Who is a Christian? : Who should not morally claim to be a Christian? : There is no real “Christian” among “Christians”

I wrote following posts at the blog “debunking christianity”:

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.ca/2014/04/what-is-true-christian.html
http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.ca/2014/04/what-is-true-christian.html#comment-1372680827

paarsurrey
@Dan Wilkinson
“Anyone who wishes to claim that title for themselves can rightfully call themselves a Christian. They differ from the atheist, the Buddhist or any other system of beliefs insomuch as that they choose to align themselves under that designation.”

It is true that for census purposes anybody who declares to be a Christian would be counted as a Christian; it is one’s right to declare religion of one’s choice for one.

But for faith purposes there is a litmus test to know a Christian from say a Muslim.

And here is the test:

There is not a single Muslim in the world who believes that Jesus died on Cross, it is so clearly mentioned in Quran. So, according to Muslims Jesus never needed to be resurrected from the dead as he never died on the Cross in the first place. Hence Jesus was never God as per Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

There is not a single Christian, in my knowledge, who does not believe that Jesus died a cursed death on Cross for the sinful Christians; later as per the Christian faith Jesus got resurrected to life from the dead, and hence he was God and he sat on the right hand of God, assuming all-power.

This is, to me, the superstitious building blocks of Christian faith which the Christians have been made to believe by Paul in Rome.

In the same way the Mormons believe the later faith, so they are Christian for all practical purposes according to the litmus test to know a Christian from a Muslim or a Muslim from a Christians.

Otherwise, one would remain confused

Thanks

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.ca/2014/04/what-is-true-christian.html#comment-1364125373

paarsurrey
@ Dan Wilkinson

For census purposes it is correct to register anybody who wants to register as a Christian should be done accordingly.
Otherwise those who do not believe in the core teachings of Jesus; they must not morally claim to be Christians. The core teachings of Jesus are as follows:

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Matthew 22:36-40

http://www.biblegateway.com/pa…

The Christians; their 32000+ denominations; they don’t follow Jesus and the core teachings of Jesus; instead of following Jesus, they follow Paul.

Jesus did not believe in Trinity; he did not claim to be a literal and physical god or son of god; all these creeds were invented by Paul, Church and the scribes.

These creeds have nothing to do with Jesus.

Thanks

Litmus test for a Christian

I wrote following post on the topic “Are Mormons Christian?” quite sometimes back.

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=205854&page=2
http://forums.catholic.com/showpost.php?p=3093401&postcount=16

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Dec 17, ’07, 7:50 pm
paarsurrey

Re: Are mormons christian?
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Originally Posted by luvmykids
Do they call themselves Christian?

Hi

For sure they call themselves Christians and nobody legally, morally and rationally deny that right of expressing their faith as they believe, if there is any free will there.

They are not Muslims, definitely; first they don’t say that. Secondly the following litmus test to verify a Christian from a Muslim also proves that.

There is not a single Muslim in the world who believes that Jesus died on Cross, it is so clearly mentioned in Quran. So, according to Muslims Jesus never needed to be resurrected from the dead as he never died on Cross in the first place. Hence Jesus was never God as per Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

There is not a single Christian, in my knowledge, who does not believe that Jesus died a cursed death on Cross for the sinful Christians; later as per the Christian faith Jesus got resurrected to life from the dead, and hence he was God and he sat on the right hand of God, assuming all-power. This is, to me, the superstitious building blocks of Christian faith which the Christians have been made to believe by Paul in Rome.

The Mormons believe the later faith, so they are Christian for all practical purposes according to the litmus test to know a Christian from a Muslim or a Muslim from a Christians.

Otherwise, you would remain confused

Thanks

“What is a True Christian?”

I wrote following post on the above topic.

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.ca/2014/04/what-is-true-christian.html#comment-1364125373
paarsurrey
@ Dan Wilkinson

For census purposes it is correct to register anybody who wants to register as a Christian should be done accordingly.
Otherwise those who do not believe in the core teachings of Jesus; they must not morally claim to be Christians. The core teachings of Jesus are as follows:

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Matthew 22:36-40

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22:36-40

The Christians; their 32000+ denominations; they don’t follow Jesus and the core teachings of Jesus; instead of following Jesus, they follow Paul.

Jesus did not believe in Trinity; he did not claim to be a literal and physical god or son of god; all these creeds were invented by Paul, Church and the scribes.

These creeds have got nothing to do with Jesus.

Thanks

Converted from a Christian to Taoism and then to Atheism; under what principled approach?

I have asked this question from Richard Carrier:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/4458#comment-215829

paarsurrey
April 29, 2014 at 4:09 am (under moderation)

@Richard Carrier: April 28, 2014 at 9:36 am

I understand that you were born a Methodist Christian and decided to convert to Taoism at a very tender age of 15 years and then converted to Atheism at the age of 21 years.

Under what principled approach you did that on both occasions?

Regards

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I received a response from Richard Carrier that could be viewed at the following link:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/4458#comment-218567

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Atheism: leap in the dark

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

An address to friends

paarsurrey says:
April 17, 2014 at 20:05

@ makagutu with love
You were born as Christian and everybody around you was a Christian. Yet for some good or bad reasons you became disgruntled with Christianity, Bible and Church; not necessarily with Jesus or Moses.

I think it was a blind and or unreasonable decision; in other words it was not a scientific decision.*

“Whenever I read the bible, I find it full of absurdities that I can’t ignore.”

