“The need for the Imam”

November 17, 2017

 

Friday Sermon on November 17, 2017
Khalifa of Islam
Khalifatul Masih V

The need for the Imam

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“Wasn’t Jesus a Muslim, please?”

November 16, 2017

“The word Muslim or muslim means a person who submits to God, and there is evidence that Jesus spoke in the Semitic language of Aramaic (similar to Hebrew) and so Jesus would have called God by the name of Allah – which is the Aramaic version of Elohim.”  JP Cusick 

Thread: “Wasn’t Jesus a Muslim, please? “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

Post 16: 

X— wrote:
Jesus was from Nazareth in Galilee. Definitions are fluid, but Galilee is generally considered to be part of Judea at that time.

JP Cusick wrote:


You keep repeating that same claim but it will never become accurate or true.

The area of Galilee was never ever (never ever) a part of Judea and it was not under Jewish control.

Today the area of Galilee is controlled by the Jewish State only because they have stolen the land from the Palestinians.

And the first time the Jews are mentioned in the Bible then they are at war with Israel, see 2 Kings 16:5-7, so making claims is far different then speaking true.

Jesus was called the Nazarene* because He was from Nazareth, and Jesus was rejected by the Jews because He did not preach the Jewish religion, and the Jews can claim the Old Testament as their own but the Hebrew Testament is not Jewish.

The word Muslim or muslim means a person who submits to God, and there is evidence that Jesus spoke in the Semitic language of Aramaic (similar to Hebrew) and so Jesus would have called God by the name of Allah – which is the Aramaic version of Elohim.

 

 

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Jesus was called the Nazarene*

Paarsurrey wrote:

I agree with one here and like the post.

It is one aspect of this that Quran names the truthful followers of Jesus as naṣrāni- singular , and naṣārā- plural:

AYAH al-Imran 3:67 – Quran
Turansliteration :Ma kana ibraheemu yahoodiyyan wala nasraniyyan walakin kana haneefan musliman wama kana mina almushrikeena

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian*, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah]. And he was not of the polytheists.”
http://corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(3:67:6)
* or naṣrāni-yyan, the plural of which is naṣārā

Regards

The fictional “human sacrifice” of Jesus

November 15, 2017

The fictional “human sacrifice” of Jesus for the atonement of Pauline-Christians’ sins neither took pace nor it was ever needed. JW’s including, all the Pauline-Christianity people , who bank for their sins upon Jesus’ “human sacrifice” are as sinful as they would have been without it, please.

Thread: “Roman executioner’s are not priests,” 
and the cross is not an altar 
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

X——— wrote:
Roman executioners are not priests, and the cross is not an altar. So how can Jesus execution be considered a “payment for sin”? In any kind of a theologically legal sense, that is.

If Jesus death is truly a legal “payment for sin” as Paul seems to teach, and as Jehovah’s Witnesses claim, (ransom), then wouldn’t his death have to be performed on the Temple altar, at the hands of a Jewish priest?

1) Is the idea of Jesus death as a “payment for sin” anything more than a metaphor? A metaphor that is useful for Paul and his followers, but not for everyone.

2) Is the notion of Jesus martyrdom as a “payment for sin” Divine revelation? Or theological speculation.

3) Seems Paul wanted to play the legal, Priestly game in regard to Jesus death, so why wouldn’t the legal, priestly rules have disqualified his interpretations?

4) Is Pauline blood-atonement theology legalistic?

5) Would Jesus have approved of such a legalistic approach?

Please address any combination of the above.

Paarsurrey wrote:

One’s points are very reasonable.

Since Jesus survived death on the Cross as he was delivered in near-death position from the Cross, he was treated in the tomb by his friends for his injuries inflicted upon him on the Cross. Jesus remained in hiding, met only to his followers secretly, did not meet the public or the “adulterous Jews” to whom he was to show a sign as promised by him, and went out of Judea lest the Jews catch him and crucify him again.

The fictional* “human sacrifice” of Jesus for the atonement of Pauline-Christians’ sins neither took pace nor it was ever needed. JW’s including, all the Pauline-Christianity people , who bank for their sins upon Jesus’ “human sacrifice” are as sinful as they would have been without it, please.

