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Muhammad smashed no idols physically. Did he?

March 17, 2017

What is wrong with smashing the idols?

I participated in the discussion on the above topic in my most cherished discussion forum Religious Forums.

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/what-is-wrong-with-smashing-the-idols.194938/

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sc….. said:
Prophet Luqmaan once said to his son “O my son, do not set up any idols beside God; idolatry is a gross injustice.”

“O my son, do not set up any idols beside God; idolatry is a gross injustice.”
The verse does not speak of demolishing the idols. Is it? Please
Regards

#177 paarsurrey commented:

“O my son, do not set up any idols beside God; idolatry is a gross injustice.”
The better point is that one concentrates on the reasons/arguments given in the above verse (any many others) namely doing “gross injustice by believing in idolatry”. Please
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OOO

SR…..said:

#179 paarsurrey, 

“fundamental human right”

Muhammad cared for all the humans rights rather he was the champion of the human rights. We follow Muhammad, not the politically motivated Terrorists of any time and place. Please
Regards

OOO

Note: 1

Search term: Who owned Kaaba in the time of Muhammad?

The Meccans did not own the Kaaba exclusively . The ownership of the Kaaba was hereditary to the heirs of Abraham and Ishmael who built this house of worship and they were strong believers in One God. 

The keys are in the hands of one family

At the time of the Prophet , each aspect to do with the rites of Hajj was in the hands of different sub-groups of the Quraish. Every one of these would eventually lose control of their guardianship of a particular rite except one. On the conquest of Makkah, the Prophet was given the keys to the Kaaba and instead of keeping it in his own possession; he returned them back to the Osman ibn Talha ® of the Bani Shaiba family. They had been the traditional key keepers of the Kaaba for centuries; and the Prophet confirmed them in that role till the end of time by these words

“Take it, O Bani Talha, eternally up to the Day of Resurrection, and it will not be taken from you unless by an unjust, oppressive tyrant.”

Whether Caliph, Sultan or King – the most powerful men in the world have all had to bow to the words of the Prophet

Note:2

“It may be noted here that the idols belonged to Abraham’s own family. Otherwise it was not right and proper for him to break other people’s idols.”

https://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=1701&region=E1&CR=EN,E2&CR=EN,E2

OOO

#180 paarsurrey 

That is one of the focal points. The idolators must answer, if they please.
Anybody, please
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OOO

#195 paarsurrey

There is no such teaching in Quran. Please
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OOO

#312 paarsurrey, 

“He left the temple”
Did this happen in a temple? Please quote the relevant verse of Quran?
Regards

OOO

#313 paarsurrey, 

I give the event from Wikipedia:
According to Genesis Rabbah 38.13 R. Hiyya, a first generation Jewish sage, tells the following story:

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Abraham cast into the fire
Terah was an idol manufacturer who once went away and left Abraham in charge of the store. A man walked in and wished to buy an idol. Abraham asked him how old he was and the man responded “fifty years old.” Abraham then said, “You are fifty years old and would worship a day old statue!” At this point the man left ashamed.

Later, a woman walked in to the store and wanted to make an offering to the idols. So Abraham took a stick, smashed the idols and placed the stick in the hand of the largest idol. When Terah returned he asked Abraham what happened to all the idols. Abraham told him that a woman came in to make an offering to the idols. Then the idols argued about which one should eat the offering first. Then the largest idol took the stick and smashed the other idols.

Terah responded by saying that they are only statues and have no knowledge. Whereupon Abraham responded by saying that you deny their knowledge, yet you worship them! At which point Terah took Abraham to Nimrod.

Nimrod proclaims to Abraham that we should worship fire. Abraham responds that water puts out fire. So Nimrod declares they worship water. Abraham responds that clouds hold water. So Nimrod declares they worship clouds. Abraham responds that wind pushes clouds. So Nimrod declares they worship wind. Abraham responds that people withstand wind.

Nimrod becomes angry with Abraham and declares that Abraham shall be cast into the fire, and if Abraham is correct that there is a real God, that God will save him. Then Abraham is cast into the fire and is saved by God.
Abraham and the Idol Shop – Wikipedia
Regards

OOO

#320 paarsurrey, 

“That is not religious doctrine as I understand the concept.”

