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Science without religion is lame

October 23, 2017

Thread:”Scientific search for what is God.”
Forum: Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Science and Religion

Post 84: 

[Replying to post 79 by J——-k]



The words are true regardless of your sensitivities.

Science is lame without religion = because that is the way it is – not because Einstein said so.
Religion is blind without science = because that is the way it is – not because Einstein said so.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Even if it had not been said by Einstein and even if it would have been from an anonymous writer, the sentence is valuable and priceless, I agree.


“The letter will go on sale at Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair on Thursday and is expected to fetch up to £8,000. ”

“I see no value in atheism”

May 5, 2015

One could view my post on < >and comment on it.

Post #780

Paarsurrey wrote:The sources given in the map are not facts.

The title of the map is “Check out this excellent diagram that maps how world religions have changed and developed, from the beginning of history to now“. The religions have existed from the inception, they existed in the pre-historic periods and have continued to date.


“Science is a magnificent force, but it is not a teacher of morals.”

March 5, 2014

Please view Paarsurrey’s comments on the following blog for your valuable opinion:

“Doug’s Dribblings”
“Read Your Civic Biology”

paarsurrey March 5, 2014 at 7:38 AM
@ Doug B

“Here I have to agree with Bryan: “Science is a magnificent force, but it is not a teacher of morals.” It is for that reason that I feel the scientific worldview alone is not sufficient. At the same time I don’t feel the religious worldview alone will cut it, either.
The truth is: either science or religion can be abused and used to inflict harm. I’m not impressed with those on either side who would downplay the importance of the other. I don’t see why we can’t embrace both.” Unquote

I agree with you that both science and religion can be abused to harm humanity; but it is most truthful that religion and science both are good friends and can be used to benefit humanity the most. There is nothing contradictory in religion and science (based on natural laws) as both are from the same source of One-True-God (Allah Yahweh Ahura-Mazda Parmeshaware Eshaware). Religion is based on the Word of God while science is the Work of God; both embrace happily with one another.

Thanks and regards

I follow Quran in ethical, moral and spiritual matters; in scientific matters I follow text book of science

February 28, 2014

I follow Quran in ethical, moral and spiritual matters; in scientific matters I follow text book of science

“the superstitious naked ape”: “The Moral Autonomy Argument”

February 28, 2014 at 4:48 pm

@ DAZ says: February 28, 2014 at 4:26 pm
“Since “it is written in a book” seems to be your criterion for deciding whether something is true or not”
You get me wrong.

In the matters or religion which deals in ethical, moral and spiritual matters, one has to follow the revealed book of one’s religion; so being an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim I follow Quran and hence for all claims (in ethical, moral and spiritual fields), I must quote the claims and gist of reasons mentioned in Quran not authored by Muhammad by the One-True-God.

In secular matters; one has to follow the law of the land one lives in.
In scientific matters I would follow the authentic text books of science, if there is a need to follow. I am an ordinary man in the street, with no claims of any piety or scholarship.
This is my position. Please

Path of never ending scientific / religious truths/facts/knowledge

February 26, 2014

Paarsurrey’s comments:

paarsurrey says:
February 26, 2014 at 4:38 pm

@ unconfirmedabsolutes : Reference to your Comments of February 26, 2014 at 12:26 pm

“Your goal seems to be faithful to the “truth”, whereas mine is to search for the “truth”. Yours is a destination that’s already been found. Mine’s a process that could lead me anywhere.”

Now that is not the case; though we have opposite views; yet we might be on the same path that is “Truth” and that “leads to Truth” located on the same straight line; if we are sincere in our search and research.

One cannot say that one is on the false or untruth path as of today; can you?

If one is sincere one is never biased against the absolute Truth.

A sincere person is always on the Truth and yet craving for more Truth, where-from it comes to one and whenever it comes to one, one goes on accepting it of course after due diligence, inquiry and search; it is a never ending process/path/line.

Like, man started search in scientific fields; at a given point of time one could know for which one had the tools; in the subsequent time he was better equipped and more experienced based on his previous knowledge; then he moved ahead on the scientific truths/facts. We can never say that we have known all the scientific facts in the nature or universe/s. AS we go the goal posts widen.

This is the path of never ending scientific truths/facts/knowledge.

