“New Atheism is bad science “

June 9, 2021

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My friend Debilis has since ceased writing on his blog <https://fidedubitandum.wordpress.com/&gt;, so I reblog one of her articles here:

Bad Science book cover

Scientism is pseudoscience.

If that seems obvious, I can only say that there are many who still need to be told. It continues to strike me as incredible that so many people, who claim to be committed to a tough-minded scientific approach, can become so enamored with the idea that this unsupported (and blatantly incoherent) philosophy is the true spirit of scientific thought.

But what is particularly shocking is how often this kind of pseudoscience is promoted by scientists themselves. Richard Dawkins is, of course, the most obvious example, but there are others.

Still, as professor of the public understanding of the sciences, it was (specifically) Dawkins job to clear up muddles like this–rather than exacerbate the problem. The fact that he spent his career arguing for ‘scientific thought’ that was completely unsupported by any kind of scientific evidence did not help.

If Dawkins had understood this, perhaps scientism wouldn’t be running quite so rampant in modern culture. It rears its (vacuous) head every time someone demands physical evidence for a logical principle–or insists that materialism is true on the grounds of (completely arbitrarily) declaring that magic is the only other option.

One of the more popular incarnations is the appeal to the history of science. “We’ve never found any evidence for the non-natural” or so the phrase goes. I suppose there are dozens of responses to that, but the pertinent one is that absence of evidence is only significant if someone has actually looked for evidence at some point.

And there simply has never been a scientific experiment that tested for transcendence. To claim otherwise, or to claim that science shows things without testing for them is at least pseudoscience, if not downright superstition.

Yet this is exactly the kind of thinking being promoted by people who loudly claim to be the true champions of science. An actual understanding of science would be more careful about logical distinctions, slower to extrapolate philosophical conclusions from small amounts of data, and in general have a better grasp of what questions science is relevant to answer.

We see none of this in the New Atheists, and I find it astonishing that they haven’t been asked for evidence for their claims far more often.

New Atheism is Bad Science | Fide Dubitandum (wordpress.com)

Paarsurrey wrote:

  • paarsurrey
    May 22nd, 2014 at 1:40 pm@boxingpythagoras : May 22nd, 2014 at 5:41 am
    “[However, I’ve sometimes heard the word “scientism” applied to the claim that the Scientific Method is the best method yet discovered for discerning and disseminating an understanding of the way in which reality operates. I would wholeheartedly disagree with classifying this claim as “pseudoscience.”]”Within the physical and material realms; I agree that scientific method is useful as a tool; out of this it is of no use; and those who try to fit it everywhere definitely believe in magic not in science.Even science does not claim it.RegardsReply
    • Debilis
      May 31st, 2014 at 4:14 pmYes, this does seem to the be the point that keeps being missed. I’m hoping that more start to see it.In any case, best to you out there.

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One will, perhaps, love to read the following:

“Holy War”: Is it Armageddon? with its ” Peaceful Version”!

“Holy War”: Is it Armegiddon / Armageddon? – with its “Peaceful Version”! 1 | paarsurrey (wordpress.com)

One will be taken aback to note that Armegiddon/Armageddon is nothing like as one would have imagined or known so far. It is not to be fought with any physical and destructive weaponry and or the lethal arsenal of the day. It is peaceful and in fact, I understand, had already been started and it is sown like a seed!

It was a debate between the Pauline-Christianity (represented by Mr. Abdullah Atham) and the Second Coming 1835-1908 , that took place in Urdu language and was published then by the name “Jang-e-Muqaddas” in 1893 ( 22 May 1893 to 5 June 1893) in the then British India and has been recently translated and published in English by the name “The Holy War”:

Right?

From: a peaceful Ahmadiyya Muslim

Did Pauline-Christianity spread in Australia peacefully?

June 8, 2021

Busting the myth of peaceful settlement

First hand accounts, newspaper articles and diaries to reveal the tragically violent and bloody nature of Australia’s colonisation.

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For most of the 20th century, many Australians were taught about the peaceful settlement of Australia, featuring stirring tales of pioneer grit and endurance. But there’s another side to this story.

‘Mounted Police and Blacks’ depicts the massacre of Aboriginal people at Waterloo Creek by British troops.

