“Christmas” has no origin in (Jesus) Yeshua

May 31, 2023

paarsurrey post #18, thread “ Judgment from Yahweh during Chr-stmas Day? “ on RF:

Messianic Israelite said (#1) :

For the run up to Chr-stmas, I have been debating with various people regarding the pagan nature of Chr-stmas, how it isn’t Biblical and how Yahweh is deeply displeased with those who engage in it.I was pleasantly surprised to hear how some people on RF know about the Saturnalia, Bacchanalia and Paganalia that existed before the birth of the Messiah, yet were celebrated around December 25th with the same symbols and practices that are kept at Chr-stmas. Only someone with a very limited thinking process would think that these things are merely coincidence. But Chr-stmas is over, however, I wanted to mention the fact that deadly blizzards have been raging across the U.S.A and in Canada with a special concentration on Chr-stmas day. Perhaps you were one of the people that were affected by this. So I’m going to ask the question that people on RF seem to be avoiding. Is this judgment from Yahweh? I don’t think it is mere coincidence that on Chr-stmas day this should take place. Now I want to start by saying I’m not gloating that many people have died during Xmas. Let me say that whenever they are deaths involved, I’m not happy about it, regardless if people were engaging in sinful practices. My attitude echoes Yahweh in Ezekiel 33:11 “Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Yahweh, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’ Proverbs 24 says:

“Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth,
And let not thy heart be glad when he is overthrown;
18 Lest Yahweh see it, and it displease him,
And he turn away his wrath from him.”

The Buffalo storms have been classed as “a crisis of epic proportion” and “the worst of the worst” by the New York Governor Kathy Hochul, a native of Buffalo, where 2.4-metre (8-foot) snow drifts against front doors and power outages in freezing temperatures have created life-threatening conditions. 

More than 200,000 people across several eastern states woke up without power on Christmas morning, and many more had their holiday travel plans upended although the five-day-long storm featuring blizzard conditions and ferocious winds showed signs of easing. The two dozen weather-related deaths were confirmed across eight states, but some US media reported as many as 30 storm-linked fatalities, including four people in Colorado who likely died of exposure and at least seven in western New York.

In Canada, hundreds of thousands of people were left without power in Ontario and Quebec, many flights were canceled in major cities and train passenger service between Toronto and Ottawa was suspended.

Much of the US experienced some sort of winter weather during the large storm, which was generated by a bomb cyclone, a meteorological phenomenon when the atmospheric pressure quickly drops in a strong storm.

What does anger me is that people, I know, are blaming Yahweh for not allowing them to see their loved ones, or friends during this time. For ruining their Xmas, which according to the Chr-stian faith is the holiest day of the year, yet has no basis in the Bible. Yahshua was not even born on December 25, and further, Yahweh doesn’t command we remember his birth but his death at the Passover on the correct day set by the lunar calendar. I know some people are even blaming Yahweh because people have died, at least 60. Instead of blaming Yahweh, why don’t people start asking themselves the question, What am I doing wrong? 

“ For the run up to Chr-stmas, I have been debating with various people regarding the pagan nature of Chr-stmas, how it isn’t Biblical and how Yahweh is deeply displeased with those who engage in it. “

paarsurrey said:

I agree, “Christmas” has no origin in (Jesus) Yeshua – the Israelite Messiah, please. Right?
Did (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah and or Moses whom Yeshua followed, they ever said to celebrate their birth days or their death days, please, right?
If yes, then anybody to quote from them in this connection, please. Right?
Yeshua and or Moses also never celebrated anybody else’s birth days and or death day, please. Right?

Regards

Jesus did not claim to be G-d, it is others who do

May 29, 2023

paarsurrey post #111, in the thread “ Is Jesus Christ the True God?” on RF :

paarsurrey said:

One needs to quote from Yeshua for all these claims
in first person in an unambiguous, unequivocal and straightforward manner, please. Right?

101G said in post #101:

Greeting,
did not the Lord Jesus from his own Lips stated that he is God? let’s check the record.

John 2:18 “Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?” John 2:19 “Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” John 2:20 “Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?”John 2:21 “But he spake of the temple of his body.” John 2:22 “When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.”

note verse 19. the Lord Jesus said that he would raise up his body after three days.

Note verse 22. “his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.”

if his disciples REMEMBERED what he and the what the SCRIPTURES said, why then did Peter say, on the Day of Pentecost, “God”, raised up Jesus body? ….. unless he KNEW that Jesus is God?

