Posts Tagged ‘Bahaism’

Quotes Series: From Quran- Authored by G-d not by Muhammad

December 4, 2019

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/quotes-series-from-quran-authored-by-g-d-not-by-muhammad.227090/page-14#post-6426040

Quotes Series: From Quran- Authored by G-d not by Muhammad
Post #272 

Paarsurrey wrote:

“Usually a direct word will be prefaced by the word “say.” ”

Quran is authored by G-d as per the criterion suggested by our Christian friend @xxxxxx in post #97 in this thread . G-d tells Muhammad with the word “say” and or “قُلۡ” in Arabic original language and I have quoted many such verses in my previous posts .
Yet there are other styles (many of them) that depict that the Converse is direct from G-d with Muhammad. Since I daily read some portion of Quran(1/120) very early in the morning, so I will be quoting as I observe them while I read Quran. The words “اَلَمۡ تَرَ” or “Dost thou” is another style of direct address to Muhammad by G-d. And “یٰۤاَیُّہَا النَّبِیُّ” or “O thou Prophet” is yet another one:

[33:17]قُلۡ لَّنۡ یَّنۡفَعَکُمُ الۡفِرَارُ اِنۡ فَرَرۡتُمۡ مِّنَ الۡمَوۡتِ اَوِ الۡقَتۡلِ وَ اِذًا لَّا تُمَتَّعُوۡنَ اِلَّا قَلِیۡلًا ﴿۱۷﴾
Say, ‘Flight shall not avail you if you flee from death or slaughter; and even then you will enjoy but a little.’
[33:18]قُلۡ مَنۡ ذَا الَّذِیۡ یَعۡصِمُکُمۡ مِّنَ اللّٰہِ اِنۡ اَرَادَ بِکُمۡ سُوۡٓءًا اَوۡ اَرَادَ بِکُمۡ رَحۡمَۃً ؕ وَ لَا یَجِدُوۡنَ لَہُمۡ مِّنۡ دُوۡنِ اللّٰہِ وَلِیًّا وَّ لَا نَصِیۡرًا ﴿۱۸﴾
Say, ‘Who is it that can save you against Allah if it be His wish to do you harm or if it be His wish to show you mercy?’ And they will not find for themselves any friend or helper other than Allah.
The Holy Quran – Chapter: 32: As-Sajdah

Right, please?
For the context of the above verses , please, access the above link.

  1. Is there any such verse in the Torah of the Judaism where G-d has directly addressed Moses, please?If yes, please quote it here. Right, please?
  2. Is there any such verse in the Bible of the Christianity where G-d (not Jesus, as Jesus was never god or son of god) has directly addressed Jesus, please?If yes, please quote it here. Right, please?
  3. Is there any such verse in Kitab-i-Iqan by Bahaullah (where G-d has directly spoken to Bahaullah, Bahaullah was never a god), there cannot be any verse as G-d did not speak to Bahaullah directly? If there is any, please quote it here. Right, please?
  4. Kitab-i-Iqan was written by Bahaullah in 1862 (not revealed by G-d ) and the Covenant was taken by Bahaullah (without any direct Converse/Commandment of G-d, as I understand) in 1863. Therefore, if there had been any direct Converse from G-d Bahaullah would have mentioned it in Kitab-i-Iqan. In the Pre-Covenant period, Kitab-i-Iqan is the only core book of Bahaullah. Right,please?

Regards
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I observe that Quran right from its start to its end is a direct Converse and in a sense a continuous dialogue between G-d and Muhammad providing live guidance, and through Muhammad to his companions, to the other people of his time and the world at large and for all times to come to all humanity. Right, please?

  • “یٰۤاَیُّہَا الرَّسُوۡلُ ” translated in English with the words “O Messenger” is another style, please refer my post #243 .
  • “وَ لَوۡ تَرٰۤی “/ “If only thou couldst see” as mentioned in post #255.
  • Another mode of direct Converse is direct commandment as in the verse [32:31] “فَاَعۡرِضۡ” , “وَ انۡتَظِرۡ” So turn away from them, and wait #261.

It is His mercy that G-d sends His Messengers

November 30, 2019

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/bahai-and-science.227398/#post-6411453

#18 paarsurrey

“He (G-d) just doesn’t need messengers.”

I agree with one here. G-d does not need any Messengers/Prophets, it is His mercy that G-d sends His Messengers for us human beings guidance:

  1. But Bahaullah did not claim in unequivocal terms to be a Messenger/Prophet of G-d in Kitab-i-Iqan – one of the most famous and core book of Bahaullah. If yes then Bahaullah’s followers to please quote from Kitab-i-Iqan in this connection, please.
  2. Moreover Bahaullah was never a Bahai. If he ever said so, then also Bahaullah’s followers to please quote from Kitab-i-Iqan in this connection, please.
  3. Some Bahais believe that Bahaullah was god. If yes, then he could not claim and cannot be a truthful Messenger/Prophet , as both are distinct from one another.Right, please?
  4. etc, and etc

Regards

instead of Abdul Baha , Shoghi Effendi and the UHJ following Bahaullah; Bahaullah has to follow them

May 30, 2019

 

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/my-current-version-of-hinduism.221194/#post-6123270

#5paarsurrey

I understand Bahaullah did not claim in straightforward manner anything of the sort in his core book Kitab-i-Iqan or “Book of Certitude”, please.

Regards

 

Bahaullah’s claims in Iqan are “implied”,none is unequivocal

May 20, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/bahaullah-kitab-i-iqan-%E2%80%9Cbook-of-certitude%E2%80%9D.220566/page-3#post-6111585

Regards

“the door to the knowledge of God is closed”

#50paarsurrey, 

It is a meaningless concept. Nobody can close the door to knowledge of God as nobody has hegemony on God-Allah-YHVH, He can give knowledge to anybody and anytime .
If Bahaullah said it, it means that he found God’s door closed for knowledge for himself (Bahaullah) and his blind-faith followers. Right, please?

