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Is there a complete list of countries where Islam spread by the sword?

November 22, 2015
Post #124

A Greased Scotsman said:

A Greased ScotsmanPagan – Greek polytheism

Thank you. At least you admit it’s even a possibility that Islam was spread through violence and intimidation. That’s a breath of fresh air on this thread.

What of Mohammed though? He also spread Islam through intimidation and violence – are you saying Allah’s messenger could also have gotten it wrong? Especially in light of the numerous verses that talk about fighting against non-believers?

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Post #125

muhammad_isa said:

muhammad_isaIslam

No .. I am not saying that Muhammad, peace be with him, did anything wrong .. I’m saying that people who are at war are most likely to behave in an undefined manner .. not in accordance with their beliefs..

It’s a simple statement to say that ‘Islam was spread by the sword’ .. could you also say that ‘modern capitalism was spread by the atom bomb’ ?

Too simplistic .. Almighty God knows our individual intentions .. who is guilty and who is not from amongst mankind of ALL faiths .. He knows who begins aggression and who defends themselves.

Post #127

Paarsurrey wrote:

There is no possibility for that. Religion never spreads by sword, because sword cannot convince one at heart. Muhammad told very clearly that one can become muslim when one’s heart witnesses the truth and then one declares with one’s tongue of the ONENESS of G-d and the prophet-hood of Muhammad:

One can become Muslim when one’s heart witnesses the truth and then one declares with one’s tongue of the ONENESS of G-d and the prophet-hood of Muhammad:
“Anas reported that the Holy Prophet said: There is no one who testifies truly from his heart that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, but Allah prohibits for him the fire of hell.”
(Mishkat al-Masabih, Book of Faith, ch. 1, sec. 1)

“A person becomes a Muslim by leaving all that contradicts the meaning of the following Testification of Faith, believing in the heart and declaring with the tongue”
http://alsunna.org/beconvinced.htm

To become a Muslim one must simply pronounce the Shahadah (Declaration of Faith) through his/her heart and tongue with sincerity and conviction.
“ASH-HADU ANLA ELAHA ILLA-ALLAH WA ASH-HADU ANNA MOHAMMADAN ABDUHU WA RASOOLUHU”.
The English translation is:
“I bear witness that there is no deity worthy to be worshipped but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger”.
http://www.aaicw.org/old-aaicw/how_to_be_a_muslim.html
Regards

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Is there a complete list of countries where Islam spread by the sword?

November 22, 2015
Post #129

Paarsurrey wrote:

Your sentence that I have coloured in magenta (in italics above) is not clear. Please elaborate.

G-d did not abandon Muhammad, he was successful in every field, and this is a clear and brilliant sign , as mentioned in Quran of his being a truthful prophet of G-d and the Meccan idolaters were wrong in not accepting him rather opposing him tooth and nail:

[58:21]Certainly those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest.
[58:22]Allah has decreed: ‘Most surely I will prevail, I and My Messengers.’ Verily, Allah is Powerful, Mighty.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=58&verse=21

And that is the open secret of Muhammad being successful.
Note: Nobody has yet provided a complete list with consensus of countries where Islam spread by sword as is commonly alleged superficially.
Regards

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http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/is-there-a-complete-list-of-countries-where-islam-spread-by-the-sword.181468/page-7#post-4515583

Did Islam spread by sword?

May 31, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3788374-post42.html

paarsurrey

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZooGirl02

Hi everyone. Some people say that Islam was spread by the sword. Others say that it was not. The Koran says that there is to be no compulsion in religion so it would seem that Islam’s sacred text would condone religious freedom. But was this really the case historically? Here is the reference from the Koran which I am referring to.
Quote:

[2.256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

paarsurrey’s response:

Islam did not spread with sword or because of sword.
Islam spread for its natural, rational and peaceful teachings.

Regards

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3790428-post76.html

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZooGirl02

“You know, I am thinking that perhaps it was just that Islamic empires were spread by the sword but not the religion itself was spread by the sword historically. Now, granted, there have been cases in recent times in which people were forced to convert to Islam or die such as in Syria but I am speaking historically. Also, the actions of a few should not be blamed on the entire group that the few are a member of. That’s my opinion anyway. I mean, you wouldn’t say that Atheists endorse murder just because some Communist Atheists murdered people in Soviet Russia, right?”

