Jesus did not die a cursed death on Cross – Sura 4:157-158 explains

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brooksrobinson Says:
July 11, 2008 at 5:20 pm

Ahmadi:

I mean no offense in this comment to you.
Your mistaken even in your own belief, Sura 4:157-158 “but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.

[4.158] Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.”
What disturbs me most about this verse, is that it paints Allah as a deceiver. Here he’s tricking mankind by making it appear as if Jesus was crucified, but in all actuality is expecting men to reject his trickery and accept that he went up to Heaven with Allah. Allah thus deceived many men, for Christianity spread rather quickly and it was 500years before Allah revealed that it was a trick through Muhammad. That is one reason why I reject the claims of Islam, because its 500years after the fact. Also notice how it says nothing about India in the Quran, just Jesus went to Allah. I notice also that in the foot notes of the book linked that the author did not seem to use the Quran. This also goes against what I’ve seen many Islamic Theologians state to what happened, Jesus either was on the cross(Some say stake) and taken up to heaven before death by Allah, or that Judas actually replaced Jesus on the cross or stake and died in his place, and Allah made Judas look like Jesus.

paarsurrey Says:
July 12, 2008 at 11:10 am

Hi

The Christians and many Muslim believed that JesusYeshuaIssa went physically or literally to heaven till such time that GodAllahYHWH revealed Word from him on the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 that:

1. Jesus s/o Mary did not die a cursed death on Cross.
2. Jesus did not go to heaven or sky physically or literally direct from from the Cross or before Crucifixion or someone else was crucified in Jesus’ place as some Muslims believed.
3. Or that Jesus was laid dead in the tomb where he resurrected from the dead and mythically went to heaven as believed by many Christians.

GodAllahYHWH revealed on the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 the true and correct understanding of the verses in Quran for Muslim as well as correct understanding of verses of NTBible which prove undoubtedly that Jesus never died on the Cross but he lived longer and was saved a cursed death on Cross. Jesus died a natural death in India and is buried at Mohallah Khanyar, in Sirinagar, in India.
Presently I give correct understanding of the verses of Sura 4:157-158/159 of Quran as explained by the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 in his own words:

Almighty God says in the Holy Quran: The Jews neither murdered Jesus, not did they kill him on the Cross; no, they only suspected that Jesus had died on the Cross; they did not have proof which could have convinced and satisfied them that Jesus (on whom be peace) had really died on the Cross.
In these verses Almighty God states that although it is true that Jesus was apparently placed on the Cross, and that they were determined to kill him; yet, it is wrong for Jews and Christians to suppose that Jesus did really die on the Cross. No, God created circumstances which saved Jesus from death on the Cross. Now, if one were just, one must say that what the Holy Quran had said against Jews and Christians turned out ultimately to be true. Investigations of a very high standard to-day have proved that Jesus had really been saved from death on the Cross. A study of the records shows that the Jews have never been able to reply to the question: How was it that Jesus died within two or three hours when his bones were not broken?

This has led the Jews to put in another plea — that they killed Jesus by the sword, whereas the ancient history of the Jews does not show that Jesus was killed by the sword. The majesty and power of the Divine Being made it dark in order that Jesus might be saved. There was an earthquake. Pilate’s wife saw a vision. The Sabbath night was about to fall, when it was improper to let a crucified body remain on the Cross. The magistrate, because of the terrible dream, became disposed towards the release of Jesus. All this was brought about simultaneously by God to save Jesus. Jesus himself was made to go into a swoon that he might be taken for dead. Through terrible signs like the earthquake, etc. there were produced in the Jews cowardice, and fear, and also fear of heavenly punishment.

There was also the fear lest the corpses should remain on their crosses during the Sabbath night. Again, the Jews, seeing Jesus in a swoon, thought that he was dead. It was dark. And there was an earthquake and great excitement. They also became anxious about their homes — how must the children be feeling in that darkness and earthquake? There was also a terror in their hearts that if this man was a liar and a Kafir, as they thought he was, why were mighty signs manifested at the moment of his suffering — signs which had not been manifested before. They were so upset that they no longer were in a position to satisfy themselves whether Jesus had really died, or what exactly his condition was. What had come about, however, was a Divine Design to save Jesus. This is hinted at in the verse… i.e., the Jews did not kill Jesus — God made them believe that they had killed him. This circumstance encourages the righteous to place great trust in God, that God can save His servants as He pleases.