“During the first half of the 20th century the Aborigines (sic) were written out of Australian history. This had the convenient effect of hiding much of the domestic bloodshed, allowing the celebration of what came to be viewed as a uniquely peaceful history of settlement… For generations weaned on this soothing syrup the new history of the frontier came as an unwelcome revelation and one often stoutly resisted.”
Henry Reynolds [1]

For most of the 20th century, many Australians were taught about the peaceful settlement of Australia, featuring stirring tales of pioneer grit and endurance. In the words of historian, Henry Reynolds, in this peaceful account of Australia’s colonisation “the frontier became a site of struggle with the land, not a fight for possession of it. The national narrative became one of a hard and heroic fight against nature itself rather than one of ruthless spoliation and dispossession. The squatter and the bushman became national heroes… No one wanted to notice the blood on their hands.” [2]

As a result of these misleading narratives,  “the vigour of Aboriginal resistance was forgotten”. [3] In contrast to the Maori and the Melanesian, Indigenous Australians were regarded as lacking the capacity to resist  invasion; instead, to quote one anthropologist from 1932, the Indigenous Australian “mutely dies”. [4]

In recent decades, however, many historians have exposed the narrative of peaceful colonisation as a myth, using first hand accounts, newspaper articles and diaries to reveal the tragically violent and bloody nature of Australia’s colonisation. Coming to terms with the facts of frontier violence and understanding the devastation that it left in its wake is key to moving forward together as Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians.

Australian Massacres

According to Indigenous historian, Larissa Behrendt, “In the beginning, Aboriginal people often met the newcomers with hospitality and generosity”. [5] However,  as it became evident that the settlers were here to stay and Indigenous people were dispossessed of more and more of their lands, denied access to traditional food and water sources, and subject to sexual abuse and slavery at the hands of the colonists, “attitudes began to change and conflict was inevitable.” [6]

Although the total number of casualties due to violent conflict is hotly contested (see Reynolds and Windshuttle), historical records do document numerous occasions on which Indigenous people were hunted and brutally murdered by the colonists. Massacres of Indigenous people often took the form of mass shootings or driving groups of people off cliffs. There are also numerous accounts of colonists offering Indigenous people food laced with arsenic and other poisons. 

Colonists were rarely punished for the atrocities committed against Indigenous people. The Myall Creek Massacre on the 10th June 1838 was one exception; seven white settlers were tried and hanged for the murder of 28 Indigenous people (mostly women, children and the elderly). However, in many instances, the killing of Indigenous people was endorsed by authorities.

Frontier violence often broke out in response to the spearing of cattle and livestock by Indigenous people, or the abduction and abuse of Indigenous girls and women by white men, and subsequent retaliatory killings. However, in some cases, hunting and murdering Indigenous people was regarded as sport, and took particularly brutal forms. 

Indigenous Resistance

It is important to emphasise, as Behrendt does, that: “Although the colonists eventually prevailed, Aboriginal people around Australia resisted incursions onto the land, often tenaciously, with violent and tragic outcomes.” [7]

Indigenous Australians didn’t passively accept the invasion of their land, resisting vigorously, and  sometimes violently. It was not only their physical survival that was threatened; their cultural and spiritual survival was also at stake as sacred sites were desecrated and connection to Country disrupted. In response, they sometimes employed guerrilla tactics, including raiding farms, killing stock, burning buildings, and even killing settlers. 

Pemulwuy was an Aboriginal warrior from the Bidjigal clan of the Dharug nation, and a leader of the resistance movement to the south and west of Sydney Cove. These conflicts became known as the Hawkesbury and Napean wars. 

Pemulwuy and his son, Tedbury, led raids on cattle stations, killing livestock and burning crops and buildings. The purpose of these raids was sometimes to obtain food, however they were often in retaliation for atrocities committed against Indigenous people, particularly the women. In response, Governor King ordered the shooting on site of any Aboriginal person in the Paramatta region, and a reward was announced for Pemulwuy’s death or capture.  

Pemulwuy survived two bullet wounds, but was eventually killed in June 1802 after being shot by two settlers. He was decapitated, and his head was shipped to England. His son, Tedbury, continued the resistance. [8]

Windradyne was another significant leader of the Aboriginal resistance to white colonisation in the Bathurst region of New South Wales, where several violent clashes between Aboriginal people and white settlers prompted Governor Brisbane to place the district under martial law in August 1824. A reward of 500 acres was offered for Wyndradyne’s capture due to his involvement in incidents resulting in the death of several white settlers. However, Wyndradyne avoided capture, and was formally pardoned when he appeared at the Governor’s annual feast in an apparent move to negotiate. He died on the 21st March 1829 due to wounds suffered during a tribal fight. [9]

Yagan was a Noongar (or Nyoongar) warrior, and led the Aboriginal resistance in the Perth region, Western Australia, until he was killed by colonists in 1833. His head was severed, preserved, and sent to England. The conflict in the area continued after Yagan’s death; in 1834, Governor Stirling led an attack known as the Battle of Pinjarra. Unofficial reports hold that a whole clan of Aboriginal people was extinguished. 

In 1997, Yagan’s skull was finally returned to the Noongar people. [10]

In some areas, such as Arnhem land, Aboriginal resistance succeeded in stalling the spread of the frontier. However, as Behrendt notes, “in the end, the squatters had the law and the firepower on their side.” [11] Indigenous people, their populations severely depleted by disease, dispossession and violence, drifted to the town fringes, cattle stations and christian missions. 