Regards

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*One may like to read:
The Pagan Christ

“The Pagan Christ: Recovering the Lost Light is a 2004 non-fiction book by Canadian writer Tom Harpur (1929-2017), a former Anglican priest, journalist and professor of Greek and New Testament at the University of Toronto, which supports the Christ myth theory.[1] Harpur claims that the New Testament shares a large number of similarities with ancient Egyptian and other pagan religions, that early Church leaders fabricated a literal and human Jesus based on ancient myths, and that we should return to an inclusive and universal religion where the spirit of Christ or Christos lives within each of us.

The book was named the Canadian non-fiction bestseller of the year by both the Toronto Star and The Globe and Mail. It was later released under the title The Pagan Christ: Is Blind Faith Killing Christianity? in the United States by Walker Books and in Australia by Allen Unwin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pagan_Christ

Isn’t Muhammad the “Paraclete”/”Comforter”/ “Spirit of truth*” Jesus foretold?

November 14, 2017

So Muhammad and the Qur’an would be that other “comforter” that “allon paraklēton” and by happening in the year 632 CE, which is the end of 600 years which marks the beginning of a 700th century Sabbath, and God does seem to embrace numbers as significant markers.
The “*spirit of truth” is what matters, and the Qur’an does make correction where Christianity had already gone astray.

Thread: “Isn’t Muhammad the “Paraclete”/ “Comforter? “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

Post 1: 

Paarsurrey wrote:

Isn’t Muhammad the “Paraclete”/”Comforter”/”Spirit of truth*” Jesus foretold?

Anybody or everybody in the forum, please

Regards

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Just to quote for easy reference, please:

JP Cusick wrote: Thread “No-MiddleMan Movement”
“Discussion around the traces of middlemen in each religion”
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

Post 9:

 

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m—o wrote:

But not doctored to the extent that it debars some Muslims from claiming that it predicts Muhammad. When John says that Jesus will send ” allon paraklēton,” another Paraclete from heaven, some construe this as meaning, seven centuries later, an Arab trader will be that very messenger. So John has his uses.

 

 

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JP Cusick wrote:
Thank you Marco as I never knew about that interpretation and I like that.John 14:
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

So Muhammad and the Qur’an would be that other “comforter” that “allon paraklēton” and by happening in the year 632 CE, which is the end of 600 years which marks the beginning of a 700th century Sabbath, and God does seem to embrace numbers as significant markers.

The “*spirit of truth” is what matters, and the Qur’an does make correction where Christianity had already gone astray.

M—o got it right in this case – cheers to this.
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SIGNATURE:

An unorthodox Theist & a heretic Christian

“freedom of religion” or “religion is wholly for Allah”

November 14, 2017

It is One-True-God who has allowed freedom of religion to every human being as per the scheme of life and purpose of life set and designed by Him. This is what has been described in the verse “religion is wholly for Allah”. Meccans usurped this right of the Muslims.
To restore freedom of religion which is an established human right has been mentioned in verse* of Quran. As is the first part eradication of “persecution” a justified norm so was the second part “freedom of religion” or “religion is wholly for Allah” also a justified norm.

Thread:  ” Is Koran a Book of Peace, Not War? ” Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Non-Christian Religions and Philosophies

Post 35: 
 


[Replying to post 33 by paarsurrey1]

X—– wrote:

Okay, but is the persecution in question limited only to burning houses, torture, banning from congregation and exile? The part where you are to fight disbelievers until “religion is wholly for Allah” is particular troubling.

paarsurrey1 wrote:

Thanks for agreeing for the first part regarding”persecution”. The Meccans persecuted Muslims because of their religion. They neither allowed Muslims to believe as per Muslims’ faith nor allowed them to practice according to their religion:

“The slaves who believed came from all communities. Bilal was a negro, Suhaib a Greek. They belonged to different faiths. Jabr and Suhaib were Christians, Bilal and ‘Ammar, idol-worshippers. Bilal was made to lie on hot sand, loaded with stones, and boys were made to dance on his chest, and his master, Umayyah bin Khalf, tortured him thus and then asked him to renounce Allah and the Prophet and sing the praises of the Meccan gods, Lat and ‘Uzza. Bilal only said, Ahad, Ahad … (God is One).

