Posts Tagged ‘atheism’

Atheists outperform theists at nearly all reasoning skills?!

May 2, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/atheists-outperform-theists-at-nearly-all-reasoning-skills.219942/page-12#post-6088758

#221 paarsurrey

Atheists outperform theists at nearly all reasoning skills

So, what? Does it prove that Atheism is reasonable, please.

Regards

“Is there a war on Christianity in America’s Left?”

May 1, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/is-there-a-war-on-christianity-in-americas-left.220245/page-14#post-6086987

#263 paarsurrey

Does one mean that people with No-Religion whatever nomenclature they have are inclining towards Extremism, please?
It is too bad. The world needs peace and justice. Right, please?

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Agnosticism/Skepticism/Atheism are totally wrong

April 30, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-i-could-never-be-a-christian-or-muslim.220091/page-5#post-6085973

#90 paarsurrey

Why I Could Never Be a Christian (or Muslim)?

There is no compulsion in Quran/Islam/Muhammad, so why should one become a Muslim? Please remain with Agnosticism/Skepticism/Atheism till one realizes that Agnosticism/Skepticism/Atheism are totally wrong . Right, please?

Regards

 

“How Should Atheism Be Taught?”

February 1, 2018

The endowment of the country’s first college chair for the study of the subject draws attention to the complexity of nonbelief in America today.

By ISABEL FATTAL 

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/01/how-should-atheism-be-taught/551885/

Paarsurrey comments:

I find following points interesting in the above article:

  1. 61 percentof “nones” said they believe in God
  2. When the New Atheism movement began, campus organizations such as the Secular Student Alliancestarted to grow in popularity, said Stephen LeDrew, a sociologist of secularism and atheism. After a while, though, many young people turned away due to what they perceived as the Islamophobia and misogyny of the New Atheist movement, a movement that they expected would align with progressive values. These kinds of concerns are compounded by the fact that self-identified atheists are disproportionately white, male, and highly educated when compared with the general public.
  3. “a philosophical approach to the world that emphasizes the methodologies of science, logic, and reason in facing up to questions of … how we should act in the world today,”
  4. Appignani was adamant that it is “strictly academic”; he said the point is that young people will now be “exposed” to the study of nonbelief and will “be able to choose” what they agree with—“and not be ostracized in the process.”https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/01/how-should-atheism-be-taught/551885/I

I agree with the point # 4 above that the students should have a chance to know about Atheism  and the Religion in the schools, colleges and the Universities before they are engaged in the pursuit of their active life and the professions .

 

 

Indiana School District Sticks to Its Guns

January 29, 2018

“Indiana School District Sticks to Its Guns After Atheist Group Demands Pastor-Led Program Be Banned”

https://ijr.com/the-declaration/2018/01/1055313-indiana-school-district-sticks-to-its-guns-after-atheist-group-demands-pastor-led-program-be-banned/

 

Paarsurrey comments:

Instead of complaining against religious education the Atheism people should ask room for imparting their own no-creeds stance. They don’t have anything like that so they only insist on not giving any religious education. In a way it only acknowledges their failure of their viewpoint. Right, please?

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“God does not exist” can be dismissed without evidence

December 9, 2017

Does one’s parents (father and mother) exist/existed? What evidence one sought of them when first time one got to know that they were/are one’s father and mother? At what age one got to know it, please?

Thread: ““God does not exist” can be dismissed without evidence “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Philosophy

Post 1: 
Paarsurrey Wrote:


The assertion “God does not exist” can be dismissed without evidence 

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
Christopher Hitchens

Right, please?

Regards

Post 4: 
Mr.X wrote:
What if someone gives their reasoning that God doesn’t exist?Also, by the same logic, the assertion “God DOES exist” can be dismissed without evidence

Paarsurrey wrote:

Does one’s parents (father and mother) exist/existed? What evidence one sought of them when first time one got to know that they were/are one’s father and mother? At what age one got to know it, please?

Regards

Status of women in ancient Atheism people’s civilizations

December 5, 2017

There existed no worthwhile Atheistic or Agnostic society in the ancient* in any large numbers. Had it been so?

