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Isn’t Torah (or OT) a dead horse to Hellenist Pauline Christianity?

September 4, 2022

Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?


Thread on ” The Problems of Hellenized Judaism and interpretation of Christian Scripture “

Paarsurrey wrote:
My understanding is that Pauline-Christianity’s-Priesthood discourages its people to study OT first and then NT, they read it upside down, first they read NT and then OT; is it correct, please? Right?

EF said↑
Just Catholicism.
I have received a standard, strict Catholic upbringing and do not recall anyone teaching me what the Old Testament was about, and nobody encouraged me to read it.
The Catechism exclusively revolves around the Gospels, and the parables.
These were the only books.
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Paarsurrey wrote:

They (the Pauline-Christianity’s priesthood) only cling to OT, as it has some prophecies, which they fit on Jesus to add some more credulity to the stuff they have collected that they call Gospels or NT, else, isn’t the whole OT just a dead horse to them (the Pauline-Christianity), one gets to understand, please? Right?
Jesus read and mastered the Torah, he could never have adopted such an approach for his people, one could say, right?


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Does Christianity belong to Jesus in Acts and or Words

September 3, 2022

paarsurrey said: 
Favorite church songs?

Why sing a song in a Church, which Jesus did not sing, please? Right?

Sxxxxxxxxx said: 

Because this is how people worship.

Sorry, but your question reads to me like, “Why pray to Jesus in a church when Jesus did not pray to Jesus?”

Paarsurrey write:

Jesus was never a Christian, he was a Jew, please?
Do Jews worship in the synagogue?
Synagogue, also spelled synagog, in Judaism, a community house of worship that serves as a place not only for liturgical (public worship) services but also for assembly and study.
synagogue | Definition, History, & Facts
Didn’t Jesus used to go to the Synagogue to worship, please? Right?


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Christian friends need to reflect!

May 5, 2021

Please view paarsurrey’s post  #299  on Religious Forum by clicking <<< the post number.

#299 <<<<<paarsurrey wrote: ( please click the post number to get to the discussion)

I have sympathy with the Christian friends. They take their religion simply on blind-faith . They are dedicated people to their religion alright.
All denominations of Christians (32000+ of them) claim

  1. that they are supported by the Holy Spirit and
  2. narrate their personal experiences and testimonies to that effect,
  3. yet these denominations differ in their teachings and deeds with one another radically and
  4. consider other denomination as heretics.
  5. This has damaged Christianity considerably
  6. people silently cease attending Churches and
  7. become Atheists.

This needs to reflect on the situation by every Christian. Right?
There is something drastically wrong with their religion, they themselves have have to find out, please. Right?


Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?No, it never happened.

April 28, 2019

Religious Forums

#619 paarsurrey

Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

No, it never happened.
One may like to read:
“Jesus In India:

by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, The Promised Messiah and Mahdi (as)

The treatise puts forward the view that Jesus survived crucifixion, left Judea and migrated eastward in order to continue his mission to the ‘Lost Tribes of Israel’, traveling through Persia and Afghanistan and eventually dying a natural and honourable death in Kashmir at an old age. Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) applied textual analysis of both the Gospels and Islamic sources – the Quran and hadith – and also drew upon medical and historical material, including ancient Buddhist records, to argue his case.
Jesus In India | Islam Ahmadiyya


I can tell you one things . . . Christians can’t count“. Unquote
#620 paarsurrey

Please elaborate on one’s reasonable evidences/proofs from Religion as well as from science, if any.


#621 paarsurrey

One is exposing fallibility of Bahaullah, here, unnecessarily. Right, please?


Tonxxxxxxxx said: 
There is ample proof. There is much more to life than material senses, so no guess is needed, as it takes good logic and good reasoning.

The bible gives this option as being ‘Born Again’. That is someting that can be done in this life, if one so chooses.

Regards Tony

#622 paarsurrey

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I agree with one, your’s is a reasonable approach.

I understand that Bahaullah wrote something in favor of science, yet the Bahaism people prefer to follow him in blind-faith as if they are living in the abode of mythology. Don’t they, please?


How does one know of all/each of these things. Just guessing, please?


#646  paarsurrey

That does not make a myth into the reality. Please remain in the Myth-Land, if that is one’s choice. Right, please?




“Christianity” unauthorized from Jesus

April 25, 2019

Religious Forums

#80  paarsurrey

Jesus was a follower of Moses and his teachings, and in this sense he was a Jew or a follower of Judaism, he remained as such throughout his life, though Judaism people of that time never supported him, and Paul a Jew also , was a deadly enemy of Jesus’ and his followers . When Jesus migrated from Judea, and went out of it and the Roman rule, Paul could do nothing to quench his revenge from Jesus. Paul made a new plan and in the name of Jesus invented a new religion based on Pagan-Model and named it “Christianity” while it was another form of Paganism and nothing more thane that, and thus the wolf in sheep’s clothing mislead the sheep, in the absence of the Shepard.
So, why should Jesus have to renounce Judaism, he never started a new religion. It is Paul/Church and their associates who founded “Christianity” unauthorized from Jesus. Jesus was never a Christian. Right, please?


“Muhammad to me would be the first Muslim and will be the last Muslim.”

