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Muhammad never adopted the formal style of Jewish Prayer/Salat

April 25, 2019

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#77 paarsurrey

Bab was a Twelver Shia-Muslim all through his life as I understand from our friend @Koxxxin post #52 above , and Bab might have made some mistakes in understanding Islam, but that is just another topic. After-all he was just a human being and fallible. But don’t overburden Bab with the errors, mistakes. blunders and
fallibilities of Bahaullah:
AYAH Fatir 35:18
(Word by Word) And not will bear bearer of burdens burden (of) another. And if calls a heavily laden to (carry) its load, not will be carried of it anything even if he be near of kin. Only you can warn those who fear their Lord – unseen and establish the prayer. And whoever purifies himself, then only he purifies for his own self. And to Allah (is) the destination.
Sher Ali[​IMG] And no burdened soul can bear the burden of another; and if a heavily laden soul call another to bear its load, naught of it shall be carried by the other, even though he be a kinsman. Thou canst warn only those who fear their Lord in secret and observe Prayer, And whoso purifies himself, purifies himself only to his own good; and to ALLAH shall be the return.
Fatir 35:18

Sorry to the friends who follow Bahaullah , and sorry for Bahaullah as well, please. Alas! Bahaullah should have committed his mistakes within Islam as did Bab.


#78 paarsurrey

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Muhammad only faced towards Jerusalem, as a friendly gesture, cause he had great regards of many prophets/messengers buried there from the string of Isaac to link with Abraham-the father of prophets/messengers of God. But Muhammad himself was from the string of Ishmael, the elder son of Abraham. Muhammad never adopted the formal style of Jewish Prayer/Salat.
One is grossly mistaken in this connection, pleas. And one shall have to quote from Quran about Muhammad in support of one’s view-point, please. Bahaullah or Abdul Baha or Shoghi Effendi and or UHJ might have given some wrong information in the matter, I am not aware of, please, never themselves having a firm understanding of Islam/Quran/Muhammad, and beating about the bush sometimes or most of the time, and not from G-d. Right, please?
My apologies for this straight talk . Peace, please!



Is “Judaism” named by Moses?

October 2, 2017


Post 4: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:13 pm 

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paarsurrey1 wrote:
Is “Judaism” named by Moses?If not, then why name the religion of Moses as Judaism or its followers as Jews, please?

Avatar JP Cusick Wrote:

The reason for the confusion is based on centuries or millennia of deception and lies about God and about the Bible, and even if some of the confusion were honest mistakes then with a little effort then the mistake could have been discovered and corrected – but no.

The very first place in the Bible where the word “Jews” is used is where the Jews were at war with Israel. ~ 2 Kings 16:6

It is not hard to figure out that the Jews can not be the “Israel” of the Bible when they are at war with the people and Country known as Israel.

The modern Jewish State of Israel would be more accurately named as the Country of Judah, but instead the world is handed the same old lies and deceptions of the past 1,500 (or more) years.

It is not just the Jewish people but also virtually all of Christianity makes the untrue claims that the old Testament is about the Jews when it is about Israel, and the other nonsense that Hebrew means Jewish which it does not, and Moses did not give the name of Judaism to the religion of the Pentateuch.

influence of paganism/Hellenism on Judaism

September 2, 2015

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Paarsurrey further added:

For the influence of paganism/Hellenism on Judaism I would like to add to quote from the Jewish Encyclopedia which is only a glimpse of what actually was going on:

HELLENISM (from έλληνίζειν , “to speak Greek,” or “to make Greek”):
Word used to express the assimilation, especially by the Jews, of Greek speech, manners, and culture, from the fourth centuryB.C. through the first centuries of the common era. Post-exilic Judaism was largely recruited from those returned exiles who regarded it as their chief task to preserve their religion uncontaminated, a task that required the strict separation of the congregation both from all foreign peoples (Ezra x. 11; Neh. ix. 2) and from the Jewish inhabitants of Palestine who did not strictly observe the Law (Ezra vi. 22; Neh. x. 29). This separation was especially difficult to maintain when the victorious campaign of Alexander the Great had linked the East to the West. The victory was not simply a political one. Its spiritual influence was much greater. The Greek language became a common language for nearer Asia, and with the language went Greek culture, Greek art, and Greek thought. The influence thus exerted did not entirely drive out the local languages or the local civilization. The Hellenic spirit was itself profoundly modified by contact with the Orient; and out of the mingling of the two there arose a pseudo-Greek culture which was often different in spirit from the true culture of Hellas.

Range of Hellenic Influence.

Except in Egypt, Hellenic influence was nowhere stronger than on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean. Greek cities arose there in continuation, or in place, of the older Semitic foundations, and gradually changed the aspect of the country. Such cities were Raphia, Gaza, Ascalon, Azotus, Jabneh, Jaffa, Cæsarea, Dor, and Ptolemais. It was especially in eastern Palestine that Hellenism took a firm hold, and the cities of the Decapolis (which seems also to have included Damascus) were the centers of Greek influence. This influence extended in later times over the whole of the district east of the Jordan and of the Sea of Gennesaret, especially inTrachonitis, Batanæa, and Auranitis. The cities in western Palestine were not excepted. Samaria and Panias were at an early time settled by Macedonian colonists. The names of places were Hellenized: “Rabbath-Ammon” to “Philadelphia”; “Armoab” to “Ariopolis”; “Akko” to “Ptolemais.” The same occurred with personal names: “Ḥoni” became “Menelaus”; “Joshua” became “Jason” or “Jesus.” The Hellenic influence pervaded everything, and even in the very strongholds of Judaism it modified the organization of the state, the laws, and public affairs, art, science, and industry, affecting even the ordinary things of life and the common associations of the people.



