Krisna or Krishna

December 10, 2017

I understand that Krisna or Krishna means black.  We humans see objects that  absorb all colours of light as black. One-true-God is light so Krishna absorbed all colours of light or became immersed in all the colours or attributes of One-True-God that a human could could get in his time and as such became a messenger/prophet of One-true-God. Is it correct?

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Jesus: human sacrifice that never happened

December 9, 2017

The fictional* “human sacrifice” of Jesus for the atonement of Pauline-Christians’ sins neither took pace nor it was ever needed. JW’s including, all the Pauline-Christianity people , who bank for their sins upon Jesus’ “human sacrifice” are as sinful as they would have been without it, please. 

Thread: “Roman executioner’s are not priests,
and the cross is not an altar

Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

Post 10: 

Mr.X wrote:
Roman executioners are not priests, and the cross is not an altar. So how can Jesus execution be considered a “payment for sin”? In any kind of a theologically legal sense, that is.

If Jesus death is truly a legal “payment for sin” as Paul seems to teach, and as Jehovah’s Witnesses claim, (ransom), then wouldn’t his death have to be performed on the Temple altar, at the hands of a Jewish priest?

1) Is the idea of Jesus death as a “payment for sin” anything more than a metaphor? A metaphor that is useful for Paul and his followers, but not for everyone.

2) Is the notion of Jesus martyrdom as a “payment for sin” Divine revelation? Or theological speculation.

3) Seems Paul wanted to play the legal, Priestly game in regard to Jesus death, so why wouldn’t the legal, priestly rules have disqualified his interpretations?

4) Is Pauline blood-atonement theology legalistic?

5) Would Jesus have approved of such a legalistic approach?

Please address any combination of the above.

Paarsurrey wrote:

One’s points are very reasonable.

Since Jesus survived death on the Cross as he was delivered in near-death position from the Cross, he was treated in the tomb by his friends for his injuries inflicted upon him on the Cross. Jesus remained in hiding, met only to his followers secretly, did not meet the public or the “adulterous Jews” to whom he was to show a sign as promised by him, and went out of Judea lest the Jews catch him and crucify him again.

The fictional* “human sacrifice” of Jesus for the atonement of Pauline-Christians’ sins neither took pace nor it was ever needed. JW’s including, all the Pauline-Christianity people , who bank for their sins upon Jesus’ “human sacrifice” are as sinful as they would have been without it, please.

Regards

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*One may like to read:
The Pagan Christ

“The Pagan Christ: Recovering the Lost Light is a 2004 non-fiction book by Canadian writer Tom Harpur (1929-2017), a former Anglican priest, journalist and professor of Greek and New Testament at the University of Toronto, which supports the Christ myth theory.[1] Harpur claims that the New Testament shares a large number of similarities with ancient Egyptian and other pagan religions, that early Church leaders fabricated a literal and human Jesus based on ancient myths, and that we should return to an inclusive and universal religion where the spirit of Christ or Christos lives within each of us.

The book was named the Canadian non-fiction bestseller of the year by both the Toronto Star and The Globe and Mail. It was later released under the title The Pagan Christ: Is Blind Faith Killing Christianity? in the United States by Walker Books and in Australia by Allen Unwin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pagan_Christ

“God does not exist” can be dismissed without evidence

December 9, 2017

Does one’s parents (father and mother) exist/existed? What evidence one sought of them when first time one got to know that they were/are one’s father and mother? At what age one got to know it, please?

Thread: ““God does not exist” can be dismissed without evidence “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Philosophy

Post 1: 
Paarsurrey Wrote:


The assertion “God does not exist” can be dismissed without evidence 

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
Christopher Hitchens

Right, please?

Regards

Post 4: 
Mr.X wrote:
What if someone gives their reasoning that God doesn’t exist?Also, by the same logic, the assertion “God DOES exist” can be dismissed without evidence

Paarsurrey wrote:

Does one’s parents (father and mother) exist/existed? What evidence one sought of them when first time one got to know that they were/are one’s father and mother? At what age one got to know it, please?

Regards

“Seeking the pleasure of Allah”

December 8, 2017
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If everything is happening automatic because of Evolution

December 7, 2017

I respect scientists; they are intelligent people; they discover and invent things and I am thankful to them. I buy things from the market discovered and invented by them and I am entitled to use those things as I have paid for them. I am grateful to the technicians and other artisans who make things convenient for me and I pay them for their services. I enjoy sports and I pay for that. I enjoy artists; they paint beautiful paintings; and I do pay for their paintings if I like to buy them. 

