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Do Christians know their own religion?

May 23, 2015

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Post #20

Deathbydefault said:

Do Christians know their own religion?

Paarsurrey wrote:

No; they only know the myth not the religion.


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May 18, 2015
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paarsurrey said:
Did Jesus say it? Please (Since you are a Christian)

Paarsurrey wrote:

You see even in Hebrew the image of truth is beautiful.

Please quote from Jesus.


roger1440 said:

“The short answer is because the Jews are taught God’s law is truth

“Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true.” (Psalm 119:142)”

Paarsurrey wrote:

Sorry, for sure, I asked because you quoted from Psalm which is not a book of Law in Jews as I undersand. Jewish Law is in the first five books of the OT, as you know.
If it is the absolute truth, then one should have been a Jew instead of being a Christian.
Please correct me if I am wrong. You don’t have to answer if it would be beyond the scope of this thread.


You got me wrong. I was testing nobody.

  • The quote given by you above does not state that Judaism or Jews are righteous or truthful.

“The short answer is because the Jews are taught God’s law is truth“Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true.” (Psalm 119:142)”

Please quote from Jesus.


“Dear Church: here’s why people are really leaving you”

May 13, 2015

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Paarsurrey wrote:

Christianity needs to be reformed. It is not based on the teachings of Jesus. Jesus did not believe in the creeds of the modern Christianity.
Second Coming has taken place in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 to reform it.


“Why I find Christianity dangerous to the human mind”

May 5, 2015

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Post #78

Paarsurrey wrote:The above is true about Paul’s Christianity.
It has nothing to do with Jesus who never believed these tenets.


Core teachings of religion do not change; Cultural effects could change peripheral concepts of people though

May 15, 2014

May 14th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

@ violetwisp:May 14th, 2014 at 11:14 am
“As a women, the passages on submission to men in the Bible obviously get under my skin, and were in fact key in my deconversion.”

I am a Muslim, so I don’t have to defend Christianity; that will be done by Christians themselves.
I will defend here Religion in general.
These are cultural points; and hence do not belong to the core teachings of Christianity and for that matter to any other religion. The subordinate creeds must be interpreted under the core teachings of a religion.

Jesus did not say anything against women or against their rights. He was compassionate and respectful to them.

When society moves from primitive social set-ups; say from tribal to democracy etc; the social perspectives also changes and with that the relative religious implications also change while; the core teachings remain intact.

It could be understood as a cultural effect.

The Atheists never had any Atheistic political role, as a well-nit unit to play in any phase of the human history in any region of the world; and whenever they happened to have one; they disowned it later due to its failure.

If one differs from a cultural point with any religion; that is not a valid reason to become an Atheist. In such a situation one only has to try for reformation of that religion on that cultural point.

One could understand it easily if an Atheist looks for as to what his fellow Atheists were doing at such a point of time.


Atheism is 100% faith-based :SILENCEOFMIND

May 11, 2014

May 9, 2014 at 3:34 pm

Since you cannot prove atheism, that means you have 100% faith in it.
You have no evidence for atheism. You just believe it because you hate Christianity.
To reason out rational arguments the claim you are making must be able to stand on its own merits.
Because atheism cannot stand on its own merits, the atheist is left making bigoted attacks on bigoted attacks and committing verbal abuse on anyone who dares offer disagreement.

Paarsurrey says:

I appreciate your comments.


May 11, 2014 at 4:01 pm
@JOHN ZANDE : May 11, 2014 at 3:37 pm

He might be sometimes; but I have never seen any positive argument favoring Atheism from anybody .
Whenever somebody challenges Atheism; they hide behind “burden of proof”; that suggests Atheism is faith based; cannot stand on its own feet.

I know that Christianity is mythical; it does not belong to teachings of Jesus; and is based on Pauline creeds.

Atheism is a fruit of Pauline Christianity; it surfaced in reaction to mythical creeds of Pauline Christianity.


Atheism: leap in the dark

April 17, 2014

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

paarsurrey says:
April 17, 2014 at 20:05

@ makagutu with love
You were born as Christian and everybody around you was a Christian. Yet for some good or bad reasons you became disgruntled with Christianity, Bible and Church; not necessarily with Jesus or Moses.

I think it was a blind and or unreasonable decision; in other words it was not a scientific decision.*

“Whenever I read the bible, I find it full of absurdities that I can’t ignore.”


1. You never finished reading Bible from cover to cover; hence your knowledge of what got revealed on Moses and Jesus remained, sorry to describe it, as shallow.
2. It did not occur to you that the denomination in which you were in; might be wrong; hence you should make a comparative study of the denominations of Christianity to find the truthful denomination from them.
3. You generalized the bitter experience you had of your specific denomination; to other denominations and in haste jumped out of it altogether.

I think yours was a leap in the dark.

Wasn’t it?


