Please start viewing the video, setting play-head position, for the relevant Q2 @ 00:03:58 My question is about Lord Krishna. We Hindus treat Lord Krishna as the creator, the preserver and the destroyer of all beings. As he himself said, “Of all the creations I am the beginning and the end and the middle. I am unborn and without beginning, though I am the lord of all beings. I still appear every millennium in my original transcendental form.” My question is how far this religious philosophy confirms to the philosophy if Islam? Its answer ends @ 00:13:56; the answer is only: 9.98 in duration.
Paarsurrey noted following hint words and syllables in the contents of the reply to the questions asked, in case of doubt, please hear the video and correct accordingly:
The creator, preserver, destroyer, original transcendental form, in-fights in religions, Vedas, this is exactly said by Jesus, Murley Dhar, more hands than one, he had wings, misunderstanding in reading into his writings, wings are attributive, angels with wings, metaphoric, lower your wings for the followers, lower your wings on the parents, languages of symbols, evil against goodness, Zoroaster, fire and darkness, evil does not have a separate identity, reconcile the religions,
Nature is no god; it has no intelligence on its own and it cannot give intelligence to others. Nature does not hear or listen to if one wants to speak to it; nature does not communicate with anybody; it is deaf and dumb. Nature is work of the Creator God.
It is the Creator God who is All-Wise and All-Intelligent; He listens to the human beings and has spoken to human beings in all ages and in all regions of the world.
He has revealed His Word to the truthful persons called Messengers Prophets of the Creator God; one such person is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah of our era.
There is none like the Creator God who has created the Universe and everything in it.
I could not tell where Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s commentary ended and where your opinions began. that said, it is clear that he either knows nothing about Christian eschatology or was intentionally lying to his audience.
paarsurrey Says:
Hi friend methodus
It is all from Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908- the Promised Messiah- Imam Mahdi – The Second Coming of Jesus. In his first Coming Jesus never knew anything about Christian eschatology as the present “Christianity” was never founded by Jesus but by clever Paul and the Church. Jesus was a Jew and a follower of the teachings of Moses. It is therefore obvious that Jesus was neither aware of the eschatology of the so called “Christians” in his first coming; nor he needs it in the Second Coming. He is guided by the Word of Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH and so he gives guidance to others very truthfully.
Is this the same quran that real muslims (Shia, Sunni, etc) believe in or is this the magical Ahmediya version ?
Paarsurrey says:
April 8, 2010 at 11:08 am
Hi friend wudjab
Quran, the first and the foremost source of guidance of Islam is the same whatever the denomination; and it has not changed from the time it was revealed. It is the pristine Word of the Creator- God Allah YHWH. It has got all the lasting and truthful teachings of all the religions of the world; including OTBible or Torah and the NTBible.
There are many contradictions and ambiguities in the Bible and their followers are perplexed to note them, as you must have observed. If they have claims for the issues, they don’t have reasons for them in their books and if they have reason, which is very seldom; they don’t have the claims for that in their books.
To resolve such contradictions their followers have to add something from their own selves which mean they add wisdom to their Books which was not there to start with.
All such contradictions and ambiguities are resolved by Quran.
The text of the Quran is the same for Shias, Sunnis and Ahmadis. Ahmadis neither believe in any magic nor do we have any magical version of the Quran.
“Christianity was not at the founding, nor is it now a monolithic “ism” that justifies the domination and suppression of others–not even Wiccan/Pagans”
“Christianity” is a misnomer; it was not founded by Jesus who was Monotheist undoubtedly.”Christianity” was founded by Paul; and since then it did not remain Monotheist; it became a religion of Trinity.
Notwithstanding the above every religion has a right to present their case with reason, rationality and logical arguments to convince the human beings together by supporting with Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH for fulfilling the Ethical, Moral and Spiritual needs of the man. Who wins I don’t mind. If the Atheists have anything useful in these faculties; they also have a right to serve humanity in these areas.
The Religion should be a part of the education of children in Schools; so that they have an idea of Ethics, Morals and the Spiritual progress. There is no harm if the point of view of the Seculars or Humanists or the Atheists is also accommodated in the text books.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
YEAL9 wrote:
February 26, 2010 10:30 AM
More movements (and another Messiah) in a stream of Islamic sects;
“Ahmadiyya (äh mə dē’ yə), a contemporary messianic movement founded (1899) by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1839-1908), b. Qadiyan, the Punjab. His Barahin-i Ahmadiyya, which he began to publish in 1880, was well received by his Islamic community. In 1889, he announced that he had received a divine revelation authorizing him to accept the baya, the allegiance of the faithful; he later also declared himself the Mahdi and the promised Messiah (masih) of Islam (1891).
His doctrine, incorporating Indian, Sufi, Islamic, and Western elements, attempted to revitalize Islam in the face of the British raj, Protestant Christianity, and resurgent Hinduism.
After his death, his followers elected Mawlana Nur ad-Din as his successor. Nur ad-Din died in 1914, and the community split into two branches. The majority remained in Qadiyan and recognized Ghulam Ahmad as prophet (nabi). The basic belief held by the Qadiyani community was and is that it is the sole embodiment of “True Islam.”
The founder’s son, Hadhrat Mirza Bashir ad-Din Mahmud Ahmad (1889-1965), was chosen as Khalifatul-Masih [caliph of the Messiah] by the Qadiyani branch, known today as the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam (jamaat-i ahmadiyya). His half-century of leadership shaped the movement, operating after 1947 out of the city of Rabwah (which they founded and gave a Qur’anically inspired name) in Pakistan and administering a network of schools and hospitals.