I agree with one. There is no such teaching in Quran. Other religions are respected in Quran and by Muhammad. Please
Regards

OOO

#328 paarsurrey, 

As I had stated earlier in a post, the event did not occur in a temple, it occurred in a shop (among many shops there) where idols were made and sold. The very people who made idols with their hands could amend or undo them, without any objection from others.
So, there was no desecration of any temple or the people in a temple.
While at the shop, Abraham started giving reasonable and very brilliant arguments without any anguish or any indignation and with wisdom. Right? Please
Regards

OOO

#331 paarsurrey, Jan 30, 2017

The idols distract one’s attention from the real Godhead, so it serves no purpose. Please
Did the idols ever say that

  • they perform an important role between the humans and the God,
  • and or (Supreme)God had assigned such role to them
  • or that (Supreme)God abhors direct interaction with the righteous human
  • and as such inanimates will perform an intermediary role between the righteous and the (Supreme)God?

There is nothing like that. Right? Please
Regards

OOO

#333 paarsurrey,

Abraham gave suchlike reasonable and rational arguments to the clients of the shop to the people who came to purchase the idols as mentioned in the Genesis Rabbah, I repeat here again, one might have missed it:

Abraham and the Idol Shop
appears in Genesis Rabbah chapter 38 and is a biblical commentary on the early life of Abraham. The commentary explains what happened to Abraham when he was a young boy working in his father’s idol shop. The story has been used as a way to discuss monotheism and faith in general.
According to Genesis Rabbah 38.13 R. Hiyya, a first generation Jewish sage, tells the following story:

Terah was an idol manufacturer who once went away and left Abraham in charge of the store. (1)A man walked in and wished to buy an idol. Abraham asked him how old he was and the man responded “fifty years old.” Abraham then said, “You are fifty years old and would worship a day old statue!” At this point the man left ashamed.

(2)Later, a woman walked in to the store and wanted to make an offering to the idols. So Abraham took a stick, smashed the idols and placed the stick in the hand of the largest idol.
(3)When Terah returned he asked Abraham what happened to all the idols. Abraham told him that a woman came in to make an offering to the idols. Then the idols argued about which one should eat the offering first. Then the largest idol took the stick and smashed the other idols.

(4)Terah responded by saying that they are only statues and have no knowledge. Whereupon Abraham responded by saying that you deny their knowledge, yet you worship them! At which point Terah took Abraham to Nimrod.

Nimrod proclaims to Abraham that we should worship fire. Abraham responds that water puts out fire. So Nimrod declares they worship water. Abraham responds that clouds hold water. So Nimrod declares they worship clouds. Abraham responds that wind pushes clouds. So Nimrod declares they worship wind. Abraham responds that people withstand wind.

Nimrod becomes angry with Abraham and declares that Abraham shall be cast into the fire, and if Abraham is correct that there is a real God, that God will save him. Then Abraham is cast into the fire and is saved by God.
Abraham and the Idol Shop – Wikipedia
Please see the above (some four) arguments together with the demonstration done by Abraham. It was never done in a temple but in a manufacturer’s shop. One may like to ask the respected Judaism people in the forum about the rationality of Abraham.
Nothing was done by Abraham that was against the humanity. Rather. what was done to Abraham was sheer against humanity, a human being was set to fire alive . Right? Please
Anybody, please
Regards

OOO

#417 paarsurrey, 

Coming to the topic, please
What is wrong with smashing the idols?

The statues that Abraham broke, to demonstrate an argument, were not yet sold for worship, neither for the private worship nor for the worship in a temple.
Regards

OOO

#424 paarsurrey,

There is no idol in Mecca now, all the idols were removed by the Meccan non-believers toward the end of Muhammad’s life.
The Meccans were from the line of Abraham through his elder son Ishmael. Abraham built this House of Worship of ONE-God, later the Meccans out of superstition put idols in it wrongly. When their superstition ended, they removed these idols and restored it to its original form or brilliant status. OK? Please
Regards

OOO

#523 paarsurrey, 

It is put there only as a mark for denoting end of a circle completed by a Muslim.
Regards

OOO

#528 paarsurrey, 

Did I ever express any anger here? G-d bestowed life to every human being with his grace and he has given one freedom to live one’s life as one wants in this world, the accountability will be done by Him in the hereafter. I don’t find any reason to deny it and be angry. Please live as one pleases.
Regards

OOO

#532 paarsurrey, 

“But if these don’t belong to you, then you have no rights to damaging other people’s properties and no rights in damaging public properties; you are breaking the law.”