Regards

Bahaullah: Gawhar Khanum

May 17, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/bahaullah-gawhar-khanum.220335/page-6#post-6106497

#109paarsurrey

Bahaullah: Gawhar Khanum

I started this thread with simple questions:
Bahaullah got married with his third wife, Gawhar Khanum:

  1. who did solemnize this marriage?
  2. and on what tradition?
  3. It sure happened in the post Iqan period.

It is important to ascertain the religion Bahaullah himself followed till then.

Later with some research on internet about Gawhar Khanum- third wife of Bahaullah, I find some startling things about Bahaullah and his relationship with Gawhar Khanum :

  1. “Bahaullah’s third marriage was contracted when he lived in Baghdad. Although details are sketchy, it seems that relatives of Bahaullah arranged the marriage in Kashan, Persia, where the woman, Gawhar Khanum lived. She was then sent with her brother to Bahaullah in Baghdad. This arrangement was meant to honor both Bahaullah and Gawhar Khanum. For Bahaullah to have refused her hand in marriage would have been highly disrespectful to those involved and especially damaging to the woman’s reputation.”
  2. “Bahá’u’lláh also married Gawhar Khánum, a widow of a martyr. Her age was not known, the couple also only had one child; Furúghíyyih. Gawhar Khánum was a maid to Ásíyih Khánum.”

Regards

It seems Bahaullah and his followers suppressed information about Gawhar Khanum and as to how Bahaullah unjustly and inhumanly dealt with her.

The above information suggests following questions/apprehensions:

  1. Gawhar Khánum was a maid to Ásíyih Khánum, how come Bahaullah established relationship with Gawhar Khánum?
  2. If the relationship was disrespectful to Gawhar Khánum, why it was not disrespectful to the other party , namely, Bahaullah?
  3. Why Gawhar Khánum’s brother had to intervene in the matter and had to ask Bahaullah to regularize it?
  4. Later when the baby-girl was of 2/3 years of age or even less, why did Bahaullah desert Gawhar Khánum and her little child to live with her (Gawhar Khánum’s) brother?
  5. What provisions did Bahaullah make for the upbringing of the baby-girl and Gawhar Khánum while they lived with her brother.
  6. Was Gawhar Khánum forced to become a Bahai?
  7. Later Gawhar Khánum and her girl-child from Bahaullah were excommunicated to deprive them their rights in Bahaullah’s property/inheritance ?

Were all the above acts just and humane, please?

Regards

 

Shoghi Effendi wrongly translates Iqan

May 16, 2019

Religious Forums

#30paarsurrey

I am now at page 53 of Kitab-i-Iqan-Farsi.

At passage # 76 is written:

“Knowledge is the most grievous veil between man and his Creator.”

There are no words in Farsi-Iqan which have been translated by Shoghi Effendi as “between man and his Creator.
Further, “Knowledge is the most grievous veil” is neither a verse of Quran nor it is Hadith. Right, please?

Regards

“The followers of Baha’u’llah are called Baha’is.” Not exactly.

May 13, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/was-bahaullah-a-bahai-please.220052/page-8#post-6102436

“The followers of Baha’u’llah are called Baha’is.”

#151paarsurrey 

Not exactly.
Whom they follow who call themselves Atheist or Agnostic or Skeptic?
Those who follow Atheism or Agnosticism or Skepticism are called Atheist or Agnostic or Skeptic.

Did Bahaullah proclaim that he was a Bahai or First Bahai or he was devising a new religion named Bahaism?
If yes, please quote from him.
Anybody please

Regards

 

References to the quotes in Iqan must be provided

May 11, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/bahaullah-gawhar-khanum.220335/page-5#post-6099973

“The effort would be better spent looking for those references now, rather than saying they were wrong or did not exist.”

#99paarsurrey

That effort must have been made by the followers of Bahaullah, now it should be more easy. The books have been published and most if not all, I understand, are available even online. The references of all such Shia/Islam Ahadith/Narrations should be provided in the Arabic text. Now more than a century has passed, yet it has not been done. How much time Bahaullah’s followers want to take while they say Iqan is their core religious book?

I also understand that in the first hand-written or dictated Iqan had many mistakes even in the Quranic verses quoted and Bahaullah had to correct these later.

Regards

 

Bahaullah misunderstood/misinterpreted/misrepresented many Quranic verses in Iqan

May 11, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/bahaullah-gawhar-khanum.220335/page-5#post-6099312

“misinterpretations about the truth of God”

#95paarsurrey

The points mentioned in your post has prompted me to
ask my Bahai friends here, do they believe that there have been any additions/subtractions in Quran?

My understanding as far as the misinterpretations are concerned, Bahaullah himself misunderstood/misinterpreted/misrepresented many Quranic verses he quoted in Iqan. Bahaullah was not much different than the contemporary divines/clergy against whom he had many complaints.

Right, please?

Regards

 

“God Passes By”

May 10, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/bahaullah-gawhar-khanum.220335/page-5#post-6098683

“God Passes By”

#87paarsurrey

What is this God that has passed by?
Does it means death of Bahaullah?

Anybody, please

Regards

“God sends His Messengers in each age God choose to do so.”

#89paarsurrey

How does that one get from the words “God passes by”? I am asking because English is not my mother-tongue.

Regards

#91paarsurrey

We change the phrase “God passes by” with “Tom* passes by” or “Tom passed away”, what will this/these new phrases mean, please?

Regards
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*Tom, Dick and Harry