“Did Baha’ullah read and understand Quran correctly?”

May 24, 2017

Blog Post # 2067

I started the above thread at my favourite discussion forum  (religiousforum.com). One could view/join the discussion by clicking Post #19 .

 

Post #19 paarsurrey wrote:

I don’t agree with one.
Even the link given by one does not translate it ”Cause of God”. So one’s point is not correct. Kindly understand the Quranic verse correctly, however, there is no compulsion whatsoever for one to make one’s understanding correct. Please
Regards

Note # 1
We get from the above fairly and reasonably that either Baha’ullah did not study Quran intently or he simply misunderstood Quran. Or he wanted to mislead his followers. We could certainly conclude from the above that Baha’ullah was never a god, he was not even a prophet/messenger of God. His son Abdul Baha was never a son of god.
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Note # 2 :
One could view from the website quoted by the Bahai that “amrunā” has been translated as “Our Command” and not “Cause” as done by the Bahais or Bahaullah.

Arabic وَمَا أَمْرُنَا إِلَّا وَاحِدَةٌ كَلَمْحٍ بِالْبَصَرِ zoom
English Transliteration Arabic Arabic Root Audio
And not wamā وَمَا م ا
(is) Our Command amrunā أَمْرُنَا ا م ر
but illā إِلَّا ا ل ل ا
one, wāḥidatun وَاحِدَةٌ و ح د
like the twinkling kalamḥin كَلَمْحٍ ل م ح
(of) the eye. bil-baṣari بِالْبَصَرِ ب ص ر

Note # 3:

The website http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/54/50/default.htm gives about forty English translation of the Quran verse 54:50 by Muslims and Non-Muslims, none of these has translated the expression “amrunā” as “Cause of God” as held by the Bahai/s.

Arabic Source and Roman Transliteration
Arabic وَمَا أَمْرُنَا إِلَّا وَاحِدَةٌ كَلَمْحٍ بِالْبَصَرِ zoom
Transliteration Wama amruna illa wahidatun kalamhin bialbasari zoom
Literal
(Word by Word)
And not (is) Our Command but one, like the twinkling (of) the eye. zoom
Generally Accepted Translations of the Meaning
Muhammad Asad and Our ordaining [a thing and its coming into being] is but one [act], like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
M. M. Pickthall And Our commandment is but one (commandment), as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) And Our Command is but a single (Act),- like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Yusuf Ali (Orig. 1938) And Our Command is but a single (Act),- like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Shakir And Our command is but one, as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Wahiduddin Khan We command but once: Our will is done in the twinkling of an eye; zoom
Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar and Our command is not but one as the twinkling of the eye. zoom
T.B.Irving Our command comes only once, in the twinkling of an eye! zoom
The Clear Quran, Dr. Mustafa Khattab Our command is but a single word, done in the blink of an eye. zoom
Safi Kaskas Our command is but one word, like a twinkling of an eye. zoom
[Al-Muntakhab] Thus, Our command to bring into being anything, spiritual animate or inanimate, or to bring into effect any proceedings is but a single act executed instantaneously, like the twinkle of an eye. zoom
[The Monotheist Group] (2011 Edition) And Our commands are done at once with the blink of an eye. zoom
Abdel Haleem when We ordain something it happens at once, in the blink of an eye; zoom
Abdul Majid Daryabadi And Our commandment shall be but one, as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Ahmed Ali And Our command is but one (word) swift as the winking of an eye. zoom
Aisha Bewley Our command is only one word, like the blinking of an eye. zoom
Ali Ünal And Our commanding is not other than a single (command), like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Ali Quli Qara’i and Our command is but a single [word], like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Hamid S. Aziz And Our command is but one, as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali And in no way is Our Command anything except one (Word), as the twinkling of the eye. (Literally: the power of beholding) zoom
Muhammad Sarwar It takes only a single command from Us (to bring the Day of Judgment) and that can be achieved within the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Muhammad Taqi Usmani And (implementation of) Our command is no more than a single act like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Shabbir Ahmed And Our Command is but a single Word, like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Syed Vickar Ahamed And Our Command is but a single (Act)— Like the twinkle of an eye. zoom
Umm Muhammad (Sahih International) And Our command is but one, like a glance of the eye. zoom
Farook Malik We command but once and Our will is done in the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Dr. Munir Munshey Our command (and its execution) is just one, (a single event). It comes about in a flash of an eye. zoom
Dr. Mohammad Tahir-ul-Qadri And Our command comes into action once and for all as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Dr. Kamal Omar And Our Command is not but (just) a single (decree) like a twinkling of the eye. zoom
Talal A. Itani (new translation) And Our command is but once, like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Bilal Muhammad (2013 Edition) And Our command is only a single act, like the blink of an eye. zoom
Maududi Our command consists of only one Word which is carried out in the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Ali Bakhtiari Nejad And Our command is only once, like a blink of an eye. zoom
[The Monotheist Group] (2013 Edition) And Our commands are done at once with the blink of an eye. zoom
Mohammad Shafi And Our Command is just one! Like the twinkling of an eye! zoom
Controversial, deprecated, or status undetermined works
Bijan Moeinian It will take only a twinkle of an eye for My (God’s) command to be fulfilled. zoom
Faridul Haque And Our command is only a fleeting one – like the batting of an eyelid. zoom
Hasan Al-Fatih Qaribullah And Our Order is but one word like the flashing of an eye. zoom
Maulana Muhammad Ali Surely We have created everything according to a measure. zoom
Muhammad Ahmed – Samira And Our order/command (is) except one as/like a twinkling/quick glance with the eye sight. zoom
Sher Ali And Our command is carried out by only one Word as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Rashad Khalifa Our commands are done within the blink of an eye. zoom
Ahmed Raza Khan (Barelvi) And Our work is only a matter as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Amatul Rahman Omar Our command is (at once carried out by) only one (word) as quickly as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Muhsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilali And Our Commandment is but one, as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Non-Muslim and/or Orientalist works
Arthur John Arberry Our commandment is but one word, as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Edward Henry Palmer and our bidding is but one (word), like the twinkling of an eye! zoom
George Sale And our command is no more than a single word, like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
John Medows Rodwell Our command was but one word, swift as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
N J Dawood (draft) We command but once: Our will is done in the twinkling of an eye. zoom
New and/or Partial Translations, and works in progress
Mir Aneesuddin And Our command is but one, like the twinkling of an eye. zoom

