Posts Tagged ‘Adam’

“Proof That Quranic/Biblical Adam Did Not Exist”

May 9, 2015

Please join interesting discussion on<www.religiousforums.com > on the above topic. My post:

Post #5  http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/proof-that-quranic-biblical-adam-did-not-exist.176335/#post-4280175

paarsurrey wrote:
Would your please quote from Quran that there was ever only one breeding pair one planet Earth?
Regards

[38:72]When thy Lord said to the angels, ‘I am about to create man from clay,
[38:73]‘And so when I have fashioned himin perfection, and have breathed into him of My Spirit, fall ye down in submission to him.’

Paarsurrey wrote:

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine – Al Islam Online
[4:1]In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[4:2]O ye people! fear your Lord, Who created you from a single soul and created therefrom its mate, and from them twain spread many men and women; and fear Allah, in Whose name you appeal to one another, andfear Him particularly respectingties of relationship. Verily, Allah watches over you.
The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine – Al Islam Online

You will please observe form the verses closely that Adam or Eve’s names have not been mentioned in the same.
It is a general discussion of human creation which is discussed by Quran in the verses.

Regards

“God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!”

May 6, 2015

One is welcome to view my post <www.religiousforums.com> and comment on it even if one differs with me.

Post #544

Paarsurrey wrote : Please quote from Quran where incest between Adam and Eve has been mentioned.

Paarsurrey wrote :The Original Word of Revelation on Moses did have qualities of ethical, moral and spiritual uplift later when the clergy or narrators changed it to suit their whims, Bible lost such qualities. It is better, therefore, to focus on the core teachings of Bible and leave peripherals added later by the erring clergy.

Paarsurrey wrote :I agree with you that the inference from Bible “that everybody is descendant from a man and woman who lived together” in the past.

Paarsurrey wrote :_____and the period of “6000 years” is a wrong inference from Bible, unless one quotes literally from Bible to have mentioned it.

Regards

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/god-recreated-the-earth-6-000-years-ago.174599/page-28#post-4277528

“God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!”

May 6, 2015

One may view my posts on <www.religiousforums.com>and comment on them even if one differs with me.

Post #534

Paarsurrey wrote:Please quote from the scriptures where it mention literally that “God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!”.

Regards

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/god-recreated-the-earth-6-000-years-ago.174599/page-27#post-4276494

Post #536

Paarsurrey wrote:The scriptures and or more truly the Word of Revelation from the One-True-God are for ethical, moral and spiritual uplift of human beings, as such inference from it in things material is the most unscientific thing to do.
Why do it?
Regards

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/god-recreated-the-earth-6-000-years-ago.174599/page-27#post-4276802

God Himself is a Zionist.!?

November 6, 2014

I wrote following post on one of my favorite discussion forums <https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/god-himself-is-a-zionist.170260/page-2#post-4011538 >

Post #29 thread/topic <God Himself is a Zionist.!?>

One could join the discussion on the forum or here on this blog.

Paarsurrey wrote:

No, emphatic no.
G-d is not for a particular place/town/city/country/race/nation:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 1: Al-Fatihah

[1:1]In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[1:2]All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
[1:3]The Gracious, the Merciful,
[1:4]Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1:5]Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help.
[1:6]Guide us in the right path —
[1:7]The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowedThyblessings, those who have not incurredThydispleasure, and those who have not gone astray.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=1

Regards

Adam and Eve: did Torah copy or plagiarize the story?

July 30, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3862440-post1.html

Pleas access the above marvelous site to join the discussion.

Paarsurrey wrote:

The latest research tells us:

Adam And Eve Lived In Africa, But Probably Did Not Know Each Other: Scientists

The most recent common ancestor of men, called Adam, lived almost 120,000 years ago, and chances are that he did not meet or interact with Eve, who lived around 99,000 to 148,000 years ago, a new research indicates.

http://www.ibtimes.com/adam-eve-lived-africa-probably-did-not-know-each-other-scientists-1369497

The most pertinent question therefore would be; where did Jewish Bible or Torah get the story of Adam and Eve from?

Where from it copied?