Despite this outcome, Indigenous people continue to demonstrate incredible resilience today as they fight for recognition of their dispossession and ongoing rights to land.ColonisationDispossession, disease and direct conflict.Early colonial attitudesNewspapers and journals shed light on 19th century attitudes which regarded Indigenous people as inferior.


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By Australians Together, last updated on 16 September 2020

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The News:

One will, perhaps, love to read
the following:

“Holy War”: Is it Armageddon? with its ” Peaceful
Version”!

“Holy War”: Is it Armegiddon / Armageddon? – with its
“Peaceful Version”! 1 | paarsurrey (wordpress.com)

You will be
taken aback to note that Armegiddon/Armageddon
is nothing like as one would have imagined or known so far. It is not to be fought with any physical and destructive weaponry and or the lethal arsenal of the day. It is peaceful and in fact, I understand, had already been started and it is sown like a seed!

It was a debate between the Pauline-Christianity (represented by Mr. Abdullah Atham) and the Second Coming 1835-1908 , that took place in Urdu language and was published then by the name “Jang-e-Muqaddas” in 1893 ( 22 May 1893 to 5 June 1893) in the then British India and has been recently translated and published in English by the name “The Holy War”:

https://www.alislam.org/library/books/The-Holy-War.pdf

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Ahmadiyya Muslim

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Peaceful spread of Islam in Australia

June 8, 2021

Peaceful spread of Islam in Australia (hubpages.com)

paarsurreyposted 11 years ago

Islam spread in Australia very peacefully, as per the teachings of Quran/Islam/Muhammad, this could be observed from the following account from Wikipedia:

Islam in Australia is the fourth largest religious grouping, after Christianity, “No Religion”, and Buddhism. According to the 2006 census, approximately 340,392 people or 1.71%[1] of the population identify as Muslim. Being a community defined by religious belonging, the Australian Muslim community is among the most ethnically and racially diverse, with members from every ethnic and racial background. As such, differing segments within the Australian Muslim community may also espouse additional identities, independent of their Muslim identity, often with related non-Muslim counterparts, either within Australia or overseas.

Although its presence as a religion in Australia is often perceived to be “new” by non-Muslim Australians, having largely been noticed after recent migratory waves from the diverse Muslim World — including the Middle East and North Africa, South East Asia, the Balkans of Europe, Indian sub continent, and most recently from Sub-Saharan Africa — Islam does in fact have a longer history in the land. This history stretches back not only to those few Muslims who arrived as part of the first European contact and during the colonial period, but prior to this and the eventual emergence of Christianity as the numerically dominant non-indigenous religion.

Pre-European Australia

The first Muslims in Australia were traders from ethnic groups indigenous to the Indonesian archipelago.[2]. The Macassan and Bugis traders from Indonesia may have had a harmonious relationship with the Indigenous people of northern Australia and their language became the lingua franca even among Aboriginal groups of different tribes.[3]

Macassan trepangers and Bugis traders from Sulawesi (formerly Celebes) visited the coast of northern Australia for hundreds of years prior to arrival of Europeans in Australia to fish for trepang (also known as sea cucumber or “sandfish”), a marine invertebrate prized for its culinary and medicinal values in Chinese markets.

During the voyages the Macassan’s left their mark on the people of northern Australia — in language, art, economy and even genetics in the descendants of both Macassan and Indigenous Australian ancestors that are now found on both sides of the Arafura and Banda Seas.[4]

First Fleet

The early fleets of settlers used Muslims from coastal Africa and the islands and territories under the British Empire, for labour and as navigators.

There were also a number of convicts who were sent to Australia for the crime of ‘disobedience’. Most of these early Muslims inter-married with the local community and their descendants were assimilated into the society. Little is known about them as they left no traces behind, except for a few scattered references to their names. It was not until the 19th century that a more permanent Islamic presence was recognised.

19th Century

Between 1860 and the 1890s many Central Asians came to Australia to work as “Afghan” camel drivers. Camels were first imported into Australia in 1840, initially for exploring the arid interior (see Australian camel), and later for the camel trains that were uniquely suited to the demands of Australia’s vast deserts. The first camel drivers arrived in Melbourne in June 1860, when eight Muslims and Hindus arrived with the camels for the Burke and Wills expedition. The next arrival of camel drivers was in 1866 when 31 men from Rajasthan and Baluchistan arrived in South Australia with camels for Thomas Elder. Although they came from several countries, they were usually known in Australia as ‘Afghans’ and they brought with them the first formal establishment of Islam in Australia.[5]

Many cameleers settled in the areas near Alice Springs and other areas of the Northern Territory and inter-married with the Indigenous population. It is therefore fitting that the Adelaide to Darwin railway is named The Ghan (short for The Afghan) in their memory.[6]

The first mosque in Australia was built in 1882 at Marree in South Australia.[7] The Great Mosque of Adelaide was built in 1890 by the descendants of the cameleers.
During the 1870s, Muslim Malay divers were recruited through an agreement with the Dutch to work on Western Australian and Northern Territory pearling grounds. By 1875, there were 1800 Malay divers working in Western Australia. Most returned to their home countries.

