my companions” indicating that remaining 72 will resemble Israelites while only one will resemble him and his companions. Having said that we have to understand that there ought to be a way to separate one Jama’at from 72. Thus there should be some method by which two sets of sections among Muslim Ummah will be formed and in one set there will be only one Jama’at (to which Holy Prophet, peace be upon him, referred to as resembling him and his companions) while the other set will contain 72 sects which will resemble Jews. To go any further we have to establish here three things. Firstly that there were at one time 73 sections of Muslims. Secondly they formed two sets on containing one Jama’at and the other one containing 72 sects. Thirdly the set containing one Jama’at consisted of the followers of a claimant of Messiahship. The third condition has to be fulfilled because, as I have established above, we are referring to the time of the Promised Messiah (AS), only the followers of Messiah can form a Jama’at which resembles Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) and his companions (RA). To establish that the above mentioned three conditions were fulfilled, I shall present here my translation of a portion of an editorial published in Urdu in Pakistani daily newspaper “Nawai Waqt” [5].

“One of the special importance of this decision has been that on it the consensus of Ummah has been in substantially correct manner. Throughout the history of Islam, such an overwhelming complete consensus has never been reached on any important topic. Other than the big religious scholars, holders of Shar’a, all the political leaders and political leaders of each group have agreed on this consensus. Other than these, all sufia karam, aarifeen Billah, the leaders of Tassawaf and practices had complete agreement. Excluding Qadianis all the rest of 72 sects which are considered to be of Muslims, agreed and are happy on the solution of this affair. Among the leaders of the nation and a’maideen, there does not appear to be any group which does not have a joyous attitude towards this decision. Nation should take a notice of this.”

And that was not the only newspaper which testified the number to be 72 following is another testimony of an English newspaper published from U.K. [6].

“By a constitutional amendment the National Assembly has stripped half a million members of the Ahmadiyya community of their religious status as Moslems. The excommunication of such a large number claiming to be Moslems by a political institution is a unique event in the 1400 years of the history of Islam. The burden of taking the measure fell on the National Assembly because Islam rejects priesthood and the Moslems, although divided into 72 sects, do not have a church or a pope. Religious edicts handed down by muftis or religious scholars are not binding on any individual or body of Moslems.”

Clearly, according to these newspapers there existed 73 sections in Islam, one Jama’at-e-Ahmadiyya and the rest of the 72 (A full list of the sects in Islam is included in Appendix II). The rest of the 72 sects were unanimous and happy and formed a party (a set) excluding the one (the other set) from Islam. Although they all had fatwas declaring one another to be kafirs, when it came to the question of Ahmadi Muslims they were all united so that there remains no doubt as to the identity of 72 and one making a total of 73. I have already established that Jews had 72 sects at the time of Messiah, so this hadith would be reflecting the time of Messiah among Muslim Ummah, which all Muslims today believe is also the time of the appearance of the Mahdi.

Second Coming | The Promised Messiah will face trials, persecutions and aspersions

May 19, 2013

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi has illustrated in the book written by him titled “How to be Free from Sin” , a facsimile of page 8 of the book is provided here, one may read further by clicking the link <>.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad says:

Please click on the page for a readable view.

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Jesus was ignorant of the eschatology of the so called present “Christianity”

May 7, 2010

methodus wrote:

I could not tell where Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s commentary ended and where your opinions began. that said, it is clear that he either knows nothing about Christian eschatology or was intentionally lying to his audience.

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friend methodus

It is all from Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908- the Promised Messiah- Imam Mahdi – The Second Coming of Jesus. In his first Coming Jesus never knew anything about Christian eschatology as the present “Christianity” was never founded by Jesus but by clever Paul and the Church. Jesus was a Jew and a follower of the teachings of Moses. It is therefore obvious that Jesus was neither aware of the eschatology of the so called “Christians” in his first coming; nor he needs it in the Second Coming. He is guided by the Word of Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH and so he gives guidance to others very truthfully.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Jesus never died a cursed death on Cross; he survived

January 30, 2010

Brendalee wrote:

Please point me to the contemporary documents from Jesus’ time, that tell the story of Jesus going off to India so I may read it for myself

I love Isa and Miriam as mentioned in Bible

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Brendalee

Please read the book “Jesus in India” written by the Second Coming, the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 by accessing Ahmadiyya Official Website> library> books> Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. It is available online; please google for it.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.


Quran/Islam will spread to the corners of the Earth

November 9, 2009

Apostate wrote:

We will see Demise of Islam in our own lifetime

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friends

As per the system of successor-ship mentioned in Quran, the above is not going to happen, for sure:

[24:52] The response of the believers, when they are called to Allah and His Messenger in order that he may judge between them, is only that they say: ‘We hear and we obey.’ And it is they who will prosper.
[24:53] And whoso obeys Allah and His Messenger, and fears Allah, and takes Him as a shield for protection, it is they who will be successful.
[24:54] And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that, if thou command them, they will surely go forth. Say, ‘Swear not; what is required is actual obedience in what is right. Surely, Allah is well aware of what you do.’
[24:55] Say, ‘Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger.’ But if you turn away, then upon him is his burden, and upon you is your burden. And if you obey him, you will be rightly guided. And the messenger is not responsible but for the plain delivery of the Message.

[24:56] Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them; and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them; and that He will surely give them in exchange security and peace after their fear: They will worship Me, and they will not associate anything with Me. Then whoso is ungrateful after that, they will be the rebellious.

[24:57] And observe Prayer and give the Zakat and obey the Messenger, that you may be shown mercy.
[24:58] Think not that those who disbelieve can frustrate Our plan in the earth; their abode is Hell; and it is indeed an evil resort.
[24:59] O ye who believe! let those whom your right hands possess, and those of you who have not attained to puberty, ask leave of you at three times before coming into your presence: before the morning Prayer, and when you take off your clothes at noon in summer, and after the night Prayer. These are three times of privacy for you. At times other than these there is no blame on you or on them, for they have to move about waiting upon you, some of you attending upon others. Thus does Allah make plain to you the Signs; for Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.
[24:60] And when the children among you attain to puberty, they too should ask permission, even as those mentioned before them asked permission. Thus does Allah make plain to you His commandments; and Allah is All-Knowing, Wise. … 4&verse=50

With the advent of the Promised Messiah 1835-1908; the dark age of Islam is ended and Islam has taken a new turn as prophesized by Muhammad himself.

Islam would spread to the corners of the Earth as revealed on the Second Coming 1835-1908 very peacefully and with bright arguments convincing everybody on this planet to the fold of Islam.

We are not worried about the apostates; they would also be welcome home.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.


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