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Which is “the first, the greatest and mightiest of all books”?

April 15, 2019

Religious Forums

#1 paarsurrey wrote:

Which is “the first, the greatest and mightiest of all books”?

Thread open for all people who belong to a religion or no-religion, please.


Bahaullah writes:

“Gracious God! In His Book, which He hath entitled “Qayyúmu’l-Asmá,”—the first, the greatest and mightiest of all books—He prophesied His own martyrdom. In it is this passage: “O thou Remnant of God! I have sacrificed myself wholly for Thee; I have accepted curses for Thy sake; and have yearned for naught but martyrdom in the path of Thy love. Sufficient Witness unto me is God, the Exalted, the Protector, the Ancient of Days!”

Page 231 Kitab-i-Iqan or the “Book of Certitude” written by Bahaullah.


Did Bahaullah claim that Iqan is Revelation from God?

April 14, 2019

Religious Forums

Post #17paarsurrey wrote:

I have not yet inquired about when did Bahaullah claim/declare about his stations as ascribed to him by the Bahaism people. They have a right to believe or not to believe anything about anybody with or without any arguments, I have no objection to that.

I repeat my humble submission again:

My interest is only in Bahaullah , his claims and the arguments given by him in support of his claims.

I am reading Kitab-e-Iqan by Bahaullah and it occurred to me that Bahaullah does not say in it in clear and unequivocal terms about the things written in this book that these has been revealed on/to him by/from G-d. Right, please?
I will appreciate if somebody gives quotes from Iqan, if I am wrong.



Post #33 paarsurrey wrote:

I asked a simple question and our friend (a Bahai) has given a simple answer confirming “Bahaullah did NOT say in clear terms that, the Book of Iqan is a revelation from God.”

I don’t know as to why other friend could not confirm it.
They may please note it, and if they like it there is no harm in confirming it. Right, please?
No compulsion though.


Bahaullah “Sender of the Messengers”?!!!

April 12, 2019

Religious Forums

Post #94 paarsurrey

“The UHJ cannot change the “original writings” of Baha’u’llah”


I agree with one that UHJ (or Abdul Baha or Shoghí Effendí) cannot change the original writings of Bahaullah.

Courtesy our friend #23 A bahai friend:

Bahaullah proclaimed that in Reality, He was the Author of All previous Religions, and that He had sent all prophets of the Past, thus, He is the One who can explain His own Books that He had previously revealed. I quote Bahaullah:

” …Hearken unto the Call of Husayn[2] Who hath been incarcerated in the Prison Fortress of ’Akká by reason of that which the hands of the heedless have wrought. If one were to question them,[3]“by what reason have ye imprisoned Him?”, they would reply: “Verily, He hath come with a new Shariah and this new Shariah doth not accord with the Law under which we have been. To this matter testifieth our Book which is called the Qur’án, a Book that is from God,[4] the Lord of all mankind. See that which the All-Merciful hath revealed therein: ‘Verily He[5] is the Messenger of God, and the Seal of the Prophets.’”[6]

To this We reply: “Indeed thou speaketh the truth. We do testify that through Him,[7]Messengership[8] and Prophethood[9] have both been sealed and any one claiming after Him this most exalted station is in manifest error.[10] Nevertheless, O Questioner! Hearken unto My voice which sayeth: “Open thine eyes that thou mayest behold the Most Great Beauty,[11] through Whom speaketh the Lord of divine decree. By God! Through Him the ‘Hour’[12] hath appeared, and the ‘Resurrection’[13] hath come to pass, and the ‘Moon’[14]hath been cleft asunder and thou wouldst behold all in a ‘continuing Regeneration’ if thou be of them that possess insight.

“Verily, through His Advent hath come to be fulfilled the Advent about which glad tidings have been given by the Messengers of God from all eternity and there hath come to pass about which God hath revealed in the Qur’án: ‘On that Day they shall all rise before the Lord of mankind.’[15]Truly the Cycle of Prophethood hath been rolled up and He Who hath sent down the Prophets hath come, arrayed with a manifest and perspicuous sovereignty. ….” Unquote
Tablet to Hasan-i-Sháhábadí
That would make Bahaullah “mursil al-rusul” or “Sender of the Messengers”. Right, please?