I would like to know status of women in those cultures or civilizations. That is why sometimes I think that there was no worthwhile Atheist Agnostic culture anywhere in the world in the ancient times; might be no Atheist Agnostic existed in those times; and it might be simply a recent growth

Thread: “Status of women in ancient Atheism people’s civilizations Forum:Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Philosophy

Post 1:
Paarsurrey wrote:

There existed no worthwhile Atheistic or Agnostic society in the ancient* in any large numbers. Had it been so?

I would like to know status of women in those cultures or civilizations. That is why sometimes I think that there was no worthwhile Atheist Agnostic culture anywhere in the world in the ancient times; might be no Atheist Agnostic existed in those times; and it might be simply a recent growth. Right, please?
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

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*Ancient:
In the Adam’s times
In the Noah’s times
In the Pre-Veda period
In the Vedic period
In the Post-Veda period
In the times of Buddha
In the times of Krishna
In the times of Moses
In the times of Zoroaster
In the times of Jesus
In the times of Socratess

Atheism- as a counter-reaction of the wrong creeds of Christianity

November 5, 2017

Later when people in the West realized the wrong concepts of Christianity they altogether denied G-d and started becoming atheists; a counter-reaction of the wrong creeds of Christianity.

Thread: “Atheists believe there is no God” “What a hoary canard it is
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Science and Religion

Post 298: 

[Replying to post 295 by paarsurrey1]

Quote:
Atheism as admitted here by them is a position/no-position of ignorance, so in ignorance they see things topsy-turvy and in the whimsical ways …

D——s wrote:

I beg to differ. I was raised in a very Christian household and was saturated with the subject from birth until I left for college at age 18. It was Sunday school and the main service every Sunday morning, another service on Sunday night, then again on Wednesday night. We had two full weeks of “vacation bible school” in the summers, a week or so at a place called the Missionary Plantation Bible Camp in the mountains of NC each summer (where the first seed was planted in my head that something was seriously wrong with this whole idea), a prayer (“grace” or “the blessing’) before every meal, more religion in the boy scouts, and on and on and on. I think before it was all over I’d read the bible through twice, and I would not call myself ignorant of Christianity by age 18 … at least the Presbyterian/Baptist version prevalent throughout the U.S. southeast where I grew up. But there was nothing at all taught about other religions, other than that they were all “wrong.”‘

I eventually decided to study the different religions of the world, their origins and general beliefs, etc., and came to the conclusion that there is zero evidence for any of the thousands of gods that humans have invented in their heads over the millennia, including the Christian/Islam/Jewish flavor, or any other, having ever existed. These stories were mostly developed while humankind was scientifically illiterate and thus had no understanding of how nature worked, and gods were a convenient explanation at the time, and people in power came to realize that organized religion could be a useful tool for control of populations. So the various religions became entrenched and as has been pointed out on these forums many times most people adopt the religion of their parents or region as young children, and stay with it. Just look at a map of the distribution of religions:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm

So it is not always ignorance that causes people to reject religions ideals … just the opposite. Simple analysis of the probability that any of them are actually true shows that the probabilities are so low that it is impossible to believe them.

paarsurrey1 wrote:

There is no compulsion to believe in Allah-the-One-True-God, he has given this option to every human being whether they believe in Him or not, and I am satisfied with it:

[76:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[76:2] There has certainly come upon man a period of time when he was not a thing spoken of.
[76:3] We have created man from a mingled sperm-drop that We might try him; so We made him hearing, seeing.
[76:4] We have shown him the Way*, whether he be grateful** or ungrateful^.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=76&verse=0
*the right path
**he becomes a believer
^ or denies to become a believer
OOOO
There could be others who have subscribed to Atheism and then they left it, totally disgusted with it.

I believe in one’s example my sentence in the last post fits, if one doesn’t mind, please :

Quote:
Later when people in the West realized the wrong concepts of Christianity they altogether denied G-d and started becoming atheists; a counter-reaction of the wrong creeds of Christianity.

If I may ask one:
Did one study Quran from cover to cover, please.

Regards

Belief in the One-True-God is the default position

November 5, 2017

Belief in the One-True-God is the default position; when one is off this position or derailed from the right path due to different factors one could become believer in many gods or just an atheist, not believing any gods. 

Thread: “Atheists believe there is no God” What a hoary canard it is

Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Science and Religion

 

Post 295: 

[Replying to post 292 by paarsurrey1]

Quote:
Though Atheism is not supported by any reasonable and positive evidence. It is just a claim without a positive reason. Right, please?

b—–b wrote:

No, not right, thank you.
Atheism arises as a result of the failure of theists to support their position by what would be considered reasonable and positive evidence. It requires no reason itself as it is the natural default position.

