Was Paul a student of Gamaliel?: Jewish Encyclopedia

Kxxx said: ↑

Thank you for asking…

I’m not sure why people ask this question. What part did Paul speak of that didn’t have the basis in the Torah? (He (Paul) was a student of Gamaliel – very versed in the Torah)

” He (Paul) was a student of Gamaliel – very versed in the Torah“

Not exactly:

“Saul (whose Roman cognomen was Paul; see Acts xiii. 9) was born of Jewish parents in the first decade of the common era at Tarsus in Cilicia (Acts ix. 11, xxi. 39, xxii. 3). The claim in Rom. xi. 1 and Phil. iii. 5 that he was of the tribe of Benjamin, suggested by the similarity of his name with that of the first Israelitish king, is, if the passages are genuine, a false one, no tribal lists or pedigrees of this kind having been in existence at that time (see Eusebius, “Hist. Eccl.” i. 7, 5; Pes. 62b; M. Sachs, “Beiträge zur Sprach- und Alterthumsforschung,” 1852, ii. 157). Nor is there any indication in Paul’s writings or arguments that he had received the rabbinical training ascribed to him by Christian writers, ancient and modern; least of all could he have acted or written as he did had he been, as is alleged (Acts xxii. 3), the disciple of Gamaliel I., the mild Hillelite. His quotations from Scripture, which are all taken, directly or from memory, from the Greek version, betray no familiarity with the original Hebrew text. The Hellenistic literature, such as the Book of Wisdom and other Apocrypha, as well as Philo (see Hausrath, “Neutestamentliche Zeitgeschichte,” ii. 18-27; Siegfried, “Philo von Alexandria,” 1875, pp. 304-310; Jowett, “Commentary on the Thessalonians and Galatians,” i. 363-417), was the sole source for his eschatological and theological system. Notwithstanding the emphatic statement, in Phil. iii. 5, that he was “a Hebrew of the Hebrews”—a rather unusual term, which seems to refer to his nationalistic training and conduct (comp. Acts xxi. 40, xxii. 2), since his Jewish birth is stated in the preceding words “of the stock of Israel”—he was, if any of the Epistles that bear his name are really his, entirely a Hellenist in thought and sentiment. “
SAUL OF TARSUS – JewishEncyclopedia.com

Like Paul faked a vision of having seen risen Jesus, while Jesus never died on the Cross in the first place, the same way his claim of being a student of Gamaliel I, is most certainly fake one in the wake of strong arguments given by the Jewish Encyclopedia, one gets to know, please. Right?

Regards

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Was Paul a student of Gamaliel?: Jewish Encyclopedia

The Pagan Christ (3)

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/the-pagan-christ.220001/page-2#post-6075880

sxxxx said: ↑

Paul wrote at least thirteen letters that are included in the New Testament. Scholars have debated whether or not Hebrews was written by Paul; if Paul wrote Hebrews, that would make his total contribution to the Bible fourteen books.

#35 paarsurrey

That is too much, and no Letter or Gospel-Book written by Jesus and he was a trained , intelligent and wise Rabbi of Jews.
It speaks a lot. Paul was a dead enemy of the “Sheep” as well the “Sheppard”, he Himself admitted. He employed the technique of “Love and Sales” and harmed them both in another way, when Jesus migrated or took asylum to a peaceful abode in a land of natural fountains a heaven on Earth and died a natural death at the age of about 120 years, leaving wife/s and children. He survived a cursed death on Cross against all odds and refused to be a god and or son-of-god in physical and material sense. Right, please?

Regards

The Pagan Christ

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/the-pagan-christ.220001/#post-6073824

#5 paarsurrey

The Pagan Christ

Paul hijacked Jesus’ true teachings and replaced then with the pagan teachings and the “Sheep”, unaware of this, were made pagans. This was all done in the name of Jesus:

“such as virgin birth, deity father, star in the east, raising of the dead, descent into hell, crucifixion, resurrection, and others. Harpur claims that virtually all words and actions attributed to Jesus in the gospels “originated thousands of years before.”[4]”
The Pagan Christ – Wikipedia
The question arises, was Paul the seed of the Anti-Christ that grew up and spread into the world as Christianity?

Regards

Add: Jesus is most likely a continuation of Osiris and Dionysus : DebateReligion

#7 

Paul is the middleman of Pauline-Christianity

Jesus was a prophet/messenger of One-True-God appointed by Him, so Jesus is not the middleman. Jesus just conveyed the Message given by One-True-God to him.Had Jesus not conveyed the message exactly he must have been punished by One-True-God.