1xxG.
paarsurrey said ( #105):

None of the above verses ( John 2:18 , John 2:20 , John 2:22 ) is from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, please:

Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible

Right?
paarsurrey said ( #111 ):

Sorry, didn’t one fail miserably to quote from Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah in first person in an unambiguous, unequivocal and straightforward manner, please?
Right?

Have a heart and try another time, please, right?

Regards

1xxG said:

Greeting in the Name of the Lord Jesus,
John 2:19 “Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” are you saying that the Lord Jesus did not say this?
look, I can careless if it was blue letters. the scripture states he “SAID” that, and the word SAID itself is not in red letters, so that excuse want work, nor the excuse, “Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)”…… so?

what’s wrong, you have a problem seeing RED?

as with personal opinions, EXCUSES, moves me not either. so, you can try something else than that.

KIND regards in Christ Jesus,

101G.

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” John 2:19 “Jesus answered and said

paarsurrey said:
Didn’t one fail terribly a second time to quote from Yeshua in the first person, the above verse ” John 2:19 ” is a third person narrative from anonymous gospels named ” John” (most certainly) deceptively, as one understands please? Right?

Never mind , one is a friend, one can try a third time, if one likes to, please. Right?

Regards

#124

Dxxknxx20 said:

John 1:1 :In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, andthe Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

John 1:14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

jxxxxxs Jesus is God/Man! Billions of people today will tell you, never mind the billions that have died in the past 2000 years!

paarsurrey said:

The verses “ John 1:1, John 1:14 ” quoted by one in one’s post are not from (Jesus)- Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, please:

Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible
Right?
paarsurrey said:
Why one blames Yeshua that he claimed to be a Hellenist-Paulian , dying rising atoning ascending, deity, he was never as such, it transpires, please? Right?

Isn’t it selfish to make Yeshua die for the atonement of one’s sins, please; why can’t one leave sinning instead, please??

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Christian people’s (blind) believing doesn’t make a god or no-god, right?

May 29, 2023

paarsurrey post #99, in the thread “ Is Jesus Christ the True God?” on RF:

#98 Jxxxxa Pxxxxe, Religion: Spiritual Christian, 

Jxxxxxa Pxxxxe said:

The thing is i believe Jesus Christ is God. For God to be perfectly just, He would have to come into creation and demonstrate a sinless nature and be outside of time in His message and being.

paarsurrey said:

One’s (blind) believing doesn’t make a god or no-god, right?
Did (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah ever say:

  1. “For God to be perfectly just, He would have to come into creation” (kindly quote for this claim to be from him , please) and that
  2. “and demonstrate a sinless nature” (also kindly quote for this 2nd claim from him, please)
  3. ” and be outside of time in His message and being“(also kindly quote for these 3rd and 4th claims from him, please)?

Right?

Jxxxxxa Pxxxxe said:

Jesus is eternal and existed throughout the entire bible including in the old testament.

paarsurrey said:

These are all one’s Hellenist-Paulian tinted perceptions, as one gets to know, not at all from Yeshua, it transpires, please, right?

One is a good human being and one needs to quote from Yeshua for all these claims
in first person in an unambiguous, unequivocal and straightforward manner, please. Right?

Regards

“Is Jesus Christ the True God?”

May 28, 2023

No Jesus/Yeshua the truthful Israelite Messiah never claimed as such in first person in a straightforward, unequivocal and unambiguous manner, please, right?

If yes, then anybody kindly quote from him in this connection, please. Right?

paarsurrey post #13, in the thread “ Is Jesus Christ the True God? On RF:

qxxxxxxxxxxh said:

Please, vote.

paarsurrey said:

Voting does not make one a G-d, does it, please?
Regards

qxxxxxxxxxxxh said:

But the fact is: 3 are pro, 5 are contra.

paarsurrey said:

Friend @qxxxxxxxxxxh , who belongs to “Eastern Orthodox”!
paarsurrey said:
The truthful G-d exists irrespective and independent of whether humans believe him and or deny Him, and even if all the people vote (contra) that He does not exist, He needs no votes, please. Right?

Regards

Did Jesus claim that Jesus had the power to cure/heal anybody, please?

May 22, 2023

No, Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah could not cure and or heal anybody on his own, please, as he never claimed as such, please, right?

If yes, then kindly quote from him in first person in a straightforward, unequivocal and unambiguous manner in this connection, please. Right?