Regards

“WE ARE ANIMALS, YET WE ARE NOT”

March 24, 2014

http://unconfirmedabsolutes.wordpress.com/2014/02/10/we-are-animals-yet-we-are-not/comment-page-1/#comment-125

paarsurrey says:
March 24, 2014 at 7:45 pm

@ unfonfirmedabsolutes
“WE ARE ANIMALS, YET WE ARE NOT.”

Hi friend

Yes; we got evolved from animals in millions of years on the commandment of One-True-God when He said the words “to be”; and the process of our being got started. When humans got the characteristics that were destined for us in the words “to be”; our God conversed with the most righteous person (of the time) among us called “Adam”.

Now there is no going back to the animal kingdom:

[17:71] Indeed, We have honored the children of Adam, and carried them by land and sea, and given them of good things and exalted them far above many of those whom We have created.
[17:72] Remember the day when We shall summon every people with their Leader. Then whoso shall be given his book in his right hand — such will read their book, and they will not be wronged a whit.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=17&verse=70

Thanks and regards

“The ‘Big Bang’ is not mentioned in scripture (Bible)”

February 26, 2014

Blog: Enquiries on Atheism: topic: Rules of Fair Religious Debate Play

http://atheistenquiry.org/
My comments:

http://atheistenquuiry.org/2014/02/24/rules-of-fair-religious-debate-play/comment-page-1/#comment-4625

Paarsurrey
February 26, 2014 • 5:25 pm

“The “Big Bang” is not mentioned in scripture (Bible)”

It is not reasonable for intelligent people to look for scientific theories in the religious scriptures. The Word of Revelation from the One-True-God on the messengers/prophets is/was for polishing ethical, moral and spiritual faculties of the human beings; hence they should be referred to only in such matters.

Now the word “Big Bang” has been cooked in the recent times; it was not in vogue in the times of Adam (or Moses); in fact this phenomenon happened at a time, millions of years before, when Adam had not yet been evolved. So to look for it in the Bible is a futile exercise; Bible could only, at the most, hint at it in some obscure form for the intelligent people.

Let the masses understand life in easy terms please

January 15, 2014

I wrote following post for the benefit of the public at

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2014/01/young-earth-creationists-make-their-point/#comment-1200953312

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paarsurrey @ Captain Cassidy

Quoting your words:

“If there’s no literal Creation, then there can’t be a literal Fall, and from there no literal Original Sin, which means there’s no need for a literal Jesus to die and be apparently risen again. There might not even be a real hell or heaven to threaten or entice people with.” Unquote

Quran here comes to the rescue of the Bible for correct understanding of the things lost its originality due to the manipulation of the scribes of Bible.

Taking the narrative of Adam’s creation as literal is a misunderstanding of the scribes and is wrong. Adam was not the first man created/evolved; man might have evolved in millions of years as science has deciphered it rightly now. Adam and Eve were the first people chosen for the direct Converse with the One-True-God as the words ““[9] And the Lord God called Adam, and said to him: Where art thou?”
It also is the mistake of the eulogizers of science and scientists to take the Word Revealed on Krishna, Moses, Jesus etc as if they were writing text books of science; they never claimed as such.

It is easy for the ordinary/common man to understand the things in nutshell and in a symbolic or poetic way than in terms of the formulas, equations and other difficult terminologies of science; which is the job of Scientist to do and they must do it for the benefit of the human society.
So, please let it be simple. Let the masses understand life in easy terms.

Thanks

The one true God whom Adam, Buddha, Krishna, Socrates, Moses, Jesus etc believed

July 15, 2013

There ensued a discussion on one of my favorite blogs between me and john zande which could be viewed by clicking the following link:

 http://fidedubitandum.wordpress.com/2013/07/09/the-wrong-target/

Reblogged this on paarsurrey and commented:
Paarsurrey says:

All revealed religions in their origin are/were from one source of the one true God; that is the reason for so many similar teachings in them. The differences in religions reflect that when the message from the one true God got diluted due to corruption; the message was again revealed by Him on another truthful messenger prophet of the one true God.

Thanks

 

Would your mind change to know there was never a revelation to anyone at any time? I’m referring here specifically to the Old Testament.

