Posts Tagged ‘Quran’

“Is the Quran fireproof?”

June 12, 2017

The above is a thread started by someone at my favorite discussion forum   (https://www.religiousforums.com/), for some good reasons which I don’t want to contest, I cannot presently participate in the discussion . One could participate in the discussion by clicking post #1 or just view the discussion at the forum.

I have liked following posts on the subject:

#12 , #16 and  #17 , 

OOOOOOOOOO

Paarsurrey comments:

Quran is a revelation that descended on the heart of Muhammad by God and the whole of it is memorized by heart by the Muslims, and those who cannot memorize it they at least memorize a part of it, from the times of Muhammad. If the intention of those who burnt it to destroy it, they cannot do it from the hearts of the Muslims.

As a second measure, Quran was also written down in the times of Muhammad and standardized by his Caliphs, and the non-standard copies were burnt by the Caliph themselves. So burning of Quran with a good intention is no wrong.

In fact, the worn out copies of Quran or torn pages of it are lawful to be burnt or to put them in a flowing stream or river or a lake or in the sea, to dispose them off.

It is the intention of those who do it, that matters. If the intention is wrong then it is just a childish measure done by some insane individuals, they must be answerable to the law of land where the bad act has been done.

Sure, it is a condemnable act.

OOOOOOOOO

One may like to view the following article:

Qur’an Disposal

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/2011/09/16/september-16-2011-quran-disposal/9519/

I give an excerpt from it:

“When Muslims want to respectfully dispose of a text of the Qur’an that is no longer usable, we will burn it. So if someone, for example, in their own private collection or library had a text of the Qur’an that was damaged or that was in disrepair, so the binding was ruined, etc., or it got torn, they might bring it by to the Islamic Center and ask that someone here dispose of it properly if they were unsure how to do that. And what I’ll do is I’ll take it to my fireplace at home and burn it there in the fireplace. So I sort of take the pages out and then burn it to make sure that it gets thoroughly charred and is no longer recognizable as script.”

Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/2011/09/16/september-16-2011-quran-disposal/9519/

One would also like to read the following comments on the above site:

Most Islamic scholars agree that burning old copies of the Quran, in a respectful manner in a clean place, is acceptable as a last resort. In this case, one must ensure that the burning is complete, meaning that no words are left legible and the pages have been fully destroyed. At no time should a Quran be burned with the regular trash. Some add that the ashes should then be buried or scattered in running water (see above).
The permission for this practice comes from the early Muslims, at the time of Caliph Uthman bin Affan. After the official, agreed-upon version of the Quran had been compiled in a consistent dialect of Arabic, the official version was copied while the old or nonconforming Qurans were burned.

As always in life, it is not the act as much as it is the intention.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/2011/09/16/september-16-2011-quran-disposal/9519/

 

 

 

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Multiple English translations of Quran

May 24, 2017

Blog Post # 2068

There are about 50+ English translations of Quran at the following website:

 Search IslamAwakened:
Just putting the chapter/verse in the Custom Search, one get all the translation at one page.
Amazing!
Thanks to Islam Awakened website.
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Is Quran self-explanatory?

October 28, 2016
 10/28/2016
Yes. It needs nothing to explain its contents and the meaning. Following peculiarities of Quran may be noted, please:
1. Quran is self-explanatory, it explains its meaning in the context verses, some verses preceding and some verses following of the verse in question, to make itself clear Quran explains the subjects in different verses of Quran in different styles. Its diction also becomes clear if one sees all the words of the word-roots used in Quran. Quran doesn’t need anything else in the exterior.
2. Quran corrects the history, rather history correcting it. Sure, the verses of Quran were revealed on a particular occasion, so all of it was practically required by the humans but the verses were arranged as per the guidance provided to Muhammad by G-d as to where they should find their placed while memorizing the Quran/Recitation and in the scripture that was written immediately by the appointed scribes.
3. Quran does make a constructive, objective and normative/principled criticism of the other Word Revealed, the people who believed in them and their tenets and as such corrects the narratives of Torah and other revealed scriptures of all religions of the world in some with names and others in generic formations.
4. Quran does include in it lasting teachings given to the past prophets that has similarity with Quran and also gives teachings that are not found in the past prophets and it is reasonable.
5. Quran confirms the truthfulness of the founders of other religions and binds Quran’s followers to accept them truthful and makes it one of the basic articles of faith of Islam. This way Quran elevates other revealed religions.
Please
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Quran has an amazing system

