Is faith the backbone of Science?

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#1 paarsurrey

Is faith the backbone of Science?
Please

Regards

#3 l.……. wrote:

No. Science uses the scientific method of repeated experimentation and observation to battle any use of faith. When a “scientific theory” is presented, scientists scramble to do their best to disprove it.

Paarsurrey comments: #20

“repeated experimentation and observation to battle any use of faith.”

1. Does repeated “experimentation and observation” make it immune from the errors or blunders?
2. After how many experimentation the result understood/interpreted will be considered 100% correct?
3. Has it ever happened that the result understood to be correct was later found to be erroneous?
4. The word “repeated” shows that doubt was there in the very first place, and it was only out of faith that the  exercise was continued. Science is, therefore, the fruit of faith.
5. It is not a “battle” with faith, rather it is battle with doubt. Human conscience reject doubt, faith generates peace and  progress .

So, it is faith and faith alone in the “experimentation and observation” that science, the scientists and the people dealing in science that science “works”  and continues its endeavors. Please

Right? Please

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http://teacher.nsrl.rochester.edu/phy_labs/AppendixE/AppendixE.html

 

 

There are people who take science as a religion/faith and believe it as a fact

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#167

ben d said: ↑

No confusion here….it is you who does not understand….I have referred to big bang theory as a theory consistently….and I do not believe it is credible. There are others who believe the theory is credible, and others again who are agnostic…

Are you denying that there aren’t people who believe in the big bang theory as a scientific fact?

Paarsurrey wrote:

Sure there are people who take science as a religion/faith and believe it as a fact. They are mythical about science as there are people who are mythical about religion. Both sides abound with such people.

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Post #168

ben d said: ↑

Theory….A tentative insight into the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena..

Paarsurrey wrote:

I agree with you.
There is no big difference between a belief and theory, I think.

Regards

“Cyber Dialogue: The Future of Inter-Religious Engagement”

“PATHEOS” have provided a platform where adherents of different religions get together and share their views for peaceful co-existence in this world; they have given different articles under series “Future of Religion”.

I have written a comment on one of the articles “Cyber Dialogue: The Future of Inter-Religious Engagement” By Joshua M. Z. Stanton. I give below a link to the article and a passage from it together with my comments for benefit of the viewers of this blog.

http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Cyber-Dialogue-Future-of-Inter-Religious-Engagement.html

http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Cyber-Dialogue-Future-of-Inter-Religious-Engagement.html#comment-1231048679

“In fact, social networking sites may be of tremendous help to religious communities. They bring together people with strong religious convictions more than ever before. Just have a look at the “Jesus Daily” fanpage on Facebook, which has almost 3,000,000 members, or the fanpage for “Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him),” which has nearly 130,000. Imagine a religious congregation with 130,000 or even 3,000,000 members! The hundreds of thousands of people gathering on these fanpages are truly becoming a community of people looking for religious inspiration and companionship, who have found it together online.” Unquote

paarsurrey

I like the article and I intend to publish a passage from it with a link to this article on my blog “paarsurrey” ; my blog is also for inter-faith and inter-religious dialogue.

Thanks and regards.

http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Cyber-Dialogue-Future-of-Inter-Religious-Engagement.html#comment-1231048679

Self-Reformation: Resolve, Faith & Rehabilitation

Friday Sermon: Self-Reformation: Resolve, Faith & Rehabilitation
Sermon Delivered by Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad, Head of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.

http://www.alislam.org/friday-sermon/2014-01-17.html

Translation available in following languages:
Urdu, Albanian, Arabic, Bengali, Bosnian, Bulgarian, French, German, Malayalam, Russian, Spanish, Swahili, Tamil, Turkish; please access the website and click on the language of your choics.

Synopsis:
English

As we have established, the first thing needed for reformation of practices is strength of resolve. What is strength of resolve? Many will say strength of resolve is self-explanatory, it is obviously the strength to resolve and conclude something, then why the question! Let it be clear, as Hazrat Musleh Maud(ra) has beautifully explained, that the connotation of strength of resolve alters in accordance with the action it is about. With this basic point in mind, we can appreciate that in religious matters strength of resolve is iman (belief).

