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“Did Baha’ullah read and understand Quran correctly?”

May 25, 2017

 Blog Post # 2069

I started a thread at my favourite discussion forum  https://www.religiousforums.com/ . One could participate in the discussion by clicking post #3   or just view the discussion at the forum.

#3 paarsurrey  wrote:

Unless one quotes a verse or verses of Quran which Baha’u’llah read and understood correctly from the context verses of Quran which others could not understand, this will be just a claim or a story. Please quote some examples.
Regards

In response to my above post the Bahai wrote the following post:
The Bahai wrote/said in Post #4 :

Both the Bab and Baha’u’llahs writings contain many many quotes from the Koran given in context and each are a book in its own right, so where could you start? It can not be posted here as it is far to much information.

Here is One passage of the Koran Baha’u’llah has explained

Qur’an 91, The Surah of the Sun
By the sun and its noonday brightness!
By the moon when it followeth it!
By the day when it revealeth its glory!
By the night when it enshroudeth it!
By the heaven and that which built it!
By the earth and that which spread it forth!
By a soul and Him who fashioned it!
And informed it of its wickedness and its piety;
Blessed now is he who hath kept it pure,
and undone is he who hath corrupted it!
Thamud in their insolence rejected their prophet,
When the greatest wretch among them rushed up:
Said the Apostle of God to them, “The Camel of God! Let her drink.”
But they treated him as an impostor and hamstrung her.
So their Lord destroyed them for their crime, and visited all alike:
Nor feared He the issue thereof.

Here is the explanation given by Baha’u’llah (Provisional Translation to English) – Commentary on the Surah of the Sun

A quote from it

“…Know that the sun mentioned in this blessed surah hath divers meanings. At the level of primacy and unity, and in the city of pre-existent divinity, it is one of God’s mysteries, one of his sanctuaries, stored away in His treasure hold, concealed in His knowledge, and sealed by God’s own seal. No one is informed thereof save the One, the Unique, the Omniscient. For in this station the sun signifieth the Primal Will and the illumination of divine oneness that by means of its Self sheddeth its effulgence upon the horizons. Whoever approached it was illumined thereby just as, when the sun riseth, its rays encompass the world, all save those surfaces that remain veiled from it by some obstacle….”