I posted following comments on Jewish Encylopedia under topic “HELLENISM”:
Paar Surrey
I appreciate the first two paragraphs of the above write-up. Under influence of the Hellenism/paganism the Jews had been influenced and resorted to borrowing their mythical religious concepts into their own religion. Jews being “sons of G-d” which was only a spiritual concept, not a physical one, some groups started believing it as physical for certain hero personalities of their religion (like Ezra). They were led astray from the Moses’ teachings and needed to be reformed.

Judaism: Book of Exodus neither written by Moses nor dictated by him

May 30, 2015

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Paarsurrey wrote:

So many mights for a “holy scripture” make it a bad scripture.
Am I right?


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The Jewry of the time of Moses was summoned at the foot of the Mountain not to reward them.

May 27, 2015

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Paarsurrey wrote:

It is a wrong concept that Jews were any chosen people if they did wrong.

The Jewry of the time of Moses was summoned at the foot of the Mountain not to reward them. YHWH was not happy with them but to show them His displeasure.

Exodus 16:2
1 Then they set out from Elim, and all the congregation of the sons of Israel came to the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departure from the land of Egypt. 2 The whole congregation of the sons of Israel grumbled against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness. 3 The sons of Israel said to them, “Would that we had died by the LORD’S hand in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the pots of meat, when we ate bread to the full; for you have brought us out into this wilderness to kill this whole assembly with hunger.”…

The Jews were not worthy of direct converse with YHWH.

The present Jews should understand and ask forgiveness of YHWH.


Did G-d have direct conversation with the Jewry?

May 26, 2015

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Friend Tumah quoted Deuteronomy – Chapter 4:12 to prove that G-d spoke directly to the Israelite nation as a whole.

Deuteronomy does not supersede the points given in Exodus. Deuteronomy cannot change the event as narrated in Exodus, as the event was just happening at that time. Deuteronomy was exhortation addresses of what had already happened.

The points mentioned by me about Exodus Chapters 19, 20 in my post # 21 <Judaism: no mass revelation of G-d with Jews mentioned in Exodus Chapter 19 and 20 | Page 2 |>, therefore, remain still valid.

The text of the chapters 19,20 of Exodus indicates that:
• neither the people went up the mountain (only Moses and Aaron went as per the text) none other went,
• nor YHWH descended to the masses to talk with them directly,
• the masses were afraid of the YHWH lest He wreaks at them. (What chosen people they , the Jews, claim to be?)
• there was a barricade for the Jews, they could no cross it.
• The conversation was between YHWH and Moses in direct manner up at the mountain.
• It is therefore evident that the communication was indirectly conveyed to masses by Moses.

That proves my point.

Moses wanted to save the Jewish people from the iniquities they could perform in future. The Jews disobeyed Moses and as a people acted against the commandments given to them through Moses by God as mentioned in Deuteronomy.
Instead of being a select people, the Jews became the worst people.

This chapter four of Deuteronomy served as a future charge-sheet given to the Jews by Moses himself.


Judaism viz ” argument of cause and effect”

May 22, 2015

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Paarsurrey wrote:

The Tibetan Buddhist monk Matthieu Ricard has wrongly understood the truthful fact about our G-d. Please give the claim from the scripture of the religion he believes in and the argument given by the scripture if he believes in a living scripture.
What do you understand about YHWH in this respect from Torah? Please quote from Torah with the argument given by Torah itself if it is a living book.
I respect you both and and your religions, yet we have to explore the truth.



May 18, 2015
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paarsurrey said:
Did Jesus say it? Please (Since you are a Christian)

Paarsurrey wrote:

You see even in Hebrew the image of truth is beautiful.

Please quote from Jesus.


roger1440 said:

“The short answer is because the Jews are taught God’s law is truth

“Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true.” (Psalm 119:142)”

Paarsurrey wrote:

Sorry, for sure, I asked because you quoted from Psalm which is not a book of Law in Jews as I undersand. Jewish Law is in the first five books of the OT, as you know.
If it is the absolute truth, then one should have been a Jew instead of being a Christian.
Please correct me if I am wrong. You don’t have to answer if it would be beyond the scope of this thread.


You got me wrong. I was testing nobody.

  • The quote given by you above does not state that Judaism or Jews are righteous or truthful.

“The short answer is because the Jews are taught God’s law is truth“Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true.” (Psalm 119:142)”

Please quote from Jesus.


Moses did not found Judaism and name it

May 15, 2015

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Paarsurrey wrote:

Moses did not found Judaism and name it as such, he also did not name his followers as Jews.

June 18, 2014

How Odd of G-d to Choose the Jews?

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Topic of the thread: How Odd of G-d to Choose the Jews?

Paarsurrey wrote:

It is a wrong notion that Jews were chosen from among other nations and others were rejected. It will be a racial concept of G-d and racial concept of Judaism. G-d is not racial; what has He to do with the ethnicity of a people?

G-d loves people who are in His image, in attributes; a virtuous, G-d fearing and loving Truth; He loves.

Yes; Adam, Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jacob were good people and they were chosen by G-d; and those of Jews who follow in their footstep could be chosen by G-d.

That holds good for others who are non-Jews; nothing special for Jews.


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