Early 20th Century

In the early twentieth century, Muslims of non-European descent experienced many difficulties in emigrating to Australia because of a government policy which limited immigration on the basis of links with Great Britain and Ireland. Known as the White Australia Policy, politicians of the era claimed that non-white immigrants would cause social disharmony.[8][9]
However, some Muslims still managed to come to Australia.

In the 1920s and 1930s Albanian Muslims were accepted along with Bosnian Muslims, whose European heritage made them more compatible with the White Australia Policy. Albanian Muslims built the first mosque in Victoria in Shepparton in 1960 and the first mosque in Melbourne in 1963. Bosnian Muslims established various multi-ethnic Islamic societies throughout Melbourne (notably Carlton) which included Muslims of different backgrounds. This occurred particularly in 1957 and 1961. In 1957 the multi-ethnic Islamic Society of Victoria was established and by 1961 was located in Carlton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Australia

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Peaceful spread of Islam in Australia (hubpages.com)

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You will, perhaps, love to read the following:

“Holy War”: Is it Armageddon? with its ” Peaceful Version”!

“Holy War”: Is it Armegiddon / Armageddon? – with its “Peaceful Version”! 1 | paarsurrey (wordpress.com)

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You will be taken aback to note that Armegiddon/Armageddon is nothing like as one would have imagined or known so far. It is not to be fought with any physical and destructive weaponry and or the lethal arsenal of the day. It is peaceful and in fact, I understand, had already been started and it is sown like a seed!

It was a debate between the Pauline-Christianity (represented by Mr. Abdullah Atham) and the Second Coming 1835-1908 , that took place in Urdu language and was published then by the name “Jang-e-Muqaddas” in 1893 ( 22 May 1893 to 5 June 1893) in the then British India and has been recently translated and published in English by the name “The Holy War”:



Right?

If yes, then share it with others, please.

Regards

From : a peaceful Ahmadiyya Muslim

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profile image0pburgerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

Salute paarsurrey

I am neither for or against the religious view
neither for or against the secular view
what ever rocks your boat
and so we can co-exist on this planet
I extend my hand to you my peaceful Muslim brother

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  • 54paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  • Hi friend pburger

    I also solute you.

    Thanks

crmhaskeposted 11 years ago

Wikipedia, such a reliable source. o_O

  • paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  • I don’t say it is so realiable; but it is a neutral source and good as a starting point for research. One may make more research and point out if there are correction to be made.

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  • 54paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  • Hi friend crmhaske

    One can edit the accounts of the Wikipedia if one likes and provide them with the correct facts if one has with one. They have a elaborate system for editing. You can benefit from it by providing them the corrections with evidences.

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71Greek Oneposted 11 years ago

what about the peaceful spread of Islam in Times Square??

paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

Hi friend Greek One

They did not do this following the teachings of Quran/Islam/Muhammad; hence no conversion followed; no one converts with violence. In fact they hindered the peaceful spread of Islam.

Islam spread peacefully in United States of America as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_America

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paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

Hi friends

Such incidents hamper spread of peaceful Islam; that is why it has been condemned by the peaceful Muslims:

http://bit.ly/dttFZB

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/05/ … lam-peace/

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paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

Hi friend tantrum

Quran/Islam/Muhammad did not enslave peoples minds; it convinced them with reasonable, rational and logical arguments.

Quran/Islam/Muhammad were against enslavement of the human beings and abolished slavery by all possible means.

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Peaceful spread of Islam in Kerala,India

June 8, 2021

Peaceful spread of Islam in India (hubpages.com)

paarsurreyposted 11 years ago

Islam in Kerala and Tamil Nadu

Malik Ibn Dinar and 20 other followers of Prophet Muhammad, first landed in Kodungallur in Kerala. Islam received royal patronage in some states here, and later spread to other parts of India. A local ruler gifted Dinar an abandoned Jain temple, where he established the first mosque in the Indian subcontinent in 629 C.E. Islamic scholars consider the mosque the second in the world to offer Jumma Prayer after the mosque in Medina, Saudi Arabia. His missionary team built ten additional mosques along the Malabar coast, including Kollam, Chaliyam, Pantalayini Kollam/Quilandi, Madayi/Pazhayangadi, Srikandhapuram, Dharmadom, Kasaragode,Mangalore, and Barkur. Reportedly, they built the mosques at Chombal, Kottayam, Poovar and Thengapattanam during that period.