Exasperated, Umayyah handed Bilal over to street boys, asking them to put a
cord round his neck and drag him through the town over sharp stones. Bilal’s body bled, but he went on muttering, Ahad, Ahad… Later, when Muslims settled in Medina and were able to live and worship in comparative peace, the Holy Prophet appointed Bilal a Mu’adhdhin, the official who calls the worshippers to prayers. Being an African, Bilal missed the (h), in the Arabic Ash-hadu (I bear witness). Medinite believers laughed at his defective pronunciation, but the Prophet rebuked them and told them how dear Bilal was to God for the stout faith he showed under Meccan tortures. Abu Bakr paid ransom for Bilal and many other slaves and secured their release.

Among them was Suhaib, a prosperous merchant, whom the Quraysh continued to belabour even after his release. When the Holy Prophet left Mecca to settle down in Medina, Suhaib wanted to go with him. But the Meccans stopped him. He could not take away from Mecca, they said, the wealth he had earned in Mecca. Suhaib offered to surrender all his property and earnings and asked whether they would then let him go. The Meccans accepted the arrangement. Suhaib reached Medina empty-handed and saw the Prophet, who heard him and congratulated him, saying, “This was the best bargain of your life.” Unquote

Page 120 of 346 “Introduction to the Study of The Holy Quran”
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Introduction-Study-Holy-Quran.pdf

It is One-True-God who has allowed freedom of religion to every human being as per the scheme of life and purpose of life set and designed by Him. This is what has been described in the verse “religion is wholly for Allah”. Meccans usurped this right of the Muslims.
To restore freedom of religion which is an established human right has been mentioned in verse* of Quran. As is the first part eradication of “persecution” a justified norm so was the second part “freedom of religion” or “religion is wholly for Allah” also a justified norm. Right, please?

Regards

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[8:39] Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past will be forgiven them; and if they return thereto, then verily, the example of the former peoples has already gone before them.
*[8:40] And fight them until there is no persecution and religion is wholly for Allah. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Watchful of what they do.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=8&verse=39

“spreading mischief in the land” is “persecution” in the verse/s

Did Paul elevate Jesus by giving Jesus a fictional god-head?

November 13, 2017

Paul elevated Jesus by giving Jesus a fictional god-head from the fictional expression that Jesus died on the Cross and was raised from the dead. 

Thread: “Where was god???? “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

 

Post 52: 

[Replying to post 45 by paarsurrey1]

paarsurrey1 wrote:
“Islam revives and reforms all religions and Muhammad is the corrective prophet/messenger and Quran the corrective Recitation that confirms the Truth revealed to founders of all great religions and that they all, the founders, were truthful persons but their founders could not keep the message intact in its pristine, pure and secure form. Right, please? ”
X—- wrote:
This is totally unacceptable to Christianity*.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End”.
Rev. 1:8


paarsurrey1 wrote:

Does one mean the *Pauline-Christianity, please?
If yes, it does not belong to Jesus or his true teachings. Jesus never started a religion called “Christianity”, it was:

~ started by Paul with a fictional vision when Jesus along with Mary had gone out of Judea lest he is caught and killed again.
~Paul doctored the anonymous Gospels and named them after Jesus’ disciples only to mislead Jesus followers from Jesus.
~Paul elevated Jesus by giving Jesus a fictional god-head from the fictional expression that Jesus died on the Cross and was raised from the dead.
~Paul propagated that Jesus had fictionally ascended to heaven and sat on the right hand of God.
~Paul fictionally propagated that Jesus died on the Cross to save the sinful Pauline-Christians from sins/death. How could one who could not save himself from the “fictional death”, could save others.

Jesus had got nothing to do with the teachings of Pauline-Christianity, please.
Right, please?