October 27, 2016

https://www.onfaith.co/discussion/quran-has-an-amazing-system

Added by Paarsurrey .
Author :paarsurrey
Like the universe has a system in it, likewise Quran has a system in it. One cannot create the universe, similarly one cannot create the system Quran has for the ethical, moral and spiritual issues of humanity. it has claims as well as the reasons in it, impossible for a human to do it. Muhammad or any other person could not have authored Quran. it is authored by G-d whatever the proper name of Him in any language that a people speak. Regards

Hot Debate : The contributions of Religion to sciences

November 26, 2015
Post #210

viole said:

violeGnostic Atheism
how can Islam promote illiteracy if it commands to read the Koran?

StopS said:

StopS

Excellent question. The Koran itself, the word as such, means “recitation”. It is an oral transmission, which was forced to be written down as the people who memorised it were killed in the various battles.
The Koran does not command anyone to read the Koran. Muhammad was illiterate and was allegedly asked to read by the angel used to transmit the Koran. The book only tells people to reflect, ponder and gain knowledge on the contents of the Koran.
Even today, the hafeez, the one who memorises the Koran is guaranteed a place in heaven. The effect is that the village elders today sit with a Koran and a pointing stick and follow the lines, reciting parts of the Koran. This is considered beneficial, even if nobody in this village can read or write. Only a fraction (~0.001%) of Muslims have studied ancient Arabic, so only very few can actually read the Koran in it’s original form.
So, if you can recite some of it and you know the contents you are eligible to go to heaven, no other education required.
I hope this clarifies it.

paarsurrey said:
[16:99]And when thou recitest the Qur’an, seek refuge with Allah from Satan the rejected.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=16&verse=98
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Paarsurrey wrote:

The triliteral root qāf rā hamza (ق ر أ) occurs 88 times in the Quran, in four derived forms:

  • 16 times as the form I verb qara-a (قَرَأَ)
  • once as the form IV verb nuq’ri-u (نُقْرِئُ)
  • once as the noun qurū (قُرُوٓء)
  • 70 times as the nominal qur’ān (قُرْءَان)

The translations below are brief glosses intended as a guide to meaning. An Arabic word may have arange of meanings depending on context. Click on a word for more linguistic information, or to suggestion a correction.

Verb (form I) – to read, to recite
(7:204:2) quri-a is recited وَإِذَا قُرِئَ الْقُرْآنُ فَاسْتَمِعُوا لَهُ وَأَنْصِتُوا لَعَلَّكُمْ تُرْحَمُونَ
(10:94:10) yaqraūna (have been) reading فَاسْأَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ
(16:98:2) qarata you recite فَإِذَا قَرَأْتَ الْقُرْآنَ فَاسْتَعِذْ بِاللَّهِ مِنَ الشَّيْطَانِ الرَّجِيمِ
(17:14:1) iq’ra Read اقْرَأْ كِتَابَكَ كَفَىٰ بِنَفْسِكَ الْيَوْمَ عَلَيْكَ حَسِيبًا
(17:45:2) qarata you recite وَإِذَا قَرَأْتَ الْقُرْآنَ جَعَلْنَا بَيْنَكَ وَبَيْنَ الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْآخِرَةِ حِجَابًا مَسْتُورًا
(17:71:11) yaqraūna will read فَمَنْ أُوتِيَ كِتَابَهُ بِيَمِينِهِ فَأُولَٰئِكَ يَقْرَءُونَ كِتَابَهُمْ
(17:93:18) naqra-uhu we could read it وَلَنْ نُؤْمِنَ لِرُقِيِّكَ حَتَّىٰ تُنَزِّلَ عَلَيْنَا كِتَابًا نَقْرَؤُهُ
(17:106:3) litaqra-ahu that you might recite it وَقُرْآنًا فَرَقْنَاهُ لِتَقْرَأَهُ عَلَى النَّاسِ عَلَىٰ مُكْثٍ
(26:199:1) faqara-ahu And he (had) recited it فَقَرَأَهُ عَلَيْهِمْ مَا كَانُوا بِهِ مُؤْمِنِينَ
(69:19:8) iq’raū read فَأَمَّا مَنْ أُوتِيَ كِتَابَهُ بِيَمِينِهِ فَيَقُولُ هَاؤُمُ اقْرَءُوا كِتَابِيَهْ
(73:20:26) fa-iq’raū so recite عَلِمَ أَنْ لَنْ تُحْصُوهُ فَتَابَ عَلَيْكُمْ فَاقْرَءُوا مَا تَيَسَّرَ مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ
(73:20:49) fa-iq’raū So recite وَآخَرُونَ يُقَاتِلُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَاقْرَءُوا مَا تَيَسَّرَ مِنْهُ
(75:18:2) qaranāhu We have recited it فَإِذَا قَرَأْنَاهُ فَاتَّبِعْ قُرْآنَهُ
(84:21:2) quri-a is recited وَإِذَا قُرِئَ عَلَيْهِمُ الْقُرْآنُ لَا يَسْجُدُونَ
(96:1:1) iq’ra Read اقْرَأْ بِاسْمِ رَبِّكَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ
(96:3:1) iq’ra Read اقْرَأْ وَرَبُّكَ الْأَكْرَمُ