#84 paarsurrey

There is nothing new in it, it is already mentioned in Quran:
AYAH al-An`am 6:163
Arabic[​IMG] لَا شَرِيكَ لَهُ وَبِذَٰلِكَ أُمِرْتُ وَأَنَا أَوَّلُ الْمُسْلِمِينَ [​IMG]
Transliteration[​IMG] La shareeka lahu wabithalika omirtu waana awwalu almuslimeena
(Word by Word) No partners for Him; and with that I have been commanded. And I am (the) first (of) the ones who surrender.
Sher Ali[​IMG] HE * has no partner. And so I am commanded, and I am the first of those who submit.’
John Medows Rodwell[​IMG] He hath no associate. This am I commanded, and I am the first of the Muslims.
al-An`am 6:163

Is that sufficient or one needs more from Quran, please?


#85 paarsurrey

Never-mind for the goal posts. And one can fix the goal-post where one is happy to fix them, please, feel free to reply the previous narrative of my post. Of course one has the option to feel free for a reply from my side also.
My intention was to elaborate the point for everybody. Right, please?
In case one has already replied, I will be please to attend to it. One will be happy to receive two replies.
And we are friends and no ill-will, please.


Was Bahaullah a “Bahai”, please?

danxxxxxx said: 
Do you deny that Muhammad used to pray with the Jews facing Jerusalem before the changing of the Quiblah?

#91 paarsurrey

Friend @danxxxxxx , please!

Does one mean the above post one complained about the goal-posted widened, please?

If one wants a shorter reply it is here:

Muhammad never, emphasize never, prayed the Formal/Salat with the Jews. Is that OK, please?
If he did, as one thinks, then kindly quote from Quran, please.



Friend @Tony xxxxxxx! Thanks for rating my above post as “friendly”.


Jesus as a Jew…

April 24, 2019

Blog post # 2226

Religious Forums

“In that view Jesus is not fully God fully man. Didn’t die for sins of the world. Wasn’t raised.” Unquote
#84 paarsurrey

We Muslims specifically Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslim believe in Jesus, Mary, Moses, Adam and Abraham; as also other messengers/prophets of G-d (Bahaullah excluded) and their life accounts because Quran mentions them, strictly as mentioned by Quran. And other narratives (like OT-Torah or NT-Bible and Hadith,Shia or Sunni or any other traditions/sayings) that don’t contradict with Quran.

“In that view Jesus is not fully God fully man. Didn’t die for sins of the world. Wasn’t raised.”

Because that mars the personality and Character of Jesus, making him an imperfect man and god Jesus never was. We cannot, emphasis cannot, believe in such an imperfect god as depicted in NT Bible, please.

Sorry, no disrespect intended to anybody or anybody’s faith. Everybody is entitled to believe in any faith/religion with reason or absolute no reason. They must to continue to believe, as they want and wish to.

Right, please?


“I know that there were thirteen tribes of Israel and Levi was one such tribe.”

#85 paarsurrey

Please name them as Jacob/Israel had only twelve sons. Where does come another one to make them thirteen, please:

Jacob’s twelve sons, named in Genesis, were Reuben, Simeon,LeviJudah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, IssacharZebulun,Joseph, and Benjamin. His only daughter mentioned in Genesis is Dinah. The twelve sons became the progenitors of the “Tribes of Israel”.
Jacob – Wikipedia
Jacob – Wikipedia


“You can´t love Him (Jesus)”: A Christian says to paarsurrey. Do they have monopoly on Jesus?

April 22, 2019

Religious Forums

#27 paarsurrey

“You can´t love Him (Jesus)”

If one likes one may read my thoughts in posts #5 and #13 on another thread , please.


#38 paarsurrey

Do Christians have monopoly on loving Jesus? If yes who issued a license to it, please?


The Pagan Christ

April 20, 2019

Religious Forums

#5 paarsurrey

The Pagan Christ

Paul hijacked Jesus’ true teachings and replaced then with the pagan teachings and the “Sheep”, unaware of this, were made pagans. This was all done in the name of Jesus:

“such as virgin birth, deity father, star in the east, raising of the dead, descent into hell, crucifixion, resurrection, and others. Harpur claims that virtually all words and actions attributed to Jesus in the gospels “originated thousands of years before.”[4]
The Pagan Christ – Wikipedia
The question arises, was Paul the seed of the Anti-Christ that grew up and spread into the world as Christianity?


Add: Jesus is most likely a continuation of Osiris and Dionysus : DebateReligion


Do Christians know their own religion?

May 23, 2015

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Post #20

Deathbydefault said:

Do Christians know their own religion?

Paarsurrey wrote:

No; they only know the myth not the religion.


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May 18, 2015
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paarsurrey said:
Did Jesus say it? Please (Since you are a Christian)

Paarsurrey wrote:

You see even in Hebrew the image of truth is beautiful.

Please quote from Jesus.


roger1440 said:

“The short answer is because the Jews are taught God’s law is truth

“Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true.” (Psalm 119:142)”

Paarsurrey wrote:

Sorry, for sure, I asked because you quoted from Psalm which is not a book of Law in Jews as I undersand. Jewish Law is in the first five books of the OT, as you know.
If it is the absolute truth, then one should have been a Jew instead of being a Christian.
Please correct me if I am wrong. You don’t have to answer if it would be beyond the scope of this thread.


You got me wrong. I was testing nobody.

  • The quote given by you above does not state that Judaism or Jews are righteous or truthful.

“The short answer is because the Jews are taught God’s law is truth“Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true.” (Psalm 119:142)”

Please quote from Jesus.


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