Did Holy Spirit claim to have authored the Christian Bible?

September 17, 2022

Series: “Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

Post #122 thread ” The whole Bible is not from God.”

Lxxxxxxxxxx said

None of the BIBLE was written by man. Though men penned the texts, ALL THE WORDING WAS HIVEN THESE MEN COMES FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT making it INFALLIABLE. WHY is it that the greatest minds in U.S. HISTORY, John Quincy Adamd and John Marshall had no problems with it?

Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

” The whole Bible is not from God.”

#122

Did Holy Spirit claim to have authored Bible, please? Right?
If yes, then kindly quote from the Holy Spirit, please. Right?
or
Is it only one’s accusation against the Holy Spirit, please? Right?

Regards

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accusing Holy Spirit for writing Gospels, Holy Spirit never claimed having written the Christian Bible. Holy Spirit, Fallibility of the Christian Bible is obvious,

“Turning the other Cheek”

September 12, 2022

Post #205 thread on ” For Christians Only: Matthew 5:38-39″

DD said: 

This thread is for Christians only. What exactly is meant by Matthew 5:38-39?
click here: Matthew 5:38-39 NIV – Eye for Eye – “You have heard that it – Bible Gateway

Paarsurrey wrote:

” Matthew 5:38-39

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

Which denomination from the 45000+ denominations of the Hellenist Pauline Christianity including LDS and JWs do follow it, please? Right?
Is it just for the ears to enjoy it , please? Right?

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Was Jesus just a lump of flesh with no bones?

September 12, 2022

Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

#564 thread “Paul – An Apostle?”
paarsurrey said: 
” Jesus when he was in the flesh “

Didn’t Jesus have any bones and was made of only flesh during his three years ministry, please? Right?
Kindly quote from Jesus for such a claim and the reason given by Jesus in this connection, please. Right?
cxxxx said
Yes, Jesus was both human and divine in one miraculous personality. That means he had all the things a man would have, bones, teeth, hair, toenails etc.
Paarsurrey wrote:

One could not quote a claim from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah’s words that he was just a lump of flesh with no bones, please. Right?
Similarly, one could not quote a claim from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah’s word in a straightforward and unequivocal manner that he was Almighty God, please. Right?
The reasons given, if any, are also to be from Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah not from anybody else, please. Right?

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Jesus in the flesh, flesh, lump of flesh, both human and divine,

Why sing a song in the Church that Jesus never sang?

September 6, 2022

paarsurrey said: 
Favorite church songs?

Why sing a song in a Church, which Jesus did not sing, please? Right?

xxxxxxxx said: 

Because this is how people worship.

Sorry, but your question reads to me like, “Why pray to Jesus in a church when Jesus did not pray to Jesus?”

Paarsurrey says:

Jesus was never a Christian, he was a Jew, please?
Do Jews worship in the synagogue?
Synagogue, also spelled synagog, in Judaism, a community house of worship that serves as a place not only for liturgical (public worship) services but also for assembly and study.
synagogue | Definition, History, & Facts
Didn’t Jesus used to go to the Synagogue to worship, please? Right?

Regards

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Was Paul a student of Gamaliel?: Jewish Encyclopedia

September 5, 2022

Kxxx said: 

Thank you for asking…

I’m not sure why people ask this question. What part did Paul speak of that didn’t have the basis in the Torah? (He (Paul) was a student of Gamaliel – very versed in the Torah)

” He (Paul) was a student of Gamaliel – very versed in the Torah

Not exactly:

“Saul (whose Roman cognomen was Paul; see Acts xiii. 9) was born of Jewish parents in the first decade of the common era at Tarsus in Cilicia (Acts ix. 11, xxi. 39, xxii. 3). The claim in Rom. xi. 1 and Phil. iii. 5 that he was of the tribe of Benjamin, suggested by the similarity of his name with that of the first Israelitish king, is, if the passages are genuine, a false one, no tribal lists or pedigrees of this kind having been in existence at that time (see Eusebius, “Hist. Eccl.” i. 7, 5; Pes. 62b; M. Sachs, “Beiträge zur Sprach- und Alterthumsforschung,” 1852, ii. 157). Nor is there any indication in Paul’s writings or arguments that he had received the rabbinical training ascribed to him by Christian writers, ancient and modern; least of all could he have acted or written as he did had he been, as is alleged (Acts xxii. 3), the disciple of Gamaliel I., the mild Hillelite. His quotations from Scripture, which are all taken, directly or from memory, from the Greek version, betray no familiarity with the original Hebrew text. The Hellenistic literature, such as the Book of Wisdom and other Apocrypha, as well as Philo (see Hausrath, “Neutestamentliche Zeitgeschichte,” ii. 18-27; Siegfried, “Philo von Alexandria,” 1875, pp. 304-310; Jowett, “Commentary on the Thessalonians and Galatians,” i. 363-417), was the sole source for his eschatological and theological system. Notwithstanding the emphatic statement, in Phil. iii. 5, that he was “a Hebrew of the Hebrews”—a rather unusual term, which seems to refer to his nationalistic training and conduct (comp. Acts xxi. 40, xxii. 2), since his Jewish birth is stated in the preceding words “of the stock of Israel”—he was, if any of the Epistles that bear his name are really his, entirely a Hellenist in thought and sentiment. “
SAUL OF TARSUS – JewishEncyclopedia.com

Like Paul faked a vision of having seen risen Jesus, while Jesus never died on the Cross in the first place, the same way his claim of being a student of Gamaliel I, is most certainly fake one in the wake of strong arguments given by the Jewish Encyclopedia, one gets to know, please. Right?

