Paul faked/forged/copied the idea of dying on the Cross and the resurrection to invent a god for “Christianity

Post #31

Paarsurrey wrote:

So Paul faked/forged/copied the idea of dying on the Cross and the resurrection to invent a god for “Christianity”:

This religion* , cloaked in mystery and secrecy, has captivated the imaginations of scholars for generations. Many facts discovered sheds vital light on the cultural dynamics that led to the rise of Christianity. The National Geographic Society’s book “Great Religions of the World,” page 309 writes; “By Jesus’ time, East and West had mingled here for three centuries. Down columns of boulevards walked Roman soldiersloyal to the Persian god Mithras.” Mithras was a Persian deity. He was also the most widely venerated god in the Roman Empire at the time of Jesus. The Catholic Encyclopedia as well as the early Church Fathers found this religion of Mithras very disturbing, as there are so many similarities between the two religions, as follows:
1) Hundreds of years before Jesus, according to the Mithraic religion, three Wise Men of Persia came to visit the baby savior-god Mithra, bring him gifts of gold, myrrh and frankincense.
2) Mithra was born on December 25 as told in the “Great Religions of the World”, page 330; “…it was the winter solstice celebrated by ancients as the birthday of Mithraism’s sun god”.
3) According to Mithraism, before Mithra died on a cross, he celebrated a “Last Supper with his twelve disciples, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac.
4) After the death of Mithra, his body was laid to rest in a rock tomb.
5) Mithra had a celibate priesthood.
6) Mithra ascended into heaven during the spring (Passover) equinox (the time when the sun crosses the equator making night and day of equal length).

http://noahide-ancient-path.co.uk/i…iours/mithras/2013/07/mithras-christianity-2/
*Paul’s invented “Christianity”.
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Thread: “Empty Tomb / Empty Coffin”.

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http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/empty-tomb-empty-coffin.185566/page-2#post-4693185

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“What is a True Christian?”

I wrote following post on the above topic.

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.ca/2014/04/what-is-true-christian.html#comment-1364125373
paarsurrey
@ Dan Wilkinson

For census purposes it is correct to register anybody who wants to register as a Christian should be done accordingly.
Otherwise those who do not believe in the core teachings of Jesus; they must not morally claim to be Christians. The core teachings of Jesus are as follows:

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Matthew 22:36-40

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22:36-40

The Christians; their 32000+ denominations; they don’t follow Jesus and the core teachings of Jesus; instead of following Jesus, they follow Paul.

Jesus did not believe in Trinity; he did not claim to be a literal and physical god or son of god; all these creeds were invented by Paul, Church and the scribes.

These creeds have got nothing to do with Jesus.

Thanks

Christians need to reform Christianity

I have written following comments on Richard Carrier’s “Freethought Blogs”.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/4973#comment-203764

paarsurrey says:
April 23, 2014 at 1:28 pm (awaiting moderation)

“The good thing is that Evangelical Christians tend to be very passionate people and want to believe in something. If they would only put aside the lies, omissions, and distortions promulgated by their own well-paid con-men for a moment and reexamine their worldview in light of what the actual philosophical, scientific, and historical evidence is today, then they, too, would find Christmas worth celebrating…as what it actually is: a once pagan and now secular holiday invented by human beings for their own enjoyment and good. Then they can maybe go one step further and exit their dangerous delusion, and stop hating people and voting to take away their rights or to perpetuate injustices against the disadvantaged, and instead start actually caring about their fellow human beings, and the truth, for a change. Wouldn’t that be a wonderful Christmas present for us all?” Unquote

I agree with you.

The Christians need to reform their religion.

They should disprove the mythical creed invented by Paul, scribes and the Church and follow Jesus and Mary in their true and core teachings and acts.

Jesus’ body same after deliverance from the Cross and after when he was seen by the people

http://theosophical.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/what-do-jesus-post-resurrection-wounds-tell-us-about-our-own-resurrected-bodies/#comment-22967

paarsurrey Says:

April 21, 2014 at 12:40 pm
@votivesoul :April 8, 2014 at 10:06 pm
“Is the post-resurrection body of Messiah the same as the post-ascension body of Messiah?”

There was no resurrection of Jesus from the real dead; it was from the near-dead.

There was no ascension of Jesus after the event of Crucifixion. Hence it is most correct to state that Jesus’ body was the same after when he was delivered from the Cross and after when he was seen by the people when he came out of the tomb he was laid.

Resurrection from the physical and literal dead and ascension of Jesus to skies is a made-up story by Paul, scribes and Church.

It has got nothing to do with Jesus and his teachings.