 

Why should one restrict to Old Testament? Moses did receive revelation from the one true God.
Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Socrates, Jesus, Muhammad and in our own times Mirza Ghulam Ahmad received revelation from the one true God.

 

Care to explain then why all these gods have different names, attributes, personalities, messages, languages, moral codes, and varying degrees of authored powers. The Abrahamic god is omnipotent and omnipresent, but the Zoroastrian, Ahura Mazda, in not (it is stressed) omnipresent.

 

Different languages have to have different names of the one true God; it is very natural.
All good names in whatever language are His names; they belong to the one true God.

 

Sorry, that explanation doesn’t fly. You are alluding to a universal god, and a universal god should have one name recognised by all. By extension such a god should be able to state exactly what it wants to say and do so free of any and all ambiguity. Its word should be unencumbered by cultural idiosyncrasies and remain unmolested by divergences in language, calligraphy, obscure and dead lexicons, future dialects, exotic morphemes, or even illiteracy and deafness. Its word should contain no contradiction, no absurdity, no oversight or declarations that are in conflict with observed facts. Its word should penetrate all tribal, domestic and international legal code and remain morally true in a timeless continuum. Such an entity should be instantly recognisable to all sentient creatures and its actions should exhibit no fault or favour, no bias, prejudice, second-thought or indeed, if omniscient, no mind-set at all.

 

How do you know that? Please give your evidence

john zande
July 15th, 2013 at 11:33 pm

It is a claim bound-up in the proclamation of an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient god. I didn’t make the claim; theists, like yourself, do.
paarsurrey
July 16th, 2013 at 12:27 am

But I did not make any such claim; you will admit; if others do, they are free to answer.
john zande
July 16th, 2013 at 1:15 am

Are you insane?

You believe in the Abrahamic god. That god is said to be omni-everything. If you don’t believe in that particular god you’ll have to specifically outline which god you actually believe in… and describe its attributes to me.

So, if its not the Abrahamic god, describe the god you believe in.
paarsurrey
July 16th, 2013 at 1:27 am

I believe in the one true God who always existed irrespective whether Abraham believed in Him. I don’t have to contest with Abraham; he was a truthful messenger prophet of the one true God.

In fact time and space, “nothing” and “something”; are all caused by Him, the one true God.

Please don’t define and limit my God; it is my choice to believe in Him as per the attributes mentioned in Quran.

Please don’t lose patience; I think it is a good attribute of a Humanist.

Isn’t it?
john zande
July 16th, 2013 at 1:41 am

“attributes mentioned in Quran…”

so you believe in the Abrahamic god! There’s no two ways around this. You believe in THAT omni-everything god.
paarsurrey
July 16th, 2013 at 3:28 am

Prophets like Adam, Buddha, Krishna, Socrates, Moses and Jesus etc; all believed in one true God; Abraham was also one such messenger prophet among so many.

Religion is a personal belief; please don’t attribute or define anything which I did not claim.

I think a good Humanist should be careful about others beliefs

Belief in one God is the original position or the Norm

May 15, 2013

Please view Paarsurrey’s four posts in the thread “The true religion invites comparison” in the discussion forum < http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/146855-true-religion-invites-comparison-11.html >

Paarsurrey says:

Post #96

Belief in one God is the original position.

Post #102

When they fall from the original position they resort to becoming mythical or superstitious and make many gods or they deny the one true God.

Belief in one God is the norm; it is the middle position or on the middle path.

Post  #104

Man has been created with a purpose of life; to that end God provided guidance through perfect men called messengers prophets; God conversed with them and told them about himself.

God could have different names in different people in their own languages with the same attributes; Allah, Yahweh, Brahma, Isana, Ahura Mazda etc. We find traces of such Converse in almost all regions of the world, even in the aborigines of Australia , America.
This is one true God.

Post  #107

Evolution of humans is with a purpose. When man reached a stage fit to receive express guidance from the one true God; man was bestowed Converse

with the one true God. “Adam” or whatever name of that human being in the language of the people; he was addressed by Him and told of that Being and His attributes.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

One could comment on the forum or here on this blog; my pleasure.