Posts Tagged ‘Paul’

Paul is the middleman of Pauline-Christianity

November 12, 2017

Jesus was a prophet/messenger of One-True-God appointed by Him, so Jesus is not the middleman. Jesus just conveyed the Message given by One-True-God to him.Had Jesus not conveyed the message exactly he must have been punished by One-True-God.

Thread: “No-MiddleMan Movement “Discussion around the traces of middlemen in each religion
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

Post 4: 

s—-r.d———-h wrote:
We believe that the world has an intelligent creator; one need not to abandon reason to live as a believer; life is a continuous, reasonable search for truth, which should lead to doing beautiful deeds; but no exclusive doctrine can claim the “right” path towards this. These are the middlemen who always come up with something very specific in their doctrine and introduce it as the “secret sauce” for salvation, to color their followers differently and to establish a “us vs. them” mindset.

D———–t wrote:

How is the above not already a very specialized religious position?

Christianity necessarily has a “middleman” in Christ. In Christianity Christ is the one who claim to be the only “right path”.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Paarsurrey says:

Jesus was a prophet/messenger of One-True-God appointed by Him, so Jesus is not the middleman. Jesus just conveyed the Message given by One-True-God to him.Had Jesus not conveyed the message exactly he must have been punished by One-True-God:

[69:45] And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to Us,
[69:46] We would surely have seized him by the right hand,
[69:47] And then surely We would have severed his life-artery,
[69:48] And not one of you could have held Us off from him.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=69&verse=46

Right, please?
Pauline-Christianity does not have the true teachings of Jesus or message of the One-True-God. It is the fiction created by Paul, so Paul is the middleman of Pauline-Christianity. Right, please?

Regards

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Paul was the wolf in sheep’ clothing

November 10, 2017

Colossians* is not written by Jesus.
It is written by Paul, he did not quote from Torah, and did not mention as to what was his source of knowledge. Jesus did not claim to be a firstborn. Did he, please?
I understand from Jesus as mentioned in Gospels that Paul was the wolf in sheep’ clothing** and the false prophet** against whom Jesus warned his followers. 

Thread: “Questions: The first born of all creation? “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

Post 66: 

paarsurrey1 wrote:
Wasn’t Adam the first born, please?Regards

E–wrote:
No Christ was:

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: (including Adam) (Col:1-15)

paarsurrey1 wrote:
If Adam was not firstborn, then how did he come into existence,please?
Did Adam evolve through million years of Evolution,please?

E–wrote:

Christ created him:
For by him were all things created, (including Adam) that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (Col 1:16)
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. (1Co 11:3)

Peace.

paarsurrey1 wrote:

Colossians* is not written by Jesus.
It is written by Paul, he did not quote from Torah, and did not mention as to what was his source of knowledge. Jesus did not claim to be a firstborn. Did he, please?
I understand from Jesus as mentioned in Gospels that Paul was the wolf in sheep’ clothing** and the false prophet** against whom Jesus warned his followers. Right, please?

Regards

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*Epistle to the Colossians-Authorship
“The letter’s authors claim to be Paul and Timothy, but authorship began to be authoritatively questioned during the 19th century.[9] Pauline authorship was held to by many of the early church’s prominent theologians, such as Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Origen of Alexandria and Eusebius.[10]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_Colossians

**Matthew 7:15
15 Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

Did St. Paul Kill Christians?

October 24, 2017

Thread: ” Jesus was one of a long line of Hebrew prophets.” Forum: Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Christianity and Apologetics

Post 32:

[Replying to post 31 by M–a]

Quote:
You are saying things which are not in New Testament.

Paarsurrey wrote:

The gist of the things are in Quran, supported from the clues in NT Bible.

Paul lead the group that hunted, persecuted and killed Christians. St Stephen was their first victim.