Regards

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Paarsurrey says:
Baha’uallh did not explain the difficult portion of the Quran chapter. Why did God (Allah) swear (Qur’an 91, The Surah of the Sun)?
“By the sun and its noonday brightness!
By the moon when it followeth it!
By the day when it revealeth its glory!
By the night when it enshroudeth it!
By the heaven and that which built it!
By the earth and that which spread it forth!
By a soul and Him who fashioned it!”
Did Baha’ullah explain it?
He did not. If Baha’ullah did, then please quote from him.
This explanation is given by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad:
“The Philosophy of Allah’s Swearing by Various things Here one needs to be reminded that there is a deep philosophy in God’s calling the sun and the moon etc. to witness.
Some of our opponents, out of their lack of knowledge, criticise God for calling to witness created things. As their intelligence is earthly and not heavenly they fail to appreciate true insights. The purpose of taking an oath is that the one who takes an oath puts forward a testimony in support of his claim. A person who has no witness of his claim calls God to witness, for He knows what is hidden and He is the foremost witness in every controversy. Such a person puts forward the testimony of God by taking an oath in His name, meaning thereby that if  God does not thereafter chastise him, that would be proof that God has confirmed the truth of his claim.
It is, therefore, not permissible for a person to take the oath of any created thing, for no created thing possesses knowledge of the unseen, nor has it the power to punish one who takes a false oath. In these verses, God calling various phenomena to witness is not the same thing as a person taking an oath. Divine manifestations are of two types. One, those that are obvious and concerning which there is no controversy. Secondly, there are those Divine manifestations which are inferential concerning which people differ and can fall into error. By calling to witness the obvious phenomena, God Almighty’s purpose is to establish by their evidence His inferential manifestations.
It is obvious that the sun and the moon and the day and the night and the heaven and the earth, possess the respective characteristics that we have mentioned, but everyone is not aware of the characteristics possessed by the human soul. Thus, God has set forth His obvious manifestations as witnesses for the purpose of explaining His inferential manifestations. It is as if He says: If you are in doubt with regard to the qualities with which  the human soul is invested, then reflect upon the sun and the moon and the other phenomena cited which obviously possess these qualities.
You know that man is a microcosm that comprises a tiny representation of the pattern of the universe. As it is clear that the great bodies of the macrocosm possess these qualities and provide benefits for God’s creatures, then how can man, who ranks above all those bodies, be without those qualities? That is not so.
Indeed, like the sun, man possesses the light of knowledge and reason whereby he can illumine the world. Like the moon he receives the light of vision and revelation from the Divine and conveys it to others who have not yet arrived at the highest stage of human progress. Then how can you say that prophethood is a false notion and that all prophethoods and purported Divine laws and books are only the imposture and selfishness of certain human beings. You observe how all paths are lit up and the heights and depressions become distinct when the day dawns.
In the same way perfect man is the day of spiritual light, by his advent every path becomes clearly distinguishable. He points out the right path, for he himself is the bright day of truth and righteousness. Similarly, you observe how the night accommodates the weary and how the labourers, after working hard during the day, sleep in the gracious lap of the night and rest from their labours. The night also covers up all defects and imperfections.
In the same way, the perfect servants of God come to provide comfort for people and the recipients of revelation relieve all wise people of extreme effort. Through them great problems of insight are easily resolved. Also Divine revelation covers up the defects of human reason and, like the night, does not let its faults to become known, inasmuch as wise people correct their mistakes on their own in the light of revelation, and thus through the blessings of God’s holy revelation save themselves from being exposed.
That is the reason why no Muslim philosopher offered the sacrifice of a rooster to an idol as was done by Plato. Plato was misled as he was deprived of the light of revelation and despite being a great philosopher he perpetrated such a stupid and hateful act. The following of our lord and master the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, safeguarded the Muslim philosophers against such stupid and unholy practices. This shows how Divine revelation covers up, like the night, the deficiencies of the wise.
182-184 The Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam
Any Bahai on the wordpress, please.
Regards

Multiple English translations of Quran

May 24, 2017

Blog Post # 2068

There are about 50+ English translations of Quran at the following website:

 Search IslamAwakened:
Just putting the chapter/verse in the Custom Search, one get all the translation at one page.
Amazing!
Thanks to Islam Awakened website.
Regards

 

“Did Baha’ullah read and understand Quran correctly?”

May 24, 2017

Blog Post # 2067

I started the above thread at my favourite discussion forum  (religiousforum.com). One could view/join the discussion by clicking Post #19 .

 

Post #19 paarsurrey wrote:

I don’t agree with one.
Even the link given by one does not translate it ”Cause of God”. So one’s point is not correct. Kindly understand the Quranic verse correctly, however, there is no compulsion whatsoever for one to make one’s understanding correct. Please
Regards

Note # 1
We get from the above fairly and reasonably that either Baha’ullah did not study Quran intently or he simply misunderstood Quran. Or he wanted to mislead his followers. We could certainly conclude from the above that Baha’ullah was never a god, he was not even a prophet/messenger of God. His son Abdul Baha was never a son of god.
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Note # 2 :
One could view from the website quoted by the Bahai that “amrunā” has been translated as “Our Command” and not “Cause” as done by the Bahais or Bahaullah.

Arabic وَمَا أَمْرُنَا إِلَّا وَاحِدَةٌ كَلَمْحٍ بِالْبَصَرِ zoom
English Transliteration Arabic Arabic Root Audio
And not wamā وَمَا م ا
(is) Our Command amrunā أَمْرُنَا ا م ر
but illā إِلَّا ا ل ل ا
one, wāḥidatun وَاحِدَةٌ و ح د
like the twinkling kalamḥin كَلَمْحٍ ل م ح
(of) the eye. bil-baṣari بِالْبَصَرِ ب ص ر

Note # 3:

The website http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/54/50/default.htm gives about forty English translation of the Quran verse 54:50 by Muslims and Non-Muslims, none of these has translated the expression “amrunā” as “Cause of God” as held by the Bahai/s.