After the fall of Chola Dynasty, the newly formed Vijayanagara Empire invited the Seljuk Turks from the fractions of Hanafi (known as Rowther in South India) for trade relations in 1279 C.E.. The largest armada of Turks traders and missionaries settled in Tharangambadi (Nagapattinam), Karaikal, Muthupet, Koothanallur and Podakkudi. Turks (Rowthers), failing to convert Hindus in Tanjore regions, settled in that area’s with their armada, expanding into an Islam community of almost one million Rowthers. These new settlements were now added to the Rowther community. Hanafi fractions, more closely connected with the Turkish than others in South, have fair complexions. Some Turkish Anatolian and Turkish Safavid inscriptions have been found in wide area from Tanjore to Thiruvarur and in many villages. Madras Museum display the inscriptions to the public.

In the 1300 C.E., Arabs settled in Nagore, Kilakkarai, Adirampattinam, Kayalpatnam, Erwadi and Sri Lanka. They may have been the first Shafi fractions community of Islam, known as Marakkar, in far south and coastal areas of South India. Shafi fractions also have mixed fair and darker complexion from their close connection with the Arabs. Arab traders opened many new villages in those areas and settles, conducting intensive missionary activities along the coast. A number of natives in Malaya and Indonesia embraced Islam. Arabs (Marakkar’s) missionaries married local women, converting them to Islam. The Marakkars became one of the largest Islamic communities with almost 2.5 million peoples.
Sufism and spread of Islam


The Masjid-i-Jahan Numa

Sufis played an important role in the spread of Islam in India. Their success in spreading Islam has been attributed to the parallels in Sufi belief systems and practices with Indian philosophical literature, in particular nonviolence and monism. The Sufis’ unorthodox approach towards Islam made it easier for Hindus to accept the faith. Hazrat Khawaja Muin-ud-din Chisti, Nizam-ud-din Auliya, Shah Jalal, Amir Khusro, Sarkar Sabir Pak, and Waris Pak trained Sufis for the propagation of Islam in different parts of India.

Once the Islamic Empire firmly established in India, Sufis invariably provided a touch of color and beauty to what might have otherwise been rather cold and stark reigns. The Sufi movement also attracted followers from the artisan and untouchable communities; they played a crucial role in bridging the distance between Islam and the indigenous traditions. Evidence of fanatical and violent conversions carried out by Sufi Muslims exists. Ahmed Sirhindi, Naqshbandi Sufi passionately advocated peaceful conversion of Hindus to Islam.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ent … Tamil_Nadu

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Peaceful spread of Islam in India (hubpages.com)

You will, perhaps, love to read the following:

“Holy War”: Is it Armegiddon / Armageddon? – with its “Peaceful Version”! 1

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/holy-war-is-it-armegiddon-armageddon-with-its-peaceful-version-1/

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Peaceful spread of Islam in India

June 8, 2021

Peaceful spread of Islam in India (hubpages.com)

paarsurreyposted 11 years ago

Hi friends

It is a wrong notion that Islam spread with sword or bloodshed. Islam never needed it; Islam’s brilliant teachings are sufficient to convince anybody for its natural spread.

This can be well observed from the following article:

Islam in India

From New World Encyclopedia


Islam in India constitutes the second-most practiced religion after Hinduism, with approximately 151 million Muslims in India’s population as of 2007 (according to government census 2001), i.e., 13.4 percent of the population.[1] Currently, India has the third largest population of Muslims in the world, after Indonesia and Pakistan.

Islam in India has had a fascinating, and powerful impact. Indeed, Islam has become woven into the very fabric of Indian civilization and culture. Muslims arrived in India during the life of Muhammad the Prophet, establishing mosques and organizing missionary endeavors in the seventh century C.E.

Those missionary efforts proved successful, rooting Islam firmly into Indian life. As often happens with missionary movements from all religions, merchant and trade endeavors went hand in hand with missionary work. Arabs had had a presence in India before the birth of Muhammad. That probably facilitated making inroads for Islam, since Arab traders established in India who converted to Islam already had a base of operations established.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ent … m_in_India

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55paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

Hi friend  skyfire

Mohitmisra is wrong here:

Islam in India has had a fascinating, and powerful impact. Indeed, Islam has become woven into the very fabric of Indian civilization and culture. Muslims arrived in India during the life of Muhammad the Prophet, establishing mosques and organizing missionary endeavors in the seventh century C.E. Those missionary efforts proved successful, rooting Islam firmly into Indian life. As often happens with missionary movements from all religions, merchant and trade endeavors went hand in hand with missionary work. Arabs had had a presence in India before the birth of Muhammad. That probably facilitated making inroads for Islam, since Arab traders established in India who converted to Islam already had a base of operations established.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ent … m_in_India

The politiacal wars were done laterby the rulers never representing Islam/Quran/Muhammad while Islam had already established in India earlier ; Islam/Quran/Muhammad had not instructed for the same, for spread of Islam.

