Both is equally possible, but what is the true answer? I don’t know the true answer.
Something may existed first in a mystery that i don’t know of.
Nothing may existed first in a mystery that i don’t know of.
Who is the ONE?
The ONE true [God/Creator] A/B/C/D/E…etc from religion A/B/C/D/E…etc?
Which one is the ONE from those A/B/C/D/E…etc?
I guess each to their own.
It is G-d/Allah/Yahweh/Ahura-Mazda, the same ONE all over the world in different religions with different names in their language having 99+ attributes mentioned in Quran.
Quran- the amazing Recitation of systems introduces Him in the first Chapter called Al-Fatihah with four primary attributes of Him and then the whole Quran mentions one or more attributes of Him in the following chapters generated from the four primary attributes.
In this sense Quran is a book/Recitation which illustrates His attributes and as to how and when his attributes work in every chapter that follows Al-Fatihah.
Is it another aspect when science goes gibberish?
ben d wrote:
Indeed…..when people hear the term ‘big bang’, many do not understand that according to the theory, there was no cause or reason involved in the miraculous explosion that created existence from non-existence…they think that science understands, or will eventually understand how it happened….
The carbon dating of the Birmingham manuscript, as is evident, is not correct to second/minute/hour/day/year extent, it only provides a range within which it could be possibly located. Rest is to be decided by the inner evidence from the text of the scripture.
The inner evidence rejects that Quran could be before Muhammad’s birth for the reasons I have mentioned. Similarly, Muhammad was a real and historic person, the ineer evidence of the Birmingham manuscript reject that Quran descended after Muhammad.
The only possibility is that it was descended on Muhammad within his life span, though codified later in the time of Caliph Uthmān. Birmingham manuscript is similar to Uthmān Codex without change.
One cold observe the correctness of my above expression from the following verse of Quran: The Holy Quran : Chapter 10: Yunus
[10:3]Is it a matter of wonder for men that We have inspired a man from among them,saying, ‘Warn mankind and give glad tidings to those who believe that they have a true rank of honour with their Lord?’ The disbelievers say, ‘Surely, this is a manifest enchanter.’ http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=10
The OP or anybody else to tell us which other scripture could have come up with the above verse except Muhammad.
One has to adopt a proper measure to understand the truthful scripture, it is not like reading a novel or a story-book.
Please give it another try.
One should be clear of any bias while reading Quran.
Kindly start studying Quran from the beginning to the end, then read it again please and have a note-book with you while intently reading it. One should write down the valid question arising in one’s mind very naturally; this is not prohibited. If the context makes the questions clear or one realizes that one’s question is not valid; one could delete it and proceed further. This may take sometime of course; but it is worthwhile trying it, after all it is an oft quoted book of an important world religion.
I think it is not difficult to understand the verses by using a common sense approach which is generally helpful for understanding any book in the world.
A single verse without the text and the context could be sometimes misleading.
One cannot correctly understand the meaning of a word unless one knows the whole sentence in which it has been used; the value of a sentence could be best understood in a passage, and of a passage is best understood in a chapter. The reference with the context is therefore most essential for a meaningful understanding.
This helps to understand the verses; hence Quran is self-explanatory.
Quran in the very beginning make it known that it is a book for guidance to humanity to the righteous and as such it should be referred to in the ethical, moral and spiritual matters. Why persist to use it otherwise?
Another thing is that science is never final in anything; there is always a room for improvement in knowledge of science; nobody has closed yet the book of science; so why at all compare it with Quran.
Quran leaves the field of science open for search and research for the believers and the non-believers alike; it does not block science for investigation or oppose it.
Science does not have any absolute realities; it is a tool of human beings for physical advancements and with the available data it searches and researches till it matches with the nature; nature is the master. Nature existed when humans had virtually no knowledge of science; and science is subject to improvement as and when new data is obtained. It has no claims to perfectness.
It is therefore futile to look for any scientific mistakes in Quran; there is none there.
It provides guidance on temporal, moral and spiritual matters. Quran does not want that it should be believed only as a book of authority from an authority. It provides the wisdom to a thing and reason and logical arguments, in a way, that it is not a tedious book like the books of philosophy which are full with difficult terminology not understood by the common man. It mentions wisdom for the Philosophers, experts and the common people all at one and the same time; as it is guidance for everybody.
I think it appropriate here to suggest an on-line website for studying the same: http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/index.php
It is true that Quran if read in the Arabic language a little loudly in a manner that it does not disturb others has its own spell-bound charm; that cannot be denied.
Nevertheless; its real charm is its profound system of meaning conveyed in its message; one could benefit from it, in any language. Where-ever the translator has not been able to comprehend the meaning correctly, one could check the original Arabic word and find its etymology, available online.
I have personal experience of this; people borrow questions from unfriendly websites; but when referred to Quran, for the text and context, the questions become irrelevant.
I may add here that all translations, in fact, are commentaries as one could translate only to the extent one understands; if one does not understand fully one’s translation would be defective to that extent.
As is evident translations of Quran are not the real words of God; that is factual and reasonable; that does not mean that Quran should not be translated for understanding it.
When one has finished it, we can compare our notes with one another.
Still another clue for Jesus’ remains: THE JESUS THANGKA
A thangka (pronounced with the h silent) is the traditional form of religious painting produced by Buddhist monks for centuries in the Himalayas.
Remains of Jesus would be found where Jesus went after his treatment in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea and where he lived thereafter and died.
A strong clue from Bible:
Doubt of Jesus’ having died on the cross was expressed very much at the scene of the Cross.
And Pilate marveled if he were already dead. (Mark 15: 44)
When Pilate was informed about the death of Jesus on the cross, he marveled at hearing it. We know that Pilate was the most experienced person in this field; who may have experienced hundreds of crucifixions in his time. That is why; he knew very it well that a 33 years, unmarried young person shouldn’t die in few hours, while the other two thieves (elder than him) were still alive after the crucifixion.
So, Jesus journeyed elsewhere, hence the empty tomb.
Of course it is made by imitation to some natural product, nevertheless it is not created. Is it?
1.(of a substance) made by chemical synthesis, especially to imitate a natural product.
(of a proposition) having truth or falsity determinable by recourse to experience.
1.a synthetic material or chemical, especially a textile fiber. https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=synthetic
1. combination or composition, in particular.
the combination of ideas to form a theory or system.
At the most it is an imitation of what already exists in nature in abundance created by G-d from annihilation.
Or in terms of our “resident historian”, it is plagiarization of nature,Post 400, and not original.
One should look at the modesty/humbleness of science and arrogance of the pseudo-scientists in the garb of atheists/agnostics./skeptics .
P.S. I am not against the real scientists rather I laud their efforts to discover/invent things useful for the humanity.
Further to post #196 above. Jesus’ remains would be found where he journeyed to. “Jesus’ Deliverance from the Cross & Journey to INDIA”
“I have written this knol so that by adducing proofs from
established facts, conclusive historical evidence of proven
value, and ancient documents of other nations, I might
dispel the serious misconceptions which are current among
Christians and most Muslim sects regarding the earlier and
the later life of Jesus.
Christians and most Muslims believe that Jesus was
raised to the heavens alive; both have believed for a long
time that Jesus is still alive in the heavens and will return to
the earth sometime in the latter days.”
marathakam abhijith. Jesus in India….FACT OR FLAW!!: THE FIRST SIDE….. [Internet]. Version 1. Abhijith’s Knols. 2010 Jun 28. Available from:https://abhijithmarathakam.wordpress.com/article/jesus-in-india-fact-or-flaw-33u5226e1zr9g-8/.