Had the Aryans (Hinduism people) a concept of God prior to their denying God?

Please view paarsurrey’s post #180 on RF.

Excerpt from a poster: ” I would say it was realized that there is no God and it is only a human imagination.”

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One’s above expression suggests that the Aryans had a concept of G-d prior to their “realization” of denying G-d, please,
When they (the Aryans) denied G-d, what principled reason/argument did they give, please? Kindly quote from them in this connection, please. Right?

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Does Vedanta has any place in Sanatana-Dharma, in Hinduism and or in Western Atheism?

Please view paarsurrey’s post #508 on RF.

Vxxxxxx said: 

Why not?

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I get the following please:

“Jahnu Das , Hare Krishna
Originally Answered: What are the differences between Hinduism and Sanatana Dharma?
Hinduism is a misnomer introduced by Moghul invaders. They called the people living east of the river Sindhu, for Hindus in stead of Sindhus, because they couldn’t pronounce the S properly.
Besides, Hinduism is comprised of many different religions and subreligions. Hinduism is as variegated or even more so, than if you were to take Judaism, Christianity and Islam together and call it, say, Jordanism.
Sanatana-dharma is the term for the original, eternal religion from God Himself. That religion is Vaishnavism. I call it the Vedic Version.
How is Sanatana Dharma different from Hinduism? – Quora:”

I don’t find Vedanta has any place in Sanatana-Dharma, and Hinduism is a misnomer, please. Right?

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Did Vedas exist before The Bhagavad Gita ?

Paarsurrey wrote:

Sep 13, 2016#11

• Friend @Satyamavejayanti say:

“The Gita is after the Veda.
the author of Veda is unknown, some peple assume the author of the samhita are the rishi mention in the sukta/mantras. but traditionally the rishis are considered mantra dhrashta (seer/observer/discoverer) not rachna (writer/creator/maker).” One may like to see his full post of
Sunday at 10:08 PM #10

• Friend @sayak83 says:
  “The authorship implies the human rishi to whom the revelation came. The word apurusheya means “revealed” i.e. “not created by human thought”. It does not mean that a human being did not exist to whom the verse was revealed to and who first recited it.
  Gita is recited later than the Veda-s but is also a revelation.” One may like to see his full post of
  Thursday at 9:05 PM #6

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Paarsurrey wrote:

Sep 17, 2016#25

Did Vedas exist before The Bhagavad Gita ?

Can we summarize from the posts written hitherto in the thread that Veda was first and Bhagvad Gita was a later scripture? Right? Please
Anybody, please
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Is “Ahimsa” or nonviolence mentioned in Yajurveda?

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/is-the-word-ahimsa-or-nonviolence-mentioned-in-yajurveda.189590/page-3

Aug 24, 2016#49

Is the word “Ahimsa” or nonviolence mentioned in Yajurveda?

Yajurveda CHAPTER I

28. O Almighty Lord Tbpu, hast suspended in space near Moon,
this Earth, full of foodstuffs, and producer of all the life-giving substances
for the living creatures. May the learned of refined intellect, full of
happiness, residing upon it, the well-wisher of all. abiding by Thy eternal
laws, conquer all foes waging severe fight with the aid of warriors and arms,
thus attain to power. O learned person, just as from times immemorial the
dutiful have been acquiring wealth, so do thou full of wealth worship God.
Let evil be eradicated.

https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

No mention of Ahimsa in Veda/Yajurveda, war, warriors and arms are mentioned in its and so often.
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Aug 25, 2016#50

Is the word “Ahimsa” or nonviolence mentioned in Yajurveda?

Yajurveda CHAPTER I

28. O Almighty Lord Tbpu, hast suspended in space near Moon,
this Earth, full of foodstuffs, and producer of all the life-giving substances
for the living creatures. May the learned of refined intellect, full of
happiness, residing upon it, the well-wisher of all. abiding by Thy eternal
laws, conquer all foes waging severe fight with the aid of warriors and arms,
thus attain to power. O learned person, just as from times immemorial the
dutiful have been acquiring wealth, so do thou full of wealth worship God.
Let evil be eradicated.
29. The wicked should be removed, the enemies of truth should be
punished ; those fit to be shackled should be cast aside and those opposed
to knowledge should come to grief. Oh destroyer of foes, Thou art not
wrathful, I prepare thee full of virility for battle.
Those who can’t tolerate the good of others must be chastised,
and openly condemned. Those who cause harm to others should be
humiliated. I duly instruct the army to be strong for weakening the foe,
and waging war.

https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

No mention of Ahimsa in Veda/Yajurveda. War, warriors and arms are mentioned in it and so often.

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Did Veda people ever lived in the Arctic?