“The ‘Big Bang’ is not mentioned in scripture (Bible)”

February 26, 2014

Blog: Enquiries on Atheism: topic: Rules of Fair Religious Debate Play
My comments:

February 26, 2014 • 5:25 pm

“The “Big Bang” is not mentioned in scripture (Bible)”

It is not reasonable for intelligent people to look for scientific theories in the religious scriptures. The Word of Revelation from the One-True-God on the messengers/prophets is/was for polishing ethical, moral and spiritual faculties of the human beings; hence they should be referred to only in such matters.

Now the word “Big Bang” has been cooked in the recent times; it was not in vogue in the times of Adam (or Moses); in fact this phenomenon happened at a time, millions of years before, when Adam had not yet been evolved. So to look for it in the Bible is a futile exercise; Bible could only, at the most, hint at it in some obscure form for the intelligent people.

How would you define “good, free and right”? Anybody please

June 7, 2009

What kind of hope do Atheists have?

Ron Ash, our Agnostic friend says:

I belong to all denominations and no denominations. My faith is that of hope, love and faith. Truth is my religion. Jesus advises me and I am guided by angels to do what God sends me to do. I Am an Apostle and all that it means to be.
Tell me a little about yourself.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Ron Ash

I don’t think it is a consistent or natural and scientific stance. It is good that you have a hope, love and faith.

How does Jesus advise you or angels from God Allah YHWH guide you.

Do you think you are an Apostle like Paul or Joseph Smith or you are different from them?

What kind of hope do Atheists have?

It is good that Truth is your religion.

David Woodford says:

Hope for a good and enjoyable life, free to do whatever one feels is right.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend David Woodford

Welcome to paarsurrey blog.

How would you define “good, free and right”, please? How would the human beings achieve these objectives more easily than others, according to the Agnostics and Athiests?


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

I don’t think Science is a function of Atheism or that the Atheists have a sole legitimate claim on Science

May 15, 2009

~Science is a natural faculty for the inquisitive minds, whether religious or irreligious, which evolved with man in centuries.

Godless American says:

What’s really funny is how the Theologist is the one that resorts to science and the atheist only uses his personal sense of reality. Totally switched around, hilarious!

paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Godless American

Thank you for visiting my blog and making some comments. I also just visited your blog, and gone through the contents. Yours is a busy blog. You are welcome here; though your views would be differing views sometimes, but I don’t mind.

I don’t think that the Atheists have any sole rights on science. Science is a natural faculty for the inquisitive minds, whether religious or irreligious, which evolved with man in centuries. I don’t think Science is a function of Atheism or Religiosity.

It is free for any human without discrimination of being Theist or Non-Theist. There had been very great scientists who were amongst the Catholics Theists; and I admire them. There might be many, though not as great as Newton or Lois Pasture, nevertheless, there had been some scientists who are said to be Atheists; I admire them also. Any human being who has served God Allah YHWH well or who has served the Humanity, I admire them all.

Sorry, I don’t admire and don’t agree that a humanist should have the as I find it on your blog:

The Left Agenda

“We are a liberal, left-wing, progressive, and atheist blog. Little respect is given to right-wing ideology or Republican talking points. We enjoy laughing at right-wingers, and have no qualms lambasting them either. We hope you enjoy the Left Agenda. Please comment, debate, argue, insult, and laugh as much as you like. We will.”

Is it serving humanity or science? If you don’t mind; please feel free to tell us.

I love the Atheists/Agnostics as human beings as I love the Catholics, Protestants and JWs or Mormons


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim


The fable is authored by our friend paul8bee and is exhibited on his blog:

Please feel free to add your comments on his blog also for the diversity; he is a non-denominational Theist, from Vancouver, Canada.


Blind Faith – yet another form of not-believing

June 18, 2008


The scriptures of all Revealed Religions are; be they Noah-ides, Jews Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs etc whoever and wherever there are people claiming they are or they had in the past received God’s word, all included provide the sum total of the revealed stock of guidance provided by God to man- a common treasure for the whole humanity as against the atheism or not-believing who have received non.


Scriptures are Word of God, if they contain the words of God in the original language in which it were revealed, rather than meanings in the form of translations or different versions or interpretations of somebody or are written observations of a scribe/disciple /apostle or comments of simply a reader/writer .Science is the ACT of God depicted in the whole universe, not what the scientists say (scientists so often talk of theories, that are not yet science, strictly speaking, unless these are considered as Scientific Laws. The Scientific Laws are not creation of the scientists, they just discover with experiments what has already been created by God, they only verify with their experiments and close observations what already exists and created by God.

The source of Word of God and Act of God is the same i.e. one God-the Supreme Creator, the All–Knowing and All-Wise, therefore there cannot be logically any contradiction in both.

If there is prima facie a contradiction or difference, a gap in the two, then this has to be investigated truthfully and logically, the fault if any is of the humans involved. Either the Word of God has been wrongly interpreted/translated or interpolated by the humans or yet a Law of Science is in the process of making/not yet fully discovered. This would require reconciliation of the two with facts and one with the fault would be amended/updated accordingly .The religious people ,being human beings, are also prone to err, get carried away into superstitions , myths ,unreal mysticism due to their becoming over zealous or sometimes under pressure, the same is true of the scientific people ( not the scientists).

The faithful believes and has to believe the truth whichever and wherever and wherefrom the truth has emerged , with continuous search instead of the blind faith which is yet another form of not- believing that causes believing in myths and fiction rather than the facts. This is the system from God.

Evolution of human thought and progress of scientific knowledge in every branch of knowledge provides us ground to evolve our centuries old religious concepts, while every thing else is progressing , adapting to the new realities which surface due to new knowledge and technology, on the basis of undisputed facts brought by history , archaeology or sciences etc. The old concepts of clergy, theologians were mostly based on their limited knowledge of that time, which needs to be updated and not to be followed blindly as the new but real facts have emerged. Why to believe in the religious establishment when it is proved wrong.

The intention is not to provoke any controversy or to weaken faith of the Christians or it is not an attempt unnecessarily to convert them to some other faith. This is intended to make Christians a better Christians which fact is also evidenced by splitting of Christianity into some 30000+ sects.

After all there is some discrepancy somewhere. This is every individual’s own duty to do this exercise himself; others can only help, which is the true intention.
Since no conflicting debate is intended, as I abhor such debates. One enjoys and one’s knowledge gets improved by wisdom of the learned fellow human beings who think otherwise. With their wise and free comments other side of the concept is presented which provides one rich food of thought and rather than creating confusion one improves ones’ thoughts and beliefs which is only possible when we cross-examine our concepts with the opposing concepts. It is a positive exercise, there is no compulsion, and it develops free, logical and rational thinking, after all every body has finally to decide for himself. Everybody of any religion may therefore enrich us with his opinions and experiences and should feel free for that.

When one cannot reconcile science and religion one normally does not share or discuss such thoughts with others especially with the clergy, the so called religious people, imbued with extra zeal that normally happen to be very narrow minded and close hearted, not to speak of the opposing views, one even does not discuss within the same faith people. By and by such silent people sometimes become atheists. Most of the people (be Christians or for that matter of any other religion) seldom go to the Churches (or synagogues or mosques or temples), which shows that inwardly they have become dormant in their faith or nearing or turned atheists or not-believing. These peoples have to be “awakened” in the faith by providing them the amended facts, the God sent reality without man–woven myths, which is only possible by reconciling Word of God with Act of God or vice versa, in the light of and updating with the new undoubted facts which are common treasure of man, or searching the true word of God from the existing scriptures, also a common Treasure of man.


All believers of any religion have to make concerted efforts for revival of their faith to salvage growing silent atheists or dormant believers of the faith. The question is not of converting of a Christian to any other faith more important issue is of reclaiming the present Christian to the true Christian, Jew to a true Jew, Muslim to the true Islamic faith, Sikh to the true Sikhism etc, all bowing to the true will of God. To me, these are the natural allies-being believers in one God and must be loved.


Inter-faith dialogue or study of the Comparative Religions is logically done to bridge this gap- a man made gap between the Word of God (the scripture) and Act of God (pure laws of science). The decision again rests with the individual.


I love Jesus, Mary, Krishna, Moses and Muhammad.




I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

science and religion can work together

June 6, 2008

Justinroepel says in post titled “religion and science to find middle ground”:

Mathew Nisbet over at the Framing Science Blog has posted this clip of several scientists talking about their faith and their belief in evolution.  They also talk about how the “theory” of intelligent design fails as a scientific theory and that they see no problems with religion and the theory of evolution reconciling.  The video was produced by the American Association for the Advancement of Science who is calling for a return to a middle ground where science and religion can work together. 

I have to say that this really speaks to me.  As an ardent believer in evolution, it is nice to hear people speaking up and voicing an alternative viewpoint to the standard arguments that I am forced to listen to almost constantly.  Very refreshing and kind of a pick me up.

Parrsurrey says: 

It is a happy sign. Kindly visit my blogsite and read my page/post on the topic “There is no contradiction in Religion and Science”.




I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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