Quran corrects and brings forth the true teachings of Jesus and Mary, that Jesus believed in and acted upon. So, Muhammad is the truthful corrective prophet/messenger of One-True-God and serves the Jesus’ followers to revive and reform their religion, please. Right, please?

Regards

Aren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses people truthful witnesses? 

November 13, 2017

Jesus did not die on the Cross, he survived, so as per Paul’s own argument Pauline-Christianity’s “faith is futile”. Right, please?
Please correct me if I am wrong with reasonable arguments.

Thread: “Aren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses people truthful witnesses? “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

Post 1: 

Paarsurrey wrote:

Aren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses people truthful witnesses, please?

1 Corinthians

12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God* that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
http://biblehub.com/niv/1_corinthians/15.htm

Jesus did not die on the Cross, he survived, so as per Paul’s own argument Pauline-Christianity’s “faith is futile”. Right, please?
Please correct me if I am wrong with reasonable arguments.
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*Jehovah

This entails that the Jehovah-Witnesses’ people who believe in Paul and the Pauline-Christianity, are false witnesses as long as, and if they have no concrete evidence/s of Jesus, not dying on the Cross.Right, please?
Please correct me if I am wrong with reasonable arguments.

Regards

“Until there is no persecution and religion is wholly for Allah”

November 13, 2017

‘Ammar’s father, Yasir, and his mother, Sumayyah, also were tormented by
disbelievers. On one such occasion the Prophet happened to pass by. Filled with
emotion, he said, “Family of Yasir, bear up patiently, for God has prepared for you a Paradise.” The prophetic words were soon fulfilled. Yasir succumbed to the tortures, and a little later Abu Jahl murdered his aged wife, Sumayyah, with a spear.

Zinnirah, a woman slave, lost her eyes under the cruel treatment of disbelievers. Abu Fukayh, Safwan bin Umayyah’s slave, was laid on hot sand while over his chest were placed heavy and hot stones, under pain of which his tongue dropped out. Other slaves were mishandled in similar ways.”

Thread: “Is Koran a Book of Peace, Not War? “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Non-Christian Religions and Philosophies

Post 33: 

[Replying to post 31 by paarsurrey1]
X—- — wrote:
Not sure how that is helping your case. Sure, spreading mischief in the land can mean persecution. It’s not clear what count and does not count as persecution. And it says to fight us until there is no persecution and religion is wholly for Allah right there, that’s the very opposite of peace.


Quote:X—- — wrote:
us

paarsurrey1 wrote:

Quran verse [8:40]* addresses the Meccans who were persecuting Muslims, had burnt their houses, tortured them physically, not allowing Muslims to pray in congregation as per their religion, Muhammad and his companions were boycotted and restricted to an area for three years, not even allowing them access to food and were forced to migrate leaving their properties and valuable behind:

“Most of these slave-converts remained steadfast in outer as well as inner
professions of faith. But some were weak. Once the Holy Prophet found ‘Ammar
groaning with pain and drying his tears. Approached by the Prophet, ‘Ammar said he had been beaten and compelled to recant. The Prophet asked him, “But did you believe at heart?” ‘Ammar declared that he did, and the Prophet said that God would forgive his weakness.

‘Ammar’s father, Yasir, and his mother, Sumayyah, also were tormented by
disbelievers. On one such occasion the Prophet happened to pass by. Filled with
emotion, he said, “Family of Yasir, bear up patiently, for God has prepared for you a Paradise.” The prophetic words were soon fulfilled. Yasir succumbed to the tortures, and a little later Abu Jahl murdered his aged wife, Sumayyah, with a spear.