Thread: “If everything is happening automatic because of Evolution ” Forum
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Science and Religion

Post 1: 

Paarsurrey wrote:


I am an ordinary man in the street. I don’t have any claim to scholarship or any piety. I respect scientists; they are intelligent people; they discover and invent things and I am thankful to them. I buy things from the market discovered and invented by them and I am entitled to use those things as I have paid for them. I am grateful to the technicians and other artisans who make things convenient for me and I pay them for their services. I enjoy sports and I pay for that. I enjoy artists; they paint beautiful paintings; and I do pay for their paintings if I like to buy them.

They are my partners in my life; but I don’t think I have any reason to prefer one for the other. Why should I consider a Scientist to have any hegemony over me as the Atheism people make me believe?

Science is not the whole of human life; it is only a part of it. The Scientists never create anything from nothing; they only discover things that are very much already in existence in the Universe. I respect the Scientists but I admire, thank and gratify the One-True-God who had in reality created everything in me and around me. I think I have a right to do so. Am I right, please?

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Status of women in ancient Atheism people’s civilizations

December 5, 2017

There existed no worthwhile Atheistic or Agnostic society in the ancient* in any large numbers. Had it been so?

I would like to know status of women in those cultures or civilizations. That is why sometimes I think that there was no worthwhile Atheist Agnostic culture anywhere in the world in the ancient times; might be no Atheist Agnostic existed in those times; and it might be simply a recent growth

Thread: “Status of women in ancient Atheism people’s civilizations Forum:Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Philosophy

Post 1:
Paarsurrey wrote:

There existed no worthwhile Atheistic or Agnostic society in the ancient* in any large numbers. Had it been so?

I would like to know status of women in those cultures or civilizations. That is why sometimes I think that there was no worthwhile Atheist Agnostic culture anywhere in the world in the ancient times; might be no Atheist Agnostic existed in those times; and it might be simply a recent growth. Right, please?
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

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*Ancient:
In the Adam’s times
In the Noah’s times
In the Pre-Veda period
In the Vedic period
In the Post-Veda period
In the times of Buddha
In the times of Krishna
In the times of Moses
In the times of Zoroaster
In the times of Jesus
In the times of Socratess

The Excellent Exemplar – Muhammad

December 1, 2017

 

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“Evidentialism disapproves Atheism. Does it?”

November 30, 2017

“How can the New Atheists employ evidentialist principles to argue that religious belief is irrational if they are unwilling to apply those same principles to atheism?”
https://philosophynow.org/issues/78/Wheres_The_Evidence 

Thread: “Evidentialism disapproves Atheism. Does it? “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Philosophy

Post 1: 

Evidentialism disapproves Atheism. Does it, please? 
Paarsurrey wrote:
“How can the New Atheists employ evidentialist principles to argue that religious belief is irrational if they are unwilling to apply those same principles to atheism?”
https://philosophynow.org/issues/78/Wheres_The_Evidence
Michael Antony also repudiates other usual non-arguments of Atheism:

1. Atheism Isn’t A Belief
2. You Can’t Prove A Negative like “God doesn’t exist”
3. The Burden of Proof Is On The Believer
4. Ockham’s Razor
5. Absence of Evidence is Evidence of Absence

Antony’s conclusion:
“The five ways which atheists sometimes claim exempt themselves from providing evidence of their belief all fail. Unless they make no statements about God at all, they have as much a requirement to support their statements with evidence as anyone else does”

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Dr Michael V. Antony
Michael Antony is a Senior Lecturer in the Department of Philosophy at the University of Haifa, Israel. He is writing a book on how to approach the question of whether there is a divine reality, and what it might be like.
“Where’s The Evidence?”
Michael Antony argues that the New Atheists miss the mark.
https://philosophynow.org/issues/78/Wheres_The_Evidence

Post 2: 

Paarsurrey wrote:

As soon as the Believers and Atheism people go into a discussion/debate the Atheism people see a Tea-Pot flying on their head or they start believing in Zeus or the like or suddenly an elephant intrudes in their garage or a Bigfoot , that exposes the hollowness of Atheism. Isn’t it, please?

Regards

Status of Women in the Bible

November 29, 2017

“How the Bible Paints Women as Liars”

One may like to read the following:

“How the Bible Paints Women as Liars”

Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2017/11/29/bible-paints-women-liars-whores/#sJUhrmeqfRqxgCrK.99

 

 

Is historical evidence of Socrates stronger than Pauline-Jesus?

November 29, 2017

“I’m trying to post historical evidence that I believe is stronger for Socrates than the “evidence” for Jesus.”Friend Jagella Post 41

One may like to read posts of friend Jagella in the thread :”Is Jesus of Gospels a fiction, Jesus of Quran the reality?” Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Christianity and Apologetics

“I’m trying to post historical evidence that I believe is stronger for Socrates than the “evidence” for Jesus.” Friend Jagella Post 41

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