His successors have been chosen from among Ghulam Ahmad’s descendants; the leader of the movement (since 2003) is Mirza Masroor Ahmad (b. 1950).
The other branch, less willing to distinguish itself from mainstream Islam, recognized Ghulam Ahmad as a reformer (mujaddid) and established what came to be known as the ahmadiyya anjuman ishaat-i Islam movement in Lahore, Pakistan, also known as the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement. Both branches engage in energetic missionary activity in Nigeria, Kenya, Indonesia, and the Indian subcontinent.”
from: answers.com
Paarsurrey wrote:
February 27, 2010 8:21 AM
Hi friends
Our friend YEAL9 has provided good information about Ahmadiyya. Ahmadiyya is an enlightened movement not only to revitalize Islam but all the Revealed Religions of the world. Since it accepts reason, rationality and revelation as consistent tools of man for life; hence it bridges the gaps between Atheists and Theists also and in this way works for bringing about understanding and peace in the world. Ahmadiyya don’t see any real wedge between Science and Religion; the former being the Work and the later being the Word of the same Creator- God Allah YHWH.
So this proves that not only medicine heals the diseases of man but prayer also heals. In fact it is the combination of both; the prayer should be done and also medicine should be taken, the rest should be left on the Creator- God Allah YHWH, as the real Healer is He alone. Healing is an attribute of the Creator- God Allah YHWH.
I am an ordinary man in the street. I don’t have any claim to scholarship or any piety. I respect scientists; they are intelligent people; they discover and invent things and I am thankful to them. I buy things from the market discovered and invented by them and I am entitled to use those things as I have paid for them. I am grateful to the technicians and other artisans who make things convenient for me and I pay them for their services. I enjoy sports and I pay for that. I enjoy artists; they paint beautiful paintings; and I do pay for their paintings if I like to buy them. They are my partners in my life; but I don’t think I have any reason to prefer one for the other. Why should I consider a Scientist to have any hegemony over me? Science is not the whole of human life; it is only a part of it. The Scientists never create anything from nothing; they only discover things that are very much already in existence in the Universe. I respect the Scientists but I admire, thank and gratify the Creator- God Allah YHWH who had in fact created everything in me and around me. I think I have a right to do so. Am I right?
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
the PC apeman wrote :
Yes, science is just a way of knowing and knowing isn’t the whole of human life. More to the purposes of this forum, do you claim to have a way of knowing other than science?
paarsurrey wrote:
Hi friend the PC apeman
I think science is a product of philosophy; rather it is one branch of philosophy, please correct me if I am wrong. Knowledge could be acquired by many means never ever limited by Science or patented by the Scientists. I consider this Universe as the Work of the Creator -God Allah YHWH; yes science is a good faculty of human beings; but it exists only as the Universe has a system in its creation which alludes to a Creator of it, in my opinion. Had the Universe not been created / evolved in a natural system; the Scientists would have not been able to bring it in a system or create a system in it? Science, therefore, presupposes things in a system and not chaotic.
Another source of knowledge, to me, rather a superior source is Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH.
When I pay the customary fees to my Physician for the treatment he has given to me; what more morally I am supposed to do or feel about him? After all the Physician is not my god; he gives treatment to me not from anything created by him; but from things already in existence; courtesy the Creator- God Allah YHWH.
I deny deity to Science and the Scientists; if any
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paarsurrey’s argument in which he claims that we cannot create gods and that gods are required for humans to exist.[/quote]
Hi friend Dionysus
Please let me revise your sentence.
My argument is that it is the Creator- God Allah YHWH, who has created the human beings and the rest of life; so it is wrong assertion that humans or other creatures could create the Creator-God Allah YHWH. The Creator is only ONE; and due to the different languages, the names are different. It is the Sustainer or Creator who sustains the human beings and they exist. If the Creator had not provided everything the humans need; the humans would have long become extinct; they would have not survived.
Hi friend Astreja
So you only attempted to make one and could not accomplish it; just made a sentence or two.
Astreja wrote:
The part that I paraphrased here in the forum is a very abbreviated version. The original is probably about 500 words long, and a bit more poetic.
I simply didn’t see the need for a longer book. As ADParker pointed out above, I said everything that I thought needed to be said.
I am, however, a professional transcriptionist and copy editor and a writer of both fiction and non-fiction. If I wanted to write something the length of the Qur’an, Book of Mormon, or New Testament, I estimate it would take me no more than a month and a half.
Paarsurrey wrote:
Hi friend Astreja
For the time being; you have only written about 500 words; not long as you have stated but short, in my opinion. It could be at the most be considered as a passage; not a book. You might be a fiction or a non-fiction writer; I am not jealous of that, but I think no publisher worth the name would take it as a book or agree to publish it. I think you yourself would be open to agree to it.
I will speak here only for Quran; it is a systematic Verbal Revelation; learnt by heart, as a sentence or more were revealed on Muhammad by the Creator- God Allah YHWH. Muhammad himself committed this Revelation to his memory and from him his companions did. And this system continues forth unimpaired till our times and in future also. Quran was never a written book sent down literally by God Allah YHWH from the skies. So primarily Quran is a Verbal Revelation as the word “Quran” suggests means and conveys.
It is however the genius of Muhammad (peace be upon him); that though he was himself not well-versed in reading and/or writing, that he felt the importance of writing in the times to come in the world; so side by side as an auxiliary or secondary measure, never as the original in the first place; he also did whatever was possible to record this revelation in writing, so that the both always exist supporting one another. This is another meaning; that this Verbal Revelation, having a system in it, in a would-be sense committed to writing was also called a book.
I think this much is sufficient for the time being lest ……
Peace to Atheists, Agnostics, and the Anti-Theists and others.
paarsurrey 