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Why chariot is mentioned in Veda , and so often?

October 19, 2016

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-chariot-is-mentioned-in-veda-and-so-often.191729/

Monday at 11:44 AM#11

Paarsurrey wrote:

paarsurrey

Why chariot is mentioned in Veda , and so often?

Rigveda

[1]

[01-030] HYMN XXX. Indra.

1 WE seeking strength with Soma-drops fill full your Indra like a well, Most liberal, Lord of Hundred Powers, 2 Who lets a hundred of the pure, a thousand of the milk-blent draughts Flow, even as down a depth, to him; 3 When for the strong, the rapturous joy he in this manner hath made room Within his belly, like the sea. 4 This is thine own. Thou drawest near, as turns a pigeon to his mate: Thou carest too for this our prayer. 5 O Hero, Lord of Bounties, praised in hymns, may power and joyfulness Be his who sings the laud to thee. 6 Lord of a Hundred Powers, stand up to lend us succour in this fight In others too let us agree. 7 In every need, in every fray we call as friends to succour us Indra the mightiest of all. 8 If he will hear us let him come with succour of a thousand kinds, And all that strengthens, to our call. 9 I call him mighty to resist, the Hero of our ancient home, Thee whom my sire invoked of old. 10 We pray to thee, O much-invoked, rich in all prccious gifts, O Friend, Kind God to those who sing thy praise. 11 O Soma-drinker, Thunder-armed, Friend of our lovely-featured dames And of our Soma-drinking friends. 12 Thus, Soma-drinker, may it be; thus, Friend, who wieldest thunder, act To aid each wish as we desire. 13 With Indra splendid feasts be ours, rich in all strengthening things wherewith, Wealthy in food, we may rejoice. 14 Like thee, thyself, the singers’ Friend, thou movest, as it were, besought, Bold One, the axle of the car. 15 That, Satakratu, thou to grace and please thy praisers, as it were, Stirrest the axle with thy strength. 16 With champing, neighing loudly-snorting horses Indra hath ever won himself great treasures A car of gold hath he whose deeds are wondrous received from us, and let us too receive it. 17 Come, Asvins, with enduring strength wealthy in horses and in kine, And gold, O ye of wondrous deeds. 18 Your chariot yoked for both alike, immortal, ye of mighty acts, Travels, O Aivins, in the sea. 19 High on the forehead of the Bull one chariot wheel ye ever keep, The other round the sky revolves. 20 What mortal, O immortal Dawn, enjoyeth thee? Where lovest thou? To whom, O radiant, dost thou go? 21 For we have had thee in our thoughts whether anear or far away, Red-hued and like a dappled mare. 22 Hither, O Daughter of the Sky, come thou with these thy strengthenings, And send thou riches down to us.

http://www.sanskritweb.net/rigveda/griffith.pdf

  • Which one is the ancient home mentioned in the above chapter and which one is the current one as per Veda?
  • Help is sought in the fight so the chariot mentioned is warlike not a peaceful one. Right? Please

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Did Vedas exist before The Bhagavad Gita ?

October 14, 2016

Shttp://www.religiousforums.com/threads/did-vedas-exist-before-the-bhagavad-gita.190547/page-2ep 27, 2016#40

paarsurrey wrote:

Thanks for one’s confirmation that Krishna and Bhagvad Gita came later and hence Veda/s do not mention them, if I understood one correctly. Please
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Sep 29, 2016#54

paarsurrey wrote:

Did Vedas exist before The Bhagavad Gita ?
Friend @Kirran@Kirran !

The respect of Veda, or any other revealed scripture is to read it often, to get guidance from it in one’s life and not to throw its teachings on one’s back . Why did G-d reveal Veda, if it was a superficial guidance for the humans and never needed? Please
When Veda believers left Veda, Veda also left them, and it became open for the narrators/scribes/priests to do any corruptions they wanted.
If one leaves one’s Jewelry in the open, anybody could pick it up. Right? Please
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Sep 30, 2016#57

One may like to read post #22 in another sub-forum related to it:

paarsurrey wrote:
Did I say that? I never said that ever. If yes, then please quote from me.
I always try to elevate the status of all the revealed religions, their scriptures and their founders. Right? Please
Anybody, please

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Did Vedas exist before The Bhagavad Gita ?