Zinnirah, a woman slave, lost her eyes under the cruel treatment of disbelievers. Abu Fukayh, Safwan bin Umayyah’s slave, was laid on hot sand while over his chest were placed heavy and hot stones, under pain of which his tongue dropped out. Other slaves were mishandled in similar ways.” :

One may like to read more from “Introduction to the Study of the Holy Quran”
Page 121 of 346
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Introduction-Study-Holy-Quran.pdf

Regards

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[8:39] Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past will be forgiven them; and if they return thereto, then verily, the example of the former peoples has already gone before them.
*[8:40] And fight them until there is no persecution and religion is wholly for Allah. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Watchful of what they do.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=8&verse=39

“spreading mischief in the land” is “persecution” in the verse/s

Paul is the middleman of Pauline-Christianity

November 12, 2017

Jesus was a prophet/messenger of One-True-God appointed by Him, so Jesus is not the middleman. Jesus just conveyed the Message given by One-True-God to him.Had Jesus not conveyed the message exactly he must have been punished by One-True-God.

Thread: “No-MiddleMan Movement “Discussion around the traces of middlemen in each religion
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

Post 4: 

s—-r.d———-h wrote:
We believe that the world has an intelligent creator; one need not to abandon reason to live as a believer; life is a continuous, reasonable search for truth, which should lead to doing beautiful deeds; but no exclusive doctrine can claim the “right” path towards this. These are the middlemen who always come up with something very specific in their doctrine and introduce it as the “secret sauce” for salvation, to color their followers differently and to establish a “us vs. them” mindset.

D———–t wrote:

How is the above not already a very specialized religious position?

Christianity necessarily has a “middleman” in Christ. In Christianity Christ is the one who claim to be the only “right path”.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Paarsurrey says:

Jesus was a prophet/messenger of One-True-God appointed by Him, so Jesus is not the middleman. Jesus just conveyed the Message given by One-True-God to him.Had Jesus not conveyed the message exactly he must have been punished by One-True-God:

[69:45] And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to Us,
[69:46] We would surely have seized him by the right hand,
[69:47] And then surely We would have severed his life-artery,
[69:48] And not one of you could have held Us off from him.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=69&verse=46

Right, please?
Pauline-Christianity does not have the true teachings of Jesus or message of the One-True-God. It is the fiction created by Paul, so Paul is the middleman of Pauline-Christianity. Right, please?

Regards

One-True-God/YHVH/Allah/Ahura-Mazda/Is’ana/Ishwara

November 11, 2017

Islam revives and reforms all religions and Muhammad is the corrective prophet/messenger and Quran the corrective Recitation that confirms the Truth revealed to founders of all great religions and that they all, the founders, were truthful persons but their founders could not keep the message intact in its pristine, pure and secure form.

Thread: “Where was god???? “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma 
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

 

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M—a wrote:
I don’t see point in combining two religions and making religious arguments from them. Particular religions have been given to people whose temperament is most suited to it. Judaics is rituals, Christianity is mystical and Islam is obeyance.
If one suits yu better than another, take it.

bl——-d wrote:

This is a rather simplistic way of viewing them. They are each full blown philosophical schools that have various tenets. Some are similar and some are different. Judaism does have rituals, but so does Christianity and Islam. Christianity does have mystical elements, but so does Judaism and Islam. Islam does stress obedience, among other things, but so does Judaism and Christianity. The base of Judaism is HaTorah. The base of Christianity is the Apostolic Writings and the base of Islam is the Koran. As the Muslims put it they are all “people of the book”. That is that they are constitutional philosophies. However, the three philosophies are not exclusive of the other in their views, nor are they equal to one another in those views. That is why, I think, if one is not going to look at each individually, one needs to focus on the tenets and not the philosophies as a whole.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Islam is not named after any human personage. It envisages the eternal Truth that was revealed, we believe, by One-True-God/YHVH/Allah/Ahura-Mazda/Is’ana*/Ishwara** . Whatever the name of One-True-God was revealed to a people in their own language and they submitted/obeyed to Him and worshiped Him to attain peace of heart and soul and with humans around, in this sense they were followers of Islam and Muslims. Islam revives and reforms all religions and Muhammad is the corrective prophet/messenger and Quran the corrective Recitation that confirms the Truth revealed to founders of all great religions and that they all, the founders, were truthful persons but their founders could not keep the message intact in its pristine, pure and secure form. Right, please?

Regards

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*The name of One-True-God that is reported Buddha believed in.
**One name of One-True-God that Dharmic-Religions believe in.