http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=qrA
The triliteral root qāf rā hamza (ق ر أ) has both the meaning to recite and to read.
Regards

ReligiousForums.com

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/the-contributions-of-religion-to-sciences.181319/page-11#post-4520833

Hot Debate:Carbon dating of the Birmingham manuscript: Quran cannot be before Muhammad’s birth

September 29, 2015

Post #675

Paarsurrey wrote:

The carbon dating of the Birmingham manuscript, as is evident, is not correct to second/minute/hour/day/year extent, it only provides a range within which it could be possibly located. Rest is to be decided by the inner evidence from the text of the scripture.
The inner evidence rejects that Quran could be before Muhammad’s birth for the reasons I have mentioned. Similarly, Muhammad was a real and historic person, the ineer evidence of the Birmingham manuscript reject that Quran descended after Muhammad.
The only possibility is that it was descended on Muhammad within his life span, though codified later in the time of Caliph Uthmān. Birmingham manuscript is similar to Uthmān Codex without change.
One cold observe the correctness of my above expression from the following verse of Quran:
The Holy Quran : Chapter 10: Yunus
[10:3]Is it a matter of wonder for men that We have inspired a man from among them,saying, ‘Warn mankind and give glad tidings to those who believe that they have a true rank of honour with their Lord?’ The disbelievers say, ‘Surely, this is a manifest enchanter.’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=10

The OP or anybody else to tell us which other scripture could have come up with the above verse except Muhammad.
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Discussion forum <www.religiousforums.com>Thread: “Koran dated to before Muhamad birth”.

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How to read Quran?

September 27, 2015

Post #195

Paarsurrey wrote:

One has to adopt a proper measure to understand the truthful scripture, it is not like reading a novel or a story-book.
Please give it another try.
One should be clear of any bias while reading Quran.
Kindly start studying Quran from the beginning to the end, then read it again please and have a note-book with you while intently reading it. One should write down the valid question arising in one’s mind very naturally; this is not prohibited. If the context makes the questions clear or one realizes that one’s question is not valid; one could delete it and proceed further. This may take sometime of course; but it is worthwhile trying it, after all it is an oft quoted book of an important world religion.
I think it is not difficult to understand the verses by using a common sense approach which is generally helpful for understanding any book in the world.
A single verse without the text and the context could be sometimes misleading.
One cannot correctly understand the meaning of a word unless one knows the whole sentence in which it has been used; the value of a sentence could be best understood in a passage, and of a passage is best understood in a chapter. The reference with the context is therefore most essential for a meaningful understanding.
This helps to understand the verses; hence Quran is self-explanatory.
Quran in the very beginning make it known that it is a book for guidance to humanity to the righteous and as such it should be referred to in the ethical, moral and spiritual matters. Why persist to use it otherwise?
Another thing is that science is never final in anything; there is always a room for improvement in knowledge of science; nobody has closed yet the book of science; so why at all compare it with Quran.
Quran leaves the field of science open for search and research for the believers and the non-believers alike; it does not block science for investigation or oppose it.
Science does not have any absolute realities; it is a tool of human beings for physical advancements and with the available data it searches and researches till it matches with the nature; nature is the master. Nature existed when humans had virtually no knowledge of science; and science is subject to improvement as and when new data is obtained. It has no claims to perfectness.
It is therefore futile to look for any scientific mistakes in Quran; there is none there.
It provides guidance on temporal, moral and spiritual matters. Quran does not want that it should be believed only as a book of authority from an authority. It provides the wisdom to a thing and reason and logical arguments, in a way, that it is not a tedious book like the books of philosophy which are full with difficult terminology not understood by the common man. It mentions wisdom for the Philosophers, experts and the common people all at one and the same time; as it is guidance for everybody.
I think it appropriate here to suggest an on-line website for studying the same:
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/index.php
It is true that Quran if read in the Arabic language a little loudly in a manner that it does not disturb others has its own spell-bound charm; that cannot be denied.
Nevertheless; its real charm is its profound system of meaning conveyed in its message; one could benefit from it, in any language. Where-ever the translator has not been able to comprehend the meaning correctly, one could check the original Arabic word and find its etymology, available online.
I have personal experience of this; people borrow questions from unfriendly websites; but when referred to Quran, for the text and context, the questions become irrelevant.
I may add here that all translations, in fact, are commentaries as one could translate only to the extent one understands; if one does not understand fully one’s translation would be defective to that extent.
As is evident translations of Quran are not the real words of God; that is factual and reasonable; that does not mean that Quran should not be translated for understanding it.
When one has finished it, we can compare our notes with one another.