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/is-the-word-ahimsa-or-nonviolence-mentioned-in-yajurveda.189590/page-3

Aug 16, 2016#46

Aupmanyav said: ↑

It is a praise of their Gods and a prayer for protection. The king mentioned here is Indra. The reference to Sambara and Vritra is about the two-month long dark, cold Arctic night that Aryans had to face in their original home. These two were considered among the demons of darkness. Agni, Ashwinis, Maruts and other Gods, and the Aryan priests (Atharvans and Angirasas) were supposed to help Indra fight these demons. But I do not think you have the background to understand all this.

paarsurrey wrote:

Is that mentioned in the Veda what I have colored in magenta?
I once read there are many theories in connection with people who came to India some say they came from Australia others say they came from China, still others say they came from Africa.

The First Human Race Came From Australia, NOT Africa!
Over the last decade, all manner of unexpected archaeological discoveries have led to many experts questioning much of what was assumed to be fact.Recent findings and field-work relating to little ‘hobbits’ in Flores Island, Siberian hominids with mtDNA connections to people of Papua New Guinea, the exclusivity of our distinct genetic Homo sapiens code being compromised by a 4% Neanderthal input, and a variety of unexpected findings have called into question many elemental assumptions held about the past.
http://humansarefree.com/2014/08/the-first-human-race-came-from.html

The Origin and History of the Aryans of Ancient India – Hinduwebsite.com
The article explores the facs and myths concerning the Aryans and their … to one school of thought the Aryans came in hordes and first settled in northwestern India, … central Asia, Russia, China and probably Arctic region by land and by sea.
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/concepts/aryan.asp
Etc.
Are there any clues in Veda itself? That will be of my interest . It is also doubtful that “Arya” is/was a proper name of a race/tribe mentioned in Veda. Is it? Please

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Aug 23, 2016#48

Aupmanyav said: ↑

Yes, a long night extending for two months and a dawn extending to 30 days are mentioned in RigVeda, which would happen only in the polar regions. It is also mentioned in the Zoroastrian scriptures. Unfortunately, you will not be able to understand it clearly as you do not have the background. I am quoting from the many references in a book “Arctic Home in Vedas” by BG Tilak:

“The three Soma libations, here spoken of, are all made during the night and the Brâhmana (a Hindu scripture) further observes that there is no other deity save Indra and the Metres to whom they are offered (Cf. Apas. Sh. Su. XIV, 3, 12). The next section of the Brâhmana (IV, 6) distinctly raises the question, “How are the Pavamâna Stotras to be chanted for the purification of the Soma juice provided for the night, whereas such Sutras refer only to the day but not to the night?” and answers it by stating that the Stotras are the same for the day and the night. It is clear from this that Soma juice was extracted and purified at night during Ati-râtra sacrifice and Indra was the only deity to whom the libations were offered in order to help him in his fight with the Asuras, who had taken shelter with the darkness of the night. That the Ati-râtra is an ancient sacrifice is further proved by the occurrence of a similar ceremony in the Parsi scriptures.

The word Ati-râtra does not occur in the Avesta, but in the Vendidad, XVIII, 18, (43)-22 (48), we are told that there are three parts of the night and that in the first of these parts (trishvai), Fire, the son of Ahura Mazda, calls upon the master of the house to arise and put on his girdle and to fetch clean wood in order that he may burn bright; for, says the Fire, “Here comes Azi (Sans. Ahi) made by the Daêvas (Vedic Asuras), who is about to strive against me and wants to put out my life.” And the same request is made during the second and the third part of the night. The close resemblance between this and the three paryâyas of the Ati-râtra sacrifice does not seem to have been yet noticed; but whether noticed or not it shows that the Ati-râtra is an ancient rite performed during the night for the purpose of helping Indra, or the deity that fought with the powers of darkness, and that such sacrificial acts as putting on the girdle (kosti) or squeezing the Soma, were performed during this period of darkness.”

Paarsurrey wrote:

Please enrich one’s viewpoint by quoting from Veda/Yajurveda. It is such a voluminous narration that it should have not missed such points, rather it should be abundant with such narrations. Right? Please
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Is “Ahimsa” or nonviolence mentioned in Yajurveda?

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/is-the-word-ahimsa-or-nonviolence-mentioned-in-yajurveda.189590/#post-4843081

Aug 3, 2016#17

Paarsurrey wrote:

While reading Yajurveda, I read the following at Chapter 18 Verses 41-43 :

41. Air is quick, pervades the whole universe, retains sound in the
atmosphere. Its parts are well known as givers of vigour and movers in
the atmospheric vapours. May it protect this our Priesthood and Nobility.
All Hail to the air for success in our undertakings. To those All Hail.