Acts 7:57-59

57 And casting him out the city, they stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man, whose name was Saul.

58 And they stoned Stephen, invoking and saying; Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

59 And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, saying; Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep in the Lord.
OOOOOO
And Saul was consenting to his death.
OOOOOO
Acts 8:1-3

1 Now Saul was consenting to his execution.On that day, there broke out a severe persecution of the church in Jerusalem, and all were scattered throughout the countryside of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles.

2 Devout men buried Stephen and made a loud lament over him.

3 Saul, meanwhile, was trying to destroy the church; entering house after house and dragging out men and women, he handed them over for imprisonment.

OOOOOO

It is a strong clue that Paul who never met Jesus who persecuted Christians was an enemy of Jesus and his followers. Right, please?
Regards

Research:

Paul headed up the group that hunted, persecuted and killed Christians. St Stephen was their first victim.

Acts 7:57-59

57 And casting him out the city, they stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man, whose name was Saul.

58 And they stoned Stephen, invoking and saying; Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

59 And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, saying; Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep in the Lord. And** Saul was consenting to his death.**

Acts 8:1-3

1 Now** Saul was consenting to his execution** .On that day, there broke out a severe persecution of the church in Jerusalem, and all were scattered throughout the countryside of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles.

2 Devout men buried Stephen and made a loud lament over him.

3 Saul, meanwhile, was trying to destroy the church; entering house after house and dragging out men and women, he handed them over for imprisonment.

https://forums.catholic.com/t/did-st-paul-kill-christians/265137/2

 

 

 

Did apostles think they were writing the ‘word of God’? 

October 9, 2017

https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=888766#888766

Post 21: Did apostles think they were writing the ‘word of God’?

paarsurrey1 wrote:
NT Gospels were anonymous verbal narratives*, adopted and doctored by Paul**, his associates**, and the Church**, and named after apostles^ just for credulity/ credence. Right, please?
Regards___________
*https://celsus.blog/2013/12/17/why-scholars-doubt-the-traditional-authors-of-the-gospels/**”All the Gospels are Anonymous Until 180-185CE”:
http://www.humanreligions.info/gospels.html^https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/40996/how-were-the-authors-of-the-four-gospels-literate

r—-g wrote:

Hmmm. Ok. So tell me then — what would motivate Paul to do that ? Do you choose to discard God’s mercy and grace thru Christ so easily which is God’s gospel message thru Paul?

paarsurrey1 wrote:

Paul had no message of One-True-God’s mercy and grace with him, neither from One-True-God nor from Jesus.Paul was an enemy of Jesus and his followers and he remained as such when Jesus migrated from Judea. Paul only changed his strategy. He changed the message of One-True-God and corrupted the teachings of Jesus. Paul did it very cleverly aide by his associates and the Church established by him in the name of Jesus-Christ. Jesus never established any Church, he was a Jewish Prophet and remained as such, please.
Isn’t it strange, please?

Regards

 

 

Paul faked/forged/copied the idea of dying on the Cross and the resurrection to invent a god for “Christianity

March 30, 2016
Post #31
paarsurrey

Paarsurrey wrote:

So Paul faked/forged/copied the idea of dying on the Cross and the resurrection to invent a god for “Christianity”:

This religion* , cloaked in mystery and secrecy, has captivated the imaginations of scholars for generations. Many facts discovered sheds vital light on the cultural dynamics that led to the rise of Christianity. The National Geographic Society’s book “Great Religions of the World,” page 309 writes; “By Jesus’ time, East and West had mingled here for three centuries. Down columns of boulevards walked Roman soldiersloyal to the Persian god Mithras.” Mithras was a Persian deity. He was also the most widely venerated god in the Roman Empire at the time of Jesus. The Catholic Encyclopedia as well as the early Church Fathers found this religion of Mithras very disturbing, as there are so many similarities between the two religions, as follows:
1) Hundreds of years before Jesus, according to the Mithraic religion, three Wise Men of Persia came to visit the baby savior-god Mithra, bring him gifts of gold, myrrh and frankincense.
2) Mithra was born on December 25 as told in the “Great Religions of the World”, page 330; “…it was the winter solstice celebrated by ancients as the birthday of Mithraism’s sun god”.
3) According to Mithraism, before Mithra died on a cross, he celebrated a “Last Supper with his twelve disciples, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac.
4) After the death of Mithra, his body was laid to rest in a rock tomb.
5) Mithra had a celibate priesthood.
6) Mithra ascended into heaven during the spring (Passover) equinox (the time when the sun crosses the equator making night and day of equal length).

http://noahide-ancient-path.co.uk/i…iours/mithras/2013/07/mithras-christianity-2/
*Paul’s invented “Christianity”.