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paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

Hi friend  IntimatEvolution

I think you are confusing peaceful spread of Islam with the political spread of Muslims. The politicians and rulers make wars ‘in the name of religion’ to rally people around them for their own benefit; the religion is not to be blamed for it; if it has not authorised for it in the roots of its teachings; ie in Quran for Muslims.

Please see the things in true perspective; they did things without any lawful authority from Quran/Islam/Muhammad. Quran/Islam/Muhammad did not harm even a single person, name just one such person, for forcible conversion to Islam.

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paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

Hi friend mohitmisra

It might have been only due to the love of their Parsee religion and apprehension that they might be forced to leave their religion.

It is many years ago that I read a book of about 300/400 page written by a Parsee Dastur; I have forgotten his name; he wrote that the Arabs at that time were the most democratic people and they succeeded because the Sassanid empire had already ruined its spirit and the society got corrupted.

Muhammad did not force anybody to convert to his religion; he did not kill anybody to convert to his religion. In fact he upheld freedom of religion and freedom of expression more than it is now in the West. It was the power or gravitational pull of his character, his morals and his teachings that people rallied around him. Those who belong to the powers that be did not accept him and were afraid that he would turn everything upside down; it was only their fear he had no such intention.
Muhammad did not attack Persia; in fact he loved Nausherwan the Just and was proud of being born in his time, Hejaz was under subjugation of Persia; who had a governor in Yemen.

It was at a later time that it happened; not in Muhammad’s time or under his direct orders ; so it is beside the point of our discussion. We restrict ourselves to the roots only.

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Peaceful spread of Islam in India (hubpages.com)

You will, perhaps, love to read the following:

“Holy War”: Is it Armegiddon / Armageddon? – with its “Peaceful Version”! 1

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/holy-war-is-it-armegiddon-armageddon-with-its-peaceful-version-1/

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Did Christianity spread in America peacefully?!

June 8, 2021

https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/forum/42560/peaceful-spread-of-islam-in-united-states#

paarsurreyposted 10 years ago

Hi friends

Christianity spread in America by killing millions of native people; but Islam spread there very peacefully.

Christians killed 100,000,000. natives to spread Christianity in America.

Did they not?

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55paarsurreyposted 10 years agoin reply to this

Hi friend

Just google and you would get many such sites, one I quote here:

Spread of Christianity:

1.And where is the document that presents a papal granted moral right for indigenous peoples to own land and be independent sovereign nations? What has the Roman Catholic hierarchy and other Christian Church leaders had to say about the 60,000,000 to 80,000,000 indigenous inhabitants of the Western hemisphere who had perished by the end of the 16th century? And what have they had to say about the probable 100,000,000 native peoples who have been killed in the course of the on-going Christian ‘civilization’ of the Western hemisphere”?

2.The story of the Christian Inquisition against the Hindus in Goa is also a dismal record of Christian barbarism and cruelty; tyranny and injustice; avarice and corruption, repression of Hindu thought and culture, and promotion of obscurantism. The conversion of Hindus of Goa to Christianity was one of the main activities of the Portuguese Rulers in close association with the Missionaries — Society of Jesus, Franciscans and others. Fraud, force and favoritism were the standard methods of ’saving souls’ or ‘conversion’ employed by the Christian missionaries in Goa. From available data we can see that more than 200,000 Hindus were tortured and killed and more than 500,000 Hindus were forcibly converted to Christianity from 1560 to 1812.

http://originalblessing.ning.com/profil … -committed

There is lot more to the credit of Christianity.

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https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/forum/42560/peaceful-spread-of-islam-in-united-states#

One will, perhaps, love to read the following:

“Holy War”: Is it Armegiddon / Armageddon? – with its “Peaceful Version”! 1

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/holy-war-is-it-armegiddon-armageddon-with-its-peaceful-version-1/

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From : a peaceful Ahmadiyya Muslim

Peaceful spread of Islam in the United States of America

June 8, 2021

https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/forum/42560/peaceful-spread-of-islam-in-united-states#

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  • 55paarsurreyposted 11 years agoHi friends

    Islam spread in the world very peacefully due to its marvelous, simple and matter of fact teachings; the same way in United States of America.