It is my opinion that all religious belief is the result of upbringing. Even if some people don’t accept the beliefs of their parents and peers fully, the seed is still there to allow acceptance under the right conditions later on. But for those who do develop strong beliefs from an early age, there is no question that the evaluation of evidence played any part in it. The question of evidence comes into play much later when those people try to shore up their beliefs by retrofitting whatever they can muster and claim as supporting evidence.

paarsurrey1 wrote:

Welcome to the forum and this thread also.
Atheism as admitted here by them is a position/no-position of ignorance, so in ignorance they see things topsy-turvy and in the whimsical ways, nevertheless they are lovely people:

Belief in the One-True-God is the default position 

Belief in the One-True-God is the default position; when one is off this position or derailed from the right path due to different factors one could become believer in many gods or just an atheist, not believing any gods.

Example:

Jesus was a Jew and believed in the one true G-d; he expressed this in a very clear and straightforward terms.

Yet Paul invented Trinity and made Christians believe in it; and later there were some Christian denominations that worshiped Mary also making into four deities.

Later when people in the West realized the wrong concepts of Christianity they altogether denied G-d and started becoming atheists; a counter-reaction of the wrong creeds of Christianity.

Regards

November 2, 2017

Atheism is definitely a position and a negative one, but they deny it to avoid the burden of proof for it. They cannot give proofs, the same kind of proofs they demand from the believers, the only thing they do is to deride and ridicule the believers and their religions and put one religion against the other. Their position is position of DOUBT and uncertainty. I believe that they just leapt into the dark and they made darkness as their abode.

Thread: “Atheists believe there is no God”
What a hoary canard it is Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Science and Religion

 

Post 256: 

H———-a wrote:
[Replying to post 1 by T—–i]

I disagree that not believing in God is not to hold a position. Atheists hold the positions that there is “no God”, this IS a position and so is a belief with a burden of proof as much as the position to believe in God.

This is why I could never agree with the notion that Agnostics or Skeptics should be labeled as Atheists.

For a belief is defined by something we are CONVINCED by,. Agnostics and skeptics are NOT convinced, and so should not be labelled theists or atheists.

Its completely false to claim there can only be two positions, or that atheism hold no position, and after years debating with them as I was labelled to be one I found proof of this over and over.

I am not convinced by either argument, though I think the argument for God is stronger than the argument against God, and the argument against religion is stronger than the argument for religion. But to call me an atheist when I have not dismissed the idea of God is ridiculous, just like it would be to call me a theist just because I think the argument for theism is stronger. That does not mean that I am CONVINCED by the argument that God exist or the argument that God doesn’t exist. In fact I am not.

If you look Atheism up you will find that the Christian are right on this point.

Atheism: “atheism is the rejection of belief that any deities exist.”

Rejection: “the dismissing or refusing of a proposal, idea, etc. ”

Belief: “acceptance/confidence that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.”

See Websters dictionary and Wikipedia.

So Atheism is to DISMISS ACCEPTANCE of God existing. That is not what agnostics do, hence agnostics should not be labelled atheists. Further, to dismiss acceptance IS a position, just like it would be to reject a law or marriage proposal. A position can be both in favor and against.

If theism is a 1 and Atheism is a rejection of 1 (-1), that does not mean everything can be labelled simply in two categories of 1 and -1. There is also 0. And what about those who don’t believe in God, but KNOW there is a God? Yes for a atheist that argument is dismissed on faith without proof, for we don’t know if anyone know there is a God or not.


Quote:
Atheists hold the positions that there is “no God”, this IS a position and so is a belief with a burden of proof as much as the position to believe in God.

Paarsurrey wrote:

I agree with one that Atheism is definitely a position and a negative one, but they deny it to avoid the burden of proof for it. They cannot give proofs, the same kind of proofs they demand from the believers, the only thing they do is to deride and ridicule the believers and their religions and put one religion against the other. Their position is position of DOUBT and uncertainty. I believe that they just leapt into the dark and they made darkness as their abode. Nevertheless, it is their choice and they are entitled to it. If one could believe in Atheism without any evidence/proof why one cannot believe in One-True-God.
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