A Scientist, if one is worth it

November 13, 2019


#241 paarsurrey


Why Scientists need to accept Eastern thought

Religion is a private matter of a person. A Scientist, if one is worth it, is to concentrate on the problem of Science in hand and solve it as per the dictates of the Science while remaining open to one’s Religion or other Religions/No-Religions whatsoever.

Many people had done that and there has been no problem or mythical/superstitious/phantom hindrances some people have been suggesting unnecessarily.
Right, please?


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Utopian ideas that Bahais harbor

November 11, 2019


Two informative posts on RF. Please click the post #61 

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Granted, English is the current lingua franca, by accident of history, but it’s hardly well suited. It’s very irregular and the orthography is a nightmare. How anyone ever learns to read and write in it is beyond me.

A good interlanguage would have to be alphabetic, phonetic, and regular. It should avoid obscure linguistic quirks.

Esperanto was constructed to be alphabetic, phonetic and mostly regular. Its syntax, lexicon, phonology, and semantic structure is familiar to most Indo-European speakers. To speakers of non Indo-European languages it’s less so, but nothing will be ideal for everyone.

For current speakers of Indo-European languages, Esperanto can be learned extremely quickly and easily. That’s its advantage over English.

Off the top of my head:
Mandarin: Difficult orthography.
Hindi/Urdu: Not alphabetic — an abugida and an abjad.
Spanish: Better, but still a natural language, hence, irregular.
Arabic: A complex abjad.

All natural languages have irregularities, which constructed languages seek to correct. Some languages contain unusual sounds which most of the world would find difficult to master as a 2nd language. Some have unusual grammatical forms or other quirks.
No interlanguage would be ideal for everyone.

At the deepest level there is only One consciousness and it is omniscient.

November 11, 2019


#45 paarsurrey  wrote:

I visualize that there cannot be West without East, and there cannot be an East without West as there cannot be North (Pole) without South (Pole). If one destroys one Pole the other will also get destroyed. In this Globe we need all four directions. Diversity is whole life. Right, please?
I appreciate.


Latitude device called “Kamal” (navigation)

November 11, 2019


A simple wooden kamal.

kamal is a celestial navigation device that determines latitude. The invention of the kamal allowed for the earliest known latitude sailing,[1] and was thus the earliest step towards the use of quantitative methods in navigation.[2] It originated with Arab navigators of the late 9th century,[3] and was employed in the Indian Ocean from the 10th century.[1] It was adopted by Indian navigators soon after,[4] and then adopted by Chinese navigators some time before the 16th century.[2]


Usage of the kamal to determine the elevation of Polaris. Since the star is currently close to the celestial pole, its elevation is equal to the latitude of the observer.

The kamal consists of a rectangular wooden card about 2 by 1 inch (5.1 by 2.5 cm), to which a string with several equally spaced knots is attached through a hole in the middle of the card. The kamal is used by placing one end of the string in the teeth while the other end is held away from the body roughly parallel to the ground. The card is then moved along the string, positioned so the lower edge is even with the horizon, and the upper edge is occluding a target star, typically Polaris because its angle to the horizon does not change with longitude or time. The angle can then be measured by counting the number of knots from the teeth to the card, or a particular knot can be tied into the string if travelling to a known latitude.

Side view of how the kamal was used to measure the elevations of stars. While the lower edge aligns with the horizon, the upper edge indicates the elevation of the star.

The knots were typically tied to measure angles of one finger-width. When held at arm’s length, the width of a finger measures an angle that remains fairly similar from person to person. This was widely used (and still is today) for rough angle measurements, an angle known as issabah إصبع for ‘finger’ in Arabic, or a chih in Chinese.[citation needed] By modern measure, this is about 1 degree, 36 minutes, and 25 seconds, or just over 1.5 degrees. It is equal to the arcsine of the ratio of the width of the finger to the length of the arm.

Due to the limited width of the card, the kamal was only really useful for measuring Polaris in equatorial latitudes, where Polaris remains close to the horizon. This fact may explain why it was not common in Europe. For these higher-latitude needs somewhat more complex devices based on the same principle were used, notably the cross-staff and backstaff.

The kamal is still a tool recommended for use in sea kayaking.[5] In such an application, it can be used for estimating distances to land. The distance can be calculated from the formula

{\displaystyle D={\frac {Sd}{s}}}

where {\displaystyle D} is the distance to the object, {\displaystyle S} is the size of the object observed, {\displaystyle d} is the distance from the kamal to the observer’s eye, and {\displaystyle s} is the apparent size of the object observed.



Prove or Disprove Flat Earth Theology

November 11, 2019


#91paarsurrey  wrote:

Prove or Disprove Flat Earth Theology

By theology is meant the Religion. The truthful Religion does not interfere with the realm of Science which is related to the physical and material realm. I believe that Earth is round. There is nothing in the truthful Religion that is against it. The realm of the truthful Religion is ethical, moral and spiritual irrespective of the form of Earth. Right, please?


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#109 paarsurrey

One would agree that the realm of the truthful Religion is ethical, moral and spiritual irrespective of the form of Earth. Right, please?
Why the truthful Religion is supposed to interfere with Science by some people here? Isn’t it a weird approach?


“Flat Earth” a fictional notion

November 11, 2019


#74  paarsurrey wrote:

I will only vindicate* sincerely what is mentioned in Quran- the pristine,preserved and secure Word of G-d.
I wonder for the those who assign themselves to science but their understanding of religious text is unscientific.
I leave OT Bible and NT Bible to be vindicated by its believers, if they so like to, please. Right, please?

Please quote the verse along-with the verses in the context, some verses preceding and some following in Arabic text of Quran for correct understanding, please. Right, please?

* “The triliteral root fā rā shīn (ف ر ش) occurs six times in the Quran, in four derived forms:

  • once as the form I verb farash (فَرَشْ)
  • once as the noun farāsh (فَرَاش)
  • three times as the noun firāsh (فِرَٰش)
  • once as the noun farsh (فَرْش)

The translations below are brief glosses intended as a guide to meaning. An Arabic word may have a range of meanings depending on context. Click on a word for more linguistic information, or to suggestion a correction.
Verb (form I) – to spread
(51:48:2) farashnāhā We have spread it وَالْأَرْضَ فَرَشْنَاهَا فَنِعْمَ الْمَاهِدُونَ
(101:4:4) kal-farāshi like moths يَوْمَ يَكُونُ النَّاسُ كَالْفَرَاشِ الْمَبْثُوثِ
(2:22:5) firāshan a resting place الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ الْأَرْضَ فِرَاشًا وَالسَّمَاءَ بِنَاءً
(55:54:3) furushin couches مُتَّكِئِينَ عَلَىٰ فُرُشٍ بَطَائِنُهَا مِنْ إِسْتَبْرَقٍ وَجَنَى الْجَنَّتَيْنِ دَانٍ
(56:34:1) wafurushin And (on) couches وَفُرُشٍ مَرْفُوعَةٍ
(6:142:4) wafarshan and (some for) meat وَمِنَ الْأَنْعَامِ حَمُولَةً وَفَرْشًا كُلُوا مِمَّا رَزَقَكُمُ اللَّهُ
The Quranic Arabic Corpus – Quran Dictionary
“53 English translations of Quran verse 2:22
al-Baqarah 2:22
“53 English translations of Quran verse 51:48
adh-Dhariyat 51:48
“وَالْأَرْضَ فَرَشْنَاهَا
And the earth we spread it”
“الَّذِي جَعَلَ لَكُمُ الْأَرْضَ فِرَاشًا وَالسَّمَاءَ بِنَاءً
Who made the land for you a bed and heaven accordingly.”

Isn’t “flat earth” fictional?

November 9, 2019


Prove or Disprove Flat Earth Theology
#95  paarsurrey

Isn’t “flat earth” fictional?
The natural word “flat” in its origin/root never meant what it is thought these days.
First they fixed its meaning (to make it like a term) and then they started bullying others.
Right, please?

“The myth of the flat Earth is a modern misconception that Earth was believed to be flat rather than spherical by scholars and the educated during the Middle Ages in Europe.*”
*Main, Douglas (28 January 2016). “Even in the Middle Ages, People Didn’t Think the Earth was Flat”Newsweek. Retrieved 26 April 2019.
Myth of the flat Earth – Wikipedia

“The myth that people in the Middle Ages thought the Earth is flat appears to date from the 17th century as part of the campaign by Protestants against Catholic teaching. But it gained currency in the 19th century, thanks to inaccurate histories such as John William Draper’s History of the Conflict Between Religion and Science (1874) and Andrew Dickson White’s A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896). Atheists and agnostics championed the conflict thesis for their own purposes, but historical research gradually demonstrated that Draper and White had propagated more fantasy than fact in their efforts to prove that science and religion are locked in eternal conflict.*”
* James Hannam. “Science Versus Christianity?”.
Myth of the flat Earth – Wikipedia

Quran Surah/Chapter “4: 157”: Jesus did not die and could not die on Cross

October 28, 2019


#128 paarsurrey

“sura 4: 157”
Paarsurrey wrote:

Further to my post #159, I have to state that GoogleTranslate is yet developing and is not error free yet. I put Quran Sura 4: 157 for translation from Arabic original text to English and got the following result:
وَقَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا الْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَٰكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ وَإِنَّ الَّذِينَ اخْتَلَفُوا فِيهِ لَفِي شَكٍّ مِّنْهُ مَا لَهُم بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلَّا اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِينًا
“And saying We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah and killed him and crucified him, but they almost but those who disagreed with it in doubt it as they knew of only conjecture to follow and killed him with certainty”
Word for word translation given at IslamAwakened is:

Literal (Word by Word) “And for their saying, “Indeed, we killed the Messiah, Isa, son (of) Maryam, (the) Messenger (of) Allah.” And not they killed him and not they crucified him but it was made to appear (so) to them. And indeed, those who differ in it (are) surely in doubt about it. Not for them about it [of] (any) knowledge except (the) following (of) assumption. And not they killed him, certainly.”
an-Nisa` 4:157 ,
which is same as @ The Quranic Arabic Corpus – Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran
Obviously the translation given by GoogleTranslate is not correct and needs to be improved.

Please give translation of Quran 4:157 rendered by Usama K. Dakdok ,if one has got it, for our study and one’s justifications if any for its being correct or otherwise. Right, please?

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“Did All of Jesus’ Apostles Desert Him at His Arrest, and Never Return?”

October 28, 2019


“Did All of Jesus’ Apostles Desert Him at His Arrest, and Never Return?”

Paarsurrey visited the above blog https://apologika.blogspot.com and after reading the write-up there wrote the following post, which is subject to moderation.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Luke was not an eyewitness for sure:

1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.


So, Luke was not at the scene of Jesus’ Crucifixion.

John also was not there, his name has not been mentioned in any of the four Gospels, his presence is only a conjecture. Mary has been mentioned in the Gospels by name, but she is not one of the twelve disciples, and she did not write any account herself.

Sorry, therefore, one should have to correct one’s article. Right, please?


Note: I have published this post on my blog:




Equal access to students of Religion/No-Religion in Schools/Colleges

October 22, 2019


“atheism isn’t something that is “taught””

Paarsurrey Wrote:
If they don’t have something to teach, they just don’t do it, but they needn’t prohibit others as an excuse. Why should the students be deprived of introduction to religions? Keeping the students ignorant is not appropriate.
My emphasis was on the following points:

  • “As far as the Atheists, I am not against them in their persons and I am in favor of equitable treatment to them by every Religion.
  • The better idea as I visualize is that there should be periodically seminars in the schools/colleges in their halls on the subjects about religion/no-religions.
  • I don’t say that there should be teachers to teach every religion in the schools. I say that there should be seminars in the schools/colleges where representatives of religions/no-religions should give lectures on the selected topics and then there should be provision of a question answer session for the students. These seminars should be conducted by moderators of the City officials.
  • As somebody has to manage such events to provide equitable opportunity to every religion/no-religion that is interested in the event. The issue of moderators could be sorted between the school/colleges and the cities locally.
  • My point is that the students get equal access/information to the religions of believers as also to the non-believers be they Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism or any shades of them. Under the name of Secular-ism, which means equitable treatment to everybody they should not remain ignorant of Religions/No-Religions.”

Right, please?

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