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Jesus’ Return

September 2, 2022

Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

#59 Thread on ” Jesus’ Return “

Paarsurrey said:

None of the Pauline-Christianity people of the 45000+ denominations including the JWs and the Latter Day Saints could quote from Jesus that he would come back as a conquering King, as Jesus never claimed it, one, therefore, gets to know from it, please. Right?

Jesus’ “Second Coming”, since he died naturally (neither died on the Cross nor resurrected from the dead, I understand) is not to be in the physical and material form as those who die never return to this world in physical and material form, please. Right?

Instead of that somebody born of a father and mother was to come in Jesus’ character and spiritual status to clear Jesus from all the accusations that have been made against Jesus by the Hellenist-Paul, his associates and the Pauline-Church with reasonable arguments, it transpires, please. Right?

And Jesus’ himself explained it, didn’t he please. Right?
Paarsurrey added further:

” And Jesus’ himself explained it, as to what is meant by Second Coming of a person, didn’t he please. Right?”

John the Baptist was asked by a delegation of priests (present tense) “Art thou Elias”, he replied “I am not”:

John 1:21 “Then who are you?” they inquired. “Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.”

Matthew 11:14 -15:
14And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15He who has ears, let him hear.…
Matthew 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.

Didn’t Jesus declare that John-the-Baptist is in spirit/character/deeds is Elias/Elijah, please? Right?

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 is therefore Second in Coming of Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah in spirit/character/deeds , it transpires, please. Right?

Jesus did not die on the Cross, isn’t it therefore an accusation on Jesus (by the Pauline-Christianity)-that Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah is to come physically from the heaven and will rule as a worldly king, one must say, please? Right?

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Coming of The Messiah – The world is waiting for saviour

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Why read Gospels, if Jesus (Yeshua) never read it from?

September 5, 2022

Kxxxx said: 

There was actually only the TaNaKh in those days. That is were they got their grace-filled messages from.

Paarsurrey wrote:

If Jesus, James the brother of Jesus and Thomas as well as other followers of Jesus read Torah only, why the Hellenist-Pauline Christians read from the NT that has neither spoken by Jesus nor authored by Jesus nor written by Jesus, please? Right?

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Didn’t Paul fake a vision as did he fake his identity being Jewish?

September 4, 2022

Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?
#4 

Thread on ” Torath Mosheh Jews and Paul and the Law “

David Davidovich
 said: 
This a speculative question for only Torath Mosheh Jews/Orthodox Jews since it concerns the Christian Apostle Paul. Therefore, there isn’t a wrong or right answer to this question. Also, this Christian apostle, at one time was a very pious Torah-following Jew known as Saul of Tarsus. Therefore, I would like to ask: What is your take on Paul’s view of the Torah Law of Moses? Also, below is a quote from an article, which will give you an idea of what his viewpoint was of the Law:
click here: What Did Apostle Paul Teach about God’s Law? (biblestudy.org)

” this Christian apostle (Paul), at one time was a very pious Torah-following Jew known as Saul of Tarsus. “
Paarsurrey wrote:

Isn’t it a wrong premises/assumption/hypothesis as per the Jewish Encylopedia, please?:
SAUL OF TARSUS – JewishEncyclopedia.com
Right?

Regards
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#7 David Davidovich
“as well as by his ethical monitions, which are rather inconsistently taken over from Jewish codes of law for proselytes, the Didache and Didascalia. It is quite natural, then, that not only the Jews (Acts xxi. 21), but also the Judæo-Christians, regarded Paul as an “apostate from the Law“** (see Eusebius, l.c. iii. 27; Irenæus, “Adversus Hæreses,” i. 26, 2; Origen, “Contra Celsum,” v. 65; Clement of Rome, “Recognitiones,” i. 70. 73).”
#7 David Davidovich
Pauline Christianity – Wikipedia
Did Jesus Move to India After His Crucifixion?

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Isn’t Torah (or OT) a dead horse to Hellenist Pauline Christianity?

September 4, 2022

Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

#13 

Thread on ” The Problems of Hellenized Judaism and interpretation of Christian Scripture “

Paarsurrey wrote:
My understanding is that Pauline-Christianity’s-Priesthood discourages its people to study OT first and then NT, they read it upside down, first they read NT and then OT; is it correct, please? Right?

EF said↑
Just Catholicism.
I have received a standard, strict Catholic upbringing and do not recall anyone teaching me what the Old Testament was about, and nobody encouraged me to read it.
The Catechism exclusively revolves around the Gospels, and the parables.
These were the only books.
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Paarsurrey wrote:

They (the Pauline-Christianity’s priesthood) only cling to OT, as it has some prophecies, which they fit on Jesus to add some more credulity to the stuff they have collected that they call Gospels or NT, else, isn’t the whole OT just a dead horse to them (the Pauline-Christianity), one gets to understand, please? Right?
Jesus read and mastered the Torah, he could never have adopted such an approach for his people, one could say, right?

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Does Christianity belong to Jesus in Acts and or Words

September 3, 2022

paarsurrey said: 
Favorite church songs?

Why sing a song in a Church, which Jesus did not sing, please? Right?

Sxxxxxxxxx said: 

Because this is how people worship.

Sorry, but your question reads to me like, “Why pray to Jesus in a church when Jesus did not pray to Jesus?”

Paarsurrey write:

Jesus was never a Christian, he was a Jew, please?
Do Jews worship in the synagogue?
Synagogue, also spelled synagog, in Judaism, a community house of worship that serves as a place not only for liturgical (public worship) services but also for assembly and study.
synagogue | Definition, History, & Facts
Didn’t Jesus used to go to the Synagogue to worship, please? Right?

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