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Jews broke “Sinaitic covenant”, hence Jews go out of the lineage of Abraham and Jacob

September 2, 2015

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Further to my post #120 above, I add:
Jesus’ reasonable argument is:
The Jews believe that they are from the lineage of Abraham and as such fall under the covenant of G-d with Abraham:
“God concluded a covenant with Abraham (Gen. xv. 18, xvii. 2, 7) by which He entered into a special relationship with him and his descendants for all time” that “was renewed on Mount Sinai when, before the giving of the Law, Israel as a people pledged itself to keep His covenant (Ex. xix. 8).” Jewish Encylopedia.
“Judaism knows of no other than the old Sinaitic covenant. Eternal as the covenant with heaven and earth is God’s covenant with the seed of Jacob (Jer. xxxiii. 25et seq.).” Jewish Encylopedia.
The Law given under Sinaitic covenant has two most important statutes.
1. Belief in ONENESS of G-d. Deut. 6:5-9
2. Accepting the truthful prophets of G-d. Deut. 18:20
By not following the above statutes and denying Jesus’ prophet-hood, the Jews of the time of Jesus had broken the covenant and were thus out of the lineage of Abraham or Jacob.
Jesus charged the Jews correctly. Right?
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Jews ceased to be sons of G-d: Jesus expalins

September 2, 2015

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Paarsurrey adds further:

I would like to add here that Jesus explained the concept of Son of G-d in John 8 and I quote from it :

John 8:37-47
[37] I know that you are the children of Abraham: but you seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. [38] I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and you do the things that you have seen with your father. [39] They answered, and said to him: Abraham is our father. Jesus saith to them: If you be the children of Abraham, do the works of Abraham. [40] But now you seek to kill me, a man who have spoken the truth to you, which I have heard of God. This Abraham did not.
[41] You do the works of your father. They said therefore to him: We are not born of fornication: we have one Father, even God. [42] Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded, and came; for I came not of myself, but he sent me: [43] Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word. [44] You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. [45] But if I say the truth, you believe me not.[46] Which of you shall convince me of sin? If I say the truth to you, why do you not believe me?[47] He that is of God, heareth the words of God. Therefore you hear them not, because you are not of God.​

Jesus told the Jews of his day that since they were not abiding by the commandment of G-d, they had become sons of the Devil (and ceased to be sons of G-d), and in the same reasoning since Jesus was abiding by G-d’s commandments so he was son of G-d .
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Buddhists don’t believe in G-d: why should they have a scripture then?

May 29, 2015

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Paarsurrey wrote:

Like one could be a Jew and Atheist.

Yet one cannot be a Muslim and an Atheist.
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The Jewry of the time of Moses was summoned at the foot of the Mountain not to reward them.

May 27, 2015

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Post #162

Paarsurrey wrote:

It is a wrong concept that Jews were any chosen people if they did wrong.

The Jewry of the time of Moses was summoned at the foot of the Mountain not to reward them. YHWH was not happy with them but to show them His displeasure.

Exodus 16:2
1 Then they set out from Elim, and all the congregation of the sons of Israel came to the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departure from the land of Egypt. 2 The whole congregation of the sons of Israel grumbled against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness. 3 The sons of Israel said to them, “Would that we had died by the LORD’S hand in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the pots of meat, when we ate bread to the full; for you have brought us out into this wilderness to kill this whole assembly with hunger.”…

The Jews were not worthy of direct converse with YHWH.

The present Jews should understand and ask forgiveness of YHWH.

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Did G-d have direct conversation with the Jewry?

May 26, 2015

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Friend Tumah quoted Deuteronomy – Chapter 4:12 to prove that G-d spoke directly to the Israelite nation as a whole.

Deuteronomy does not supersede the points given in Exodus. Deuteronomy cannot change the event as narrated in Exodus, as the event was just happening at that time. Deuteronomy was exhortation addresses of what had already happened.

The points mentioned by me about Exodus Chapters 19, 20 in my post # 21 <Judaism: no mass revelation of G-d with Jews mentioned in Exodus Chapter 19 and 20 | Page 2 | ReligiousForums.com>, therefore, remain still valid.

The text of the chapters 19,20 of Exodus indicates that:
• neither the people went up the mountain (only Moses and Aaron went as per the text) none other went,
• nor YHWH descended to the masses to talk with them directly,
• the masses were afraid of the YHWH lest He wreaks at them. (What chosen people they , the Jews, claim to be?)
• there was a barricade for the Jews, they could no cross it.
• The conversation was between YHWH and Moses in direct manner up at the mountain.
• It is therefore evident that the communication was indirectly conveyed to masses by Moses.

That proves my point.

Moses wanted to save the Jewish people from the iniquities they could perform in future. The Jews disobeyed Moses and as a people acted against the commandments given to them through Moses by God as mentioned in Deuteronomy.
Instead of being a select people, the Jews became the worst people.

This chapter four of Deuteronomy served as a future charge-sheet given to the Jews by Moses himself.

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No hunt for Jews

May 23, 2015

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Paarsurrey wrote:

No such hunt.
I am just an ordinary man in the street in search of truth, wherever it is.
You are friend.

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Judaism

May 18, 2015
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paarsurrey said:
Did Jesus say it? Please (Since you are a Christian)
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Paarsurrey wrote:

You see even in Hebrew the image of truth is beautiful.

Please quote from Jesus.

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roger1440 said:

“The short answer is because the Jews are taught God’s law is truth

“Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true.” (Psalm 119:142)”

Paarsurrey wrote:

Sorry, for sure, I asked because you quoted from Psalm which is not a book of Law in Jews as I undersand. Jewish Law is in the first five books of the OT, as you know.
If it is the absolute truth, then one should have been a Jew instead of being a Christian.
Please correct me if I am wrong. You don’t have to answer if it would be beyond the scope of this thread.

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You got me wrong. I was testing nobody.

  • The quote given by you above does not state that Judaism or Jews are righteous or truthful.

“The short answer is because the Jews are taught God’s law is truth“Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true.” (Psalm 119:142)”

Please quote from Jesus.

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Moses did not found Judaism and name it

May 15, 2015

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Judaism

Paarsurrey wrote:

Moses did not found Judaism and name it as such, he also did not name his followers as Jews.
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Why Jews are Called Jews?

July 12, 2014

http://www.interfaith.org/forum/288470-post7.html

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Why Jews are Called Jews

Ben Masada the Executive Member of the above site has stated that the
reason as to why Jews are called Jews is that they come from the Tribe of Judah who as per his statement is all based on God’s promise to David that his Tribe (of Judah) would remain as a lamp in Jerusalem forever. (I Kings 11:36).

Paarsurrey wrote:

Was not Judah involved in the conspiracy to sell Joseph as a slave?

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http://www.interfaith.org/forum/288471-post8.html

Paarsurrey wrote:

Morally it is wrong to say that Abraham was a Jew or Jewish.

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_(biblical_person)#Relationship_between_the_Joseph_and_Judah_narratives
Etymology[edit]

The Hebrew name for Judah, Yehudah (יהודה), literally “thanksgiving” or “praise,” is the noun form of the root Y-D-H (ידה), “to thank” or “to praise.”[2] His birth is recorded at Gen. 29:35; upon his birth, Leah exclaims, “This time I will praise the Lord,” with the Hebrew word for “I will praise,” ‘odeh (אודה) sharing the same root asYehudah.
Biblical references[edit]

Judah is the fourth son of the patriarch Jacob and his first wife, Leah: his full brothers are Reuben, Simeon and Levi (all older), and Issachar and Zebulun (younger), and he has six half-brothers.

Following his birth, Judah’s next appearance is in Gen 37, when he and his brothers cast Joseph into a pit out of jealousy after Joseph approaches them while they are working in the field flaunting a coat of many colors. It is Judah who spots a caravan of Ishmaelites coming towards on the way to Egypt and suggests that Joseph be sold to the Ishmaelites rather than killed. (Gen. 37:26-28, “What profit is it if we slay our brother and conceal his blood? … Let not our hand be upon him, for he is our brother, our flesh.”)

Judah marries the daughter of Shua, a Canaanite. Genesis chapter 38 Judah and his wife have three children, Er, Onan, and Shelah. Er marries Tamar, but God kills him because he “was wicked in the sight of the Lord” (Gen. 38:7). Tamar becomes Onan’s wife in accordance with custom, but he too is killed after he refuses to father children for his older brother’s childless widow, and spills his seed instead.[3] Although Tamar should have married Shelah, the remaining brother, Judah did not consent, and in response Tamar deceives Judah into having intercourse with her by pretending to be a prostitute. When Judah discovers that Tamar is pregnant he prepares to have her killed, but recants and confesses when he finds out that he is the father (Gen. 38:24-26).[4]

Meanwhile, Joseph rises to a position of power in Egypt. Twenty years after being betrayed, he meets his brothers again without them recognizing him. The youngest brother, Benjamin, who has remained in Canaan with Jacob, initially remains in Canaan, so Joseph takes Simeon hostage and insists that the brothers return with Benjamin.[5] Judah offers himself to Jacob as surety for Benjamin’s safety, and manages to persuade Jacob to let them take Benjamin to Egypt. When the brothers return, Joseph tests them by demanding the enslavement of Benjamin.[6] Judah pleads for Benjamin’s life, and Joseph reveals his true identity.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_(biblical_person)#Relationship_between_the_Joseph_and_Judah_narratives

June 18, 2014

How Odd of G-d to Choose the Jews?

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Topic of the thread: How Odd of G-d to Choose the Jews?

Paarsurrey wrote:

It is a wrong notion that Jews were chosen from among other nations and others were rejected. It will be a racial concept of G-d and racial concept of Judaism. G-d is not racial; what has He to do with the ethnicity of a people?

G-d loves people who are in His image, in attributes; a virtuous, G-d fearing and loving Truth; He loves.

Yes; Adam, Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jacob were good people and they were chosen by G-d; and those of Jews who follow in their footstep could be chosen by G-d.

That holds good for others who are non-Jews; nothing special for Jews.

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