Muhammad never adopted the formal style of Jewish Prayer/Salat

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loverxxxxxx said: ↑

Why would the Bab renounce Islam as He claimed to be the Promised One of Islam. Baha’u’llah became a follower of the Bab and always had a religion.

#77 paarsurrey

Bab was a Twelver Shia-Muslim all through his life as I understand from our friend @Koxxxin post #52 above , and Bab might have made some mistakes in understanding Islam, but that is just another topic. After-all he was just a human being and fallible. But don’t overburden Bab with the errors, mistakes. blunders and
fallibilities of Bahaullah:
AYAH Fatir 35:18
Literal
(Word by Word) And not will bear bearer of burdens burden (of) another. And if calls a heavily laden to (carry) its load, not will be carried of it anything even if he be near of kin. Only you can warn those who fear their Lord – unseen and establish the prayer. And whoever purifies himself, then only he purifies for his own self. And to Allah (is) the destination.
Sher Ali And no burdened soul can bear the burden of another; and if a heavily laden soul call another to bear its load, naught of it shall be carried by the other, even though he be a kinsman. Thou canst warn only those who fear their Lord in secret and observe Prayer, And whoso purifies himself, purifies himself only to his own good; and to ALLAH shall be the return.
Fatir 35:18

Sorry to the friends who follow Bahaullah , and sorry for Bahaullah as well, please. Alas! Bahaullah should have committed his mistakes within Islam as did Bab.

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danxxxxxxx said: ↑

Do you deny that Muhammad used to pray with the Jews facing Jerusalem before the changing of the Quiblah?

#78 paarsurrey

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Muhammad only faced towards Jerusalem, as a friendly gesture, cause he had great regards of many prophets/messengers buried there from the string of Isaac to link with Abraham-the father of prophets/messengers of God. But Muhammad himself was from the string of Ishmael, the elder son of Abraham. Muhammad never adopted the formal style of Jewish Prayer/Salat.
One is grossly mistaken in this connection, pleas. And one shall have to quote from Quran about Muhammad in support of one’s view-point, please. Bahaullah or Abdul Baha or Shoghi Effendi and or UHJ might have given some wrong information in the matter, I am not aware of, please, never themselves having a firm understanding of Islam/Quran/Muhammad, and beating about the bush sometimes or most of the time, and not from G-d. Right, please?
My apologies for this straight talk . Peace, please!

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Is “Judaism” named by Moses?

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cnorman19 wrote: [Replying to post 1 by paarsurrey1]Wikipedia Paarsurrey wrote: I first quote from the link provided by one: Jew (word) Page issues This article is about the English word Jew. For the Jewish people, see Jews. Look up Jew in Wiktionary, the free dictionary. The term Jew passed into the English language from the Greek Ioudaios and Latin Iudaeus, from which the Old French giu was derived after dropping the letter “d”, and later after a variety of forms found in early English (from about the year 1000) such as: Iudea, Gyu, Giu, Iuu, Iuw, Iew developed into the English word “Jew.” It thus ultimately originates in the Biblical Hebrew word Yehudi meaning “from the Tribe of Judah”, “from the Kingdom of Judah”, or “Jew”. The Jewish ethnonym in Hebrew is יהודים‎, Yehudim (plural of יהודי‎, Yehudi). Contents Etymology Edit Further information: Ioudaios Hasmonean coin of John Hyrcanus (134 to 104 BCE) with the inscription “Hayehudim” (of the Jews). Obv: Double cornucopia. Rev: Five lines of ancient Hebrew script; reading “Yehochanan Kohen Gadol, Chever Hayehudim” (Yehochanan the High Priest, Council of the Jews. Map of the region in the 9th century BCE Yehudi in the Hebrew Bible Edit According to the Book of Genesis, Judah (יְהוּדָה‎, Yehudah) was the name of the fourth son of the patriarch Jacob. During the Exodus, the name was given to the Tribe of Judah, descended from the patriarch Judah. After the conquest and settlement of the land of Canaan, Judah also referred to the territory allocated to the tribe. After the splitting of the united Kingdom of Israel, the name was used for the southern kingdom of Judah. The kingdom now encompassed the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Simeon, along with some of the cities of the Levites. With the destruction of the northern kingdom of Israel (Samaria), the kingdom of Judah became the sole Jewish state and the term y’hudi (יהודי‎) was applied to all Israelites. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew_(word) Regards

 