Unquote

Paarsurrey says:

I agree with you.

Regards

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/163547-islam-spread-sword-13.html#post3792169

Paarsurrey wrote:

I have checked many countries;it just happened like that.
If one likes; I could give examples.

For example:

Peaceful spread of Islam in Maldives:

The islands converted from Buddhism in the 12th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/islam_in_the_maldives

There was no subjugation by sword.

Regards

Taoism : Lao-Tzu

May 10, 2014

Lao - Tzu

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_2_section_4.html

ALL CHINESE RELIGIONS are derived from the same ancient source of spiritual and religious experiences of the great Chinese sage prophet Fu Hsi. In the subsequent ages, many a great sage and thinker pondered over the works of Fu Hsi and studied them in-depth. Based on their study they presented to the Chinese people new philosophies, sciences, religions and moral teachings. Among them are King Wan, his son Cheu Kung and Lao-tzu, all held in great esteem by the Chinese people of all ages. The way of life presented by Lao-tzu (6th century BC), a contemporary of Confucius, is known as Taoism.

In Taoism, eternal truth is embodied in a being known as Tao whose attributes are spiritual and holy rather than material. Tao can be aptly defined as a personification of eternal virtues. They are precisely the same attributes as ascribed to God in Islam and other Divinely revealed religions. Taoism teaches man to completely submit to Truth (Tao), and to strive to modulate Tao. Tao is the model, and Taoism is the way to gain nearness to this model.
The same is the treatment in the Holy Quran regarding the relationship between God and man:

The hues of God! And who is more beautiful in hues than God?—and Him alone do we worship. *
In Islam God is described and introduced through His attributes and the goal set for Muslims is to emulate them to modulate their lives. The description of Tao, presented by Lao-tzu, is quite similar to the attributes of God mentioned in the Quran. He writes:

‘The great Tao is vast. He is on the left and He is on the right. All creatures depend upon Him, and the care of them tires Him not. He brings creation to completion, without seeking reward. He provides for all His creation, but requires nothing for Himself, so He may be considered small. All creatures turn to Him for their needs, yet He keeps nothing for Himself, thus He may be named ‘the Supreme’. He does not consider Himself great and because of this He is truly Great.’**

*Translation of 2:139 by the author.
**DAN, L (1969) The Works of Lao Tzyy. Truth and Nature. The World Book Company, Ltd. Taipei, Taiwan, China. Ch.34, p.17

Pages 165-166 “Revelation, Rationality, Knowledge & Truth” by Mirza Tahir Ahmad

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_2_section_4.html

The All Powerful One God

April 25, 2014

Friday Sermon: The All Powerful One God
Sermon Delivered by Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad (at) Head of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.

http://www.alislam.org/friday-sermon/2014-04-18.html

Translation of the Sermon is available in following language; please click the language of your choice accessing the above link.

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Synopsis:

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Now the only source to reach the God of this universe is the Holy Prophet(saw). In order to appreciate the power of God one must turn to God in complete sincerity and worship Him. If this is done, God runs to embrace His servants and showers them with His blessings. The Promised Messiah(as) asked us with great anguish to connect to God in this manner and thus adorn our life in this world as well as in the Hereafter.

No one can comprehend His Being. We can comprehend the sun and the moon in their entirety, but we cannot comprehend God in His entirety. Then he said: “He is the Knower of the seen”, that is to say, nothing is hidden from Him. It is not to be imagined that He should be unaware of anything. He has every particle of the universe within His sight; but man does not possess such comprehensive vision. He knows when He might break up this system and bring about the Judgement.

Those on whom you call beside Allah cannot create even a fly, though they should all combine together for the purpose; and if a fly should snatch away anything from them, they cannot recover it therefrom. Their worshippers lack intelligence and they themselves lack power. Can such as these be gods? God is One Who is more powerful than all those who possess power.

The Promised Messiah(as) wrote: ‘The objective of all commandments of the religion of Islam is to elucidate the reality of the beauty that is inherent in the word ‘Islam’. The Holy Qur’an comprises teachings which work towards endearing God. They exhibit His beauties and remind us of His beneficence, inasmuch as love is created either by the observation of beauty or by the remembrance of beneficence.