I agree with one. Please
Regards

OOO

#534 paarsurrey, 

Please paraphrase colored in magenta. I don’t get one exactly.
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OOO

#536 paarsurrey 

What is wrong with smashing the idols?

One may like to read post #1 in another thread, it is connected to this thread.
Please
Regards

OOO

#589 paarsurrey, 

I didn’t get one exactly. Please
Regard

OOO

#592 paarsurrey, 

Could Muhammad do something against the Quranic Revelation? Please
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OOO

#594paarsurrey, Today at 11:07 AM

One’s source as one mentioned was based on history of the time of Muhammad. When was the first history book written narrating the event ? Please
Regards

OOO

 

What is wrong with smashing the idols?

Is it equitable on part of of the non-believers to put idols in a worship-house constructed solely for the worship of ONE-GOD? Please
Regards

OOO

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Abram and Abraham (Ibrahim) are two different characters

May 27, 2015

Please view and comment on my posts at <www.religiousforums.com> <Thread : Abram>. One may like to join the discussion by clicking the post # below.

Post #39

Paarsurrey wrote:

Abram and Abraham (or Ibrahim) are two different characters.

The Jewish narrators/scribes/clergy had copycatted the story of Abram.
One would like to read the following:

Anyone who has done an ounce of research into the whole Camels issue, already knows that Mesopotamia had domesticated camels long before the Egyptians or anyone else, yet that is not the point! The fact is that evidence clearly indicates that Camels were not domesticated in Egypt until around 1000 BCE and in the Gen, narrative we have the Pharoah giving Abram Camels in return for the prostitution of Abram’s wife/sister! This according to all of the leading authorities in the field of biblical and secular Archaeology is an anachronism! In particular, see the work of prof. Finkelstien, Tel Aviv University and Prof. Ze’ev Herzog also of the Tel Aviv University. Even the Conservative Christian Biblical Archaeologist, William F. Albright came to this conclusion. This “new discovery” demonstrates nothing that has not already been known in the past, yet it does not overturn the consensus of Biblical and Achaeological Scholarship at present, which is; the reference to camels is an anachronism (fiction). When evidence comes to light which contradicts the present view, I will be the first to examine it and if it holds weight, I will say, Yes, camels were domesticated prior to the end of the 2nd millenium BCE.

Feb 9, 2012 Post #12 by michaelsherlock
The Genesis Fraud Part 1 | ReligiousForums.com

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Judaism: land grabbing in the name of Jacob (aka Israel) or Abraham

July 31, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/166233-judaism-land-grabbing-name-jacob-aka.html#post3863588

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Paarsurrey wrote:

Judaism: land grabbing in the name of Jacob (aka Israel) or Abraham

Are Jews/Judaism people doing it exactly?

Your thoughts, please

Regards

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3863513-post2.html

Paarsurrey wrote:

Abraham was a righteous person.

He was chosen by G-d. He was assigned some area for his ministry by G-d. He never took it that that land was allotted to him as a estate to rule or to occupy it.

When his wife Sarah died he purchased land in Hebron from the Hittites to bury his wife Sarah; which was only located within Canaan. If Canaan was allotted to him by G-d or to his descendants; then he should have no need to buy the piece of land for burying his wife.

That clearly show that Abraham was not a land grabber (nor Isaac nor Jacob) and he knew what was actually meant by G-d by saying that G-d has given him Canaan or his descendants;it was for spiritual reformation; not as an estate.

The corrupt narrators/scribes/clergy whose real business is land-grabbing made it up as if that land has been allotted by G-d to Abraham for ruling and occupying as an estate to displace the people who were lawfully already living there.

Regards

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3863516-post3.html

Paarsurrey wrote:

Genesis – Chapter 23:17-20

17. And so the field of Ephron which was in Machpelah, facing Mamre, was established (as Abraham’s possession). [This included] the field and the cave that was in it, and all the trees that were in the field, which were within its entire border around.
18. [It was] to Abraham as a possession before the eyes of the sons of Heth, in the presence of all who had come within the gate of his city.
19. And afterwards, Abraham buried Sarah his wife in the cave of the field of Machpelah, facing Mamre, which is Hebron, in the land of Canaan.
20. And the field and the cave within it were established to Abraham as burial property, [purchased] from the sons of Heth.