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paarsurrey1 wrote: Is “Judaism” named by Moses?If not, then why name the religion of Moses as Judaism or its followers as Jews, please?  JP Cusick Wrote: The reason for the confusion is based on centuries or millennia of deception and lies about God and about the Bible, and even if some of the confusion were honest mistakes then with a little effort then the mistake could have been discovered and corrected – but no. The very first place in the Bible where the word “Jews” is used is where the Jews were at war with Israel. ~ 2 Kings 16:6 It is not hard to figure out that the Jews can not be the “Israel” of the Bible when they are at war with the people and Country known as Israel. The modern Jewish State of Israel would be more accurately named as the Country of Judah, but instead the world is handed the same old lies and deceptions of the past 1,500 (or more) years. It is not just the Jewish people but also virtually all of Christianity makes the untrue claims that the old Testament is about the Jews when it is about Israel, and the other nonsense that Hebrew means Jewish which it does not, and Moses did not give the name of Judaism to the religion of the Pentateuch.

influence of paganism/Hellenism on Judaism

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paarsurrey said: ↑

The Jews were superstitious people and were susceptible and inclined to the thoughts and concepts of paganism in the time of Moses as well as Jesus in spite of Moses and Jesus being against such thoughts.

Paarsurrey further added:

For the influence of paganism/Hellenism on Judaism I would like to add to quote from the Jewish Encyclopedia which is only a glimpse of what actually was going on:

HELLENISM (from έλληνίζειν , “to speak Greek,” or “to make Greek”):
Word used to express the assimilation, especially by the Jews, of Greek speech, manners, and culture, from the fourth centuryB.C. through the first centuries of the common era. Post-exilic Judaism was largely recruited from those returned exiles who regarded it as their chief task to preserve their religion uncontaminated, a task that required the strict separation of the congregation both from all foreign peoples (Ezra x. 11; Neh. ix. 2) and from the Jewish inhabitants of Palestine who did not strictly observe the Law (Ezra vi. 22; Neh. x. 29). This separation was especially difficult to maintain when the victorious campaign of Alexander the Great had linked the East to the West. The victory was not simply a political one. Its spiritual influence was much greater. The Greek language became a common language for nearer Asia, and with the language went Greek culture, Greek art, and Greek thought. The influence thus exerted did not entirely drive out the local languages or the local civilization. The Hellenic spirit was itself profoundly modified by contact with the Orient; and out of the mingling of the two there arose a pseudo-Greek culture which was often different in spirit from the true culture of Hellas.

Range of Hellenic Influence.

Except in Egypt, Hellenic influence was nowhere stronger than on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean. Greek cities arose there in continuation, or in place, of the older Semitic foundations, and gradually changed the aspect of the country. Such cities were Raphia, Gaza, Ascalon, Azotus, Jabneh, Jaffa, Cæsarea, Dor, and Ptolemais. It was especially in eastern Palestine that Hellenism took a firm hold, and the cities of the Decapolis (which seems also to have included Damascus) were the centers of Greek influence. This influence extended in later times over the whole of the district east of the Jordan and of the Sea of Gennesaret, especially inTrachonitis, Batanæa, and Auranitis. The cities in western Palestine were not excepted. Samaria and Panias were at an early time settled by Macedonian colonists. The names of places were Hellenized: “Rabbath-Ammon” to “Philadelphia”; “Armoab” to “Ariopolis”; “Akko” to “Ptolemais.” The same occurred with personal names: “Ḥoni” became “Menelaus”; “Joshua” became “Jason” or “Jesus.” The Hellenic influence pervaded everything, and even in the very strongholds of Judaism it modified the organization of the state, the laws, and public affairs, art, science, and industry, affecting even the ordinary things of life and the common associations of the people.

HELLENISM – JewishEncyclopedia.com

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I appreciate the first two paragraphs of the above write-up. Under influence of the Hellenism/paganism the Jews had been influenced and resorted to borrowing their mythical religious concepts into their own religion. Jews being “sons of G-d” which was only a spiritual concept, not a physical one, some groups started believing it as physical for certain hero personalities of their religion (like Ezra). They were led astray from the Moses’ teachings and needed to be reformed.
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Judaism: Book of Exodus neither written by Moses nor dictated by him

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Kirran said: ↑

Might be lost in translation. Might have been a literary style at the time. Might have had somebody write it for him by dictation, at least in parts, who didn’t feel comfortable writing it in the first person.

Paarsurrey wrote:

So many mights for a “holy scripture” make it a bad scripture.
Am I right?

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The Jewry of the time of Moses was summoned at the foot of the Mountain not to reward them.

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Paarsurrey wrote:

It is a wrong concept that Jews were any chosen people if they did wrong.

The Jewry of the time of Moses was summoned at the foot of the Mountain not to reward them. YHWH was not happy with them but to show them His displeasure.

