Posts Tagged ‘trinity’

Who crafted “Trinity”?: Jesus did not

March 14, 2021

Finding from the WordPress “reader” the “THE EERDMANS BLOG” , I opted to visit it and I found a write-up by Eerdmans displayed on March 8,2021 on the above blog giving excerpts from a book under

New Releases” titled “The Same God Who Works All Things: Inseparable Operations in Trinitarian Theology”. Following excerpt caught my attention:

“Classical Trinitarianism holds that every action of Trinity in the world is inseparable. That is, the divine persons are equally active in every operation. But then, in (1)*what way did the Father create the world through Christ? (2)*How can only the Son be incarnate, die, and be resurrected?(3)* Why does Christ have to ascend before the Spirit may come? These and many other questions pose serious objections to the doctrine of inseparable operations.”

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Jesus as well as his mother Mary were Jews and they never were Trinitarians like Moses and other Jewish Messengers/Prophets, they never believed in Trinity.

The crafters of Trinity , I understand were Paul , his associates and the Church and with it they drifted the credulous Christian away from the truthful Way and Deeds of innocent Jesus.

They used the cover/pretext of “Mystery” in support of Trinity to hide the truth from the Christians. This could work in “Dark Ages” when Church ruled the states and could make people believe under duress. But as the West advanced to the “Age of Enlightenment“, people started expressing doubts about the Trinity. With the result that now the Pauline-Christianity has become the breeding ground of Atheism, as human conscience refuses to accept “Father, Son and Holy Ghost ” forming one person. Right?

Kindly correct me if I am wrong, please. Right?



May 15, 2018

Post #3  by paarsurrey
Jesus did not believe in Trinity, please.

Post #6  The poster said: 

Post #15 paarsurrey wrote:

Was Jesus afraid of speaking the word “Trinity”, please? I don’t think so.
He was a Jew so his words should be interpreted from the teachings of Moses whom he followed. Did Moses speak of Trinity, please? No, Moses never mentioned it. Right, please?
One is welcome to differ with me with reasons and arguments, if any, as that is one’s right, please.

Post #51paarsurrey Wrote:

Trinity is one of the back-bone creeds of the Christianity. I believe, if Jesus did not name it, the Church and Christians have no authority from Jesus to invent things themselves after him and blame Jesus for that.
Other are welcome to differ with me with reasons and arguments, if any.


How Ancient Trinity Concept of Gods Influenced Adoption of the Trinity?

October 1, 2017

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Do people understand the trinity doctrine?

May 26, 2015

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Do People understand the trinity doctrine?

Paarsurrey wrote:

People don’t need to understand trinity, it is false.

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“Do people understand the trinity doctrine?”

May 25, 2015

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Paarsurrey wrote:

And that is what I stated.
So you agree with me.


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Jesus never erected any Church

May 13, 2015

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sojourner said↑
Mythical it may be, and that’s fine, since a myth is an illustration of truth.
But false? There’s nothing about the Trinity that is incongruent with what the church has believed about God since its beginning. And since theology is the province of the church, it’s the church that determines what God is or is not doctrinally.

Paarsurrey wrote:

That is not correct. Jesus did not establish any Church, so Church has no authority to invent creeds in the name of Jesus. Whenever Jesus went to pray he went to a Jewish temple.
Trinity is fallacious .

Paarsurrey wrote:

Please quote from the Gospels when Jesus and the his first disciples attended service in a Church together. Please mention the name of Church and its location exactly.


Trinity is a superfluous doctrine; not known to Jesus

January 27, 2014

paarsurrey 01/27/2014 at 5:01 pm
@ John Barron 01/27/2014 at 4:23 pm

If Trinity was/is an essential doctrine of Christianity as it relates to the nature of God, as you say; then why did Jesus not believe it?

Was Jesus not a Christian himself? Please

I think trinity is a non-essential doctrine; Jesus did not know of it; he remained focused on the teachings set forth below:

Matthew 22:36-40

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Our concern is; what Buddha believed, not what the Buddhists believe

May 8, 2013

It should not be a matter of surprise for one; if Christians could start believing in Trinity out of the thin air despite Jesus believing in one true God; the same could have and has happened in case Buddha; his followers tilting to the other side pronounce that Buddha did not believe in one God.

Buddha’s ways and conduct is starkly different from the Atheists or Agnostics; his conduct is that of a believer, and not of a disbeliever.

Buddha left nothing in writing and he spoke Magadhi, not Pali, I think.

My concern is Buddha; not his followers.

Quran study for our Christians friends: Verse 2:117

April 29, 2013

I give here a page from Quran from Surah Al-Baqrah Chapter.2 verse 117 with the commentary:,E2

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Did Jesus wager or bet or gamble? | Pascal’s Wager

April 11, 2013

Jesus did not wager or bet or gamble in my opinion. He neither did it nor did he promote such ventures. May be Paul did it; I am not sure, but perhaps his apologists followers like Blaise Pascal did play it; hence we get Pascal’s Wager.

Christopher Hitchens hints about this Pascal’s Wager and makes its critical assessment in following words:

“Eternal Punishment and Impossible Tasks

The Gospel story of the Garden of Gethsemane used to absorb
me very much as a child, because its “break” in the action and its
human whimper made me wonder if some of the fantastic scenario
might after all be true. Jesus asks, in effect, “Do I have to go through
with this?”

It is an impressive and unforgettable question, and I
long ago decided that I would cheerfully wager my own soul on the
belief that the only right answer to it is “no.” We cannot, like fear-ridden
peasants of antiquity, hope to load all our crimes onto a goat
and then drive the hapless animal into the desert.

Our everyday idiom
is quite sound in regarding “scapegoating” with contempt. And religion
is scapegoating writ large. I can pay your debt, my love, if you
have been imprudent, and if I were a hero like Sidney Carton in A
Tale of Two Cities I could even serve your term in prison or take your
place on the scaffold. Greater love hath no man. But I cannot absolve
you of your responsibilities. It would be immoral of me to offer, and
immoral of you to accept. And if the same offer is made from another
time and another world, through the mediation of middlemen and
accompanied by inducements, it loses all its grandeur and becomes
debased into wish-thinking or, worse, a combination of blackmailing
with bribery.

The ultimate degeneration of all this into a mere bargain was
made unpleasantly obvious by Blaise Pascal, whose theology is not
far short of sordid. His celebrated “wager” puts it in hucksterish form:
what have you got to lose? If you believe in god and there is a god,
you win. If you believe in him and you are wrong—so what?

I once
wrote a response to this cunning piece of bet-covering, which took
two forms. The first was a version of Bertrand Russell’s hypothetical
reply to the hypothetical question: what will you say if you die and are
confronted with your Maker? His response? “I should say, Oh God,
you did not give us enough evidence.” My own reply: Imponderable
Sir, I presume from some if not all of your many reputations that you
might prefer honest and convinced unbelief to the hypocritical and
self-interested affectation of faith or the smoking tributes of bloody
altars. But I would not count on it.” Unquote

Reference: “God is not Great” by Christopher Hitchens: Pages: 211-212, Chapter Fifteen, “Religion as an Original Sin”

How could Pascal defend with reason Paul’s made-up creed of the “Original Sin” mentioned above which even Jesus never believed in or supported? Like Paul invented the concept of “Original Sin” so did the Christian apologist Blaise Pascal invent “Pascal’s Wager”, of no use.

Christianity’s creeds: Jesus was a god, Jesus was son of god, Trinity, Jesus died a cursed death on Cross; Jesus got resurrected from dead, Jesus’ ascension to heavens, original sin, atonement; these beliefs are fabricated creeds of Paul and Church. Jesus never believed in such unreasonable, irrational and deceptive creeds; hence even a genius cannot defend them.

Why leave Jesus?

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