Baseless “original sin”: invention of sinful Paul, sinful scribes and sinful Church

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/04/18/easter-in-ten-words/comment-page-1/#comment-14249

PAARSURREY says:
April 19, 2014 at 10:46 am
@INSPIREDBYTHEDIVINE1 :April 19, 2014 at 8:52 am
” ‘God sacrificed himself, to himself, to save humanity from himself.
Because that makes perfect sense’
This baseless creed has been invented by sinful Paul and sinful Church.”
This is fascinating. I’d forgotten that Islam doesn’t favor Paul. Christians do though. Thus, right here in John’s backyard, we have not one, but two omnipotent religious experts on the origins of existence. However, the two experts are members of two very different all-knowing religions. Paul is not vile to a Christians. To Christians he is a Saint and the true spreader of Christianity. But to Muslims, he is vile and evil. He spread untrue ideas about Jesus around. Two vastly different views from two totally infallible faiths. Is Paul a Saint and wonderful, or is he a vile idiot who spread a baseless creed about the Holy Trinity. Both can not be right. Calling Paul baseless and vile means the Holy Trinity is made up bullshit and Jesus isn’t God and did not rise from the dead on Easter. Saying Paul’s a Saint and his creed correct, is saying Jesus is God; did rise from the dead, and, along with two other gods, is part of a trilogy of gods that, in reality, are just one god. SOM’s infallible faith and Paarsurey’s infallible faith can not both be right. Only one can be right on this. Is, or isn’t Jesus the one true God? Let me repeat, is Jesus or isn’t Jesus God? Is Paul a vile idiot, or a Saint in Christ’s Church, the Church of the one true God. Things get so bloody complicated when people simply can’t say, “I don’t know. I might be wrong,etc.” I do not know nor pretend to know, how the universe came to be. It’s existence is proof it exists, not proof magical fairies made it. I do not have faith gods do not exist, BTW. They might, and I’m open to meeting them when they show up, but as of today, I’ve seen no evidence for believing they have. SOM, your brain hasn’t just been washed, it’s been bleached, salted, and fried. Your views are fundamentally sophomoric and reflective of an insipid indoctrination into an antiquated and dying belief system. Your rhetoric is redundantly circular, your reasoning laden with confirmation biases and your lack of wit tedious, boring, and insulting to the intelligence. Thus, whenever I respond to it, I do so with the all the respect I feel it deserves. I’ve said my last bit on this matter as I’ve grown quite bored of it. Paul: vile creed maker and vile man or Saint? Jesus, prophet, or God?” Unquote

I don’t bash sinful Paul. I only defend Jesus and Mary and their teachings. I have mentioned core teachings of Jesus from the Bible (Matthew 22:36-40); there is no place in Jesus’ core teachings of the baseless creeds invented by sinful Paul, sinful scribes and the sinful Church.

I have qualified Paul, scribes and Church with the word “sinful”; because they collaborated to invent the creed of “original sin” out of thin air and made all humanity sinful by birth for nothing. They say that everybody is sinful except Jesus; and everybody does not exclude Paul, scribes and the Church. I have only highlighted what this baseless creed is.

All humans whatever their religion or no religion are born innocent; when they attain maturity and are confirmed of what is good and what is evil in their conscience; then they become virtuous or sinful as per their concepts and deeds.
If a sin is committed one could ask forgiveness from the One-True-God; He may forgive.

Jesus said he was Son of Man or Son of Adam; if Adam would have been a sinful person and Jesus would have believed that and of the original sin; he would have not ascribed any son-ship to Adam. Paul invented this creed on his own collaborated by the scribes of Bible and Church.

Paul, scribes and the Church have nothing to do with Jesus and Mary and their teachings and deeds.

Regards

Jesus is most important; Bible written in Jesus absence when Jesus had gone to India

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

http://jerichobrisance.com/2014/04/02/snapthought-wrested-from-my-hands-by-god/comment-page-1/#comment-6746

paarsurrey says:
April 8, 2014 at :

@unkleE says:April 7, 2014
“I said the important question was not inerrancy (of NT Bible), but what we know about Jesus, and what we can reasonably believe. This is not a trivial question and there are certainly problems to be solved.” Unquote

I think I agree with unkleE that Jesus is more important than Bible; as it was not written by Jesus.

Bible was written in Jesus’ absence when he traveled to India with his mother Mary.

He did not know what Paul and the Church were doing in his absence.

Hence Jesus is most important.

Regards

Christians should give respect to Jesus he deserved

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

http://jerichobrisance.com/2014/04/02/snapthought-wrested-from-my-hands-by-god/comment-page-1/#comment-6536

paarsurrey says:
April 6, 2014 at :

@ Mariah Windrider : April 5, 2014

“Much of what Jesus is quoted as saying is pretty good, but the best of it is contradicted by other NT writers, notably Paul. Now that’s OK, but since the religion is supposed to be about Jesus and his stuff, warping your brain to make Paul’s interpretations equal or better than Jesus’ ones by saying that God wrote all of it so anything published under Paul’s name is just as good as what some author quoted Jesus as saying. This trend is suspicious.” Unquote

I much appreciate your above words.

The followers of Jesus must follow Jesus in the teachings he himself mentioned and acted upon and he must be treated as founder of Christianity.