Exodus 16:2
1 Then they set out from Elim, and all the congregation of the sons of Israel came to the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departure from the land of Egypt. 2 The whole congregation of the sons of Israel grumbled against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness. 3 The sons of Israel said to them, “Would that we had died by the LORD’S hand in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the pots of meat, when we ate bread to the full; for you have brought us out into this wilderness to kill this whole assembly with hunger.”…

The Jews were not worthy of direct converse with YHWH.

The present Jews should understand and ask forgiveness of YHWH.

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Did G-d have direct conversation with the Jewry?

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Friend Tumah quoted Deuteronomy – Chapter 4:12 to prove that G-d spoke directly to the Israelite nation as a whole.

Tumah said: ↑

12 The Lord spoke to you out of the midst of the fire; you heard the sound of the words, but saw no image, just a voice.

Deuteronomy does not supersede the points given in Exodus. Deuteronomy cannot change the event as narrated in Exodus, as the event was just happening at that time. Deuteronomy was exhortation addresses of what had already happened.

The points mentioned by me about Exodus Chapters 19, 20 in my post # 21 <Judaism: no mass revelation of G-d with Jews mentioned in Exodus Chapter 19 and 20 | Page 2 | ReligiousForums.com>, therefore, remain still valid.

The text of the chapters 19,20 of Exodus indicates that:
• neither the people went up the mountain (only Moses and Aaron went as per the text) none other went,
• nor YHWH descended to the masses to talk with them directly,
• the masses were afraid of the YHWH lest He wreaks at them. (What chosen people they , the Jews, claim to be?)
• there was a barricade for the Jews, they could no cross it.
• The conversation was between YHWH and Moses in direct manner up at the mountain.
• It is therefore evident that the communication was indirectly conveyed to masses by Moses.

That proves my point.

Moses wanted to save the Jewish people from the iniquities they could perform in future. The Jews disobeyed Moses and as a people acted against the commandments given to them through Moses by God as mentioned in Deuteronomy.
Instead of being a select people, the Jews became the worst people.

This chapter four of Deuteronomy served as a future charge-sheet given to the Jews by Moses himself.

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Judaism viz ” argument of cause and effect”

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metis said: ↑

The Tibetan Buddhist monk, Matthieu Ricard, covered this rather succinctly in one of his books. If there were to be a stand-alone creator-god, then it would have to either be unchanging or ever-changing. If this deity was unchanging, how could this deity create? If the deity were ever-changing, what would cause the deity to change?

Paarsurrey wrote:

The Tibetan Buddhist monk Matthieu Ricard has wrongly understood the truthful fact about our G-d. Please give the claim from the scripture of the religion he believes in and the argument given by the scripture if he believes in a living scripture.
What do you understand about YHWH in this respect from Torah? Please quote from Torah with the argument given by Torah itself if it is a living book.
I respect you both and and your religions, yet we have to explore the truth.

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paarsurrey said: ↑
Did Jesus say it? Please (Since you are a Christian)
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roger1440 said: ↑

To answer your question, yes. Below is the word “truth” in Hebrew.

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Paarsurrey wrote:

You see even in Hebrew the image of truth is beautiful.

Please quote from Jesus.

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Post #86

roger1440 said:

“The short answer is because the Jews are taught God’s law is truth

“Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true.” (Psalm 119:142)”

roger1440 said: ↑

Discussing Jesus would be beyond the scope of this thread

Paarsurrey wrote:

Sorry, for sure, I asked because you quoted from Psalm which is not a book of Law in Jews as I undersand. Jewish Law is in the first five books of the OT, as you know.
If it is the absolute truth, then one should have been a Jew instead of being a Christian.
Please correct me if I am wrong. You don’t have to answer if it would be beyond the scope of this thread.

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Post #91

roger1440 said: ↑

You testing me? LOL

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. (Revelation 22:13 )

You got me wrong. I was testing nobody.

• The quote given by you above does not state that Judaism or Jews are righteous or truthful.

“The short answer is because the Jews are taught God’s law is truth“Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true.” (Psalm 119:142)”

Please quote from Jesus.

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Moses did not found Judaism and name it

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Judaism

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How do Jews prove that Judaism is the truth?

Paarsurrey wrote:

Moses did not found Judaism and name it as such, he also did not name his followers as Jews.
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How Odd of G-d to Choose the Jews?

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Paarsurrey wrote:

It is a wrong notion that Jews were chosen from among other nations and others were rejected. It will be a racial concept of G-d and racial concept of Judaism. G-d is not racial; what has He to do with the ethnicity of a people?

G-d loves people who are in His image, in attributes; a virtuous, G-d fearing and loving Truth; He loves.

Yes; Adam, Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jacob were good people and they were chosen by G-d; and those of Jews who follow in their footstep could be chosen by G-d.

That holds good for others who are non-Jews; nothing special for Jews.

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