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JWs: “Watchtower studies”

May 28, 2019

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“Watchtower studies”


I am not a Christian. I am Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslim. I attended JW Church many times. I observed that they do not teach Bible in their services but they teach Watch-Tower magazine even if it contradicted with the Bible. I pointed out that to the people and they were upset with this observation of mine. Now one confirms it to me.


“The fact that you will not participate further is disappointing. As I said, if you have a problem with what I said then refute me. If you are right then I will become a Witness again. But unfortunately all you have attempted to do is discredit me without addressing my points and use the ad hominem fallacy, which was unnecessary.”


It is a rational approach.
For Bible study, no teacher is required. When one of my Catholic friends presented me with a Bible (OT and NT), I just started reading it from the Genesis and making notes. It took me three years to finish it as I did it with a lot of concentration. Now, I knew what is exactly in the Bible even more correctly than a priest or clergy would know. Sometimes the teacher take you away from what is exactly written in the Bible. When somebody from the Christians will discuss with me, I pointed out things what exactly was in the text and the context while they could not deny it and just said that they had not thought of it while they had gone through it many times in their life and even their priests did not know about them.
I therefore suggest that one should study Bible intently from Genesis onward without a teacher. One will know more than a teacher could tell. It is easy.



May 12, 2019

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I give here another writing on the “Chola-Sahib” or the “Long-Coat” or the “Holy Robe” of Baba Nanik Ji. It is in Arabic and reads exactly:

Ash-hadu Al-laaa Ilaaha Illa-llaahu Wahdahoo Laa Shareeka Lahoo Wa-Ash-hadu Anna Muhammadan ‘Abduhoo Wa Rasooluhu.

I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah, the One alone, without partner, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger.
This is called Kalima Shahadah in Islam.

No comments needed by me, it is evident. Right, please?

The facsimile of the “Holy Robe” or Chola Sahib of Baba Nanik Ji:


Was Jesus Crucified or Not?

May 12, 2019

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7. God always hears his prayers and his prayers were heard

And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I think thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always. (John 11:41-42)

Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared. (Hebrews 5:7)

Jesus was a pious person so this entails that his prayers would have been/were accepted and he was saved a cursed death (in terms of Torah) on the Cross.
Right, please?



“I believe”?!

May 9, 2019


“I believe”

#216 paarsurrey

I understand that mostly when one starts with these words,it is mostly a blind-faith, and that one is not going to change it even if most reasonable arguments and evidences are given. Right, please?


#237 paarsurrey

One has again used the words “I believe” to start a sentence, hence I have rated one’s post as “funny”, the first ever done by me.I take one’s this post in the same sense as I mentioned in my earlier post #216 .
I don’t mind, it is one’s choice, so be happy, please.



Quran is valid till the end of the world

April 26, 2019

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#147 paarsurrey

Whatever the Hadith/Tradition/Saying etc, it should be understood within the purview of Quran- Word of G-d. And if the Hadith/Tradition/Saying etc is against the verses of Quran, it is either to be rejected forthwith or else interpreted within the scope of Quran.
Quran in itself is complete and needs nothing from elsewhere NT-Bible or OT-Bible or Torah or any other religious scripture or non-religious ones. Quran is valid till the end of the world when everything in the Universe will come to an end:

AYAH ar-Rahman 55:26
Arabic[​IMG] كُلُّ مَنْ عَلَيْهَا فَانٍ [​IMG]
Transliteration[​IMG] Kullu man AAalayha fanin [​IMG]
Transliteration-2 kullu man ʿalayhā fānin [​IMG]
(Word by Word) Everyone who (is) on it (will) perish.

AYAH ar-Rahman 55:27
Arabic[​IMG] وَيَبْقَىٰ وَجْهُ رَبِّكَ ذُو الْجَلَالِ وَالْإِكْرَامِ [​IMG]
Transliteration[​IMG] Wayabqa wajhu rabbika thoo aljalali waal-ikrami [​IMG]
Transliteration-2 wayabqā wajhu rabbika dhū l-jalāli wal-ik’rāmi [​IMG]
(Word by Word) But will remain (the) Face (of) your Lord, (the) Owner (of) Majesty and Honor.
ar-Rahman 55:27



Was Bahaullah a “Bahai”, please? (3)

April 22, 2019

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Aupmanyav said: 


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Please elaborate with references. It is interesting. While reading Iqan, the way Shoghí Effendi dealt with the translation of Iqan, and his excessive use of inverted commas and capitalization of the letters of words or decaptilization of them, not providing references of many traditions and also some verses of Quran and the most important of all not providing the Arabic text of the verses of Quran and giving wrong translations at some places etc, suggested that the “guardian” Shoghí Effendí was a Paul to Bahaullah. May be Abdul Baha was also as one has suggested, but I have not yet read anything from him, please.