Regards

“Islam”

May 19, 2023

paarsurrey post #93 , thread ” Islam ” on RF:

exxxx said:

Can islam truly justify the september 11th attacks on america? If so, how?

Did Islam/Quran mention it, please, right?

Regards
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#2Vxxxr, “Islam never justified the attacks. Only a widely rejected minority rationalized and justified the brazen acts of mass murder.”
#3Rxxxl Rxxxxx, “Muslims throughout the world don’t justify the Sept. 11th attacks. These Muslims (see link below) certainly don’t justify it: “Those People Are Not Me”
# 4Sxxxt Fxxxxxxxn, “It’s all a scam.”
#7sxn rxxe, “The true answer is totally and absolutely NO.”

“Return of The Word?”

May 17, 2023

paarsurrey post #17 in the thread ” Return of The Word? ” on RF

Bxxxx2 said:

was both while on earth and remains both. We get to taste that divinity nature.
2 Peter 1: 4 Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

paarsurrey: It is an incorrect basis to form a concept from an epistle which is not from Jesus/Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, please, right?:

Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible
Right?

Bxxxx2 said:

No, it confirms what Jesus told us in various places.
Example John 14:23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

paarsurrey said : Isn’t the said to be “John 14;23” a third person narrative of an anonymous narrator named after “John” for credulity purposes, please, right??

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Isn’t non-belief in the truthful G-d really divisive, please, right??​

May 15, 2023

Isn’t non-belief in the truthful G-d really divisive, please, right??​

paarsurrey post #352 , thread “Religion is fundamentally divisive. That’s not helping!” on RF:

#84 ixxxxe:​

Humanity is facing enormous problems these days. Climate change will likely displace a BILLION people from their homes in the next few decades. We’re running out of fresh water and topsoil. We’re likely to face huge crop failures and food shortages.

We need to work together, if we’re to survive.

Religion is fundamentally divisive, not inclusive. Sure, there are exceptions. But mostly religion is divisive. Either you’re a Muslim, or you’re not. Either you’re a Christian or you’re not. This “us vs. them” worldview is exactly what we DO NOT NEED at this critical juncture.

We need inclusive, critical thinking. We do not need divisive, magical thinking.

And while I’m at it, most identity politics these days shares a lot in common with religion. The most important / destructive way in which this is true is in the establishment and defense of DOGMA. We need new dogma like we need a hole in the head.

Back in the 60s and 70s we used to say “question authority”. It’s still good advice, but I’d amend it a bit and say:

“Question authority and question dogma”. Unquote

paarsurrey said:
” Religion is fundamentally divisive, not inclusive. “
I don’t agree with one here, the truthful religion is basically uniting, isn’t it the non-belief in the truthful G-d that is divisive, please? Right?
Regards

ixxxxxxe said:#89

but religions do not agree with each other, right?

paarsurrey says: Don’t all the shades of Atheism (including secular humanism) divisive among themselves, please, right??

ixxxxxxe said (in his signature): I’m a secular humanist, and I’ll stand by that declaration.

paarsurrey says:
Will one stand with one’s ism even when it is most unreasonable and wrong, please, right??

Regards

“Jesus”

May 10, 2023

paarsurrey post #62, thread “Jesus” on RF:

Mxx said:

So 2 billion people that believe Jesus physically rose from the grave are wrong? Wow! That’s a lot of gullible people! Haha.

paarsurrey said:

Sure they are wrong as :
Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah never died on the Cross, right?
Never rose from the grave, right?
He died a natural death later ,right?
Never ascended to the skies, therefore, right?
He is never to return physically, right?

Aren’t all these indications of gullibility, thrown down their throats, by the Hellenist-Pauline-Church, right?
Isn’t it a “haux”, please, right?

Regards

” Raised “

May 9, 2023

paarsurrey post #215 on my favorite religious form:

Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

  • #40 ,thread:” Raised “

Moon said:

What does Jesus’ physical resurrection mean to you?

paarsurrey: Physical resurrection or Ascension of Jesus- the truthful Israelite Messiah, never took place, isn’t it a misconception of the Christians people who have been mislead by the Hellenist Paul, please?

mxxxxl_the_dxxe said:

That is the “mystery”. In human understanding one can’t be 3 and 3 can’t be one.

paarsurrey said: Isn’t this “mystery” a fabrication of the Hellenist-Pauline-Church to deviate the simple followers of Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah, from his teachings and his deeds, please, right??
The word trinity , and or the weird notion ” ONE IN THREE AND THREE IN ONE”
, is not mentioned even once in the Bible by Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah, is it mentioned, please?
Right?
Mxxn said:
What does Jesus’ physical resurrection mean to you?

sxxxxxxx said:

I doubt if the resurrection was entirely physical because the physical body had been badly beaten and mutilated. But since there were several witnesses, I am sure it occurred in some way that it appeared to be physical. So Jesus probably appeared in some other body that looked just like his original body but probably was an apparition.

