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Txxxxxxx said: I am a follower of Baha’u’llah, who was raised as a Muslim. After He received His Revelation from God He broke away from Islam and revealed new teachings and laws, and eventually a new religion called the Baha’i Faith was established in His name.
#51 < paarsurrey wrote:,
So one could say that the Baha’i Faith grew out of Islam although it is a separate religion, since Baha’u’llah was a new Messenger of God who received a new Revelation from God, just like all the Messengers who preceded Him.
It is the Bahaism people who made Bahaullah a Messenger of G-d, Bahaullah himself, I understand:
- never claimed to be a Bahai or
- to have direct Converse with G-d or
- he himself claimed to be a Messenger of G-d, please.
If yes, then kindly quote from Kitab-i-Iqan, please. Right?
Regards
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Posted by u/Cordath2 months ago “Source of Hadith that Baha’u’llah quotes”
I’ve been wondering this for a while but have never found a direct answer.
I’m wondering where one can find the Hadith Baha’u’llah quotes in the Kitab-i-Iqan? A lot of times before quoting one, he’ll say something like “are they not familiar with the common saying (insert Hadith here)”.
Unfortunately, when I look for the Hadith, I have a very hard time finding it in many cases.
Could someone perhaps explain this?
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In the first place, most of the hadith collections translated online are Sunni, so if you are searching in English your chances are limited. However, if you are searching in Arabic, you may well find something similar but not exactly the same. This is because the texts Baha’u’llah and his readers were using were hand-copied and a given hadith had various versions. It was only when printed versions were produced that the texts were standardized.
Here’s an example of the search for the exact form of a Shiah hadith that Baha’u’llah cites;
https://senmcglinn.wordpress.com/2018/06/03/a-book-similar-to-the-quran/
Thank you very much for this response. It makes things a lot clearer
For someone who knows Arabic and is familiar with hadith studies, it shouldn’t be a difficult task to find primary sources with complete chains of narrators for the ahadith quoted in Kitab-i-Iqan (as a starting point) and other writings of Bahá’u’lláh and The Báb. Honestly, it surprises me that the references to the original sources are not mentioned in the officially published versions since this is something very fundamental. For any academic Muslim to treat the arguments made seriously, it is essential to provide him/her a source for the hadith mentioned in the writings. Otherwise they don’t take it seriously and rightly so.6ReplyShareReportSave
I think is translated differently? Also some tradition are oral .
Probably because most of the Shiah Hadith collections have not been translated yet into English. You won’t find any of those Hadiths in Sunni sources. Baha’u’llah exclusively quoted from Shiah Hadiths or ones that are used by the Sufis in their mystical writings. Some Hadiths have been altered by the Shiah (especially ones quoted by Baha’u’llah), so you’d need to find 19th century sources that have not been altered.
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https://www.quora.com/Where-in-the-writings-of-Bahaullah-does-he-claim-to-be-a-prophet
Brad Smith, I am a reader first before I became a writerAnswered October 12, 2017
Baha’u’llah during his lifetime made several claims for himself. Here is a some of those selection of his claims. This is one facet which the Baha’is do not reveal for their followers.
- It is mentioned in the Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics under the title ‘Bab’, that the Baha’is called Mirza Ali Mohammed Bab as “Rabbi-ul-Ala” (The Most Elevated Lord).
- Baha’u’llah mentions in Aqdas, page 43, “There is no God but I the Honored, the Wise.”
- He again writes in Aqdas, page 144 “Accept whatever is commanded by Baha (himself) the Lord of Eternity.”
- In Aqdas, page 8, Baha’u’llah says, “We have sent down all the Messengers and we have revealed all the Books.”
- In Istaqaaraat, page 34, Baha’u’llah writes, “The Master of Eternity lies in prison” (referring to his imprisonment and confinement).
- In his Tablets, Page 217, Baha’u’llah writes, “All, save me are created from my command.”
- In his Al-Mubeen, page 34, Baha’u’llah writes, “All praise is for you O Baha’u’llah, the Creator of existence.”
- In the same book, page 190, he says, “Obey the commands of your Elevated, Splendorous God, Baha’u’llah.
- Again in Al-Mubeen, page 297, Baha’u’llah again refers to himself as, “You Most Beneficent Lord, Baha’u’llah”,
- In his Tajalliyaat (Tajalli number 4), page 5, Baha’u’llah decrees, “Most surely I am Allah. There is no God save me. I am the Lord of everything. The O my creatures, you worship me alone.”
- Abdul Baha writes in Badaaé-ul-Asaar, page 139, “Baha’u’llah is unique, incomparable. It is necessary for everyone to turn towards Baha’u’llah in his prayers.”
- In Maftoon, page 15, Bahaullah writes to his son Abdul Baha, “This is a letter from Allah, the Honored and the Wise (Baha’u’llah) to Allah the Gracious, the Aware (Abdul Baha).” Thus not only did the father, but even the son claimed divinity for himself.
Now here is an important point to note. Baha’is do not present the belief of Divinity of Baha’u’llah before everyone. It is only revealed to those who are firm in the Baha’i faith. Most Baha’is till date remain ignorant of these claims. Even the Baha’i preachers refuse to openly acknowledge that Baha’u’llah made claims of divinity.
To a Muslim, Baha’u’llah is Imam Mahdi, to a Christian, he is Jesus Christ, to a Jew he is Yehuda, to a Parsi, he is Behram, and to a Hindu, he is Kilankari Avtaar.
https://www.quora.com/Where-in-the-writings-of-Bahaullah-does-he-claim-to-be-a-prophet
Maymoon Jawaheri, lives in Germany (2000-present)Answered November 23, 2017
Mirza Hossain Ali Noori never claimed himself to be a prophet.
Roger Spielberg, Extensive study of Persian, Arabic, and English Baha’i scripture and historyAnswered October 11, 2017
I don’t know but I do know that he claims in the most explicit manner that he is God. While he was imprisoned he would state:
“There is no God but me the lonely, the imprisoned.” (Baha’u’llah, Athar-i Qalam-i A`la (Canada: Mu’assisiyi Ma`arif Baha’i, 1996), vol. 1, no. 39, p. 226.)
Safir Zarandi, Archeology Professor at Institute of Archeology (2012-present)Answered November 30
Prophethood is a station given to Bahaullah by his followers.
In reality Bahaullah claimed divinity.
Baha’is have resorted to a middle way and called Bahaullah a Menifestation of God which is against what is mentioned in their most holy book ‘Kitab e Aqdas’.
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