http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/54/50/default.htm

 

“Problems with the Baha’i faith”

May 23, 2017

Paarsurrey wrote:

Which book Bahaullah means here? Kindly give name of the book and the verse with the context verses. Please
Regards

Please click the post  #160 to access the thread at the Forum.
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Note: No Bahai could give the name of a book specifically as requested.

Can we remove the dogma from science?

April 4, 2017

#1 paarsurrey

Please
Regards

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https://www.quora.com/Has-science-become-too-dogmatic

 

Is eulogizing science out of proportion a symptom of scientism rather than science?

April 4, 2017

#1 paarsurrey

Is faith in science out of its limitations a symptom of scientism rather than science? Please
Regards

Muhammad smashed no idols physically. Did he? _________(2)

April 4, 2017

I wrote following post on the above topic in my most cherished discussion forum Religious Forums

Please click the post numbers to get to the discussion:

#730 paarsurrey

The Kaaba was owned:

  1. Equally by Muhammad and the Meccans who were all descendants of Abraham and Ishmael, who had built this worship house for worship of ONE God, Muhammad was even more entitled to it because he wanted to restore it to its original position. Abraham and Ishmael never put any idols in it. Rather than going to other temples and emptying them from the idols , Abraham thought it proper, for peace, to build a house of worship of his own where his progeny could worship ONE God. So, Muhammad had every right to empty it from the idols that were put later on in the house , for which he gave reasonable and brilliant arguments to the Meccans.

Please
Regards

Experiencing God

April 2, 2017

Paarsurrey posts on the above topic, please read the last post first, in the reverse order.

  1. paarsurrey

    Please elaborate. Regards

    Post by: paarsurrey, Yesterday at 11:32 AM in forum: General Religious Debates
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Which God or no-god is Truthful?

April 2, 2017

What is wrong with smashing the idols?
sub-title: Which God or no-god is Truthfu

My most cherished discussion forum Religious Forums

I give here my posts and posts from others, mentioning the post numbers without giving the names of the other persons whose posts I wrote my comments on. Please click the post numbers to get to know the persons.