Arabic Source and Roman Transliteration
Arabic وَمَا أَمْرُنَا إِلَّا وَاحِدَةٌ كَلَمْحٍ بِالْبَصَرِ zoom
Transliteration Wama amruna illa wahidatun kalamhin bialbasari zoom
Literal
(Word by Word)
And not (is) Our Command but one, like the twinkling (of) the eye. zoom
Generally Accepted Translations of the Meaning
Muhammad Asad and Our ordaining [a thing and its coming into being] is but one [act], like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
M. M. Pickthall And Our commandment is but one (commandment), as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) And Our Command is but a single (Act),- like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Yusuf Ali (Orig. 1938) And Our Command is but a single (Act),- like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Shakir And Our command is but one, as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Wahiduddin Khan We command but once: Our will is done in the twinkling of an eye; zoom
Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar and Our command is not but one as the twinkling of the eye. zoom
T.B.Irving Our command comes only once, in the twinkling of an eye! zoom
The Clear Quran, Dr. Mustafa Khattab Our command is but a single word, done in the blink of an eye. zoom
Safi Kaskas Our command is but one word, like a twinkling of an eye. zoom
[Al-Muntakhab] Thus, Our command to bring into being anything, spiritual animate or inanimate, or to bring into effect any proceedings is but a single act executed instantaneously, like the twinkle of an eye. zoom
[The Monotheist Group] (2011 Edition) And Our commands are done at once with the blink of an eye. zoom
Abdel Haleem when We ordain something it happens at once, in the blink of an eye; zoom
Abdul Majid Daryabadi And Our commandment shall be but one, as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Ahmed Ali And Our command is but one (word) swift as the winking of an eye. zoom
Aisha Bewley Our command is only one word, like the blinking of an eye. zoom
Ali Ünal And Our commanding is not other than a single (command), like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Ali Quli Qara’i and Our command is but a single [word], like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Hamid S. Aziz And Our command is but one, as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali And in no way is Our Command anything except one (Word), as the twinkling of the eye. (Literally: the power of beholding) zoom
Muhammad Sarwar It takes only a single command from Us (to bring the Day of Judgment) and that can be achieved within the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Muhammad Taqi Usmani And (implementation of) Our command is no more than a single act like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Shabbir Ahmed And Our Command is but a single Word, like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Syed Vickar Ahamed And Our Command is but a single (Act)— Like the twinkle of an eye. zoom
Umm Muhammad (Sahih International) And Our command is but one, like a glance of the eye. zoom
Farook Malik We command but once and Our will is done in the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Dr. Munir Munshey Our command (and its execution) is just one, (a single event). It comes about in a flash of an eye. zoom
Dr. Mohammad Tahir-ul-Qadri And Our command comes into action once and for all as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Dr. Kamal Omar And Our Command is not but (just) a single (decree) like a twinkling of the eye. zoom
Talal A. Itani (new translation) And Our command is but once, like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Bilal Muhammad (2013 Edition) And Our command is only a single act, like the blink of an eye. zoom
Maududi Our command consists of only one Word which is carried out in the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Ali Bakhtiari Nejad And Our command is only once, like a blink of an eye. zoom
[The Monotheist Group] (2013 Edition) And Our commands are done at once with the blink of an eye. zoom
Mohammad Shafi And Our Command is just one! Like the twinkling of an eye! zoom
Controversial, deprecated, or status undetermined works
Bijan Moeinian It will take only a twinkle of an eye for My (God’s) command to be fulfilled. zoom
Faridul Haque And Our command is only a fleeting one – like the batting of an eyelid. zoom
Hasan Al-Fatih Qaribullah And Our Order is but one word like the flashing of an eye. zoom
Maulana Muhammad Ali Surely We have created everything according to a measure. zoom
Muhammad Ahmed – Samira And Our order/command (is) except one as/like a twinkling/quick glance with the eye sight. zoom
Sher Ali And Our command is carried out by only one Word as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Rashad Khalifa Our commands are done within the blink of an eye. zoom
Ahmed Raza Khan (Barelvi) And Our work is only a matter as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Amatul Rahman Omar Our command is (at once carried out by) only one (word) as quickly as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Muhsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilali And Our Commandment is but one, as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Non-Muslim and/or Orientalist works
Arthur John Arberry Our commandment is but one word, as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
Edward Henry Palmer and our bidding is but one (word), like the twinkling of an eye! zoom
George Sale And our command is no more than a single word, like the twinkling of an eye. zoom
John Medows Rodwell Our command was but one word, swift as the twinkling of an eye. zoom
N J Dawood (draft) We command but once: Our will is done in the twinkling of an eye. zoom
New and/or Partial Translations, and works in progress
Mir Aneesuddin And Our command is but one, like the twinkling of an eye. zoom