The Companions used to drink alcohol and we know what alcohol does to people. Those living in these [Western] countries often see drunks out and about. There is a drunk who roams the streets around our Fazl Mosque. He carries nothing but cans of alcoholic drinks and his clothes are filthy. Huzoor came to know that he is an educated man who perhaps once was an engineer. He does not work now, is perhaps of pensionable age.

A Tradition relates that once before the commandment regarding prohibition of alcohol was revealed, Companions were drinking in a house. They had emptied one pitcher of alcohol and were about to open the second when a voice came from the street that the Holy Prophet(saw) had said that God had commanded him that consumption of alcohol was prohibited for Muslims from that day onwards.

There was a time when effort was made to prohibit public consumption of alcohol in USA. It turned people to consume spirits which is harmful and people started dying. Hazrat Musleh Maud(ra) wrote that because there was lack of faith the worldly law did not work. The government then passed a law which made alcohol available on doctor’s permission justifying its use. As a result thousands of doctors started writing bogus certificates to boost their income until the law had to capitulate.

Let it be clear that there are some reasons for weakness in capacity to implement matters. For example, habit. A person may have strength of resolve and also knowledge but owing to his habit, he shows weakness in his practice. A person knows that God’s nearness and love can be attained, but his love for material things or fear of material loss is overpowering and he is thus deprived of God’s love and nearness. For such people external rather than internal remedy is required and it alone can bring betterment to their capacity to implement matters.

In any case there are three types of people in this world and there are [spiritual] ailments. There are people whose practices are weak because their faith is not complete. There are people whose practices are weak because their knowledge is not complete and then there are people who have faith and knowledge but their hearts are so corroded that both these aspects are not sufficient and they need support.
Martyrdom of Arsalan Sarwar in Rawalpindi, Pakistan.

FAITH OR SUPERSTITION?

Mirza Bashir Ahmad, an able son of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi has written a good note on the above topic, I want that the viewers enjoy it reading:

“Some Western scholars would be quick to point some nations in the past which, according to them, did not believe in God. This is a misconception, and it arises from the fact that they attribute the polytheistic beliefs of some of these nations to fear, ignorance, and superstitions and thus wrongly conclude that belief in One God never existed in them. The fact is that though polytheism is born out of ignorance, it is still an offshoot and a distortion of belief in One God and it can never arise without being preceded by the latter. There been many nations in history which believed in one God to begin with, but this belief slowly degenerated into polytheism which at times became so dominant that belief in one God virtually disappeared.

In view of this, we would be justified to assume that the nations cited by the Western scholars initially believed in one God and only later did polytheism creep into them. Moreover, the examples they give us are derived from nations whose early history has not been preserved, and there is nothing to prove that these people were always polytheists. When we further delve into the matter, we find that polytheism can never be born out of mere ignorance, fear, or superstition, unless there first exists belief in One God. It is true that when someone sees something powerful and awe inspiring, he may submit to it, but, if he has previously been unaware of the concept of worship, it is impossible for him to just start worshipping something. He cannot just take something for his God because it inspires him with awe. He can only worship it if he already knows the concept of worship.

Let us remember that human imagination cannot create; it can only imitate. If one has seen, heard, or experienced something, only then can his mind make an imaginative sketch of it, and expand it. But if he has never seen or heard about a thing, and has no concept of it whatsoever, his mind can never create an imaginary sketch of it. Therefore, when we find the concept of divinity and worship present in every nation in one form or another, we are left with no choice but to acknowledge that every nation believes in principle in the existence of God.

It might have struck some people that in the beginning of this book I said that most people nowadays do not believe in God and all nations have become victims of atheism, why then am I saying now that all nations believe in God and atheism has never achieved universal acceptance?

