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Paarsurrey wrote : Please quote from Quran where incest between Adam and Eve has been mentioned.
Paarsurrey wrote :The Original Word of Revelation on Moses did have qualities of ethical, moral and spiritual uplift later when the clergy or narrators changed it to suit their whims, Bible lost such qualities. It is better, therefore, to focus on the core teachings of Bible and leave peripherals added later by the erring clergy.
Paarsurrey wrote :I agree with you that the inference from Bible “that everybody is descendant from a man and woman who lived together” in the past.
Paarsurrey wrote :_____and the period of “6000 years” is a wrong inference from Bible, unless one quotes literally from Bible to have mentioned it.
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Paarsurrey wrote:Please quote from the scriptures where it mention literally that “God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!”.
Paarsurrey wrote:The scriptures and or more truly the Word of Revelation from the One-True-God are for ethical, moral and spiritual uplift of human beings, as such inference from it in things material is the most unscientific thing to do.
Why do it?
The Truthful Revelation is always reasonable; the One-True-God is All-Wise; so the revelation has to be reasonable, if correctly understood.
Peaceful dialogue with reasonable arguments is the language of correct understanding between human beings. Revelation helped by reason or reason helped by Revelation is the source of knowledge that could be acquired in the ethical, moral and spiritual realms. Islam provides it in the practical life.
It is for this that Islam is called a global or universal religion. Nothing is left on blind-faith.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908- the Promised Messiah said in 1889:
“Once you have proved that Jesus (as) has joined the dead and have impressed this fact upon the hearts of the Christians, then do believe that that will be the day of the departure of the Christian faith from the world. Bear firmly in mind that so long as their god does not die, their religion will also not die, and it is futile to indulge in any other argument with them.
Their doctrine stands on just one pillar, which is the belief that Jesus son of Mary (as) is alive in heaven.
Demolish this pillar and you will not find the Christian faith anywhere in the world. As God Almighty desires to crush this pillar and to establish His Unity in Europe and Asia, He has sent me and disclosed to me through His own revelation that Jesus son of Mary has died. His revelation is:
“Jesus son of Mary, Messenger of Allah, has died and you have come in this place and in his spirit according to God’s promise, which was bound to be fulfilled. You are with Me and you have your stand upon truth and you are the helper and supporter of truth.”
In this book, I have established the death of Jesus(as) and his having joined the dead with very strong arguments. I have established it as a clear fact that Jesus (as) was never resurrected, nor taken up to heaven in his physical body, but died just as all other Prophets have died. He has left this world forever.
He who worships Jesus should realize that he has died and has joined the company of the dead for all times to come. You should take advantage of this book for the support of the truth and should stand firm against the Christian clergy.
This question should always be the subject of your attention and you should have full trust that Jesus son of Mary has certainly joined the company of the dead.”
(Izala-e-Auham, Ruhani Khaza’in, Vol. 3, Pages. 402-403: Translated from the original in Urdu language)
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paarsurrey | April 2, 2014 at 11:03 am
@ anaivethinker | April 1, 2014 at 9:50 pm
“Do you think that rational argumentation is sufficient to determine which religion is true, if any?
Reason is a bounty that the One-True-God has bestowed on us the human beings and it is common to everybody believers or non-believers. Some use it most while some don’t use it much. As one sees with eyes things that are physical and material; for inner reflection reason is sort of inner tool of seeing.
Reason of itself is blind; it always needs a conjugal partner to ascertain things. For things happened in the past reason needs history or archaeology etc., for the present one needs radio, television, newspaper and for future just a conjecture.
Human eyes cannot see things without light; human ear needs a medium to hear.
The conjugal partner of reason to find the one true God is Word of Revelation; neither science nor the scientific method. Science can only deal in the things material and physical; not even the spiritual things.
The one true God created everything physical, material and spiritual; and he is out of these realms or dimensions. He is everywhere with His attributes though.
With all its merits reason cannot lead one to certainty; the maximum reason can guide us to is that there should be a God; the Revelation leads one to certainty.
One should not believe in myths; myths could be reasoned out and that is very good.
MAR 18, 2014 @ 19:43:01
@Howie:MAR 18, 2014 @ 01:09:50
Howie said: As far as saying “you feel you have revelation” I may have used the wrong words.
Paarsurey said: You got me wrong, I said, “No, I am not honored with Revelation from God”.
Howie said: Also if I believed I didn’t exist then the act of doing anything at all would be a complete absurdity.
Paarsurey says: Yes one’s consciousness of one’s existence is ample proof of one’s existence; and one declares with full certainty just by communication to others that one exists.
The same way a being having Superior- Consciousness (God) could communicate with humans and declare to them of His existence; like He talked to Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
Nature does not talk with anybody; it has never talked to anybody ever; hence it cannot teach humans to talk; therefore it cannot evolve on its own a process that enables human to talk to or communicate with fellow humans and also to have Converse with God.
Howie said: This god that you are talking about hasn’t interacted with me in any way at all.
Paarsurey says: Because one has not chosen the proper way for told by the founders of revealed religions on the basis of Revelation they received from God.
Howie said: Do you know that there are people of many different religions that are sure about their gods and their beliefs and express the same level of certainty as you do?
Paarsurey says:I understand and this is because the founders of their religions in origin were truthful persons and they received the revelation from the same God, I believe in.
Howie said: As far as my parents go, I can see, hear, feel, and smell my parents
Paarsurey says: Yes that is right; but one knows for certain that they are one’s parents from the love and caring they provide one; otherwise one had not seen them mating to be sure of their being one’s parents; yet one is sure having absolutely no doubt that they are one’s parents without getting into DNA checking and matching, the scientific proofs.
Howie said: and have had tons of conversations with them.
Paarsurey says: The same way a being having Superior- Consciousness (God) could communicate with humans and declare to them of His existence; like He talked to Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
Please ponder over this simple reasoning; it is simple because religion is for everybody and has to be simple.
Thanks and regards.
Sermon Delivered by Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad at Head of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community February 7th, 2014
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Last week Hazrat Khalifatul Masih happened to watch part of the programme Rah-e-Huda when a non-Ahmadi questioner was putting his question with reference to a revelation of the Promised Messiah(as). In a way his question was an objection and in his preamble the caller said that the Holy Qur’an, which is the Word of God, Hadith and works of other holy persons all have a concordance and a flow which he failed to see in the Promised Messiah’s(as) words. Even if the intention of the caller was not to object, his tone appeared so.
The Promised Messiah(as) said: ‘I have said as regards mutual love and harmony of the Jama’at that you should have accord and unity. This is the teaching God gave to the Muslims that be as one otherwise you will collapse. The commandment to stand close to each other in Salat is to promote unity, so that the good in one permeates like electric power in each other. If you have conflict and no unity, you will remain unfortunate.
‘Remember removal of malice is a sign of the Mahdi. Will this sign not come to pass? Indeed, it will. Why don’t you be patient! Just as in medical matters some ailments do not go away unless they are completely eradicated. InshaAllah a pious community will be created through me. What is the reason for mutual enmity? Miserliness, arrogance, self-centredness and emotions. I will exclude all those from my Jama’at who do not have control over their emotions and cannot live with mutual love and unity.
The Promised Messiah(as) said: ‘It should be remembered very well that there is benefit in everything. Look around the world, from high quality of vegetation to rodents and insects, there is nothing that is devoid of benefit to man. All these ordinary things, whether they are earthly or heavenly, are shadows of the attributes of Allah the Exalted. When there is so much benefit in [Divine] attributes, imagine the benefit of the Being of God!
The Promised Messiah(as) said: ‘Allah the Exalted does not care for anyone but for the righteous person. Instil mutual love and unity and abandon beastliness and conflict and give up all manner of mockery and derision because mockery makes the heart remote and distant from the truth. Treat each other with respect and everyone should give precedence to the comfort of his brother over his own comfort. Generate true conciliation with Allah the Exalted and return to His obedience.
‘Our detractors have animosity against us and wish for the Jama’at to be destroyed. It should be remembered that in spite of their animosity, I agree with them in one thing. And that is that God Almighty has willed that this Jama’at is free of sin and that it demonstrates a fine model of conduct and truly practices the true teachings of the Holy Qur’an and is fervently devoted in adherence of the Holy Prophet(saw).