Regards

ReligiousForums.com

Thread: “Empty Tomb / Empty Coffin”.

Post: #31

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/empty-tomb-empty-coffin.185566/page-2#post-4693185

“What is a True Christian?”

May 1, 2014

I wrote following post on the above topic.

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.ca/2014/04/what-is-true-christian.html#comment-1364125373
paarsurrey
@ Dan Wilkinson

For census purposes it is correct to register anybody who wants to register as a Christian should be done accordingly.
Otherwise those who do not believe in the core teachings of Jesus; they must not morally claim to be Christians. The core teachings of Jesus are as follows:

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Matthew 22:36-40

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22:36-40

The Christians; their 32000+ denominations; they don’t follow Jesus and the core teachings of Jesus; instead of following Jesus, they follow Paul.

Jesus did not believe in Trinity; he did not claim to be a literal and physical god or son of god; all these creeds were invented by Paul, Church and the scribes.

These creeds have got nothing to do with Jesus.

Thanks

Christians need to reform Christianity

April 23, 2014

I have written following comments on Richard Carrier’s “Freethought Blogs”.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/4973#comment-203764

paarsurrey says:
April 23, 2014 at 1:28 pm (awaiting moderation)

“The good thing is that Evangelical Christians tend to be very passionate people and want to believe in something. If they would only put aside the lies, omissions, and distortions promulgated by their own well-paid con-men for a moment and reexamine their worldview in light of what the actual philosophical, scientific, and historical evidence is today, then they, too, would find Christmas worth celebrating…as what it actually is: a once pagan and now secular holiday invented by human beings for their own enjoyment and good. Then they can maybe go one step further and exit their dangerous delusion, and stop hating people and voting to take away their rights or to perpetuate injustices against the disadvantaged, and instead start actually caring about their fellow human beings, and the truth, for a change. Wouldn’t that be a wonderful Christmas present for us all?” Unquote

I agree with you.

The Christians need to reform their religion.

They should disprove the mythical creed invented by Paul, scribes and the Church and follow Jesus and Mary in their true and core teachings and acts.

Jesus’ body same after deliverance from the Cross and after when he was seen by the people

April 21, 2014

http://theosophical.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/what-do-jesus-post-resurrection-wounds-tell-us-about-our-own-resurrected-bodies/#comment-22967

paarsurrey Says:

April 21, 2014 at 12:40 pm
@votivesoul :April 8, 2014 at 10:06 pm
“Is the post-resurrection body of Messiah the same as the post-ascension body of Messiah?”

There was no resurrection of Jesus from the real dead; it was from the near-dead.

There was no ascension of Jesus after the event of Crucifixion. Hence it is most correct to state that Jesus’ body was the same after when he was delivered from the Cross and after when he was seen by the people when he came out of the tomb he was laid.

Resurrection from the physical and literal dead and ascension of Jesus to skies is a made-up story by Paul, scribes and Church.

It has got nothing to do with Jesus and his teachings.