Paul’s interpretations should not be treated as equal to Jesus or better than Jesus.

To make Jesus a god (while he was not) and then instead of following Jesus; if one is tricked into following Paul; one must be suspicious of Paul and must understand Paul’s game.

I salute Mariah Windrider’s understanding of Christianity.

If you don’t mind; please mention the name of your blog; I want to read more of your thoughts.

Thanks and regards

Why Paul never sought out Mary?

Please view Paarsurrey comments on the blog “Is there a God?” for your valuable opinion, even if you differ.

“Is there a God?”
“Welcome to atheists (and others)”

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/
http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/#comment-8781

paarsurrey
MAR 09, 2014 @ 22:10:38

@One Skeptic : MAR 07, 2014 @ 20:11:27

“I have always wondered why Paul never sought out Mary?”

Jesus went out of Judea and out of the jurisdiction of the Roman Empire lest he is caught again by the Jews and hanged again. He took his mother Mary along with him. Paul must have known it; but he won’t tell it lest he is exposed.
It is reported that during Jesus’ journey to India, Mary died in the way towards Kashmir and is said to be buried at Murree, a hill station near Islamabad Pakistan.

The name Murree is after the name of Mary the mother of Jesus; one may Google for it and read so many entries on it.
Thanks

Why history does not support Christians?

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“Is there a God?”
“Welcome to atheists (and others)”
http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/
http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/#comment-8762

paarsurrey
MAR 08, 2014 @ 16:50:43

History is written by humans of the humans; there is only One-True-God so there is no history of any god; if one insists then one’s concept is definitely a human construct; with Christianity believing Jesus as literal or physical god or literal or a literal physical son of god, then it is a brain-child of sinful Paul; a construct of Paul’s.
With the Renaissance in the West the Westerners realized of this reality and since the Christians insisted on the godhead of Jesus so the Westerners started denying that there was no God implying deeply that Jesus was not a god or son of god; and they also denied any historicity of Jesus altogether.

This is how Christianity started giving space to Atheism etc; or losing ground to them.

I have observed on internet discussions that some Christians who were previously Atheists have reverted to Theism but they don’t defend Christianity anymore; instead they attack the unreasonableness of Atheism etc; and they are good at it.
If one denies the core teachings of Jesus (Moses and prophets) as elaborated in my previous comments; then a Christian has to leave NT Bible and in distress they come to history which also does not support them for the reasons above mentioned.

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/#comment-8781
paarsurrey
MAR 09, 2014 @ 22:10:38

@One Skeptic : MAR 07, 2014 @ 20:11:27

“I have always wondered why Paul never sought out Mary?”

Jesus went out of Judea and out of the jurisdiction of the Roman Empire lest he is caught again by the Jews and hanged again. He took his mother Mary along with him. Paul must have known it; but he won’t tell it lest he is exposed.

It is reported that during Jesus’ journey to India, Mary died in the way towards Kashmir and is said to be buried at Murree, a hillstation near Islamabad Pakistan.

The name Murree is after the name of Mary the mother of Jesus; one may Google for it and read so many entries on it.

Thanks

Sinful Paul invented the story of Jesus’ physical ascension to skies

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http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/#comment-8750

paarsurrey
MAR 07, 2014 @ 12:28:48
@ unkleE:MAR 05, 2014 @ 01:10:45

“In this post I outlined how I try to approach topics like this. First I look at the historical evidence as determined by the best secular scholars then I form my opinions. Let’s do that here.”
Why ignore Jesus’ clear words of his core teachings that he quoted from the OT Bible; and it is the same as told by Moses?

Jesus a human being son of Mary who did not claim to be a literal and physical god or son of god; yes there is historicity of such a person; but if one looks for a Jesus a literal/physical god or son of god; there is no historicity of such a person.

The sinful Paul who was a confirmed enemy of Jesus and his disciples; when he got sure that Jesus son of Mary a human being had not died on the Cross and after treatment in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea by the physician Nicodemus he had made good his escape and went out of Judea and the Roman Empire; Paul thought of a novel plan to take revenge from Jesus.
He exploited the sentiments of Jesus’ followers who remained behind whom Jesus had not informed of his plans as he had to move out secretly lest he is again arrested and persecuted.

Paul invented the story that Jesus had died on the Cross but resurrected from the dead and has ascended to skies and appointed Paul as his successor; thus on the one hand Paul invented a new religion in the name of “Christ” a misnomer called Christianity and on the other hand he avenged his animosity towards Jesus by killing Jesus’ core teachings; of course with the collaboration of the Church.

paarsurrey
MAR 07, 2014 @ 20:29:28
@MyGoatyBeard :MAR 07, 2014 @ 14:43:30

“Paarsurrey. I agree there is only one God and it is only him that we should worship. It is sinful to worship anybody else. There are not three Gods – so I agree with you in that.” Unquote

Thanks for your appreciation; in fact by this you agree with Jesus , Moses and all the prophets as confirmed by Jesus in his core teachings.

Regards