Thread: “No-MiddleMan Movement “Discussion around the traces of middlemen in each religion
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

Post 4:

s—-r.d———-h wrote: We believe that the world has an intelligent creator; one need not to abandon reason to live as a believer; life is a continuous, reasonable search for truth, which should lead to doing beautiful deeds; but no exclusive doctrine can claim the “right” path towards this. These are the middlemen who always come up with something very specific in their doctrine and introduce it as the “secret sauce” for salvation, to color their followers differently and to establish a “us vs. them” mindset. D———–t wrote: How is the above not already a very specialized religious position? Christianity necessarily has a “middleman” in Christ. In Christianity Christ is the one who claim to be the only “right path”. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Paarsurrey says: Jesus was a prophet/messenger of One-True-God appointed by Him, so Jesus is not the middleman. Jesus just conveyed the Message given by One-True-God to him.Had Jesus not conveyed the message exactly he must have been punished by One-True-God: [69:45] And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to Us, [69:46] We would surely have seized him by the right hand, [69:47] And then surely We would have severed his life-artery, [69:48] And not one of you could have held Us off from him. https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=69&verse=46 Right, please? Pauline-Christianity does not have the true teachings of Jesus or message of the One-True-God. It is the fiction created by Paul, so Paul is the middleman of Pauline-Christianity. Right, please? Regards

Paul was the wolf in sheep’ clothing

Colossians* is not written by Jesus.
It is written by Paul, he did not quote from Torah, and did not mention as to what was his source of knowledge. Jesus did not claim to be a firstborn. Did he, please?
I understand from Jesus as mentioned in Gospels that Paul was the wolf in sheep’ clothing** and the false prophet** against whom Jesus warned his followers. 

Thread: “Questions: The first born of all creation? “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

Post 66:

paarsurrey1 wrote: Wasn’t Adam the first born, please?Regards E–wrote: No Christ was: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: (including Adam) (Col:1-15) paarsurrey1 wrote: If Adam was not firstborn, then how did he come into existence,please? Did Adam evolve through million years of Evolution,please? E–wrote: Christ created him: For by him were all things created, (including Adam) that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (Col 1:16) But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. (1Co 11:3) Peace. paarsurrey1 wrote: Colossians* is not written by Jesus. It is written by Paul, he did not quote from Torah, and did not mention as to what was his source of knowledge. Jesus did not claim to be a firstborn. Did he, please? I understand from Jesus as mentioned in Gospels that Paul was the wolf in sheep’ clothing** and the false prophet** against whom Jesus warned his followers. Right, please? Regards _________ *Epistle to the Colossians-Authorship “The letter’s authors claim to be Paul and Timothy, but authorship began to be authoritatively questioned during the 19th century.[9] Pauline authorship was held to by many of the early church’s prominent theologians, such as Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Origen of Alexandria and Eusebius.[10]” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_Colossians **Matthew 7:15 15 Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

Did St. Paul Kill Christians?

Thread: ” Jesus was one of a long line of Hebrew prophets.” Forum: Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Christianity and Apologetics

Post 32:

[Replying to post 31 by M–a] Quote: You are saying things which are not in New Testament. Paarsurrey wrote: The gist of the things are in Quran, supported from the clues in NT Bible. Paul lead the group that hunted, persecuted and killed Christians. St Stephen was their first victim. Acts 7:57-59 57 And casting him out the city, they stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man, whose name was Saul. 58 And they stoned Stephen, invoking and saying; Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 59 And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, saying; Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep in the Lord. OOOOOO And Saul was consenting to his death. OOOOOO Acts 8:1-3 1 Now Saul was consenting to his execution.On that day, there broke out a severe persecution of the church in Jerusalem, and all were scattered throughout the countryside of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles. 2 Devout men buried Stephen and made a loud lament over him. 3 Saul, meanwhile, was trying to destroy the church; entering house after house and dragging out men and women, he handed them over for imprisonment. OOOOOO It is a strong clue that Paul who never met Jesus who persecuted Christians was an enemy of Jesus and his followers. Right, please? Regards

Research:

Paul headed up the group that hunted, persecuted and killed Christians. St Stephen was their first victim.

Acts 7:57-59

57 And casting him out the city, they stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man, whose name was Saul.

58 And they stoned Stephen, invoking and saying; Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

59 And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, saying; Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep in the Lord. And** Saul was consenting to his death.**

Acts 8:1-3

1 Now** Saul was consenting to his execution** .On that day, there broke out a severe persecution of the church in Jerusalem, and all were scattered throughout the countryside of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles.