So:

1. You never finished reading Bible from cover to cover; hence your knowledge of what got revealed on Moses and Jesus remained, sorry to describe it, as shallow.
2. It did not occur to you that the denomination in which you were in; might be wrong; hence you should make a comparative study of the denominations of Christianity to find the truthful denomination from them.
3. You generalized the bitter experience you had of your specific denomination; to other denominations and in haste jumped out of it altogether.

I think yours was a leap in the dark.

Wasn’t it?

Regards

* Systematic approach to collecting facts and applying logical decision making techniques, instead of generalizing from experience, intuition (guessing), or trial and error.
Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/scientific-decision-making.html#ixzz2zA7jRXHz

An apologist lying through his teeth

Paarsurrey says:
I am here with you; Jesus was a Jew and followed the law given to Moses by the One-True-God; so if a Christian followed Jesus then he cannot go against the core teachings of Moses that are the same core teachings of Jesus; he was a perfect man of One-True-God and did not literally claim to be a god or son of god.

Random thoughts

If Jesus lived, he said[Mathew 5:17-19]

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So, a christian who makes a claim to the contrary is cherry picking what to follow and is lying in the process.

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Do Hindus & Muslims Talk to Demons?

paarsurrey says:
01/06/2014 at 7:32 pm

Quoting your words:
“If they constant worship someone other than Jesus, that presence can’t be the real God.”

I don’t quite understand your above sentence (or a part of it); Jesus did not claim to be a god or son of god in its literal sense. So even the Christians don’t converse with the One-True-God (Allah Yahweh Ahura-Mazda Parmeshawara); yet they don’t think that they talk to devil or demons.
Please elaborate.

Thanks

Triangulations

Of course they don’t!  But sadly enough, in my Christian days, that took me a while to understand.

As I traveled across Asia and met devote, kind, thoughtful, loving people who believed things very different from my Christian view, I began to doubt my version of Christianity. Many Hindus & Muslims claim to feel the presence of the Divine, or the presence of God but my Evangelical Christianity would not let me believe that. Sure, they may feel it for a moment, but if they constant worship someone other than Jesus, that presence can’t be the real God.

Simply put, here are the beliefs I was told and which I came to partially believed that led to that conclusion:

• there is only one god, his name is Yahweh/Jesus/Holy Spirit.
• there is only one way to heaven, that is by right belief in Jesus
• religions are all-or-nothing: right or wrong
• Christianity…

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Science and Naturalism

Paarsurrey says:
I like following points mentioned by you.

1. science is not bound to a particular philosophy

2. I will have to define some terms. When I say “science” I mean the scientific method. Science is (as I’ve said in previous blog posts) organized and methodical learning. Science is about asking questions, performing experiments, and then asking more and better questions based on the results. Science is tool, and it is a tool that is open to anyone who can think. Whether you are Hindu, Christian, or an atheist you can perform science. A scientist only needs to believe two things on faith; that nature is reasonable and that nature is understandable.

3. If everything has a reason then science as a concept will work; if everything just happens for no particular reason, if there are no “laws” defining how things work, then science is only an illusion.

4. To be a scientist you do not have follow any particular creed. That is why there are excellent scientists both past and present who are Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics, Muslims, Christians, etc. However this fact is not immediately apparent to all people.

5. Now it is understandable why so many people, if only unconsciously, believe that you must be a naturalist to be a scientist. That is because of the limits of science itself. Science can only tell us about things inside of nature; things we can observe and test. If there is a God outside of nature then science cannot prove his existence.

You have used simple words but have explained a lot; this bridges gaps between the Theists and the Atheists.

The Page Nebula

I recently had the pleasure of having an intellectual conversation with a friend who I had a disagreement with. It’s a rare pleasure to be sure, and the fact that it is rare probably says more about me than anything else. Most of my friends agree with me on the matters I care most about, and if there is disagreement we would rather not bring up the subject. This is, I think, typical of most Americans (or perhaps I should say most white Americans; African-American culture is more accepting in general of honest conflict between friends and family which is to their credit). The only reason I came into open argument with this friend was the fact that he repeatedly aired his contrary views on Facebook and it is infinitely easier to get into an argument over the internet than it is in person. On the internet I have all…

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“The Christian Disorder”

http://www.dogmadebate.com/2013/07/the-christian-disorder.html

I posted the following comments on David Smalley’s blog

@ David Smalley

paarsurrey said…

The points mentioned by you are of the individuals who follow a religion but they do not represent the religion.

An individual could have wrong concepts which were never presented by the original personage of the religion. Christianity is misrepresented by different denominations, they do not represent Jesus.I would therefore say that your refutation of Christianity is wrong unless you quote the original words of Jesus with the context and then refute them.

I don’t oppose you; I want that your refutation should be more reasonable.

July 17, 2013

Jesus in India

	Jesus in India Being an account of Jesus’ escape from death on the cross and of his journey to India by Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, The Promised Messiah and Mahdi Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam Read the book online in HTML format or PDF format . Read it in Urdu (Ruhani Khazain Volume 15) |Arabic
Table of Contents
Preface | Introduction Chapter One	Chapter Two Chapter Three	Chapter Four Appendix
This is an English version of an Urdu treatise written by the Holy Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908). The theme is the escape of Jesus from death on the cross, and his journey to India in search of the lost tribes of Israel. Christian as well as Muslim scriptures, and old medical and historical books including ancient Buddhist records, provide evidence about this journey. Jesus is shown to have reached Afghanistan, and to have met the Jews who had settled there after deliverance from the bondage of Nebuchadnezzar. From Afghanistan Jesus went on to Kashmir, where other Israelite tribes had settled. There he made his home, and there in time he died; his tomb has been found in Srinagar. Electronic version by http://www.alislam.org

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/index.html