These are the standards we need to aspire to, indeed, should aspire to; abiding by Taqwa, reforming our practices and enhancing the levels of faith. These are not small matters. We have accepted the Imam of the age and we should make endeavours to come up to the mark of his expectations. We should try and accomplish the smallest of virtue and should recoil from every evil. There is need to enhance mutual love, affection and unity.
Not all the prophets and messengers of the One-True-God (Allah Yahweh Ahura-Mazda Parameshawara Eshawara) have been named in Quran; only about twenty five of them have been mentioned in Quran by their names; for others general characteristics have been mentioned of a truthful prophet messengers.
It is one of the basic principles of Islam to believe in all the prophets messengers of the One-True-God Allah wherever they have come in the world. One cannot deny any of them as the denial of any one of them may mean denial of the office of prophet- hood and this way denial of all the prophets and messengers; as they all have been sent by the One-True-God.
One such prophet is Socrates.
We give here some of the verses of Quran that give characteristics of a prophet in this connection:
1. [35:25] Verily, We have sent thee with the truth, as a bearer of glad tidings and as a Warner; and there is no people to whom a Warner has not been sent.
[35:26] And if they treat thee as a liar, those who were before them also treated their Prophets as liars. Their Messengers came to them with clear Signs, and with the Scriptures, and with the illuminating Book.
2. [16:37] And We did raise among every people a Messenger, preaching: ‘Worship Allah and shun the Evil One.’ Then among them were some whom Allah guided and among them weresome who became deserving of ruin. So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who treated the Prophets as liars!
3. [34:35] And We never sent a Warner to any city but the wealthy ones thereof said, ‘Surely, we disbelieve in what you have been sent with.’
4. [15:11] And We sent Messengers before thee among parties of ancient peoples.
[15:12] And there never came to them any Messenger but they mocked at him.
5. [18:7] So haply thou wilt grieve thyself to death for sorrow after them if they believe not in this discourse.
It won’t be out of place here that The fourth successor to Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (peace be upon him), the founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community (who believe him to be the Promised Messiah, the grand unifier of the Latter Days) pays homage to Socrates in his marvelous book “Revelation, Rationality, Knowledge & Truth” in the following words:
“He was a prophet among philosophers and a philosopher among prophets. He believed in the unshakeable Unity of God. Of His absolute goodness he did not entertain the slightest doubt. This is what he pronounced during his last speech before the Athenian senate. He believed in God, the possessor of absolute goodness, not merely through his intellectual and metaphysical exercise, he believed because he had personally known Him as such, right from the early days of his childhood.
Nay, he was brought up in the very lap of God with His personal love and care. This was Socrates who also tackled this question with profound logic but it is a logic largely spent on proving the impossibility of any evil originating from God. When it came to the issue of evil and suffering in the world, he dismissed them as human errors, logically impossible to have emanated from Him.
He had to be good, He was good and He could not be anything but good. Hence, evil must have been generated by earthly people, God having no share in their defiled practices. His answer was simple but left room for others to assail him philosophically so that ultimately he could be driven to an indefensible position.”
Ahmad, Hazrat Mirza Tahir – Khalifatul Masih IV. Revelation, Rationality, Knowledge & Truth. (Islam
International Publications Ltd, 1998. 174, 175.
Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad Khalifatul Masih IV argued further in his book that Socrates was a prophet of the ancient Greeks.
Hazrat Khalifatul Masih IV writes further:
“There must have been prophets before and after him but of them we can only infer from some oblique references by Socrates himself. For instance, he is known to have said that he is not the only one from God who has been the recipient of revelation; there have been great men before who did the same to serve the cause of goodness. Again, he warns Athenians not to put him to death otherwise they would never see the like of him again, except if God so desires to teach the right path to the Athenians by sending someone else.”
Ahmad, Hazrat Mirza Tahir – Khalifatul Masih IV. Revelation, Rationality, Knowledge & Truth. (Islam
International Publications Ltd, 1998). 73.
For more details on the subject one could read the following article titled “Socrates: Philosopher or Prophet” at the following link.