Though I don’t agree with the understanding of Bahaullah, please.


#87  #86  #84 


Bahaullah and Baghdad

April 11, 2019


Religious Forums

Post #28  paarsurrey wrote:

“Sura 10:25
And God summons to the Abode of Peace, and He guides whomsoever He will to a straight path;
المسالك::The city of Baghdad; its description by Ibn Jubair
“UnquoteYou mean:
The likeness of the present life is only as water which We send down from the clouds, then there mingles with it the produce of the earth, of which men and cattle eat till, when the earth receives its ornature and looks beautiful and its owners think that they have power over it, there comes to it Our command by night or by day and We render it a field that is mown down, as if nothing had existed there the day before. Thus do We expound the Signs for a people who reflect.
And Allah calls to the abode of peace, and guides whom He pleases to the straight path.
The Holy Quran – Chapter: 10: Yunus

2>Baghdad (/ˈbæɡdæd, bəɡˈdæd/Arabic: بغداد‎ [baɣˈdaːd] ( listen)) is the capital of Iraq. The population of Baghdad, as of 2016, is approximately 8,765,000,[citation needed][note 1]making it the largest city in Iraq, the second largest city in the Arab world (after CairoEgypt), and the second largest city in Western Asia (after TehranIran).

Located along the Tigris River, the city was founded in the 8th century and became the capital of the Abbasid Caliphate. Within a short time of its inception, Baghdad evolved into a significant cultural, commercial, and intellectual center for the Islamic world. This, in addition to housing several key academic institutions (e.g., House of Wisdom), as well as hosting multiethnic and multireligious environment, garnered the city a worldwide reputation as the “Centre of Learning”.

When the Abbasid caliph, al-Mansur, founded a completely new city for his capital, he chose the name Madinat al-Salaam or City of Peace. This was the official name on coins, weights, and other official usage, although the common people continued to use the old name.[19][20][unreliable source?] By the 11th century, “Baghdad” became almost the exclusive name for the world-renowned metropolis.
Baghdad – Wikipedia

The city (Baghdad) did not exist in the time of Muhammad. Its name, as I understand, was Baghdad in the time of Bahaullah also.

Isn’t one reading too much what is not meant in the text with certainty, please?


Bahaullah has revealed!

April 9, 2019

Religious Forums

Post #1 paarsurrey wrote:

Bahaullah has revealed!

The above sentence means Bahaullah has/had told/written something. It does not mean that God has told something to Bahaullah.
Am I correct? Please.

Thread open to everybody of any religion or no-religion, please.



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Post #3 paarsurrey wrote:
1. The Kitáb-i-Íqán | Bahá’í Reference Library – The Bahá’í Faith

treatise revealed by Bahá’u’lláh in Baghdad in 1861/62 in response to questions posed by one of the maternal uncles of the Báb, translated by Shoghi Effendi …

2. Lawh-i Ibn-i Dhi’b, Lawh-i Shaykh (Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, ESW), `Akka, latter part and perhaps all revealed between 27 June and early August, 1891 (see Ra’fati, in Pazhuheshnameh 2:1).
Mentioned as “the last outstanding Tablet revealed by the pen of Baha’u’llah” GPB 220; further GPB 201, 219, 220, 232, 238; PDC 117, 141.

The term “revealed” here simply means written by. Right. please?


Post #6 paarsurrey wrote:

Sorry, I am not much concerned with the Bahais and or the Bahaism, and as to what they believe. They are human beings, they can make mistakes.

My interest is only in Bahaullah , his claims and the arguments given by him in support of his claims.
I am reading Kitab-e-Iqan by Bahaullah and it occurred to me that Bahaullah does not say in it in clear and unequivocal terms about the things written in this book that these has been revealed on/to him by/from G-d. Right, please?
I will appreciate if somebody gives quotes from Iqan, if I am wrong.