Genesis – Chapter 23 (Parshah Chayei Sarah) – Tanakh Online – Torah – Bible
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3863588-post5.html

Hay85 wrote:

well…God loves all the people of the world. The concept of “a chosen people” is devilish.
By the way the old testament is full of anti-Christian things. How can it be considered believable?

http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8218

Is Egyptian Abram a different person than Abraham – the patriarch?

July 17, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3844539-post48.html

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ingledsva

There is no proof that this has anything to do with the Biblical Abram story, and even if it did, it wouldn’t make the story true.

The Abram story is far earlier (supposedly 2000 BCE or earlier,) then this Egyptian King’s conquests.

The far later Tanakh writers would have know about “traditions,” and “stories,” such as a field called the Field of Abram, – and added them.

The list is places King Shoshenq I raided around 925 BCE.

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Paarsurrey wrote:

Please let us know more about the Egyptian Abram with references if any.
Is he a different person than Abraham of Genesis or Jewish Torah?

Thanks and regards

The act of Abraham sacrificing his son Ishmael never happened in literal and real terms

May 11, 2014

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/05/08/christian-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-15325

PAARSURREY says:

May 11, 2014 at 7:40 pm
@MAKAGUTU says:May 11, 2014 at 7:02 pm
“Paarsurrey, in the bible, it is recorded that Abe was asked by god to sacrifice his son. By your comment can we say that this retelling of the narrative is not factual or what is your stand?” Unquote

Bible is neither authored by Abraham nor by Moses. Its different books have been authored by anonymous narrators and the scribes. It is not the original Word of God in the original language revealed.

Dreams and visions are always or most often interpret-able.

It only meant that Abraham and his offspring shall have to face hardships in the path of God (Allah Yahweh Tao) and would have to devout their lives; in service of the humanity for its ethical, moral and spiritual uplift.

Abraham and Ishmael were sure about it from their experience with the One-True-God; they knew that the He won’t let them accomplish an unreasonable act; and would bring out reasonable solution of the matter.

And the act of Abraham sacrificing his son Ishmael never happened in literal and real terms.

Abraham and his progeny did devote their lives to the cause of religion and that is how it took place in real terms; and that is what one should focus on.

The matter of as to how to interpret such dreams and visions was settled for all times.

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Archaeologists don’t have list of persons existed in the world since inception

April 6, 2014

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.
http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/yahwehs-dreadful-power-problem-3/comment-page-1/#comment-13846

PAARSURREY says:
April 6, 2014 at 5:22 pm

@JOHN ZANDE says:April 5, 2014 at 5:55 pm

“You seemed to imply archaeology has supported the Qur’an, whereas it clearly demolishes all claims made in the Pentateuch. What are you talking about? What has it supported? Are you, or are you not conceding Abraham and Moses were not historical characters, as modern archaeology has concluded? Please name these archaeologists you’re talking about and cite what papers have been published on their findings.” Unquote

Archaeology excavates sites; cities and or places; in this case they excavated sites mentioned in the Bible (not mentioned in Quran); if they don’t find any such cities or places , then they imply from it that the persons mentioned in the Bible also might have not existed.

It is not that they excavated the sites to necessarily find names of Abraham or Moses written on a rock.

And definitely they don’t have a list of persons that existed in the world from the date of inception to verity from it names of Abraham or Moses.

I don’t know why you cannot get it.

Do you get it? Please

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/yahwehs-dreadful-power-problem-3/comment-page-1/#comment-13849

PAARSURREY says:
April 6, 2014 at 5:37 pm

@JOHN ZANDE says:April 4, 2014 at 5:11 pm
“I think you’re granting far too much leeway here to people’s beliefs. The simple fact is the Pentateuch is the only source for this god: the god of Abraham and Moses. Take the Pentateuch away and there is NO Abrahamic god. I’m not at all interested in peoples different (later) interpretations of what this god is. I dismiss it at the Pentateuch. Period.” Unquote

I think you have little information about Quran/Islam/Muhammad; we Muslim have nothing to do with “Pentateuch”.

