Posts Tagged ‘Mary’

Of being born of a virgin

May 11, 2015
Post #54

Topic of the thread :What do you think of the virgin birth of Jesus ?

Jesus was born to Mary without a father. There are/were many people who were born from the virgins in the ancient times.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Adam was born without a father or mother.

Regards

Post #57

Post #60

Paarsurrey wrote:

Well in that sense everybody is born of a virgin.
I agree with you.

Regards

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Christians need to reform Christianity

April 23, 2014

I have written following comments on Richard Carrier’s “Freethought Blogs”.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/4973#comment-203764

paarsurrey says:
April 23, 2014 at 1:28 pm (awaiting moderation)

“The good thing is that Evangelical Christians tend to be very passionate people and want to believe in something. If they would only put aside the lies, omissions, and distortions promulgated by their own well-paid con-men for a moment and reexamine their worldview in light of what the actual philosophical, scientific, and historical evidence is today, then they, too, would find Christmas worth celebrating…as what it actually is: a once pagan and now secular holiday invented by human beings for their own enjoyment and good. Then they can maybe go one step further and exit their dangerous delusion, and stop hating people and voting to take away their rights or to perpetuate injustices against the disadvantaged, and instead start actually caring about their fellow human beings, and the truth, for a change. Wouldn’t that be a wonderful Christmas present for us all?” Unquote

I agree with you.

The Christians need to reform their religion.

They should disprove the mythical creed invented by Paul, scribes and the Church and follow Jesus and Mary in their true and core teachings and acts.

Instead of changing themselves as per Jesus; Christians change Jesus according to their wishes

March 13, 2014

Please view Paarsurrey comments on the blog “Is there a God?” for your valuable opinion, even if you differ.

“Is there a God?”
“Welcome to atheists (and others)”
http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/#comment-8809

paarsurrey
MAR 13, 2014 @ 12:15:40

@MyGoatyBeard: MAR 11, 2014 @ 22:33:06, MAR 13, 2014 @ 07:13:29

In response to :[But Paarsurrey is happy to quote the verses from Matthew that he likes, but doesn’t respond to the other verses I mention in Matthew that speak of Jesus:-
1. being worshipped. . . . . . . .Matthew 15:25]

Paarsurrey says:

Christians should follow acts and deeds of Jesus; he introduced no new form of worship; he and his mother Mary never went to a Church; they used to go in the synagogues and followed what was done there. Jews worship none but Yahweh as told by Moses in the OT.

Christians of different denominations are used to changing the text of the Bible and they make it to suit to their beliefs:

Matthew 15:25

21Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
27“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
28Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
http://biblehub.com/niv/matthew/15.htm
21 aJesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of bTyre and bSidon.
22 And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, aSon of David; my daughter is cruelly bdemon-possessed.”
23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting1at us.”
24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to athe lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
25 But she came and abegan 1to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”
26 And He answered and said, “It is not 1good to take the children’sbread and throw it to the dogs.”
27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; 1but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”
28 Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, ayour faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed 1at once.

http://biblia.com/books/nasb95/Mt15.20

There is no mention of any worship in Matthew 15:25.

Instead of changing their beliefs and making them in conformity with the core teachings of Jesus and Moses and the prophets; they change Jesus and try to shape him as per their wishes.

Thanks

Christians should accept core teachings of Jesus

March 10, 2014

Please view Paarsurrey comments on the blog “Is there a God?” for your valuable opinion, even if you differ.

“Is there a God?”
“Welcome to atheists (and others)”

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/#comment-8800

paarsurrey
MAR 10, 2014 @ 22:38:22

@unkleE:MAR 08, 2014 @ 23:33:33
“Do I take it from your answer that you don’t accept what the scholars say about history and Jesus?” Unquote

Hi unkleE

I think it is a strange question.

History is not 100% truthful, as you know; there are always scholars differing with other scholars of history.

If the Christians don’t accept what they believe to be Jesus’ (their god or son of god) words expressing his own core teachings where he quoted and referred to OT, Moses, and prophets; how they think others would accept what lesser scholars have written about history and Jesus?

Moreover history is not written only in Europe that Jesus never visited; history is also written in other countries where Jesus and Mary and other disciples of Jesus actually visited. Will that be acceptable to you? Please.

To believe in history or scholars of history is not a prime article of faith or a pillar of faith of Islam:

Articles of Faith

• Unity of God
• His Angels
• His Books
• His Prophets
• The Last Day
• Divine Decree

Five Pillars of Islam

• Kalima
• Prayer
• Fasting
• Zakaat
• Hajj

http://www.alislam.org/

Is believing in history or scholars of history the prime tenet of Christianity?

I don’t think so

Thanks and regards

Why Paul never sought out Mary?