    Please see for yourself:

    Islam in the United States

    The earliest documented cases of Muslims to come to the United States were two West African slaves: Ayuba Suleiman Diallo, who was brought to America in 1731 and returned to Africa in 1734,[1] and Omar Ibn Said in the mid 19th century. There has been some speculation that a Moor slave Estevanico of Azamor, who had converted to Christianity [2][3][4] 14 years before his arrival in North America in the early 16th century, was at least the first born Muslim to enter the historical record in North America.[5] There is also a tradition of an Egyptian named Norsereddin who settled in the Hudson Valley during colonial times. Once very small, the Muslim population of the US increased greatly in the twentieth century, with much of the growth driven by rising immigration and widespread conversion.[6] In 2005, more people from Islamic countries became legal permanent United States residents — nearly 96,000 — than in any year in the previous two decades.[7][8] The new position has been created under white house executive office as a United States special envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference to promote relation between Islamic world and United States government.
    Recent immigrant Muslims make up the majority of the total Muslim population. Native-born American Muslims are mainly African Americans who make up a quarter of the total Muslim population. Many of these have converted to Islam during the last seventy years. Conversion to Islam in prison,[9] and in large urban areas[10] has also contributed to its growth over the years. American Muslims come from various backgrounds, and are one of the most racially diverse religious group in the United States according to a 2009 Gallup poll.[11]
    A Pew report released in 2009 noted that nearly six-in-ten American adults see Muslims as being subject to discrimination, more than Mormons, Atheists, or Jews.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_America

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/forum/42560/peaceful-spread-of-islam-in-united-states#

OOO

55paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

Hi friend luvpassion

There is no Controversy in it; it is a part of history forgotten:

The history of Islam in the United States can be divided into three periods: the colonization period, post World War I period, and the last few decades.[13]

[edit] Muslims in early United States
Estevanico of Azamor may have been the first Muslim to enter the historical record in North America. Estevanico was a Berber originally from North Africa who explored the future states of Arizona and New Mexico for the Spanish Empire. Estevanico came to the Americas as a slave of the 16th-century Spanish explorer Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca. After joining the ill-fated Narváez expedition in 1527, Cabeza de Vaca and Estevanico were captured and enslaved by Indians, escaping to make an arduous journey along the coast of the Gulf of Mexico. In 1539 Estevanico guided the first Spanish explorations of what is now the American Southwest.[14]

N. Brent Kennedy has speculated that during the period 1567-1587, Moors and Turks were brought to the present-day Carolinas by Sir Francis Drake and/or by Portuguese or Spanish expeditions, and that some of these intermarried with Native Americans, giving rise to the Melungeon communities of Southern Appalachia.[15] Amadou-Mahtar M’Bow, a Senegalese educator and former UNESCO director, has made similar assertions.[16] The claim is not widely accepted.

An early Egyptian immigrant is mentioned in the accounts of the Dutch settlers of the Catskills Mountains and recorded in the 1884 History of Greene County, New York. According to this tradition, an Egyptian named “Norsereddin” settled in the Catskills in the vicinity of the Catskill Mountain House. He befriended the Indian chief, Shandaken, and sought the hand of his daughter Lotowana in marriage. Rejected, he poisoned Lotowana and in consequence was caught and burned alive.[17][18]

In 1790, the South Carolina legislative body granted special legal status to a community of Moroccans, twelve years after the Sultan of Morocco became the first foreign head of state to formally recognize the United States.[19] In 1796, then president John Adams signed a treaty declaring the United States had no “character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen”.[20]

Alexander Russell Webb is considered by historians to be the earliest prominent Anglo-American convert to Islam in 1888. In 1893 he was the only person representing Islam at the first Parliament for the World’s Religions.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_America

I am just refreshing you about peaceful spread of Islam in the world.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

OOO

paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

Hi friend Cagsil

I never said that 100% population of America is Muslim; I only meant that the 5% Muslim in America, as you have mentioned, have spread in America peacefully without a war.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

OOO

paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

Hi friend crmhaske

So it were not the Quran/Islam/Muhammad who entered American lands by fighting and killing people. Muslims even if they entered America and Australia by way of immigration; but they entered peacefully; yet another form of spreading peacefully. It must be very clear.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

OOO

You will, perhaps, love to read the following:

“Holy War”: Is it Armegiddon / Armageddon? – with its “Peaceful Version”! 1

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/holy-war-is-it-armegiddon-armageddon-with-its-peaceful-version-1/

Right?

If yes, then share with others, please.

Regards

From : a peaceful Ahmadiyya Muslim

Fouad Accad’s Building Bridges: Second Edition by by Jeffrey Hayes and Philippe Accad 

June 7, 2021

Fouad Accad’s Building Bridges: Second Edition Kindle Edition

by Jeffrey Hayes (Author), Philippe Accad (Author)  Format: Kindle Edition

“Fouad Accad’s Building Bridges, Second Edition is a revision and updating of Accad’s 1997 book Building Bridges. It is a primer for Christians and Muslims who want to build bridges of friendship and respect based on a study of the Bible and the Qur’an. There are seven chapters that provide important cultural information and attitudes of a learner necessary to avoid common hindrances to building bridges. This is followed by seven more chapters of what was originally known as The Seven Muslim-Christian Principles. These principles, drawn from verses quoted from the Tawrat (Old Testament), Zabur (Psalms), Injeel (New Testament) and Qur’an, are sequential principles that lay a foundation and end up with personal application of the truths that are presented. The last three chapters cover areas that are among the most common obstacles to fruitful dialogue and relationships, and show how what the Bible and the Qur’an agree upon allows for agreement on these thorny issues. This is an excellent primer that helps Christians and Muslims understand each other and study together.”