http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/54/50/default.htm

 

“Problems with the Baha’i faith”

May 23, 2017

Paarsurrey wrote:

Which book Bahaullah means here? Kindly give name of the book and the verse with the context verses. Please
Regards

Please click the post  #160 to access the thread at the Forum.
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Note: No Bahai could give the name of a book specifically as requested.

Can we remove the dogma from science?

April 4, 2017

#1 paarsurrey

Please
Regards

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https://www.quora.com/Has-science-become-too-dogmatic

 

Is eulogizing science out of proportion a symptom of scientism rather than science?

April 4, 2017

#1 paarsurrey

Is faith in science out of its limitations a symptom of scientism rather than science? Please
Regards

Muhammad smashed no idols physically. Did he? _________(2)

April 4, 2017

I wrote following post on the above topic in my most cherished discussion forum Religious Forums

Please click the post numbers to get to the discussion:

#730 paarsurrey

The Kaaba was owned:

  1. Equally by Muhammad and the Meccans who were all descendants of Abraham and Ishmael, who had built this worship house for worship of ONE God, Muhammad was even more entitled to it because he wanted to restore it to its original position. Abraham and Ishmael never put any idols in it. Rather than going to other temples and emptying them from the idols , Abraham thought it proper, for peace, to build a house of worship of his own where his progeny could worship ONE God. So, Muhammad had every right to empty it from the idols that were put later on in the house , for which he gave reasonable and brilliant arguments to the Meccans.

Please
Regards

Experiencing God

April 2, 2017

Paarsurrey posts on the above topic, please read the last post first, in the reverse order.

  1. paarsurrey

    Please elaborate. Regards

    Post by: paarsurrey, Yesterday at 11:32 AM in forum: General Religious Debates
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Which God or no-god is Truthful?

April 2, 2017

What is wrong with smashing the idols?
sub-title: Which God or no-god is Truthfu

My most cherished discussion forum Religious Forums

I give here my posts and posts from others, mentioning the post numbers without giving the names of the other persons whose posts I wrote my comments on. Please click the post numbers to get to know the persons.

#705 paarsurrey wrote:

What is wrong with smashing the idols?
sub-title: Which God or no-god is Truthful? (reference post #701 to #703 )

No-God cannot create anything from nothing. Right? Please
The truthful God is ascertained from the attributes of a religion (or no-religion) given in its scripture that are the verities or His attributes reflected in the nature, created by Him. Please
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Is the Scientific Method really Scientific?—-(2)

April 2, 2017

I started a thread on the above topic in my most cherished discussion forum Religious Forums

I give here my posts mentioning the post numbers without giving the names of persons in response to whose posts I wrote my comments. Please click the post numbers to get to know the persons.

#1 paarsurrey, 

Is the Scientific Method really Scientific?
All methods are philosophical so must it be. Please

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#31

Paarsurrey wrote: #31

“a changing gravitational constant”

Is it because it helps the humans to have some perception of the Ever-Eternal-God, His Oneness does not change, is ever-constant , yet His attributes change all the time, so other things created by Him always keep changing/moving/orbiting, cannot stop unless He commands them to stop, and they finish? Please
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