#705 paarsurrey wrote:

What is wrong with smashing the idols?
sub-title: Which God or no-god is Truthful? (reference post #701 to #703 )

No-God cannot create anything from nothing. Right? Please
The truthful God is ascertained from the attributes of a religion (or no-religion) given in its scripture that are the verities or His attributes reflected in the nature, created by Him. Please
Regards

Is the Scientific Method really Scientific?—-(2)

April 2, 2017

I started a thread on the above topic in my most cherished discussion forum Religious Forums

I give here my posts mentioning the post numbers without giving the names of persons in response to whose posts I wrote my comments. Please click the post numbers to get to know the persons.

#1 paarsurrey, 

Is the Scientific Method really Scientific?
All methods are philosophical so must it be. Please

Regards

#31

Paarsurrey wrote: #31

“a changing gravitational constant”

Is it because it helps the humans to have some perception of the Ever-Eternal-God, His Oneness does not change, is ever-constant , yet His attributes change all the time, so other things created by Him always keep changing/moving/orbiting, cannot stop unless He commands them to stop, and they finish? Please
Regards

Is faith the backbone of Science?

April 2, 2017

I started a thread on the above topic in my most cherished discussion forum Religious Forums

I give here my posts mentioning the post numbers without giving the names of persons in response to whose posts I wrote my comments. Please click the post numbers to get to know the persons.

#1 paarsurrey

Is faith the backbone of Science?
Please

Regards

#3 l.……. wrote:

No. Science uses the scientific method of repeated experimentation and observation to battle any use of faith. When a “scientific theory” is presented, scientists scramble to do their best to disprove it.

Paarsurrey comments: #20

“repeated experimentation and observation to battle any use of faith.”

  1. Does repeated “experimentation and observation” make it immune from the errors or blunders?
  2. After how many experimentation the result understood/interpreted will be considered 100% correct?
  3. Has it ever happened that the result understood to be correct was later found to be erroneous?
  4. The word “repeated” shows that doubt was there in the very first place, and it was only out of faith that the  exercise was continued. Science is, therefore, the fruit of faith.
  5. It is not a “battle” with faith, rather it is battle with doubt. Human conscience reject doubt, faith generates peace and  progress .
So, it is faith and faith alone in the “experimentation and observation” that science, the scientists and the people dealing in science that science “works”  and continues its endeavors. Please
Right? Please

Regards

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Search/Research:

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http://teacher.nsrl.rochester.edu/phy_labs/AppendixE/AppendixE.html

 

 

Is the Scientific Method really Scientific?

April 1, 2017

I started a thread on the above topic in my most cherished discussion forum Religious Forums

I give here my posts mentioning the post numbers without giving the names of persons in response to whose posts I wrote my comments. Please click the post numbers to get to know the persons.

#1 paarsurrey, 

Is the Scientific Method really Scientific?
All methods are philosophical so must it be. Please

Regards

#2 S……….. said:

“In other words, is the method used by those who claim to be good at gathering knowledge truly something that can be considered knowledge by those who claim to be good at gathering knowledge?”

Of course not. 

Paarsurrey Comments:

  1. Does one mean that science is circular in reasoning? Please
  2. Those who gather knowledge do it on faith  of it being useful. Had they no faith they won’t have gathered it? Right? Please

#3 i…….. said:

Scientists do have values. Scientists value:

– logic and critical thinking
– evidence
– verifiability and repeatability
– discovering new things

If you don’t value those things, you probably won’t value science. BUT, you probably DO value those things, you just haven’t thought about it.

If you use any technology from cars to computers, then you value the things that science values, because none of those things are possible without those values.

#4 S.…….said in response:

Thus, if I like using my cell phone, I must believe in tectonic plate subduction?

Paarsurrey comments on #3 above:

  1. Science is under discussion please, not the scientists. Please
  2. Value of a thing is finite, and is limited by its scope that is clearly defined; it has no value out of its scope. It will be just irrelevant.

#5 l.……. wrote in response to #1 :

The scientific method is the basis of science. So, it would be absurd to claim that the scientific method is not scientific.

sci·ence
ˈsīəns/
noun

  1. the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

sci·en·tif·ic meth·od
noun

a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

Paarsurrey comments:

  1. Please quote from a textbook of science that scientific method is not a philosophical method. If that would have been the case the science need not have had a discipline called “Philosophy of science”, in fact science was not a separate subject but was a branch of philosophy in the past.
  2. The scientific method is the basis of science. So, it would be absurd to claim that the scientific method is not scientific.
  3. Does one agree that science is limited to the “physical and natural” and has no value out of these realms?