Muhammad received Revelation directly from the One-True-God; our belief is not based on what you describe as “Pentateuch”.

I don’t know as to why you don’t get it? Please

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/yahwehs-dreadful-power-problem-3/comment-page-1/#comment-13854

PAARSURREY says:
April 6, 2014 at 10:23 pm

I think it is you who mentioned of some consensus of the archaeologists.
Didn’t you?

I always take Quran the only 100% accurate source of knowledge; none else.

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Quote archaeological site mentioned in Quran proved wrong with “consensus”: Moses and Abraham

March 27, 2014

The viewers of this blog are encouraged to access the following link to know the context of the dialogue and then form their own opinion independently and freely:

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/a-reason-to-believe/comment-page-1/#comment-13605

PAARSURREY says:
March 27, 2014 at 11:11 pm

@JOHN ZANDE : March 27, 2014 at 9:57 pm :@ N℮ÜҐ☼N☮☂℮Ṧ :March 27, 2014 at 10:19 pm

“That’s the absolute archaeological consensus, Paar”
“And the historical/archaeological findings about Moses and Abraham”

One should not be in the habit of making generalization; at least before making any bold claims one should verify the specific reference one intends to make; wisdom requires it.

This only proves the veracity and tenacity of Islam/Quran/Muhammad.

They only checked archaeological sites mentioned in Bible; so their “consensus” is only valid for Bible, Christians, Jews; it has absolutely no bearing on Islam/Quran/Muhammad.

Please quote an archaeological site mentioned in Quran that has proved to be wrong with “consensus”.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/features/world/asia/israel/abraham-text

Quran clearly mentions that the Jews and Christian scholars had been involved into tampering with their scriptures; now this has been proved right, even the Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics would witness to it.

Nothing personal, please

Regards

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/a-reason-to-believe/comment-page-1/#comment-13612

PAARSURREY says:
March 28, 2014 at 10:50 am

@JOHN ZANDE :March 27, 2014 at 11:48 pm

Their findings are with reference to Bible; it is not with reference to Quran. Muhammad received Revelation of Quran from the One-True-God directly; its truth has shone like daylight.

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/a-reason-to-believe/comment-page-1/#comment-13615

PAARSURREY says:
March 28, 2014 at 11:52 am
@JOHN ZANDE :March 28, 2014 at 11:36 am
“Does the Qur’an, or does it not, talk about Abraham and Moses as if they were real people?Yes or No?” Unquote

I mentioned that Muhammad received Revelation of Quran from the One-True-God directly ; it has got nothing to do with the OT Bible or NT Bible.

Narratives of Bible had been proved wrong which were being searched into from the sites excavated mentioned in the Bible.

Narratives of Quran are still intact.

I don’t know as to why one cannot get it.

Religion does not need immoral stories of Bible

April 30, 2013

As for as I know religion is for development of human faculties in ethical, moral and spiritual realms; and religion guides one to tread on the footprints of the founders of the religion.

Genesis narrations are so immoral at some places that not even an ordinary human being would like to do as stated therein. One has to search for jewels from the rubble called Bible; I mean moral events distinctively from the immoral as mentioned below.

Chapter 12

(Account of Abram or Abraham)

[11] And when he was near to enter into Egypt, he said to Sarai his wife: I know that thou art a beautiful woman: [12] And that when the Egyptians shall see thee, they will say: She is his wife: and they will kill me, and keep thee. [13] Say, therefore, I pray thee, that thou art my sister: that I may be well used for thee, and that my soul may live for thy sake. [14] And when Abram was come into Egypt, the Egyptians saw the woman that she was very beautiful. [15] And the princes told Pharao, and praised her before him: and the woman was taken into the house of Pharao.

[16] And they used Abram well for her sake. And he had sheep and oxen, and he asses, and men servants and maid servants, and she asses, and camels. [17] But the Lord scourged Pharao and his house with most grievous stripes for Sarai, Abram’ s wife. [18] And Pharao called Abram, and said to him: What is this that thou hast done to me? Why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?[19] For what cause didst thou say, she was thy sister, that I might take her to my wife? Now, therefore, there is thy wife, take her, and go thy way.