” But since there were several witnesses, “
paarsurrey wrote: Jesus did not die on the Cross in the first place, so there was no and could not be any eye-witness of the event, please, right?

Regards

Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

Did Holy Spirit claim to have authored the Christian Bible?

September 17, 2022

Series: “Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

Post #122 thread ” The whole Bible is not from God.”

Lxxxxxxxxxx said

None of the BIBLE was written by man. Though men penned the texts, ALL THE WORDING WAS HIVEN THESE MEN COMES FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT making it INFALLIABLE. WHY is it that the greatest minds in U.S. HISTORY, John Quincy Adamd and John Marshall had no problems with it?

Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

” The whole Bible is not from God.”

#122

Did Holy Spirit claim to have authored Bible, please? Right?
If yes, then kindly quote from the Holy Spirit, please. Right?
or
Is it only one’s accusation against the Holy Spirit, please? Right?

Regards

Post #99@

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accusing Holy Spirit for writing Gospels, Holy Spirit never claimed having written the Christian Bible. Holy Spirit, Fallibility of the Christian Bible is obvious,

“Turning the other Cheek”

September 12, 2022

Post #205 thread on ” For Christians Only: Matthew 5:38-39″

DD said: 

This thread is for Christians only. What exactly is meant by Matthew 5:38-39?
click here: Matthew 5:38-39 NIV – Eye for Eye – “You have heard that it – Bible Gateway

Paarsurrey wrote:

” Matthew 5:38-39

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

Which denomination from the 45000+ denominations of the Hellenist Pauline Christianity including LDS and JWs do follow it, please? Right?
Is it just for the ears to enjoy it , please? Right?

Regards

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Was Jesus just a lump of flesh with no bones?

September 12, 2022

Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

#564 thread “Paul – An Apostle?”
paarsurrey said: 
” Jesus when he was in the flesh “

Didn’t Jesus have any bones and was made of only flesh during his three years ministry, please? Right?
Kindly quote from Jesus for such a claim and the reason given by Jesus in this connection, please. Right?
cxxxx said
Yes, Jesus was both human and divine in one miraculous personality. That means he had all the things a man would have, bones, teeth, hair, toenails etc.
Paarsurrey wrote:

One could not quote a claim from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah’s words that he was just a lump of flesh with no bones, please. Right?
Similarly, one could not quote a claim from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah’s word in a straightforward and unequivocal manner that he was Almighty God, please. Right?
The reasons given, if any, are also to be from Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah not from anybody else, please. Right?

Regards

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Jesus in the flesh, flesh, lump of flesh, both human and divine,

Why sing a song in the Church that Jesus never sang?

September 6, 2022

paarsurrey said: 
Favorite church songs?

Why sing a song in a Church, which Jesus did not sing, please? Right?

xxxxxxxx said: 

Because this is how people worship.

Sorry, but your question reads to me like, “Why pray to Jesus in a church when Jesus did not pray to Jesus?”

Paarsurrey says:

Jesus was never a Christian, he was a Jew, please?
Do Jews worship in the synagogue?
Synagogue, also spelled synagog, in Judaism, a community house of worship that serves as a place not only for liturgical (public worship) services but also for assembly and study.
synagogue | Definition, History, & Facts
Didn’t Jesus used to go to the Synagogue to worship, please? Right?