Post #20 

Quote”You are correct. Bahaullah did NOT say in clear terms that, the Book of Iqan is a revelation from God. Does that answer your question?” Unquote.

“Did Paul champion the Cause of Christ or corrupt it?”

October 26, 2018

Post #203


Paarsurrey Wrote:
I totally agree with one on the following points:

  1. We only have his (Paul’s) word for it that he ever saw an angel of light, meaning Paul’s “word” is nothing but a fake one. Right, please?
  2. But nobody calls him (Paul) apostle but himself, meaning Paul is a self-designated Apostle, Jesus did no appoint him as such. Right, please?
  3. He (Paul) fits every definition of a man coming in his own name, and fulfills that prophecy, too. I believe Paul doctored the anonymous narrations/gospels so as some prophecies fit on him as fulfilled. I believe that Paul was the wolf, which Jesus prophesied, according to Matthew 7:15 ,15 Beware of false prophets. They come to youin sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. Right, please?
  4. Paul is the reason for the division in Christianity.
  5. In Matthew 28, Jesus told His 11 to teach the nations what Jesus had taught. And Jesus had taught that his mission was only for the the reformation of Judaism people so that they believe and act on the Law of Moses and not on the additions/reduction made by the Jewish clergy after Moses.
  6. Paul comes along, creates an entirely new guy wearing the name of Jesus, and teaches against what Jesus had taught. It is for this that the “Great Commission”* is much disputed by modern scholars:

    *Matthew 28:19 A Text-Critical Investigation, 2006.

This commission towards the Gentiles seems to be clearly manufactured by Paul and has nothing to do with Jesus.

Did I understand the contents of one’s post correctly, please?


“Sacred status of ancient documents”

October 26, 2018

Post #27 

Paarsurrey wrote:

Paul was not an eyewitness of the Jesus’ accounts, and Luke* was also not an eyewitness.
*”Some scholars[103][104] uphold the traditional claim that Luke the Evangelist, an associate of St. Paul who was probably not an eyewitness to Jesus’ ministry, wrote the Gospel of Luke and Acts of the Apostles. Others point out that Acts contradicts Paul’s own letters and denies him the important title of apostle, suggesting that the author was not a companion of Paul’s.[105]
As is the case with all the Gospels, it is unknown exactly when the Gospel of Luke was written. Scholars have proposed a range of dates from as early as 60 AD to well into the second century, but the majority of recent critical scholars favour late 1st-century dates after 70 AD”.[106][107][108][109]
Historical reliability of the Gospels – Wikipedia

“Is witchcraft a faith that deserves respect?”

October 26, 2018


Is witchcraft a faith that deserves respect?

What I get from the discussion is that
the superstitious , mythical and violent part of all religions , or non-religions worldviews should be discouraged and not-supported.


“Jesus Resurrection”

October 26, 2018
Post #1210
paarsurrey wrote:

I believe that the resurrection of Jesus or resurrection of Christ is
the Christian religious belief that, after being put to on the Cross, Jesus rose again from the dead as the Nicene Creed expresses it, “On the third day he rose again” is wrong. There are very strong clues against it even in the Gospels. Jesus could not and did not die on the Cross for obvious reasons.He was put on the Cross though, but delivered from it in near-dead position yet he survived against all odds.
“Jesus’ rising from the dead” is a myth created by Paul and the Church.

Resurrection of Jesus – Wikipedia

“See my hands and my feet”

October 24, 2018

“See my hands and my feet” Unquote.

Paarsurrey wrote: 
Jesus here wants to assure his disciples with this gesture that he was the same human being as he was before he was put on the Cross. Those who were in doubt that he had died, in between, they could verify by seeing somewhat fresh injuries/wounds on his hands and feet due to Crucifixion. G-d saved his life against all odds and heard his prayers in the garden of Gethsemane. Jesus neither died on the Cross, nor in the tomb where he was put for treatment by his friends. They could see him and verify that. It was just like Jonah was before going in the belly of fish, in the belly of the fish, and out of the belly of the fish. Neither Jonah died for even a single moment when the event of going on, nor Jesus. As Jonah met his his people after the event so did Jesus.
Right, please?