He is the Master of all recompense and everything returns to Him. He is near and yet far, and He is far and yet near. He is above all, but it cannot be said that there is someone below Him. He is more hidden than everything else is but it cannot be said that there is something more manifest than Him. He is Self-Existing in His Being and everything is alive through Him. He is Self-Sustaining and everything is sustained by Him.

Writing about complete belief in God, the Promised Messiah(as) said: ‘Our God possesses many wonders, but they are visible only to those who become His out of sincerity and loyalty. He does not disclose His wonders to those who do not believe in His Power and who are not sincere and loyal to Him. How unfortunate is the man who does not know that he has a God Who has power to do all that He wills. Our paradise lies in our God. Our highest delight is in our God for we have seen Him and have found every beauty in Him.

William Lane Craig is wrong: The One-True-God did speak to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

April 23, 2014

I have written following comments on Richard Carrier’s “Freethought Blogs”.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/4973

paarsurrey
April 23, 2014 at 12:57 pm (awaiting moderation).

“Craig’s fifth and last item of “evidence” is the claim that God (we’re to assume) talks to Christians…but (we’re to assume) all the people of all the other religions throughout history (paganism, Islam, Hinduism, Mormonism) who claim God is speaking to them are wrong–yet when Craig says God speaks to him, he alone is right. Because reasons.
Craig says, “down through history Christians have found through Jesus a personal acquaintance with God that has transformed their lives,” but that is a classic example of his deceitfully misleading method of argument, selectively omitting all the evidence against him, and smoothing over all the serious problems even with the evidence he is singling out (see the first four chapters of The Christian Delusion, as well as the seventh, and eighth). Because an honest statement would be, “Down through history many people have found a thousand different god-beliefs, from paganism to Hinduism to Islam to Mormonism to Kao Dai, and even atheistic philosophical worldviews, from Humanism to Taoism to Marxism, that have transformed their lives, and this was even happening for tens of thousands of years before anyone had ever heard from any god claiming to be Jesus.” Unquote

Craig must be a very biased person for Christianity and against other religions.

The One-True-God ( definitely not Jesus who never died on the Cross and never resurrected from the physical dead and never ascended to heaven); did talk to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 and I quote from him:

“The Speaker (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) is Honored with Divine Converse”

“I would be guilty of doing great wrong to my fellow beings if I were not to declare at this stage that divine bounty has bestowed upon me the status which I have just defined and has honored me with the kind of converse the features of which I have just set out in detail, so that I should bestow sight upon the blind and should guide the seekers of the One Who has been so far lost, and should give to those who accept the truth the good news of that holy fountain of which many speak but which few find.

I wish to assure the listeners that the God, meeting with Whom is the salvation and eternal welfare of man, cannot be found without following the Holy Quran.

Would that the people were to see that which I have seen, and were to hear that which I have heard, and should lay aside mere tales and should run to the truth! The cleansing water which removes all doubt, that mirror through which that Supreme Being can be seen, is converse with the Divine that I have just mentioned. Let him whose soul seeks the truth arise and search.

I tell you truly that if souls are charged with true seeking and hearts develop true thirst; people would search for that way and would seek that path. How can that way be discovered, and how can the intervening veil be removed? I assure all seekers that it is Islam alone which conveys the good news of that path. All other people have since long sealed up divine revelation. Be sure, however, that this seal is not imposed by God, but is an excuse that is put forward by man on account of his privation.

Be sure that as it is not possible that we should be able to see without eyes, or should be able to hear without ears, or should be able to speak without a tongue, in the same way it is not possible that without the help of the Quran we should be able to behold the countenance of the True Beloved. I was young and am now old but I have not encountered anyone who has quaffed the cup of this visible understanding except out of this holy fountain.
Page 206-207

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Philosophy-of-Teachings-of-Islam.pdf

Thanks and regards

Islam always spread by peace and with peace

April 8, 2014

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

http://anaivethinker.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/how-i-became-an-atheist/comment-page-1/#comment-214

paarsurrey | April 8, 2014 at 4:16 pm

@anaivethinker | April 3, 2014 at 10:33 pm
@Howie | April 8, 2014 at 1:47 pm
“Islam was started by the tip of the sword” Unquote

There is no teachings of violence in Quran/Islam/Muhammad; absolutely none; and Islam/Quran promote nothing but peace.

The Meccans persecuted Muslims at Mecca; imprisoned them, killed many among them. They did not allow Muslims any free will or any freedom of religion; to the point that the Muslims had to emigrate from Mecca to Medina to save their lives and enjoy religious freedom; some 100 kilometers afar; yet they did not allow Muslims to live in peace at Medina and aggressively attacked them to finish them off the surface of the planet earth well equipped and outnumbered.

They never listened to any reason; they entered into treaties yet always broke them. They openly held that sword will decide between us.

So sword was the choice of Meccans not of Muslims.

Thanks and regards

Quote archaeological site mentioned in Quran proved wrong with “consensus”: Moses and Abraham

March 27, 2014

The viewers of this blog are encouraged to access the following link to know the context of the dialogue and then form their own opinion independently and freely:

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/a-reason-to-believe/comment-page-1/#comment-13605

PAARSURREY says:
March 27, 2014 at 11:11 pm

@JOHN ZANDE : March 27, 2014 at 9:57 pm :@ N℮ÜҐ☼N☮☂℮Ṧ :March 27, 2014 at 10:19 pm

“That’s the absolute archaeological consensus, Paar”
“And the historical/archaeological findings about Moses and Abraham”

One should not be in the habit of making generalization; at least before making any bold claims one should verify the specific reference one intends to make; wisdom requires it.

This only proves the veracity and tenacity of Islam/Quran/Muhammad.

They only checked archaeological sites mentioned in Bible; so their “consensus” is only valid for Bible, Christians, Jews; it has absolutely no bearing on Islam/Quran/Muhammad.

Please quote an archaeological site mentioned in Quran that has proved to be wrong with “consensus”.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/features/world/asia/israel/abraham-text

Quran clearly mentions that the Jews and Christian scholars had been involved into tampering with their scriptures; now this has been proved right, even the Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics would witness to it.

Nothing personal, please

Regards

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/a-reason-to-believe/comment-page-1/#comment-13612

PAARSURREY says:
March 28, 2014 at 10:50 am

@JOHN ZANDE :March 27, 2014 at 11:48 pm

Their findings are with reference to Bible; it is not with reference to Quran. Muhammad received Revelation of Quran from the One-True-God directly; its truth has shone like daylight.

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/a-reason-to-believe/comment-page-1/#comment-13615

PAARSURREY says:
March 28, 2014 at 11:52 am
@JOHN ZANDE :March 28, 2014 at 11:36 am
“Does the Qur’an, or does it not, talk about Abraham and Moses as if they were real people?Yes or No?” Unquote

I mentioned that Muhammad received Revelation of Quran from the One-True-God directly ; it has got nothing to do with the OT Bible or NT Bible.

Narratives of Bible had been proved wrong which were being searched into from the sites excavated mentioned in the Bible.

Narratives of Quran are still intact.

I don’t know as to why one cannot get it.

Followers of Jesus and Atheists should have no trouble with Quran/Islam/Muhammad

March 23, 2014

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/03/17/hermeneutics-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13385

PAARSURREY says:
March 23, 2014 at 10:22 pm

@ QUACKZALCOATL: March 22, 2014 at 9:08 pm
“And atheists, as far as I can tell, are generally interested in free speech, discovering truth from a scientific perspective, and “live and let live” freedom.” Unquote

If Atheists want free speech, freedom of religion; and that scientific perspective is upheld; peaceful co-existence; human rights then I think they should have no trouble with Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

No commandment in Quran to make a human a slave: No slavery in Quran

March 21, 2014

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/03/17/hermeneutics-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13356

PAARSURREY says:
March 21, 2014 at 8:06 pm

@JOHN ZANDE says: March 21, 2014 at 12:06 pm

“Paar…. I think you should read this post. It’s brilliant written.” Unquote

I don’t think it is anyway related to Islam/Quran/Muhammad; there is no commandment in Quran to make anybody a slave.

If one thinks that there is some commandment to make a human a slave in Quran please quote just a single verse, repeat a single verse, from Quran in this connection.

Everybody is invited to participate in this discussion. Please don’t give a list; if you have a list then select one verse that justifies your viewpoint (the most).

Thanks and regards