2 Devout men buried Stephen and made a loud lament over him.

3 Saul, meanwhile, was trying to destroy the church; entering house after house and dragging out men and women, he handed them over for imprisonment.

https://forums.catholic.com/t/did-st-paul-kill-christians/265137/2

 

 

 

Did apostles think they were writing the ‘word of God’?

https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=888766#888766

Post 21: Did apostles think they were writing the ‘word of God’?

paarsurrey1 wrote: NT Gospels were anonymous verbal narratives*, adopted and doctored by Paul**, his associates**, and the Church**, and named after apostles^ just for credulity/ credence. Right, please? Regards___________ *https://celsus.blog/2013/12/17/why-scholars-doubt-the-traditional-authors-of-the-gospels/**”All the Gospels are Anonymous Until 180-185CE”: http://www.humanreligions.info/gospels.html^https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/40996/how-were-the-authors-of-the-four-gospels-literate r—-g wrote: Hmmm. Ok. So tell me then — what would motivate Paul to do that ? Do you choose to discard God’s mercy and grace thru Christ so easily which is God’s gospel message thru Paul? paarsurrey1 wrote: Paul had no message of One-True-God’s mercy and grace with him, neither from One-True-God nor from Jesus.Paul was an enemy of Jesus and his followers and he remained as such when Jesus migrated from Judea. Paul only changed his strategy. He changed the message of One-True-God and corrupted the teachings of Jesus. Paul did it very cleverly aide by his associates and the Church established by him in the name of Jesus-Christ. Jesus never established any Church, he was a Jewish Prophet and remained as such, please. Isn’t it strange, please? Regards

 

 

Paul faked/forged/copied the idea of dying on the Cross and the resurrection to invent a god for “Christianity

Post #31

Paarsurrey wrote:

So Paul faked/forged/copied the idea of dying on the Cross and the resurrection to invent a god for “Christianity”:

This religion* , cloaked in mystery and secrecy, has captivated the imaginations of scholars for generations. Many facts discovered sheds vital light on the cultural dynamics that led to the rise of Christianity. The National Geographic Society’s book “Great Religions of the World,” page 309 writes; “By Jesus’ time, East and West had mingled here for three centuries. Down columns of boulevards walked Roman soldiersloyal to the Persian god Mithras.” Mithras was a Persian deity. He was also the most widely venerated god in the Roman Empire at the time of Jesus. The Catholic Encyclopedia as well as the early Church Fathers found this religion of Mithras very disturbing, as there are so many similarities between the two religions, as follows:
1) Hundreds of years before Jesus, according to the Mithraic religion, three Wise Men of Persia came to visit the baby savior-god Mithra, bring him gifts of gold, myrrh and frankincense.
2) Mithra was born on December 25 as told in the “Great Religions of the World”, page 330; “…it was the winter solstice celebrated by ancients as the birthday of Mithraism’s sun god”.
3) According to Mithraism, before Mithra died on a cross, he celebrated a “Last Supper with his twelve disciples, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac.
4) After the death of Mithra, his body was laid to rest in a rock tomb.
5) Mithra had a celibate priesthood.
6) Mithra ascended into heaven during the spring (Passover) equinox (the time when the sun crosses the equator making night and day of equal length).

http://noahide-ancient-path.co.uk/i…iours/mithras/2013/07/mithras-christianity-2/
*Paul’s invented “Christianity”.
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Regards

Thread: “Empty Tomb / Empty Coffin”.

Post: #31

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/empty-tomb-empty-coffin.185566/page-2#post-4693185

“What is a True Christian?”

I wrote following post on the above topic.

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.ca/2014/04/what-is-true-christian.html#comment-1364125373
paarsurrey
@ Dan Wilkinson

For census purposes it is correct to register anybody who wants to register as a Christian should be done accordingly.
Otherwise those who do not believe in the core teachings of Jesus; they must not morally claim to be Christians. The core teachings of Jesus are as follows:

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Matthew 22:36-40

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22:36-40

The Christians; their 32000+ denominations; they don’t follow Jesus and the core teachings of Jesus; instead of following Jesus, they follow Paul.

Jesus did not believe in Trinity; he did not claim to be a literal and physical god or son of god; all these creeds were invented by Paul, Church and the scribes.

These creeds have got nothing to do with Jesus.

Thanks

Christians need to reform Christianity

I have written following comments on Richard Carrier’s “Freethought Blogs”.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/4973#comment-203764

paarsurrey says:
April 23, 2014 at 1:28 pm (awaiting moderation)

“The good thing is that Evangelical Christians tend to be very passionate people and want to believe in something. If they would only put aside the lies, omissions, and distortions promulgated by their own well-paid con-men for a moment and reexamine their worldview in light of what the actual philosophical, scientific, and historical evidence is today, then they, too, would find Christmas worth celebrating…as what it actually is: a once pagan and now secular holiday invented by human beings for their own enjoyment and good. Then they can maybe go one step further and exit their dangerous delusion, and stop hating people and voting to take away their rights or to perpetuate injustices against the disadvantaged, and instead start actually caring about their fellow human beings, and the truth, for a change. Wouldn’t that be a wonderful Christmas present for us all?” Unquote

I agree with you.

The Christians need to reform their religion.

They should disprove the mythical creed invented by Paul, scribes and the Church and follow Jesus and Mary in their true and core teachings and acts.