Regards

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Was Paul a student of Gamaliel?: Jewish Encyclopedia

September 5, 2022

Kxxx said: 

Thank you for asking…

I’m not sure why people ask this question. What part did Paul speak of that didn’t have the basis in the Torah? (He (Paul) was a student of Gamaliel – very versed in the Torah)

” He (Paul) was a student of Gamaliel – very versed in the Torah

Not exactly:

“Saul (whose Roman cognomen was Paul; see Acts xiii. 9) was born of Jewish parents in the first decade of the common era at Tarsus in Cilicia (Acts ix. 11, xxi. 39, xxii. 3). The claim in Rom. xi. 1 and Phil. iii. 5 that he was of the tribe of Benjamin, suggested by the similarity of his name with that of the first Israelitish king, is, if the passages are genuine, a false one, no tribal lists or pedigrees of this kind having been in existence at that time (see Eusebius, “Hist. Eccl.” i. 7, 5; Pes. 62b; M. Sachs, “Beiträge zur Sprach- und Alterthumsforschung,” 1852, ii. 157). Nor is there any indication in Paul’s writings or arguments that he had received the rabbinical training ascribed to him by Christian writers, ancient and modern; least of all could he have acted or written as he did had he been, as is alleged (Acts xxii. 3), the disciple of Gamaliel I., the mild Hillelite. His quotations from Scripture, which are all taken, directly or from memory, from the Greek version, betray no familiarity with the original Hebrew text. The Hellenistic literature, such as the Book of Wisdom and other Apocrypha, as well as Philo (see Hausrath, “Neutestamentliche Zeitgeschichte,” ii. 18-27; Siegfried, “Philo von Alexandria,” 1875, pp. 304-310; Jowett, “Commentary on the Thessalonians and Galatians,” i. 363-417), was the sole source for his eschatological and theological system. Notwithstanding the emphatic statement, in Phil. iii. 5, that he was “a Hebrew of the Hebrews”—a rather unusual term, which seems to refer to his nationalistic training and conduct (comp. Acts xxi. 40, xxii. 2), since his Jewish birth is stated in the preceding words “of the stock of Israel”—he was, if any of the Epistles that bear his name are really his, entirely a Hellenist in thought and sentiment. “
SAUL OF TARSUS – JewishEncyclopedia.com

Like Paul faked a vision of having seen risen Jesus, while Jesus never died on the Cross in the first place, the same way his claim of being a student of Gamaliel I, is most certainly fake one in the wake of strong arguments given by the Jewish Encyclopedia, one gets to know, please. Right?

Regards

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Jesus’ Return

September 2, 2022

Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?

#59 Thread on ” Jesus’ Return “

Paarsurrey said:

None of the Pauline-Christianity people of the 45000+ denominations including the JWs and the Latter Day Saints could quote from Jesus that he would come back as a conquering King, as Jesus never claimed it, one, therefore, gets to know from it, please. Right?

Jesus’ “Second Coming”, since he died naturally (neither died on the Cross nor resurrected from the dead, I understand) is not to be in the physical and material form as those who die never return to this world in physical and material form, please. Right?

Instead of that somebody born of a father and mother was to come in Jesus’ character and spiritual status to clear Jesus from all the accusations that have been made against Jesus by the Hellenist-Paul, his associates and the Pauline-Church with reasonable arguments, it transpires, please. Right?

And Jesus’ himself explained it, didn’t he please. Right?
Paarsurrey added further:

” And Jesus’ himself explained it, as to what is meant by Second Coming of a person, didn’t he please. Right?”

John the Baptist was asked by a delegation of priests (present tense) “Art thou Elias”, he replied “I am not”:

John 1:21 “Then who are you?” they inquired. “Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.”

Matthew 11:14 -15:
14And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15He who has ears, let him hear.…
Matthew 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.

Didn’t Jesus declare that John-the-Baptist is in spirit/character/deeds is Elias/Elijah, please? Right?

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 is therefore Second in Coming of Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah in spirit/character/deeds , it transpires, please. Right?

Jesus did not die on the Cross, isn’t it therefore an accusation on Jesus (by the Pauline-Christianity)-that Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah is to come physically from the heaven and will rule as a worldly king, one must say, please? Right?

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Coming of The Messiah – The world is waiting for saviour

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“The trinity is false – I have proof “

May 10, 2023

paarsurrey post #18, thread, “ The trinity is false – I have proof ” on RF:

Sxxxxxxt said:

I believe the trinity is false. God is not a trinity. Proof?

1 Corinthians 14.33

For God is not the author of confusion

The trinity create confusion.

And

Exodus 20.5
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God

According to the trinity God has three I. But according to Exodus 20.5 God has only one I

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paarsurrey says: Sure Trinity is false, please, did Jesus- the truthful Israelite Messiah, ever use the word Trinity or advocate it?
If yes, then anybody to kindly quote from Jesus in first person, please.
I agree with one here, right?

Regards


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