42. Sacrifice (yajna) is the bestower of delights, a nice nourisher,
and the repository of vedic speech. Heartfelt famous praises are its
guerdons. May it protect this our Priesthood and Nobility. All-Hail
to the Sacrifice for success in our undertakings. To those All-Hail

43. He, who is the Lord of Creatures, Omnific, has a mind that
possesses vedic speech. The famous verses of the Rigveda and Sama veda
touch the innermost recesses of his heart, wherewith he honours the
learnad, loves truth and imparts knowledge. May he protect for us this
veda and the Dhanur Veda. May he acquire truthful speech and
realise religion. For thesa objects one should serve others in a righteous
way.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

When I checked it as to what is Dhanur Veda, I get the following:
“DHANURVEDA
(A Veda relating to the Art / Science of Archery)

© B. Chakravarti, ATARN, 2001
DHANURVEDA from the BRHAT SARNGADHARA PADDHATI, a 15th Century treatease in Sanskrit on ‘The Science of the Horn Bow’ by Sarngadhara. Translated from the Sanskrit edition by Peter Peterson, Bombay, 1888.”

http://www.atarn.org/india/dhanurveda_eng.htm
Believe me, I had never even heard of it.

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Is “Ahimsa” or nonviolence mentioned in Yajurveda?

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/is-the-word-ahimsa-or-nonviolence-mentioned-in-yajurveda.189590/#post-4843081

Aug 3, 2016#15

paarsurrey said: ↑

I accessed Second Item in the link , it is “(Yajur Veda, 12.32″ which does not mention it.

Chapter 12 Verse 32 Yajurveda translated by Devi Chand reads:

32. O King, the preacher of knowledge, just as the sun, resplen-
dent with its auspicious flames of fire, and shining with mighty beams of
light, works in the universe, so attain to happiness, and destroy not the
bodies of the subjects deserving protection.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
Please let me know how to find “Taittiriya Shakha of theYajurveda (TS 5.2.8.7),” as mentioned in the first item in the link given by you. Kindly.
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Aupmanyav said: ↑

Griffith gives this translation of White (Shukla) YajurVeda, Chapter 12, verse 32:

32. Agni, go forth resplendent, you with your auspicious flames of fire.
Shining with mighty beams of light, harm not my people with your form.

I think you should dump Devi Chand’s translation. I do not think any scholarly translation can come out of Arya Samaj stable. They are much too biased. I would not touch an Arya Samaj translation even with a long bamboo pole. I will stick with Griffith for White YajurVeda and Arthur Keith for Black YajurVeda as given at http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm#vedas. The book that Keith translated is the ‘Taittiriya Samhita’. ‘Taittiriya Samhita’ was written around 2,000 BC. That was the time when the asterism (Naskshatra) for the beginning of the Aryan calendar had changed from Orion to Pleiades.

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paarsurrey said: ↑

It is prayer to Agni not to harm the people, not what is understood from Ahimsa as a principle as is mentioned generally as a term. Right?
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Aupmanyav said: ↑

I have mentioned that because what translation you gave from Devi Chand (of verse 32 of Chapter 12) is completely different from what Griffith says. It seems that one of them is talking just out of his head, making up things; and I have not known Ralph Griffith to do that.

Paarsurrey wrote:

I don’t know Sanskrit so, I cannot Check the translations to discern as to which one is more correct.
My point is that whatever the translation one takes, it is evident that it is not related , even remotely, to what is considered as the spirit of Ahimsa in general terms. Or is it?
Please do correct me if I am wrong. We are all human beings, could make mistakes. Right? Please
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Is “Ahimsa” or nonviolence mentioned in Yajurveda?

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/is-the-word-ahimsa-or-nonviolence-mentioned-in-yajurveda.189590/

Post Aug 1, 2016#1

Paarsurrey wrote:

Please help me find it in Yajurveda.
Thread open to everybody of religion or no-religion.
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Post Aug 1, 2016#2

Paarsurrey wrote:

Ahimsa (Sanskrit: अहिंसा; IAST: ahimsā, Pāli:[1] avihiṃsā) is a term meaning ‘not to injure’ and ‘compassion’.[2][3] The word is derived from the Sanskrit root hiṃs – to strike; hiṃsā is injury or harm, a-hiṃsā is the opposite of this, i.e. cause no injury, do no harm.[4][5] Ahimsa is also referred to asnonviolence, and it applies to all living beings—including all animals—according to many Indian religions.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa
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Aug 3, 2016#13

Aupmanyav said: ↑

Griffith gives this translation of White (Shukla) YajurVeda, Chapter 12, verse 32:
32. Agni, go forth resplendent, you with your auspicious flames of fire.
Shining with mighty beams of light, harm not my people with your form.
I think you should dump Devi Chand’s translation. I do not think any scholarly translation can come out of Arya Samaj stable. They are much too biased. I would not touch an Arya Samaj translation even with a long bamboo pole. I will stick with Griffith for White YajurVeda and Arthur Keith for Black YajurVeda as given at http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm#vedas. The book that Keith translated is the ‘Taittiriya Samhita’. ‘Taittiriya Samhita’ was written around 2,000 BC. That was the time when the asterism (Naskshatra) for the beginning of the Aryan calendar had changed from Orion to Pleiades.

Paarsurrey wrote:

It is prayer to Agni not to harm the people, not what is understood from Ahimsa as a principle as is mentioned generally as a term. Right?
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Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/veda-people-never-lived-in-arctic-did-they.190730/

Post Sep 16, 2016#11

George-ananda said: ↑

A little background please. Why are we talking about the Artic and Vedic people?

Paarsurrey wrote:

There are many theories about the background of Veda people.

Some hold that Veda people were Aryans who entered the Indian-sub-Continent on chariots and on horse-backs invading the Indian-sub-Continent. One could see in Veda description of the horses, the chariots, the weaponry the Veda people had.

1. Others hold that it was not an invasion, it was a migration, and the native locals dispersed to barren lands and remote places vacating the green pastures for the invaders/immigrants, happily, while the natives were also agriculturists or animal tenders.
3. • Those who subscribe to this view admit that there was war, they name it “Battle of 10 Kings” while this name is not perhaps mentioned in Veda.
   • Veda is full of words of war,battles, foes, enemies etc. And such words are almost in every chapter of the Yajurveda. So, the Veda people were warriors.
   • Did they fight all these battles before invasion/migration to the Indian-sub-Continent? They provide no details.

There are other theories also, each has impossibilities of its own.

Neither Veda solves them nor the holders of such theories. Please

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Post Sep 14, 2016#1

Paarsurrey wrote:

1. There is no archaeological evidence to support that Vedic people ever lived in the Arctic.
2. Snow and ice which is everywhere in the Arctic is not mentioned in Veda, not to speak of mentioning it very frequently.
3. No animal, plant or bird specific to Arctic is mentioned in Veda.

Thread open to everybody. Please

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Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?

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Post Sep 21, 2016#29

paarsurrey said: ↑

Wikipedia tells us that BG Tilak’s book ‘The Arctic Home in the Vedas’? is a pseudo-history book:

The Arctic Home in the Vedas is a pseudohistory book on the origin of Aryanic People by Bal Gangadhar Tilak, a mathematician turned astronomer, historian, journalist, philosopher and political leader of India.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arctic_Home_in_the_Vedas

Doesn’t one know it? Please
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Kirran said: ↑

I don’t say that it’s a respectable book. But that’s the book to read if you’re interested. If you’re interested enough to get the book and read it, then why are discussing this?

 

Paarsurrey wrote:

Our friend @Aupmanyav has read it. So through a good friend it could be discussed. He could mention the valid points in the book, one by one here.
The book of BG Tilak’s is not that important. So, I will concentrate on Veda. Please
My points are ?

1. Was Veda revealed in the Arctic?
2. Was Veda revealed in the countries of Europe or in the Central Asia?
3. Was Veda revealed in the Indian-sub-Continent?
4. Was Veda revealed elsewhere?
5. Was Veda partially revealed in any one of the above and partially in others?

These are the questions which need to be focused and answered. Right? Please
Anybody, please

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Post Sep 21, 2016#25

Paarsurrey wrote:

Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?

I quick searched the following from Archaeology of the Arctic and its people:

Last glacial period – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Late Glacial Maximum – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Humans Were Living in the Arctic 15,000 Years Earlier Than We …
Arctic Studies Center – Resources – Frequently Asked Questions
Pleistocene Epoch: Facts About the Last Ice Age – Live Science
Ancient migration: Coming to America : Nature News & Comment
American Beginnings: The Prehistory and Palaeoecology of Beringia
[BOOK] Ancient people of the Arctic
The stone age of Kamchatka and the Chukchi Peninsula in the light of new archaeological data
NN Dikov, GH Clark – Arctic Anthropology, 1965 – JSTOR
PDF] Mamontovaya Kurya: an enigmatic, nearly 40 000 years old Paleolithic site in the Russian Arctic
[PDF] Environmental approaches to the prehistory of the north

OOOOOOOOOOOOO

I found no mention/clue about the Arya or Aryan people in Archaeology of the Arctic . If I missed one, please let us know. Right? Please
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