Page-57-59
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Jesus-in-India.pdf

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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11 Responses to “Jesus did not die a cursed death on Cross – Sura 4:157-158 explains”

  1. Job Says:

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  2. paarsurrey Says:

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  3. j2nice78 Says:

    I have several problems with your assertion that Jesus never died on the cross.

    Some of these reasons are better than others:

    1. The Romans were professional executioners. They knew what they were doing. They beat Him to the point of collapse even BEFORE driving nails through his hands and feet and raising Him up on the cross. Even Pilate checked to make sure Jesus was dead. The reason they didn’t break His legs is because He was already dead.

    2. Let’s forget religious writings for a minute and look at scientific writings – according to the March 21, 1986 edition of the Journal of the American Medical Association, three doctors including a pathologist had this to say:

    “Clearly, the weight of historical and medical evidence indicates that Jesus was dead before the wound to his side was inflicted and supports the traditional view that the spear, thrust between his right rib, probably perforated not only the right lung but also the pericardium and heart and thereby ensured his death. Accordingly, interpretations based on the assumption that Jesus did not die on the cross appear to be at odds with modern medical knowledge.”

    3. Let’s assume everyone was wrong and Jesus was alive when he went into the tomb, how on earth would a man who was so badly injured and bleeding still be alive thirty-six hours later? He would have bled to death.

    4. Even if by some miraculous feat He managed to survive the cross and three days in the tomb, how could someone in the condition He was in get up, unwrap himself, move the two-ton rock UPHILL away from the inside of the tomb, get by the guards unnoticed (who would have been killed for their incompetence), and then convince everyone that He had beaten death? Even if this had happened, He would have been in such bad condition everyone would have pitied Him not worshipped Him and tried to get Him medical help.

    5. Multiple non-christian writers confirmed Jesus death, including Josephus, Tacitus, Thallus, and the Jewish Talmud (which is not a Christianity-friendly source).

    There is much more evidence than this against your claim, sir. These are just the first things to come to mind. Do you have any evidence to refute these claims other than what is said in the Quran? Do you believe it just because the Quran says so?

    Let me be 100% clear here. I do not believe what the bible says just because it says it. I believe it because I have evaluated the evidence and have found it to consistent with what is contained in the bible.

    Every religious writing in the world makes truth claims, that is why you have to look at evidence rather than just religious writings.

    “Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind.” – Albert Einstein

    I am a God-fearing peaceful Christian

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    • laikahmom Says:

      A VERY VERY small percentage of Muslims believe what Paarsurrey mentions above.
      Actually I think only the Ahmadi.

      THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ISA/ JESUS (AS) ESCAPED TO INDIA (OF ALL PLACES) AND LIVED THERE AND DIED THERE.

      THAT JUST SOUNDS AND IS LIKE A LOAD OF FLUFF.

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  4. paarsurrey Says:

    Hi peaceful Christian!

    First I would like to say, please don’t mind my opinion, that this is only a story or a mythical theological philosophy invented by Paul at Rome that Jesus died on the Cross.

    His entire philosophy is woven on this single point, to which he allured the Christians. Paul was not a witness to the event of crucifixion but he was smart at imagination; in any case this is not Word of revelation from the mouth of GodAllahYHWH and hence it should be seen in that perspective.

    A myth cannot be tested in a scientific lab, it has to be analysed systematically.

    If a man is badly injured, and a good medicine is immediately available and the man is treated well; no wonders one gets cured. Please go to a hospital and see for yourself.

    It daily happens.

    It is ointment of Jesus and Jesus’ prayers at the garden that healed injuries inflicted on Jesus on Cross.

    Please don’t take it personally; we are just searching for truth.

    Thanks

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  5. cyberwaves Says:

    Hi,
    i am not an expert.

    very interesting… its like intelligence service work using many sources putting it in one place…. and generating new informations.

    thanks for sharing insights and informations.

    my question is……..

    if jesus died NOT at the cross……. (can you please state again where this is written in the quoran)

    how come it was not written much about him afterwards?

    yes he appeared again to his disciples…. but after that… not much right?

    i am not an expert.

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  6. cyberwaves Says:

    Quran sorry.

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  7. Livingstone Roy Says:

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  9. aks476 Says:

    No body knows the truth about isa a.s (Jesus). It’s all speculation or a made up story. We only know his mirical birth and a little part of his life, that’s why you get different stories. No one except the creator knows wat happened to his messenger.

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  10. aks476 Says:

    When you have everyone saying the same thing, most likely the incident is true but wen you have loads of different people saying different things it’s very hard to find the truth. The bible is a good example because it has been written by so many different people which = contradictions.

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