Baseless “original sin”: invention of sinful Paul, sinful scribes and sinful Church

April 19, 2014

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/04/18/easter-in-ten-words/comment-page-1/#comment-14249

PAARSURREY says:
April 19, 2014 at 10:46 am
@INSPIREDBYTHEDIVINE1 :April 19, 2014 at 8:52 am
” ‘God sacrificed himself, to himself, to save humanity from himself.
Because that makes perfect sense’
This baseless creed has been invented by sinful Paul and sinful Church.”
This is fascinating. I’d forgotten that Islam doesn’t favor Paul. Christians do though. Thus, right here in John’s backyard, we have not one, but two omnipotent religious experts on the origins of existence. However, the two experts are members of two very different all-knowing religions. Paul is not vile to a Christians. To Christians he is a Saint and the true spreader of Christianity. But to Muslims, he is vile and evil. He spread untrue ideas about Jesus around. Two vastly different views from two totally infallible faiths. Is Paul a Saint and wonderful, or is he a vile idiot who spread a baseless creed about the Holy Trinity. Both can not be right. Calling Paul baseless and vile means the Holy Trinity is made up bullshit and Jesus isn’t God and did not rise from the dead on Easter. Saying Paul’s a Saint and his creed correct, is saying Jesus is God; did rise from the dead, and, along with two other gods, is part of a trilogy of gods that, in reality, are just one god. SOM’s infallible faith and Paarsurey’s infallible faith can not both be right. Only one can be right on this. Is, or isn’t Jesus the one true God? Let me repeat, is Jesus or isn’t Jesus God? Is Paul a vile idiot, or a Saint in Christ’s Church, the Church of the one true God. Things get so bloody complicated when people simply can’t say, “I don’t know. I might be wrong,etc.” I do not know nor pretend to know, how the universe came to be. It’s existence is proof it exists, not proof magical fairies made it. I do not have faith gods do not exist, BTW. They might, and I’m open to meeting them when they show up, but as of today, I’ve seen no evidence for believing they have. SOM, your brain hasn’t just been washed, it’s been bleached, salted, and fried. Your views are fundamentally sophomoric and reflective of an insipid indoctrination into an antiquated and dying belief system. Your rhetoric is redundantly circular, your reasoning laden with confirmation biases and your lack of wit tedious, boring, and insulting to the intelligence. Thus, whenever I respond to it, I do so with the all the respect I feel it deserves. I’ve said my last bit on this matter as I’ve grown quite bored of it. Paul: vile creed maker and vile man or Saint? Jesus, prophet, or God?” Unquote

I don’t bash sinful Paul. I only defend Jesus and Mary and their teachings. I have mentioned core teachings of Jesus from the Bible (Matthew 22:36-40); there is no place in Jesus’ core teachings of the baseless creeds invented by sinful Paul, sinful scribes and the sinful Church.

I have qualified Paul, scribes and Church with the word “sinful”; because they collaborated to invent the creed of “original sin” out of thin air and made all humanity sinful by birth for nothing. They say that everybody is sinful except Jesus; and everybody does not exclude Paul, scribes and the Church. I have only highlighted what this baseless creed is.

All humans whatever their religion or no religion are born innocent; when they attain maturity and are confirmed of what is good and what is evil in their conscience; then they become virtuous or sinful as per their concepts and deeds.
If a sin is committed one could ask forgiveness from the One-True-God; He may forgive.

Jesus said he was Son of Man or Son of Adam; if Adam would have been a sinful person and Jesus would have believed that and of the original sin; he would have not ascribed any son-ship to Adam. Paul invented this creed on his own collaborated by the scribes of Bible and Church.

Paul, scribes and the Church have nothing to do with Jesus and Mary and their teachings and deeds.

Regards

Jesus is most important; Bible written in Jesus absence when Jesus had gone to India

April 8, 2014

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

http://jerichobrisance.com/2014/04/02/snapthought-wrested-from-my-hands-by-god/comment-page-1/#comment-6746

paarsurrey says:
April 8, 2014 at :

@unkleE says:April 7, 2014
“I said the important question was not inerrancy (of NT Bible), but what we know about Jesus, and what we can reasonably believe. This is not a trivial question and there are certainly problems to be solved.” Unquote

I think I agree with unkleE that Jesus is more important than Bible; as it was not written by Jesus.

Bible was written in Jesus’ absence when he traveled to India with his mother Mary.

He did not know what Paul and the Church were doing in his absence.

Hence Jesus is most important.

Regards