Chapter 19

Lot

[4] But before they went to bed, the men of the city beset the house both young and old, all the people together. [5] And they called Lot, and said to him: Where are the men that came in to thee at night? bring them out hither that we may know them:

[6] Lot went out to them, and shut the door after him, and said: [7] Do not so, I beseech you, my brethren, do not commit this evil. [8] I have two daughters who as yet have not known man: I will bring them out to you, and abuse you them as it shall please you, so that you do no evil to these men, because they are come in under the shadow of my roof.

Chapter 20

[1] Abraham removed from thence to the south country, and dwelt between Cades and Sur, and sojourned in Gerara. [2] And he said of Sara his wife: She is my sister. So Abimelech the king of Gerara sent, and took her. [3] And God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and he said to him: Lo thou shalt die for the woman thou hast taken: for she hath a husband. [4]

Chapter 26

[6] So Isaac abode in Gerara. [7] And when he was asked by the men of that place, concerning his wife, he answered: She is my sister; for he was afraid to confess that she was his wife, thinking lest perhaps they would kill him because of her beauty. [8] And when very many days were passed, and he abode there, Abimelech king of the Palestines looking out through a window, saw him playing with Rebecca his wife. [9] And calling for him, he said: It is evident she is thy wife: why didst thou feign her to be thy sister? He answered: I feared lest I should die for her sake. [10] And Abimelech said: Why hast thou deceived us? Some man of the people might have lain with thy wife, and thou hadst brought upon us a great sin

Chapter 29

[18] And Jacob being in love with her, said: I will serve thee seven years for Rachel thy younger daughter.[19] Laban answered: It is better that I give her to thee than to another man; stay with me. [20] So Jacob served seven years for Rachel: and they seemed but a few days, because of the greatness of his love.

[21] And he said to Laban: Give me my wife; for now the time is fulfilled, that I may go in unto her.[22] And he, having invited a great number of his friends to the feast, made the marriage. [23] And at night he brought in Lia his daughter to him, [24] Giving his daughter a handmaid, named Zelpha. Now when Jacob had gone in to her according to custom when morning was come he saw it was Lia:

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/01012.htm

These are the deeds of people who were supposed to be under covenant from God; and  they were to distribute blessings to their off-spring and were to spread in the world.

If their character is moral; then please define as to what is immoral.

I know this has nothing to do with Abraham, Isaac, Lot and Jacob; it is the fabrication of the storytellers who narrated the oral tradition and to attract the audience they made them up . When oral tradition was committed to writing these were got added up by the scribes.

April 1, 2013

Paarsurrey says:

We get the following from Quran in this connection:

[3:68] Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was ever inclined to God and obedient to Him, and he was not of those who associate gods with God.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=3&verse=67

Thanks

altruistico

Abraham is one of the best-known people of the Bible. He’s a key figure in the history of both the Jewish and Arab people. He was the great-grandfather of Judah, whose descendants became known as the Jews, and he was also the father of Ishmael, from whom many of the Arab people are descended. Abraham was a Hebrew, and although the ancestor of both, Abraham himself was neither Jew nor Arab.Abraham

“The Sons Of Noah: Shem, Ham and Japheth…The sons of Shem: Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud and Aram. The sons of Aram: Uz, Hul, Gether and Meshech. Arphaxad was the father of Shelah, and Shelah the father of Eber. Two sons were born to Eber: One was named Peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan. Joktan was the father of Almodad, Sheleph, Hazarmaveth, Jerah, Hadoram, Uzal, Diklah, Obal, Abimael, Sheba, Ophir, Havilah and Jobab…

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“The Bible cannot be taken literally”

October 29, 2009

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/rebecca_goldstein/2009/10/god_and_the_moral_muddle.html#comments

Hi friends

“The Bible cannot be taken literally”

We know that the Messengers Prophets of the Creator – God Allah YHWH, like Moses, Noah, Abraham and Jesus did receive Word of Revelation from Him. But unfortunately the Original Revelation has not been preserved literally and has been lost in the debris of time. We only get the glimpses of the Creator- God Allah YHWH’s Word. So definitely one does not get the true meaning and hence the true sense of it. I therefore agree that the Bible cannot be taken literally sometimes.

But at least we can understand academically that the Revelation had been received from God Allah YHWH. The lost part of the Bible or its ethical, moral and spiritual teachings can however be recovered/ modified or understood.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim