Is the “Religious Method” like the Scientific Method?

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paarsurrey wrote :vide Post  #182 : (Please click on the post # to get to the discussion)

“Religious Method“

It was read out with its application authored by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 in the Conference of Great Religions held at Lahore in 1896 in the then British India. The lecture titled ” The Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam” has since been translated in many world languages and is available online.
The Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam – Wikipedia
The principle is elaborated in first two pages of it:
” It is necessary that a claim and the reasons in support of it must be set forth from a revealed book.”

Right, please?

Regards
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https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Philosophy-of-Teachings-of-Islam.pdf

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/what-is-naturalism.239436/page-10#post-6909977
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Philosophy-of-Teachings-of-Islam.pdf :

ISLAM
The essay of Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib, the Chief of
Qadian, which was read out by Maulana Abdul Karim Sahib
Sialkoti, in Lahore in the Conference of Great Religions Dharam
Mahutsu9
on 27th December 1896. 10
It is necessary that a claim and the
reasons in support of it must be set forth
from a revealed book.
In this auspicious Conference the purpose of which
is that those who have been invited to participate in it
should expound the merits of their respective religions
with reference to the questions that have been
formulated. I shall today set forth the merits of Islam.
Before I proceed to do so I deem it proper to announce
that I have made it obligatory upon myself that
whatever I state will be based upon the Holy Quran
which is the Word of God Almighty. I consider it
essential that everyone who follows a book, believing it
to be revealed, should base his exposition upon that

9. This is Hindi expression for Great Religions.
10. This sentence is by the conveners.

book and should not so extend the scope of his
advocacy of his faith as if he is compiling a new book.
As it is my purpose today to establish the merits of the
Holy Quran and to demonstrate its excellence, it is
incumbent upon me not to state anything which is not
comprehended in the Quran and to set forth everything
on the basis of its verses and in accord with their
meaning and that which might be inferred from them,
so that those attending the Conference should
encounter no difficulty in carrying out a comparison
between the teachings of different religions. As all those
who believe in a revealed book will also confine
themselves to statements comprised in their respective
revealed books, I shall not make any reference to the
traditions of the Holy Prophet, inasmuch as all true
traditions are only derived from the Holy Quran which
is a perfect book comprehending all other books. In
short this is the day of the manifestation of the glory of
the Holy Quran and I humbly beseech God Almighty to
assist me in this undertaking. Amin.

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Are all Atheism people whatever their sect/denomination/type “Weak Atheists”?

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paarsurrey wrote :vide Post #192  : (Please click on the post # to get to the discussion)

“weak atheist.“

All Atheism people whatever their sect/denomination/type are and always remain weak unless they end their slackness and get to search/research by using the Religious Method** to find truth that makes one healthier and stronger, one will agree with me for sure, please. Right?

Regards

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https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/various-kinds-of-atheism.242511/page-10#post-7046586

** Religious Method Post #182 ( )

It was read out with its application authored by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 in the Conference of Great Religions held at Lahore in 1896 in the then British India. The lecture titled ” The Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam” has since been translated in many world languages and is available online.
The Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam – Wikipedia
The principle is elaborated in first two pages of it:
” It is necessary that a claim and the reasons in support of it must be set forth from a revealed book.”

Right, please?

___________________
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Philosophy-of-Teachings-of-Islam.pdf :

ISLAM
The essay of Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib, the Chief of
Qadian, which was read out by Maulana Abdul Karim Sahib
Sialkoti, in Lahore in the Conference of Great Religions Dharam
Mahutsu9
on 27th December 1896. 10
It is necessary that a claim and the
reasons in support of it must be set forth
from a revealed book.
In this auspicious Conference the purpose of which
is that those who have been invited to participate in it
should expound the merits of their respective religions
with reference to the questions that have been
formulated. I shall today set forth the merits of Islam.
Before I proceed to do so I deem it proper to announce
that I have made it obligatory upon myself that
whatever I state will be based upon the Holy Quran
which is the Word of God Almighty. I consider it
essential that everyone who follows a book, believing it
to be revealed, should base his exposition upon that

9. This is Hindi expression for Great Religions.
10. This sentence is by the conveners.

book and should not so extend the scope of his
advocacy of his faith as if he is compiling a new book.
As it is my purpose today to establish the merits of the
Holy Quran and to demonstrate its excellence, it is
incumbent upon me not to state anything which is not
comprehended in the Quran and to set forth everything
on the basis of its verses and in accord with their
meaning and that which might be inferred from them,
so that those attending the Conference should
encounter no difficulty in carrying out a comparison
between the teachings of different religions. As all those
who believe in a revealed book will also confine
themselves to statements comprised in their respective
revealed books, I shall not make any reference to the
traditions of the Holy Prophet, inasmuch as all true
traditions are only derived from the Holy Quran which
is a perfect book comprehending all other books. In
short this is the day of the manifestation of the glory of
the Holy Quran and I humbly beseech God Almighty to
assist me in this undertaking. Amin.

Pew Research and Islam

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/the-future-of-religion.221261/page-4#post-6127868

Epixxxxxxx said: ↑

View attachment 29485 *Actually if statistics are correct, Islam will be the world’s dominant faith and like Christianity will have erect progressive interpretations of the faith from conservative. I don’t see this trend declining perhaps in the year 3000 this will change but not any time soon.

#62paarsurrey

What will be the position/no-position of Atheism (and the like Agnosticism/Skepticism) religion/no-religion , please?

Regards

paarsurrey said: ↑

What does the pew research indicate?
Regards

#68 Epixxxxxxxxxx said:

According to the graph from 2010-2050 Islam will grow exponentially therefore by 2050 it will become 29.7% of the worlds population while Christianity will be 31%. The religiously unaffiliated will decline approximately around plus minus 3% (from 16.4 to 13.2). Buddhist shares a similar drop off as well as folk religions. But beyond that it may be hard to say considering the technological changes soon to come because with advanced technology there is an eventual change in the social dynamics on how we see the world. Therefore I think when we colonize other planets I believe religion/spirituality will play a part it’ll just play a part differently than how we perceive today and that lack of religion or atheism will remain stagnant.

 

Religion bonds humans to unity, peace and justice

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/world-peace-and-religion.220384/page-2#post-6094135

Ponxxxxx said: ↑

Religion has been responsible for creating peace and for disrupting peace.
in 1914, during World War I, there was a cessation of hostilities as people from both sides celebrated Christmas together. Some even refusing to go back to fighting each other.
In the 2018 Olympics, North and South Korea joined together to compete as a single team.

Emperor Theodosius was the last Roman Emperor to rule over a united East and West Roman Empire.
He declared Nicene Christianity to be the official state church of the Roman Empire, he allowed the temples of the old religions to be destroyed, and he banned the Olympics because they were pagan. Historians use his death to mark the beginning of the Middle Ages.

When we consider that religion is the basis of a common bond among people. It seems that World Peace hinges upon religion. Religion will either Save the World or it will Destroy It.

Thoughts?

#40 paarsurrey

If correctly understood Religion bonds humans to unity, peace and justice; if not correctly understood it is the fault of the vested individuals not of the Religion itself. Right, please?

Regards

Nature and extent of Islamic influence in Sikhism

 

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/islams-relationship-with-sikhism.220440/#post-6093978

Luixxx said: ↑

As an aside, can anyone here recommend something about the nature and extent of Islamic influence in Sikhism?

#6 paarsurrey

The writings on his “Chola-Sahib” or his “Long-Coat” or the “Holy Robe” tell us/testifies that its founder Baba Guru-Nanak-Sahib became a Muslim and died as such.

Regards

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“The chola itself is extremely curious. One may think that the chola will be identified with Hindu and Sikh scriptures. But a look at the Chola shows that it has verses from the holy Koran handwritten all over it. The Chola accepts Muhammad as the messenger of god and has quotations from the Koran on it. With the passage of time the writings are dimmed but enough evidence is available that the chola eulogises Koran and Muhammad.”
Gurudwara Chola Sahib and the Sacred Robe of Nanak at Dera Baba Nanak

dmxx said: ↑

It’s remarkable that a religion would include in their scripture the writings of holy men in another religion that was an enemy. We should all be so virtuous that we can see a person for what he/she is, not what groups or categories they belong to.

#9 paarsurrey

The question is, did Baba Guru Nanak Ji name the religion Sikhs believe?
If yes, then please quote from him.
Anybody, please

Regards

 

Meccans who would not permit freedom of religion to the Muslims

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-is-islam-so-dangerous.220170/page-30#post-6092971

lovexxxxxx said: ↑

The Muslims were first attacked, persecuted, their businesses plundered and livelihood destroyed and some killed during 13 years of persecution in Mecca after which they fled to Abyssinia as refugees and given refuge by the Christian King Negus. The Meccans pursued them to Abyssinia intending to exterminate and commit genocide against the Muslim community. An assassination attempt was also made against Prophet Muhammad but failed.

Then they fled to Medina where the Medinians accepted Muhammad. After 13 years of being pursued and hunted down God revealed Sura 2:190 to defend only if attacked.

So the very first attacks and murders and the beginning of the war was started by the Meccans who would not permit freedom of religion to the Muslims as well as plundered all their possessions and exiled them homeless and penniless.

8:26

Call to mind how He gave you shelter when you were few in number and were oppressed in the land, fearing that the enemy would kidnap you. But He provided you a safe asylum,

In a war the Meccans started with intent to exterminate the entire Muslim community attacks on caravans became a war tactic to disrupt flow of goods and supplies which were to be used to attack Muslims.

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“The Muslims were first attacked, persecuted, their businesses plundered and livelihood destroyed and some killed during 13 years of persecution in Mecca after which they fled to Abyssinia as refugees and given refuge by the Christian King Negus. The Meccans pursued them to Abyssinia intending to exterminate and commit genocide against the Muslim community. An assassination attempt was also made against Prophet Muhammad but failed.”
“Meccans who would not permit freedom of religion to the Muslims”

#593 paarsurrey

Wonderful summation of the cause and context of the conflict.

Regards

 

The End-time Reformer has Come

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-is-islam-so-dangerous.220170/page-25#post-6089470

Rayxxx said: ↑

I don’t care much about religion.
I’m not against any religion, don’t get me wrong.
I even believe religious people (Christians mainly because I grew up among them) are good people. They seem to be genuinely loving people.
I cannot speak much about other religions on a personal level because I don’t make many friends that are not Christians or Atheists. Not my choice, it just happens that way.
Like many people, I have spent many hours researching on Islam after 9/11 happened.
I live in New York City so that was very close to me.
My research findings tell me Islam is a very dangerous religion.
The closer Islam gets to you the more dangerous it gets.
That seems to be a fact.
I know that Muslims are going to ask me to prove it from the scriptures and that is a ridiculous request.
There are 52 or 53 Muslim countries in the world and I can assure you that any of them has some sort of religious tension, wars or religious related violence in them.
I can quickly come up with links to prove it.
Most of the world is still Christian majority and today you rarely will find religion related violence in them.
The question is why?
Is there any hope that this pattern is going to change?
Is there some kind of Islamic reform possible?
Is war against Islam inevitable?

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“Is there some kind of Islamic reform possible?”
#491 paarsurrey
Islam is already under reformation under the peaceful Ahmadiyya Islam, under leadership of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908.
Please

Regards

“Until there is no persecution and religion is wholly for Allah”

‘Ammar’s father, Yasir, and his mother, Sumayyah, also were tormented by
disbelievers. On one such occasion the Prophet happened to pass by. Filled with
emotion, he said, “Family of Yasir, bear up patiently, for God has prepared for you a Paradise.” The prophetic words were soon fulfilled. Yasir succumbed to the tortures, and a little later Abu Jahl murdered his aged wife, Sumayyah, with a spear.

Zinnirah, a woman slave, lost her eyes under the cruel treatment of disbelievers. Abu Fukayh, Safwan bin Umayyah’s slave, was laid on hot sand while over his chest were placed heavy and hot stones, under pain of which his tongue dropped out. Other slaves were mishandled in similar ways.”

Thread: “Is Koran a Book of Peace, Not War? “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Non-Christian Religions and Philosophies

Post 33:

[Replying to post 31 by paarsurrey1] X—- — wrote: Not sure how that is helping your case. Sure, spreading mischief in the land can mean persecution. It’s not clear what count and does not count as persecution. And it says to fight us until there is no persecution and religion is wholly for Allah right there, that’s the very opposite of peace. Quote:X—- — wrote: us paarsurrey1 wrote: Quran verse [8:40]* addresses the Meccans who were persecuting Muslims, had burnt their houses, tortured them physically, not allowing Muslims to pray in congregation as per their religion, Muhammad and his companions were boycotted and restricted to an area for three years, not even allowing them access to food and were forced to migrate leaving their properties and valuable behind: “Most of these slave-converts remained steadfast in outer as well as inner professions of faith. But some were weak. Once the Holy Prophet found ‘Ammar groaning with pain and drying his tears. Approached by the Prophet, ‘Ammar said he had been beaten and compelled to recant. The Prophet asked him, “But did you believe at heart?” ‘Ammar declared that he did, and the Prophet said that God would forgive his weakness. ‘Ammar’s father, Yasir, and his mother, Sumayyah, also were tormented by disbelievers. On one such occasion the Prophet happened to pass by. Filled with emotion, he said, “Family of Yasir, bear up patiently, for God has prepared for you a Paradise.” The prophetic words were soon fulfilled. Yasir succumbed to the tortures, and a little later Abu Jahl murdered his aged wife, Sumayyah, with a spear. Zinnirah, a woman slave, lost her eyes under the cruel treatment of disbelievers. Abu Fukayh, Safwan bin Umayyah’s slave, was laid on hot sand while over his chest were placed heavy and hot stones, under pain of which his tongue dropped out. Other slaves were mishandled in similar ways.” : One may like to read more from “Introduction to the Study of the Holy Quran” Page 121 of 346 https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Introduction-Study-Holy-Quran.pdf Regards __________ [8:39] Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past will be forgiven them; and if they return thereto, then verily, the example of the former peoples has already gone before them. *[8:40] And fight them until there is no persecution and religion is wholly for Allah. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Watchful of what they do. https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=8&verse=39 “spreading mischief in the land” is “persecution” in the verse/s

Islam teaches “non-violence”

Thread: “Is there an answer to Islamic terrorism? ”
Can we defend ourselves?

Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Current Events

Post 93:

——- wrote: paarsurrey1 wrote: One may note here that the terrorists are clearly not following the teachings mentioned in these verses and whatever they are doing has no sanction from Quran/Islam/Muhammad, please. ——- wrote: Be more specific please. What part(s) exactly out of those verses, do you think terrorists are not following? paarsurrey1 wrote: They are not following any teachings mentioned in the context verses, for instance: [5:29] ‘If thou stretch out thy hand against me to kill me, I am not going to stretch out my hand against thee to kill thee. I do fear Allah, the Lord of the universe. OOOOOOO Regards

Is there a complete list of countries where Islam spread by the sword?

Post #124

muhammad_isa said: ↑

Islam

I think it’s impossible to say that people aren’t violated in war. So it would be most likely, imo, if some tribes/nations were intimidated into becoming Muslims.

..however, that is NOT our duty to Almighty God .. that would be mankind’s weakness. War and pride etc. often does not bring out the best in people, irrespective of religious belief

A Greased Scotsman said:

Pagan – Greek polytheism

Thank you. At least you admit it’s even a possibility that Islam was spread through violence and intimidation. That’s a breath of fresh air on this thread.

What of Mohammed though? He also spread Islam through intimidation and violence – are you saying Allah’s messenger could also have gotten it wrong? Especially in light of the numerous verses that talk about fighting against non-believers?

Post #125

A Greased Scotsman said: ↑

Pagan – Greek polytheism

What of Mohammed though? He also spread Islam through intimidation and violence – are you saying Allah’s messenger could also have gotten it wrong? Especially in light of the numerous verses that talk about fighting against non-believers?

muhammad_isa said:

Islam

No .. I am not saying that Muhammad, peace be with him, did anything wrong .. I’m saying that people who are at war are most likely to behave in an undefined manner .. not in accordance with their beliefs..

It’s a simple statement to say that ‘Islam was spread by the sword’ .. could you also say that ‘modern capitalism was spread by the atom bomb’ ?

Too simplistic .. Almighty God knows our individual intentions .. who is guilty and who is not from amongst mankind of ALL faiths .. He knows who begins aggression and who defends themselves.

Post #127

A Greased Scotsman said: ↑

Pagan – Greek polytheism

Thank you. At least you admit it’s even a possibility that Islam was spread through violence and intimidation. That’s a breath of fresh air on this thread.
What of Mohammed though? He also spread Islam through intimidation and violence – are you saying Allah’s messenger could also have gotten it wrong? Especially in light of the numerous verses that talk about fighting against non-believers?

Paarsurrey wrote:

There is no possibility for that. Religion never spreads by sword, because sword cannot convince one at heart. Muhammad told very clearly that one can become muslim when one’s heart witnesses the truth and then one declares with one’s tongue of the ONENESS of G-d and the prophet-hood of Muhammad:

One can become Muslim when one’s heart witnesses the truth and then one declares with one’s tongue of the ONENESS of G-d and the prophet-hood of Muhammad:
“Anas reported that the Holy Prophet said: There is no one who testifies truly from his heart that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, but Allah prohibits for him the fire of hell.”
(Mishkat al-Masabih, Book of Faith, ch. 1, sec. 1)

“A person becomes a Muslim by leaving all that contradicts the meaning of the following Testification of Faith, believing in the heart and declaring with the tongue”
http://alsunna.org/beconvinced.htm

To become a Muslim one must simply pronounce the Shahadah (Declaration of Faith) through his/her heart and tongue with sincerity and conviction.
“ASH-HADU ANLA ELAHA ILLA-ALLAH WA ASH-HADU ANNA MOHAMMADAN ABDUHU WA RASOOLUHU”.
The English translation is:
“I bear witness that there is no deity worthy to be worshipped but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger”.
http://www.aaicw.org/old-aaicw/how_to_be_a_muslim.html
Regards

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/is-there-a-complete-list-of-countries-where-islam-spread-by-the-sword.181468/page-7#post-4514603