OOO

Paarsurrey comments for the viewers:

In fact, I understand, Jesus and Muhammad are already hand in glove with one another. It is Pauline-Christianity (with all its 32000+ plus denominations from Catholicism to Protestantism to the later JWs and LDS) that created wedge between the truthful followers of Jesus and Muhammad.

I visualize that G-d had destined and has now sent Second Coming 1835-1908,  to fulfil the prophecies by Jesus and Muhammad together, to bridge the gaps with peaceful dialogue and on firm foundation based on truth. Right?

Regards

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The News:

You will, perhaps, love to read the following:

“Holy War”: Is it Armegiddon / Armageddon? – with its “Peaceful Version”! 1

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/holy-war-is-it-armegiddon-armageddon-with-its-peaceful-version-1/

Right?

If yes, then share with others, please.

Regards

From : a peaceful Ahmadiyya Muslim

“Back to the Books!” by JEFFREY HAYES

June 7, 2021

“Back to the Books! : How much do the Bible and the Qur’an Actually Agree? (An Evangelical Perspective) Kindle” Edition

by JEFFREY HAYES (Author)  Format: Kindle Edition

“Relatively few Christians have any deep, first-hand knowledge of Muslims, and relatively few Muslims have any deep, first-hand knowledge of Christians. As a result, most Muslims and Christians assume that the other is totally wrong about who God is, that the other’s book is wrong, and that they have very little in common with each other. Our opinions are often based on rumors and negative portrayals by the media, and are driven by fear and hatred. Muslims and Christians have traditionally focused on the differences in their traditions, theology, and culture. Because of historical conflict, their attitudes have generally been negative, assuming the worst. Indeed, there are significant differences between our traditions and our theologies. But as we get closer to our sources, the Bible and the Qur’an, we will find that there are fewer and less severe differences. Even translations of the Bible and the Qur’an often tend to emphasize distinctives and differences, rather than similarities and commonalities. Back to the Books! goes back to the original sources (the Bible in Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic for Christians and the Qur’an in Arabic for Muslims), and examines what they actually say about 27 topics crucial to our lives and interactions. These have been traditionally viewed as points of conflict, but Back to the Books! gives you the evidence so you can see how close they actually are. When you examine what the Bible and the Qur’an actually say, you will be amazed at how much they agree! Because of our lack of understanding of each other’s books, both Christians and Muslims have sometimes distanced themselves from each other. Back to the Books! looks at the Bible and the Qur’an with an attitude of respect, and shows that together we can find unity. Muslims and Christians comprise more than half the population of the world, and if Muslims and Christians can come together around our books in understanding and friendship, we can be a powerful force to transform our wayward cultures and turn them back to God. This book looks at five areas: The Books, The Religions, The Nature of God, The Prophets, and Eternal Destiny. The second edition of Back to the Books! is thoroughly revised and expanded from the first edition.”

Back to the Books!: How Much do the Bible and the Qur’an Actually Agree (An Evangelical Perspective): Hayes, Jeffrey C.: 9798651221967: Amazon.com: Books

I have read the summary/review provided by Amazon/Kindle sent by one, and given above .

My understanding is:

1.   that Jesus was a Jew and he was not a Christian.

2.   So naturally Jesus never believed in the God-concept of Pauline-Christianity.

Right, please?

Regards

Dawkins, Hitchens, and Harris, falsely being treated representative of New Atheism: Richard Carrier

June 5, 2021

paarsurrey

I have written following comments on Richard Carrier’s “Freethought Blogs”.
Topic: “Minor Corrections to Crossley’s Jesus in an Age of Neoliberalism” by Richard Carrier

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/5354#comment-203221

paarsurrey
April 23, 2014 at 9:22 am (awaiting moderation)

“Similarly, Crossley rightly takes to task the reactionary Islamophobia of Dawkins, Hitchens, and Harris, but falsely treats that as representative of New Atheism, when in fact the bulk of the New Atheist movement has been consistently criticizing them for precisely these views.” Unquote

I read Hitchens book “God is not great”; and noticed that he had no in-depth study of Quran/Islam/Muhammad and generalized things from his experience with Christianity and had a biased view of Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

In the entire book Hitchens could not quote even a single verse from Quran in support of his views about Quran/Islam/Muhammad; though the title of the book suggests that his intention was to write the book against Islam.

I appreciate…

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