The fact is that whenever we say that all nations have become victims of atheism, we only mean that they have lost true faith. But in the context of the present discussion, we are only talking of the customary profession of faith. Therefore, my two statements are not contradictory; both of them are true in their own context. It is true that most people of this age do not truly believe in God and their faith is not a living truth guiding their lives, and it is also true that all nations of the world have always believed in God, no matter how weak, dying and polytheistic their faith has been.

The universal belief in God in every age, therefore, proves that this belief is based upon the truth.

Conversely, it also proves that atheism is based on falsehood and misconception.”

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/OurGod.pdf

The Prophetic Burial of Jesus

Truth Matters says:

In John 19:38 we are introduced to a man named Joseph of Arimathea. Joseph is somewhat of a mysterious character. He is mentioned in all four of the gospels, but only in relation to the burial of Jesus. Other than at this time, we know very little else about him.

But I wonder, Why would Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all make sure to mention him when talking about the burial of Jesus…

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Paarsurrey says:

Jesus was put on the cross; but he was delivered near-dead from the cross; his friends knew that he was alive and took him hurriedly to a solitary tomb which was prepared by Joseph of Arimathea for his own burial . Jesus was treated there; later he migrated to India to convey the message entrusted to him by the one true creator God to the lost tribes of the house of Israel. One may like to view the above video.

Paarsurrey says:

Jesus was put on the cross; but he was delivered near-dead from the cross; his friends knew that he was alive and took him hurriedly to a solitary tomb which was prepared by Joseph of Arimathea for his own burial . Jesus was treated there; later he migrated to India to convey the message entrusted to him by the one true creator God to the lost tribes of the house of Israel.

One may like to view the following link.

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=V.4504227657089439&pid=2.1&w=186&h=105&c=4&rs=2

Buddhists and Christians have only second-hand scriptures from Buddha and Jesus

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbreligion/F2213233?thread=7485900&post=96539846#p96539846

genkaku wrote:

Hi Ahmadi — l think you make an excellent point. To my knowledge, there are no written documents ascribed to Gautama Buddha, any more than there are historical documents attributed to Jesus’ hand … or for all I know, any of the other prized ‘religious’ leaders of this world. Much of what is written, was written by others, sometimes hundreds of years after the man himself lived. Often what is written was based on a strong oral tradition, but that doesn’t change the fact … it’s all second-hand.

Paarsurrey says:

I thank you for appreciating my point; neither Buddhists nor Christian have anything written by their masters from them; all they have a second-hand thing which they think is first hand; how erroneous they are? Aren’t they ?

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Jesus neither God nor Son of God or a part of Trinity

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbreligion/F2213234?thread=7486569&post=96539227#p96539227

@jayveezed and trippymonkey

Are you saying you don’t believe Jesus was the son of God and that he never referred to himself as being God?

Paarsurrey wrote:

Jesus never meant that he was Son of God or God literally or physically; he only meant symbolically like it is said man is created in the image of God which only means that man should acquire attributes of God as far as possible; it should be man’s goal.

This is clarified by Jesus himself in many a verses; I just quote from John:

John 10:31-35

31 The Jews then took up stones to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them: Many good works I have shewed you from my Father; for which of these works do you stone me?33 The Jews answered him: For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, maketh thyself God. 34 Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law: I said you are gods? 35 If he called them gods, to whom the word of God was spoken, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Unquote

The Christians are at fault to make Jesus a part of Trinity or God in literal terms; they should refrain from it.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Quran is authored by the Creator- God Allah YHWH

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbreligion/F2213235?thread=7486003&skip=80&show=20

trippymonkey wrote:

Could the people reading to him (Muhammad) actually read Aramaic or Greek or did they rely on translated versions?

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend trippymonkey

Muhammad did not know how to read and write;
he or his companions around him did not know Greek or Aramaic; he never studied them nor he had even any translated versions with him; he did not need them; because he did not author Quran.

The Creator- God Allah YHWH who knows everything of the past, present and future, He authored it with all the systems existing in it which are not to be found in other scriptures.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim