Jesus told Jews that they had broken the Covenant with G-d; instead of being sons of G-d, Jews had become sons of the Devil

July 2, 2015

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4714-covenant

Paar Surrey wrote:

Jesus correctly and rationally argued in John 8: 37-47 that Jews had broken the Covenant with G-d.
Jesus’ reasonable argument is:
The Jews believe that they are from the lineage of Abraham and as such fall under the covenant of G-d with Abraham:
“God concluded a covenant with Abraham (Gen. xv. 18, xvii. 2, 7) by which He entered into a special relationship with him and his descendants for all time” that “was renewed on Mount Sinai when, before the giving of the Law, Israel as a people pledged itself to keep His covenant (Ex. xix. 8).”
“Judaism knows of no other than the old Sinaitic covenant. Eternal as the covenant with heaven and earth is God’s covenant with the seed of Jacob (Jer. xxxiii. 25et seq.).”
The Law given under Sinaitic covenant has two most important statutes.
1. Belief in ONENESS of G-d. Deut. 6:5-9
2. Accepting the truthful prophets of G-d. Deut. 18:20
By not following the above statutes and denying Jesus’ prophet-hood, the Jews of the time of Jesus had broken the covenant and were thus out of the lineage of Abraham or Jacob.
Jesus charged the Jews correctly. Right?
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NT Bible consist of glimpses of Word of G-d only

June 30, 2015

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Paarsurrey wrote:

I agree with you. Jesus did not write NT Bible, he also did not dictate it to anybody, he also did not authorize anybody to write anything on his behalf.
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What is God?

June 30, 2015

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Paarsurrey wrote:

I am an Ahmadi Muslim, G-d is described in Quran in many verses, combining them in one word define G-d. One such place is:

[2:256] Allah — there is no God but He, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining. Slumber seizes Him not, nor sleep. To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that will intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them; and they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He pleases. His knowledge extends over the heavens and the earth; and the care of them burdens Him not; and He is the High, the Great.​

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Influence of Hellenism/paganism on Jews: Jewish Encylopedia

June 29, 2015

Paarsurrey posted following comments on Jewish Encylopedia under the topic “HELLENISM”:
Paar Surrey
I appreciate the first two paragraphs of the above write-up. Under influence of the Hellenism/paganism the Jews had been influenced and resorted to borrowing their mythical religious concepts into their own religion. Jews being “sons of G-d” which was only a spiritual concept, not a physical one, some groups started believing it as physical for certain hero personalities of their religion (like Ezra). They were led astray from the Moses’ teachings and needed to be reformed.
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Paarsurrey wrote:

For the purposes of Judaism and Islam who believe ONENESS of G-d, the polytheists be they Hellenists or pagans are same, they may be different otherwise.
The 1906 Jewish Encylopedia discusses them both in the article HELLENISM, I think for the same reason.
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“EZRA THE SCRIBE ”- Jewish Encylopedia

June 28, 2015

Paarsurrey commented on the topic “Ezra the Scribe” on the  1906 Jewish Encyclopaedia .

Paarsurrey wrote:

As per Exodus Chapter 4:22 And you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘So said the Lord, “My firstborn son is Israel.” ‘

All Jews are sons of G-d.
Ezra was a Jew and a high status religious Jewish figure, and that makes him a son of G-d as per Torah. Right ?
Quran addresses the Jews living in Medina at that time and their religious concepts. They never raised a question at that time that it was a wrong allegation that they believed Ezra as son of G-d. Later they migrated from Medina and might have joined/merged with other denominations and changed or reformed their concepts.
Quran addresses altogether different issues in the context verses where Ezra/Jesus have been mentioned.
Right?
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http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5967-ezra-the-scribe

Does the sun rise or does it set, in reality? Is there even a day in the Universe?

June 28, 2015

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          Eyasha said:

Paarsurrey wrote:

If you would have pondered a little, you would have found no contradiction there.
Is there even a day in the Universe? Please
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Paarsurrey wrote:

Does the sun rise or does it set, in reality? It doesn’t. It is only proverbial to say that it rises and sets and a day is mentioned for convenience of day-to-day life. If you are talking in terms of science then in space there is no time and there is no day. We get such expressions as “THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TIME”
“Scientists suggest spacetime has no time dimension”.

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                   Paarsurrey wrote further:

I don’t agree with your thoughts.
Quran is not a book of science, primarily, it does not claim to be so. it deals in the ethical, moral and spiritual domains and it is quite clear in the context of the verses that spiritual matters are being discussed in it and earth and universe have been mentioned only in a passing way. No humans exited at the time when universe and earth was created so time scale is different when the creation began than it is now on earth.

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Religion of Zoroaster: Desatir

June 27, 2015

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“Iran sinks before the hordes of Arabs.”

“The death of Khusru Parviz, who had waged the last war in the standing rivalry with the West, heralded the collapse of the Persian empire. The death-knell of the national greatness had been struck when with the advent of the weak kings on the throne the commanders, who felt the allegiance of the army to them rather than to the person of the king, persuaded the army to revolt. Rival princes strove to assert their respective rights to the throne. Court intrigues and strifes became rife. The long wars with the Romans in the far West and the Eastern hordes near at home, whose inroads were facilitated by the unfavourable geographical position of Persia, had exhausted the national resources. Famine and plague had extended their ravages over the whole country. Unbridled luxury, with all its concomitant vices, was imported from foreign lands, and the simplicity of life inculcated by Zarathushtra and zealously upheld by the Dasturs was abandoned. The masses did not escape the contagion of the luxury and vice of the nobility, and the love of simplicity was replaced by a feverish worship of pleasure. The simple habits fostered by agricultural pursuits were on the wane; and the entire social fabric of Iran was seriously dislocated. The springs of patriotism were sapped, and the bravery with which the Persians of old had faced their national foes was weakened. The age of valour had given place to an age of weakness and decay.”​

M.N. Dhalla: History of Zoroastrianism (1938), part 6

This happened as per the prophecy of Zoroaster mentioned in Desatir, that got fulfilled.
The Zoroastrians should appreciate.
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Paarsurrey wrote:

I have asked many Zoroastrians if Zoroaster prophesied for the downfall of Zoroastrian rule and downfall of the Zoroastrian religion. Nobody could answer. Zoroaster was a truthful prophet, it is impossible that he would have not mentioned these events.
Right?
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Did some Jews believe “Ezra as Son of G-d”

June 27, 2015

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“[9:30]And the Jews say, Ezra is the son of Allah,”

Paarsurrey wrote:

Was Ezra a Jew or not?
If yes, what is his status in Judaism?
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As per Exodus Chapter 4:22 And you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘So said the Lord, “My firstborn son is Israel.” ‘

Paarsurrey wrote:

All Jews are sons of G-d.
Ezra was a Jew and a high status religious Jewish figure, and that makes him a son of G-d as per Torah. Right ?
Quran addresses the Jews living in Medina at that time and their religious concepts. They never raised a question at that time that it was a wrong allegation that they believed Ezra as son of G-d. Later they migrated from Medina and might have joined/merged with other denominations and changed or reformed their concepts.
Quran addresses altogether different issues in the context verses where Ezra/Jesus have been mentioned.
Right ?
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Paarsurrey wrote:

It is on the person who makes the objection to prove that the Jews of Medina did not believe in this concept as the Jews of Medina were addressed specifically in a part of the verse.
The discussion in the context is not Ezra but something else.
You may take help, if you like, from Jewish friends in the forum or from elsewhere with whom the issue concerns directly.
They should prove that Jews of Medina did never have this concept.
Jews were divided in sects and denominations; this trend continued. New sects/denominations emerge and the old ones vanish.
Quran is not a book of history. Quran deals ethical,moral and spiritual issues in a reasonable and pragmatic way.
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Paarsurrey wrote:

I don’t agree with you. The context of the verse of Quran is very clear.
The Jews were superstitious people and were susceptible and inclined to the thoughts and concepts of paganism in the time of Moses as well as Jesus in spite of Moses and Jesus being against such thoughts.
In the time of Moses the Jews made the Golden Calf disregarding the teachings of Moses; consequently as mentioned in Torah, Moses had to kill 3000 Jews as a punishment of the same.
Paul was a Jew, when Jesus came to India, in his absence, Paul founded the tenets of modern Christianity and made Jesus a son of G-d.
Jesus was a Jew and was a “son of G-d” in terms of the Torah/Exodus as was Ezra, the Hight Priest.
Quran’s purpose is to reform Christianity and Judaism (whatever their sect/denomination) and bring them back to the teachings of Moses.
When the Jewish tribes who resided in Medina migrated from there and merged with other denominations and relinquished their concept of Ezra being a physical son of G-d, that is good and in line with the purpose of Quran. So should the Christians do.
This is what the context of the verse says.
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Paarsurrey wrote:

But that happened before the advent of Islam.There were hardly any Christians in Mecca or Medina, if Quran is correct about the Christians, there is no doubt about that; then the Quran must be correct about the Jews of Medina.
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https://books.google.ca/books?
THE MYSTERY & HISTORY OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE: AN AFRICAN PERSPECTIVE
By SAM OYSTEIN

Please note from the above that there existed some groups of the Jews who later became extinct.

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Jews are sons of Jewish G-d!!!???

June 23, 2015

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“The Jews call Ezra a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!” – Q 9:30

I quote the verse with the verses in the context (some preceding and some following the verse in question) to grasp the understanding of the meaning of the verses and their perspective:

[9:25]Surely, Allah had helped you on many a battlefield, and on the Day of Hunain, when your great numbers made you proud, but they availed you nought; and the earth, withallits vastness, became straitened for you,andthen you turned your backs retreating.
[9:26]Then Allah sent down His peace upon His Messenger and upon the believers, and He sent down hosts which you did not see, and He punished those who disbelieved. And this is the reward of the disbelievers.
[9:27]Then will Allah, after that, turn with compassion to whomsoever He pleases; and Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
[9:28]O ye who believe! surely, the idolaters are unclean. So they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year of theirs. And if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you out of His bounty, if He pleases. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.
[9:29]Fight those from among the People of the Book who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared to be unlawful, nor follow the true religion, until they pay the tax withtheir ownhand and acknowledge their subjection.
[9:30]And the Jews say, Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say, the Messiah is the son of Allah; that is what they say with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before them. Allah’s curse be on them! How are they turned away!
[9:31]They have taken their learned men and their monks for lords beside Allah. Andso have they takenthe Messiah, son of Mary. And they were not commanded but to worship the One God. There is no God but He. Too Holy is He for what they associatewith Him!
[9:32]They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths; but Allah will permit nothing except that He will perfect His light, though the disbelievers may dislikeit.
[9:33]He it is Who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He may make it prevail over everyotherreligion, even though the idolaters may dislikeit.
[9:34]O ye who believe! surely, many of the priests and monks devour the wealth of men by false means and turnmenaway from the way of Allah. And those who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah — give to them the tidings of a painful punishment,
[9:35]On the day when it shall be made hot in the fire of Hell, and their foreheads and their sides and their backs shall be branded therewithand it shall be said to them: ‘This is what you treasured up for yourselves; so now taste what you used to treasure up.’
www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=9&verse=29

Do you endorse what Quran has told about the Christians “and the Christians say, the Messiah is the son of Allah”?
Right?
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“Does the Quran contradict itself”

June 23, 2015

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Paarsurrey wrote:

I give below both the verses with the verses in the context( five preceding and five following verses):

[21:26]And We sent no Messenger before thee but We revealed to him,saying, ‘There is no God but I; so worship Mealone.’
[21:27]And they say, ‘The GraciousGodhas taken to Himself a son.’ Holy is He. Nay, they areonlyhonoured servants.
[21:28]They speak not before He speaks, and they actonlyby His command.
[21:29]He knows what is before them and what is behind them, and they intercede not except for him whom He approves, and they act cautiously for fear of Him.
[21:30]And whosoever of them should say, ‘I am a God beside Him,’ him shall We requite with Hell. Thus do We requite the wrongdoers.
[21:31]Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth wereaclosed-upmass, then We opened them out? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
[21:32]And We have made in the earth firm mountains lest it should quake with them; and We have made therein wide pathways, that they may be rightly guided.
[21:33]And We have made the heaven a roof, well protected; yet they turn away from its Signs.
[21:34]And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each gliding along initsorbit.
[21:35]We granted not everlasting life to any human being before thee. If then thou shouldst die, shall they liveherefor ever?

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine – Al Islam Online

[41:6]And they say: ‘Our hearts are under coversand are protectedagainst that to which thou callest us, and in our ears there is a deafness, and between us and thee there is a screen. So carry on thy work; wetooare working.’
[41:7]Say, ‘I am only a man like you. It is revealed to me that your God is One God; so go ye straight to Himwithout deviating, and ask forgiveness of Him.’ And woe to the idolaters,
[41:8]Who give not the Zakat, and they it is who deny the Hereafter.
[41:9]As tothose who believe and do good works, they will surely have a reward that will never end.
[41:10]Say: ‘Do you really disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two days? And do you set up equals to Him?’ That is the Lord of the worlds.
[41:11]He placed therein firm mountains rising above itssurface, and blessed itwith abundance, and provided therein its foods in proper measure in four days — alike forallseekers.
[41:12]Then He turned to the heaven while it wassomething likesmoke, and said to it and to the earth: ‘Come ye both of you, willingly or unwillingly.’ They said, ‘We come willingly.’
[41:13]So He completed them into seven heavens in two days, and He revealed to each heaven its function. And We adorned the lowest heaven with lampsfor lightand for protection. That is the decree of the Mighty, the All-Knowing.
[41:14]But if they turn away, then say: ‘I warn you of a destructive punishment like the punishment whichovertook‘Ad and Thamud.’
[41:15]When their Messengers came to them from before them and behind them,saying: ‘Worship none but Allah,’ they said: ‘If our Lord hadsowilled, He would have certainly sent down angels. So we do disbelieve in that with which you have been sent.’
[41:16]As for ‘Ad, they behaved arrogantly in the earth without any justification and said, ‘Who is mightier than we in power?’ Do they not see that Allah, Who created them, is mightier than they in power? Still they continued to deny Our Signs.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=41&verse=11
A verse is best understood from the verses in the context.
Now please prove your viewpoint.

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Paarsurrey wrote:

If you would have pondered a little, you would have found no contradiction there.
Is there even a day in the Universe? Please
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