March 10, 2014

Please view Paarsurrey comments on the blog “Is there a God?” for your valuable opinion, even if you differ.

“Is there a God?”
“Welcome to atheists (and others)”

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/
http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/#comment-8781

paarsurrey
MAR 09, 2014 @ 22:10:38

@One Skeptic : MAR 07, 2014 @ 20:11:27

“I have always wondered why Paul never sought out Mary?”

Jesus went out of Judea and out of the jurisdiction of the Roman Empire lest he is caught again by the Jews and hanged again. He took his mother Mary along with him. Paul must have known it; but he won’t tell it lest he is exposed.
It is reported that during Jesus’ journey to India, Mary died in the way towards Kashmir and is said to be buried at Murree, a hill station near Islamabad Pakistan.

The name Murree is after the name of Mary the mother of Jesus; one may Google for it and read so many entries on it.
Thanks

Jesus: three misconceptions allayed about him

June 23, 2013

First: Quran does not mention Jesus’ face was changed with Judas; it is a very wrong conception. Judas’ name is mentioned nowhere in Quran.

Second: Jesus neither died on Cross nor he was risen to heaven or sky from the Cross.
Quran mentions:
[23:51] And We made the son of Mary and his mother a Sign, and gave them shelter on an elevated land of green valleys and springs of running water.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=23&verse=50

This verse hints towards Kashmir; where Jesus Yeshua Isa spent his later life and he died there and is buried there.

Third: Quran nowhere mentions about physical descent of Jesus. One who is placed in heaven does not come back to this world. Symbolic or metaphoric Second Coming of him has taken place in the form of the Promised Messiah 1835-1908. This is understandable and reasonable.

One could  view following documentaries in this connection:

  1. BBC Documentary

 

 2.     Jesus in Kashmir (India)-Documentary by Indian Govt.

 

Crucifix – a sign of idolatory

April 22, 2013

Bryan Says in his comments:

I never heard anyone say that the cross became the symbol of Christianity because Christians liked the shape of the cross and also wanted to have an idol to look at and worship that more than what it stands for. On the other hand I think the commandment against graven images could apply to crucifix’s because Jesus is on them, and they are mainly worn by Catholic Christians that also venerate saints and Mary unduly in my opinion. So there is a flirting with idolatry but I think and hope of most of them “they know not what they do.” I don’t wear a cross myself and personally don’t know many Christians that do.

Paarsurrey says:

Showing Jesus hanging on the Cross makes one sentimental; so it should not be shown publicly in the Churches and worn by its followers.

I appreciate your gesture of not wearing it though.

Since Jesus did not die on the Cross and was delivered from the cross alive (though near-dead); and later he travelled to India along-with Mary the mother and other many disciples. There is no point in demonstrating crucifix of Jesus.

Seeing apparitions of Mary and Jesus

April 18, 2013

I have noticed some Christians claim seeing apparition of Mary or Jesus. I have always wondered if they saw somebody, and I don’t doubt that they have not seen something, as to how they identify somebody as Mary or Jesus that appeared to them. How could they be able to recognize one whom they did not see while one was alive in one’s real life? Nevertheless; I never had such experience myself so it is quite natural that I cannot benefit from their private experience. We humans could share only reasonable and rational things a common tool of understanding between us; I think everybody will agree with me. More so because there are no standard features of Mary or Jesus described in the Bible; and those who claim to have seen them as apparitions also differ a lot.

I quote here from a Christian site in connection with Mary’s apparitions:

“The apparition appeared on the domes of the church for up to two hours or more at a time, always at night, but not every night and not at regular times. The Lady appeared in glittering light—so bright that her features could not be clearly seen—which streamed across the church. She was invariably preceded or accompanied by luminous “doves,” “strange bird-like creatures made of light,” which did not flap their wings but glided.”

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/apparitions_of_the_virgin_mary.html

Reason could benefit from Revelation; if it is in the original words and language (with its text and the context fully preserved); and if it was revealed on a human messenger prophet of one true God.

As to the Word revealed on Jesus and Mary; the above condition of reason and rationality is non-existent in their case.
In addition to the above the gospel writers or scribes wrote things with a purpose; Christians sometimes do mention it; that makes their writings biased; not fit to be trusted, in my opinion.

One has a right to differ with me; as do anybody else; I agree.

Footprints of Jesus tell Jesus real story

April 15, 2013

Jesus photo shrowd of Turin

Jesu-footprints2

Like I said earlier; Jesus son of Mary was a real and factual person, his footprints on the planet Earth cannot be forgotten. It is very unfortunate that as his real person moved out of Judea to India the facts about Jesus also moved with him there; while a fictional story moved with Paul to Rome via a made-up vision.

I respect the Christians and their blind-faith in Paul’s Christianity; they have a right to believe in anything they want to, out of their own free-will; yet they have also a right to know the facts of Jesus, a real human being, son of the Virgin Mary, this right also cannot be denied to them. They cannot be kept blindfolded by the Church who holds the legacy of Paul; of course none of Jesus.

Jesus moved to India; there were no cameras in those days; but as I told the mother Earth preserved prints of his feet carved in stone in Kashmir, India; in the tomb where he is buried.

The feet of Jesus tell Jesus’ real story.

To know more about the story of Jesus from Judea to India one could view the following link:

http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm

Quran is the living Word of one true God; NT Bible is a book of fiction

April 13, 2013

Jesus did receive word of Revelation from the one true God; but he neither wrote it down nor did he dictate it to anybody nor he authorized anybody to write it down on his behalf; the whole of NT is an unauthorized book in this respect. I don’t deny that all books of fiction do have some realities within their folds, literally or metaphorically; that is why people do attract to such fictional works, bible could not be an exception to these reasons, I think. I therefore respect it; but truth has to be spoken and unearthed.

Quran is Word of God revealed/descended on the heart of Muhammad under a ‎remarkable natural system, which no other “Book” in this world has ever had; and that ‎also proves that it is not authored by Muhammad; but it is from God Allah YHWH.

I would like to mention the way the ‎Quran was revealed and that would also dispel any doubts in the mind of viewers of this ‎discourse about Quran.The text of none of the sacred Scriptures, claimed to‎ have been revealed before the Quran, has been preserved intact. They all need to be respected though.

I want to quote here something about Quran:

Quote:

“They have all have been interfered with to such an extent that an
earnest seeker after truth finds it impossible to adopt any of‎
them as a practical guide for right conduct.
In contrast with
this, the text of the Quran has been preserved intact and every
word of it has come down to us as free from interference and
interpolation as when it was revealed to the Holy Prophet
one thousand four hundred years ago.‎
The Quran began to be revealed at the outset of the Mission
of the Holy Prophet.

The first revelation, comprising only a
few verses, was received by him in the Hira Cave. Thereafter
the revelation continued till his death. Thus the total period
during which the entire Quran was revealed extended to
twenty-three years.

We know, on the basis of the testimony of
his contemporaries, that in the beginning revelation came to the
Prophet at intervals and in small bits, but as time passed it
grew both in volume and in frequency till in the last years
of his life it swelled into an almost continuous stream. ‎
One reason for this, among others, was that the teachings contained
in this revelation were altogether novel and it was not easy
for people to grasp their full significance. Therefore the Quran
was revealed in small portions in the beginning. But after
the basic principles of Islam had been fully grasped and it
became comparatively easy for people to understand the teachings
and the topics dealt with in the Quran, the revelation began‎
to arrive faster and in larger volume. ‎

The object was that all
Muslims should be enabled fully to grasp the teachings of the
Quran. Another reason was that the number of Muslims was
very small in the beginning and, as God intended that the text
of the Quran should be scrupulously preserved and that it
should not become the subject of any doubt, only small portions
were revealed at a time in the beginning and there was always
an interval, sometimes extending to several months, between
the revelation of one group of verses and the next.

In this manner the few Muslims were enabled to commit the whole
revelation to memory, so as to place the matter of the preservation‎
of the text beyond doubt. When the number of Muslims
began to increase and the safe-guarding and preservation of the
text of the Quran became easier, the revelation began to arrive
faster.

Towards the close of the Holy Prophet’s life the number
of Muslims exceeded a hundred thousand and the memorizing
of the Quran became very easy. At that time the revelation
came faster still. By this divine plan the purity of the text of
the Quran was placed beyond doubt.

During the Caliphate of ‘Uthman seven copies of the Quran‎
were despatched to different parts of the Muslim world and they
in turn became the standard texts from which other copies were
made and thereafter in each generation hundreds of thousands
of people have been in the habit of committing the entire text
of the Quran to memory.

Even the bitterest enemies of Islam
do not allege that any interference with the text of the Quran has
taken place since the time of ‘Uthman. Those who seek to
raise doubts regarding the purity of the text of the Quran direct
their criticism to the period between the death of the Holy
Prophet and the Caliphate of ‘Uthman.

Whenever any portion of the Quran was revealed to the Holy
Prophet, he used to commit it to memory and, as he continuously
recited the Quran from one end to the other, he always
carried the whole of the revealed Quran at all times in his
memory.

Unquote

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Introduction-Study-Holy-Quran.pdf

I think it reasonably explains that the text of the Quran as spoken by God Allah YHWH ‎to Muhammad is secure without any doubt.‎
Quran mentions the essential accounts of life of Jesus and Mary; so the accounts of the Bible could be checked and purified in its light. Love for all; hatred for none.

One should not accept the contents mentioned above in blind-faith; one should accept them after due search and research.
Thanks