The Pagan Christ (3)

April 22, 2019

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sxxxx said: 

#35 paarsurrey

That is too much, and no Letter or Gospel-Book written by Jesus and he was a trained , intelligent and wise Rabbi of Jews.
It speaks a lot. Paul was a dead enemy of the “Sheep” as well the “Sheppard”, he Himself admitted. He employed the technique of “Love and Sales” and harmed them both in another way, when Jesus migrated or took asylum to a peaceful abode in a land of natural fountains a heaven on Earth and died a natural death at the age of about 120 years, leaving wife/s and children. He survived a cursed death on Cross against all odds and refused to be a god and or son-of-god in physical and material sense. Right, please?


Which is “the first, the greatest and mightiest of all books”?

April 15, 2019

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#1 paarsurrey wrote:

Which is “the first, the greatest and mightiest of all books”?

Thread open for all people who belong to a religion or no-religion, please.


Bahaullah writes:

“Gracious God! In His Book, which He hath entitled “Qayyúmu’l-Asmá,”—the first, the greatest and mightiest of all books—He prophesied His own martyrdom. In it is this passage: “O thou Remnant of God! I have sacrificed myself wholly for Thee; I have accepted curses for Thy sake; and have yearned for naught but martyrdom in the path of Thy love. Sufficient Witness unto me is God, the Exalted, the Protector, the Ancient of Days!”

Page 231 Kitab-i-Iqan or the “Book of Certitude” written by Bahaullah.


Did Bahaullah claim that Iqan is Revelation from God?

April 14, 2019

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Post #17paarsurrey wrote:

I have not yet inquired about when did Bahaullah claim/declare about his stations as ascribed to him by the Bahaism people. They have a right to believe or not to believe anything about anybody with or without any arguments, I have no objection to that.

I repeat my humble submission again:

My interest is only in Bahaullah , his claims and the arguments given by him in support of his claims.

I am reading Kitab-e-Iqan by Bahaullah and it occurred to me that Bahaullah does not say in it in clear and unequivocal terms about the things written in this book that these has been revealed on/to him by/from G-d. Right, please?
I will appreciate if somebody gives quotes from Iqan, if I am wrong.



Post #33 paarsurrey wrote:

I asked a simple question and our friend (a Bahai) has given a simple answer confirming “Bahaullah did NOT say in clear terms that, the Book of Iqan is a revelation from God.”

I don’t know as to why other friend could not confirm it.
They may please note it, and if they like it there is no harm in confirming it. Right, please?
No compulsion though.


Bahaullah “Sender of the Messengers”?!!!

April 12, 2019

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Post #94 paarsurrey

“The UHJ cannot change the “original writings” of Baha’u’llah”


I agree with one that UHJ (or Abdul Baha or Shoghí Effendí) cannot change the original writings of Bahaullah.

Courtesy our friend #23 A bahai friend:

Bahaullah proclaimed that in Reality, He was the Author of All previous Religions, and that He had sent all prophets of the Past, thus, He is the One who can explain His own Books that He had previously revealed. I quote Bahaullah:

” …Hearken unto the Call of Husayn[2] Who hath been incarcerated in the Prison Fortress of ’Akká by reason of that which the hands of the heedless have wrought. If one were to question them,[3]“by what reason have ye imprisoned Him?”, they would reply: “Verily, He hath come with a new Shariah and this new Shariah doth not accord with the Law under which we have been. To this matter testifieth our Book which is called the Qur’án, a Book that is from God,[4] the Lord of all mankind. See that which the All-Merciful hath revealed therein: ‘Verily He[5] is the Messenger of God, and the Seal of the Prophets.’”[6]

To this We reply: “Indeed thou speaketh the truth. We do testify that through Him,[7]Messengership[8] and Prophethood[9] have both been sealed and any one claiming after Him this most exalted station is in manifest error.[10] Nevertheless, O Questioner! Hearken unto My voice which sayeth: “Open thine eyes that thou mayest behold the Most Great Beauty,[11] through Whom speaketh the Lord of divine decree. By God! Through Him the ‘Hour’[12] hath appeared, and the ‘Resurrection’[13] hath come to pass, and the ‘Moon’[14]hath been cleft asunder and thou wouldst behold all in a ‘continuing Regeneration’ if thou be of them that possess insight.

“Verily, through His Advent hath come to be fulfilled the Advent about which glad tidings have been given by the Messengers of God from all eternity and there hath come to pass about which God hath revealed in the Qur’án: ‘On that Day they shall all rise before the Lord of mankind.’[15]Truly the Cycle of Prophethood hath been rolled up and He Who hath sent down the Prophets hath come, arrayed with a manifest and perspicuous sovereignty. ….” Unquote
Tablet to Hasan-i-Sháhábadí
That would make Bahaullah “mursil al-rusul” or “Sender of the Messengers”. Right, please?

Though I don’t agree with the understanding of Bahaullah, please.


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