* Systematic approach to collecting facts and applying logical decision making techniques, instead of generalizing from experience, intuition (guessing), or trial and error.
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Jesus’ First and Second Golden Rules

April 6, 2014

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paarsurrey says:
April 6, 2014 at :

@Matt) Brisancian : April 3, 2014 at :
“I do not disagree with the Golden Rule in any way. I think that it is a fine principle to have central in a moral framework.
But it can be found in nearly all cultures.
It is not unique to the Abrahamic religions in any way. Its a principle derived from our intrinsic nature as a social species, the realization of how to best create a just and functioning society. Eastern religions had it before Christianity. The Egyptians had it before Moses I believe. Everyone has arrived at this.
No divine appeal is necessary.
And the fact that it is in the bible doesn’t in the slightest demonstrate that those texts had a connection to divine authorship.” Unquote

I Googled for the Golden Rule and got the following from Wikipedia:

“The Golden Rule or ethic of reciprocity is a maxim,[1] ethical code or morality[2] that essentially states either of the following:

• One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself. (Positive form)[1]
• One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated (Negative form, also known as the Silver Rule).[1]

This concept describes a “reciprocal”, or “two-way”, relationship between one’s self and others that involves both sidesequally, and in a mutual fashion.[3][4]”

You will please note that Jesus mentioned two Golden rules together in the core teachings; I repeat again:

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Matthew 22:36-40

You have given comments about the second one that it is common in all cultures but you have not commented on the first Golden Rule.

You observation is correct that (the Second Golden Rule) it is found in almost all-religions and adopted by Atheists/Agnostics/Humanists also.

The religions who have most mentioned it; I ascertain from the space allotted to it by Wikipedia and checked by Word Count is somewhat as follows:

Islam 1124 words: Christianity 843 words: Judaism 630 words

Others are much less; Atheism is far behind.

Does this indicate that humanism is not limited to Humanists only?

Now about the First Golden Rule:

“Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind”

Do you still believe in the First Golden Rule mentioned by Jesus and Moses? Please elaborate yourself fully on it.

Thanks and regards

paarsurrey says:
April 6, 2014 at :

@(Matt) Brisancian :April 6, 2014
“The first is not generally called “the golden rule” in the US.
Neighbors objectively exist, as is easily demonstrated. Gods on the other hand are simply hypothetical constructs, until and if someone can provide actual and conclusive evidence. So I don’t think much of it.”Unquote

Thanks for your response.

I think you mentioned “God’s Words, I remain convinced; can stand very well on their own.”

What is its context? Please

Don’t you think there is some contradiction in your concepts?

Please elaborate.

This is just a friendly discussion.


Christians should give respect to Jesus he deserved

April 6, 2014

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

paarsurrey says:
April 6, 2014 at :

@ Mariah Windrider : April 5, 2014

“Much of what Jesus is quoted as saying is pretty good, but the best of it is contradicted by other NT writers, notably Paul. Now that’s OK, but since the religion is supposed to be about Jesus and his stuff, warping your brain to make Paul’s interpretations equal or better than Jesus’ ones by saying that God wrote all of it so anything published under Paul’s name is just as good as what some author quoted Jesus as saying. This trend is suspicious.” Unquote

I much appreciate your above words.

The followers of Jesus must follow Jesus in the teachings he himself mentioned and acted upon and he must be treated as founder of Christianity.

Paul’s interpretations should not be treated as equal to Jesus or better than Jesus.

To make Jesus a god (while he was not) and then instead of following Jesus; if one is tricked into following Paul; one must be suspicious of Paul and must understand Paul’s game.

I salute Mariah Windrider’s understanding of Christianity.

If you don’t mind; please mention the name of your blog; I want to read more of your thoughts.

Thanks and regards

Christians say Jesus was “God’s Word”; yet Jesus did not write even a word for them

April 3, 2014

Our friend Jericho Brisance has written on his blog a brilliant post titled:
“Strictly Speaking, the Gospels are Anonymous” (w/ YouTube).

I give below a long excerpt from it :

“Religious traditions came first, and the Bible came later, at all points.

God’s Word

This dilapidated state of affairs is the expected outcome, since God’s texts have ever arrived by a circuitous route of dubious intermediaries. Here we owe ourselves and others a sanity check. On the Christian proposition, God himself had been here on earth for a good three decades. Yet he left us not a single written word. How likely is that? He could have written the gospel by his own hand. Or a few letters. Something. Anything. He was supposed to have been The Word.

He very likely had a literacy that exceeded his immediate disciples. It seems like communication of the written sort would have been something he could probably have managed. Given that Christianity was destined to be a religion grounded in religious texts, it sure would seem to clinch the deal if God himself wrote a few lines here and there.

We do not have “God’s Word” in the gospels. If Jesus had actually written something by his own hand, and if he had been who the Gospel of John claimed, then we would perhaps have a case for such a claim. But no. We have gospels – stories about Jesus. These are stories about what Jesus said – not Jesus’ words. They are stories about what Jesus did – not objective histories about the life and times of the Nazarene. And they are told as hero tales, as recounted by… whoever the authors actually were.” Unquote