If Atheists are men of reason; they need be more patient, more tolerant and more courteous: they are not soJuly 20, 2013
I commented on the blog <http://fidedubitandum.wordpress.com/2013/07/18/arguing-with-preschoolers/#comment-1837> and then a discussion ensued between Keith Pinster, an Atheist, and me by clicking the dates [July 20th, 2013 at 10:43 pm,July 21st, 2013 at 12:57 am]; the discussion is given here-under for the viewers of this blog.
Keith Pinster said: The problem is that “reason” does not lead to the assumption that there should be any sort of Supreme Being.
[Paarsurrey says: The reason also rejects that the things we see and observe could have not been created and that these are self-created.]
Keith Pinster said: The only way it can lead to that is if you start out with that assumption in the first place.
[Paarsurrey says: It is equally or even more imprudent, in my opinion, to assume that the things we see and observe are self-created.]
Keith Pinster said: “Revelation” is nothing but tricks of the mind.
[Paarsurrey says: I don’t agree with you]
Keith Pinster said: If revelation was actually valid, first, everyone would have them,
[Paarsurrey says: There is no bar on anybody, however.]
Keith Pinster said: second, they would all be from the same religion (yes, believe it or not, people of OTHER religions have “revelations,” too),
[Paarsurrey says: All the religions in their origin are from the one true God; so prima facie revelation is not restricted to a particular race or people]
Keith Pinster said: and third, if it were true for xianity,
[Paarsurrey says: Jesus did have Word of Revelation from the one true God whom he used to address as God-the-Father; but Jesus did not found Christianity, it is founded by Paul. Jesus was a Jew, he founded no new religion.]
Keith Pinster said: there wouldn’t be hundreds of different xian sub-cults.
[Paarsurrey says: There is no compulsion so there always would be diversity. Every individual Atheist has different thoughts; it is human and natural]
Keith Pinster said: So, based on “reason,” revelation is nonsense.
[Paarsurrey says: I don’t agree with you; but you could have a different opinion which is not truthful.]
Keith Pinster said: Once again, I can not, nor do I need to provide evidence that there is no one true god. Can you provide evidence that there are no unicorns or leprechauns? Can you provide evidence that Ra is not the “one true god,” or Oden or Zeus?
[Paarsurrey says: But Atheists are not so pathetically against these false gods; is it not true?]
Keith Pinster said: It’s amazing that you are so stubborn that you just simply refuse to understand the concept that THE PERSON THAT DOES NOT ACCEPT AN EXTRAORDINARY CLAIM DOES NOT HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF. It doesn’t matter how many times you ask for that evidence, the fact that ATHEISTS DO NOT HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF does not change.
[Paarsurrey says: Now that the Atheists have become preachers that “there is no true God”; they cannot get refug3 behind the notion of “burden of proof”; they should be bold enough to provide the evidence they ask others.]
Keith Pinster said: Atheists are NOT MAKING CLAIMS.
[Paarsurrey says: The name Atheists; there are so many blogs defending Atheism; so their claims is/are obviously there; now they should not hesitate.]
Keith Pinster said: Since theists are making the extraordinary claim, the burden of proof lays directly on their shoulders. Go and take a debate 101 class at your community college. Or even a basic logic class. Please, stop embarrassing yourself by asking stupid questions.
[Paarsurrey says: The majority of people in the world consist of Theists; if we carry/stretch your arguments further; then it is the Atheists who have the extraordinary rather than an ordinary claim; hence there is no harm if they provide their evidence; rather they should happily opt to offer it.
Since the Atheists are committed to reasoning as they claim; so they must be most patience, tolerant and courteous; never resorting to indignation or expressing anger; I think you will agree with me on this.]
Keith Pinster said: You are definitely correct: reason needs a “conjugal partner to lead it.” And that partner is evidence.
[Paarsurrey says: In things material and physical evidence by way of experiments and repeated experiments is essential; in things spiritual instead of experiments there are experiences; and so many of them are out there.]
Keith Pinster said: Evidence and reason leads to understandable truth. Accepting a concept without evidence and then refusing to accept that your conclusion is invalid when evidence to the contrary is presented is self-imposed stupidity
[Paarsurrey says: Evidence by way of experience of so many messengers prophets of the one true God; in almost all regions of the world is already there.
Since the Atheists are committed to reasoning as they claim; so they must be most patience, tolerant and courteous; never resorting to indignation or expressing anger; I think you will agree with me on this]