October 14, 2016

Paarsurrey wrote:

Sep 13, 2016#11

“The Gita is after the Veda.
the author of Veda is unknown, some peple assume the author of the samhita are the rishi mention in the sukta/mantras. but traditionally the rishis are considered mantra dhrashta (seer/observer/discoverer) not rachna (writer/creator/maker).” One may like to see his full post of
Sunday at 10:08 PM #10
  • Friend @sayak83@sayak83 says:
    “The authorship implies the human rishi to whom the revelation came. The word apurusheya means “revealed” i.e. “not created by human thought”. It does not mean that a human being did not exist to whom the verse was revealed to and who first recited it.
    Gita is recited later than the Veda-s but is also a revelation.” One may like to see his full post of
    Thursday at 9:05 PM #6

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Paarsurrey wrote:

Sep 17, 2016#25

Did Vedas exist before The Bhagavad Gita ?

Can we summarize from the posts written hitherto in the thread that Veda was first and Bhagvad Gita was a later scripture? Right? Please
Anybody, please
Regards

 

 

Did Veda people ever lived in the Arctic?

October 13, 2016

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http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/is-the-word-ahimsa-or-nonviolence-mentioned-in-yajurveda.189590/page-3

Aug 16, 2016#46

paarsurrey wrote:

Is that mentioned in the Veda what I have colored in magenta?
I once read there are many theories in connection with people who came to India some say they came from Australia others say they came from China, still others say they came from Africa.

The First Human Race Came From Australia, NOT Africa!
Over the last decade, all manner of unexpected archaeological discoveries have led to many experts questioning much of what was assumed to be fact.Recent findings and field-work relating to little ‘hobbits’ in Flores Island, Siberian hominids with mtDNA connections to people of Papua New Guinea, the exclusivity of our distinct genetic Homo sapiens code being compromised by a 4% Neanderthal input, and a variety of unexpected findings have called into question many elemental assumptions held about the past.
http://humansarefree.com/2014/08/the-first-human-race-came-from.html

The Origin and History of the Aryans of Ancient India – Hinduwebsite.com

The article explores the facs and myths concerning the Aryans and their … to one school of thought the Aryans came in hordes and first settled in northwestern India, … central Asia, Russia, China and probably Arctic region by land and by sea.
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/concepts/aryan.asp
Etc.
Are there any clues in Veda itself? That will be of my interest . It is also doubtful that “Arya” is/was a proper name of a race/tribe mentioned in Veda. Is it? Please

Regards

Aug 23, 2016#48

Paarsurrey wrote:

Please enrich one’s viewpoint by quoting from Veda/Yajurveda. It is such a voluminous narration that it should have not missed such points, rather it should be abundant with such narrations. Right? Please
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Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?

October 13, 2016

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http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/veda-people-never-lived-in-arctic-did-they.190730/

Post Sep 16, 2016#11

Paarsurrey wrote:

There are many theories about the background of Veda people.

Some hold that Veda people were Aryans who entered the Indian-sub-Continent on chariots and on horse-backs invading the Indian-sub-Continent. One could see in Veda description of the horses, the chariots, the weaponry the Veda people had.

  1. Others hold that it was not an invasion, it was a migration, and the native locals dispersed to barren lands and remote places vacating the green pastures for the invaders/immigrants, happily, while the natives were also agriculturists or animal tenders.
    • Those who subscribe to this view admit that there was war, they name it “Battle of 10 Kings” while this name is not perhaps mentioned in Veda.
    • Veda is full of words of war,battles, foes, enemies etc. And such words are almost in every chapter of the Yajurveda. So, the Veda people were warriors.
    • Did they fight all these battles before invasion/migration to the Indian-sub-Continent? They provide no details.

There are other theories also, each has impossibilities of its own.

Neither Veda solves them nor the holders of such theories. Please

Regards

Post Sep 14, 2016#1

Paarsurrey wrote:

1. There is no archaeological evidence to support that Vedic people ever lived in the Arctic.
2. Snow and ice which is everywhere in the Arctic is not mentioned in Veda, not to speak of mentioning it very frequently.
3. No animal, plant or bird specific to Arctic is mentioned in Veda.

Thread open to everybody. Please

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Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?

October 13, 2016

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http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/veda-people-never-lived-in-arctic-did-they.190730/page-2

Post Sep 21, 2016#29

 

Paarsurrey wrote:

Our friend @Aupmanyav@Aupmanyav has read it. So through a good friend it could be discussed. He could mention the valid points in the book, one by one here.
The book of BG Tilak’s is not that important. So, I will concentrate on Veda. Please
My points are ?

  1. Was Veda revealed in the Arctic?
  2. Was Veda revealed in the countries of Europe or in the Central Asia?
  3. Was Veda revealed in the Indian-sub-Continent?
  4. Was Veda revealed elsewhere?
  5. Was Veda partially revealed in any one of the above and partially in others?

These are the questions which need to be focused and answered. Right? Please
Anybody, please

Regards

Post Sep 21, 2016#25

Paarsurrey wrote:

Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?

I quick searched the following from Archaeology of the Arctic and its people:

Last glacial period – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Late Glacial Maximum – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Humans Were Living in the Arctic 15,000 Years Earlier Than We …
Arctic Studies Center – Resources – Frequently Asked Questions
Pleistocene Epoch: Facts About the Last Ice Age – Live Science
Ancient migration: Coming to America : Nature News & Comment
American Beginnings: The Prehistory and Palaeoecology of Beringia
[BOOK] Ancient people of the Arctic
The stone age of Kamchatka and the Chukchi Peninsula in the light of new archaeological data
NN Dikov, GH Clark – Arctic Anthropology, 1965 – JSTOR
PDF] Mamontovaya Kurya: an enigmatic, nearly 40 000 years old Paleolithic site in the Russian Arctic
[PDF] Environmental approaches to the prehistory of the north

OOOOOOOOOOOOO

I found no mention/clue about the Arya or Aryan people in Archaeology of the Arctic . If I missed one, please let us know. Right? Please
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Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?

October 13, 2016

ReligiousForums.com

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/veda-people-never-lived-in-arctic-did-they.190730/page-3

Post Sep 22, 2016#42

Paarsurrey wrote:

Please read the following verses from Veda:

Yajurveda CHAPTER VI

18. O warlike hero, may thy mind in battle be filled with know-
ledge, and thy breath be united to life’s force. O hero, thou art the
killer of foes. May the fire of righteous indignation created by battle
mature thee. Facing millions of the army of enemies, let not the heat
generated by battle disturb thee.

May thou get refreshing drinks to fight in war with the velocity
of wind, and speed of the sun.

19. Oh warriors, drinkers of water, drink refreshing water. O
warriors expert in statesmanship, follow the policy of heroic action.
O general, thou shouldst stop the foes in the air. With thy martial
and commanding voice spread thy soldiers in all regions, by-regions,
fore-regions, back-regions, and regions in which the enemy goes, and
conquer the foes, by slaying their warriors.

20. O destroyer of the strength of the enemy, O general endowed
with beautiful knowledge, shine forth in the battle-field subduing all
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

If Veda/Yajurveda was revealed in India, as one says, then please explain who were those enemies with whom the Veda People of the time engaged in battle/war ? Please

And where it took place and the approximate timem if possible? Please

Kindly identify them. Please

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Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?

October 13, 2016

ReligiousForums.com

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/veda-people-never-lived-in-arctic-did-they.190730/page-3

Post Sep 23, 2016#49

Paarsurrey Post  #42

Paarsurrey wrote:

I don’t buy/subscribe to any specific theory about Veda people . My question is very simple. Who were the enemies whom Veda People faced in millions and with whom they were at war?:

Yajurveda CHAPTER VI

18. O warlike hero, may thy mind in battle be filled with know-
ledge, and thy breath be united to life’s force. O hero, thou art the
killer of foes. May the fire of righteous indignation created by battle
mature thee. Facing millions of the army of enemies, let not the heat
generated by battle disturb thee.

May thou get refreshing drinks to fight in war with the velocity
of wind, and speed of the sun.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

Where these war took place and when? in the Indian-sub-Continent or out side of it? Please identify the belligerents.

Anybody, please
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Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?

October 13, 2016

ReligiousForums.com

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/veda-people-never-lived-in-arctic-did-they.190730/page-3

Post Sep 23, 2016#53

Paarsurrey wrote:

Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?
#42
#49
In terms of the posts mentioned above, one may occlude following reasonable options:

  • One should make the confirmed opinion that Veda people were not a peaceful people. They were most of the time fighting with others and invoking the god/idols for helping in this cause, they needed war spoils for their livelihood and were offering sacrifices only to this end.
  • Rishis never taught such things, they were peaceful, all these verses had been made-up by the narrators/scribes/priests for their own ends.
  • Hence all such verses in all Vedas need to be compressed and only reference provided to historical reason.

Right?
Please correct me with reasons and arguments, if I am wrong. Please

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Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?

October 13, 2016

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http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/veda-people-never-lived-in-arctic-did-they.190730/page-4

Post Sep 25, 2016#74

That comment pertained to the part that I have colored in magenta, of the following post :

Paarsurrey wrote:

Quote :”how does so many cultures around the world that never met all had the same kind of legends about dragons, or fire spitting snake/lizards”: Unquote

Islam is Truthful religion, that doesn’t mean other revealed religions and their scriptures were not truthful, they were sure truthful in their origin when they were revealed by Brahman, however, one has to see through their scriptures for the truth due to additions made in them by the narrators/priests/scribes. It is for this that Veda was one in origin that have been made into several volumes now.

Veda believers and Quran believers have lived together for many centuries, I think they both have a very close and strong association since the times Muslims first came to Kerala, India peacefully, in the times of Muhammad, as is said.

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