Regards

Discussion forum <www.religiousforums.com>Thread: “When science goes gibberish; what does it indicate?”.

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Oldest’ Koran fragments found in Birmingham University

July 22, 2015
<www.religiousforums.com>Thread:Oldest’ Koran fragments found in Birmingham University.
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Paarsurrey wrote:

It is a happy news.
Thanks and regards

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Quran secure and preserved from the times of Muhammad

July 7, 2015

<www.religiousforums.com> Thread:”It seems all religious books suffers from differences in terms of manuscripts and newer versions”.

Post #38

Paarsurrey wrote:

Quran is well preserved. There are/were never two Qurans in the world.
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Post #40

Paarsurrey wrote:

It is simply wrong.
Quran existed in the time of Muhammad; the Revelation was received and completed in 23 years of the ministry of Muhammad; and primarily committed to memory by the Muslims; only as a secondary measure it was also written down by the scribes as dictated to them by Muhammad.
Quran is a systematic Verbal Revelation; learnt by heart, as a sentence or more were revealed on Muhammad by G-d. Muhammad himself committed this Revelation to his memory and from him his companions did. And this system continues forth unimpaired till our times and in future also. Quran was never a written book sent down literally by G-d from the skies. So primarily Quran is a Verbal Revelation as the word “Quran” suggests means and conveys.
It is however the genius of Muhammad (peace be upon him); that though he was himself not well-versed in reading and/or writing, that he felt the importance of writing in the times to come in the world; so side by side as an auxiliary or secondary measure, never as the original in the first place; he also did whatever was possible to record this revelation in writing, so that both always existed supporting one another. This is another meaning; that this Verbal Revelation, having a system in it, in a would-be sense committed to writing was also called a book.
Anybody could go to any mosque in any part of the world to whatever denomination of Muslims, ask for Qari or Hafiz Quran there, he would recite verbally the Quran in Arabic, that would be the same as the written one. Easy to verify the system of preservation of Quran.
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Does the sun rise or does it set, in reality? Is there even a day in the Universe?

June 28, 2015

<www.religiousforums.com>Thread:”Does the Quran contradict itself”.

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Post #5

          Eyasha said:

Paarsurrey wrote:

If you would have pondered a little, you would have found no contradiction there.
Is there even a day in the Universe? Please
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Post #6

Paarsurrey wrote:

Does the sun rise or does it set, in reality? It doesn’t. It is only proverbial to say that it rises and sets and a day is mentioned for convenience of day-to-day life. If you are talking in terms of science then in space there is no time and there is no day. We get such expressions as “THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TIME”
“Scientists suggest spacetime has no time dimension”.

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Post #9
                   Paarsurrey wrote further:

I don’t agree with your thoughts.
Quran is not a book of science, primarily, it does not claim to be so. it deals in the ethical, moral and spiritual domains and it is quite clear in the context of the verses that spiritual matters are being discussed in it and earth and universe have been mentioned only in a passing way. No humans exited at the time when universe and earth was created so time scale is different when the creation began than it is now on earth.

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