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The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD’S LAW

June 6, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3796082-post1011.html

The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD’S LAW

Bible confirms that it has been corrupted:

Jeremiah – Chapter 8:8-9
8. How do you say, “We are wise, and the Law of the Lord is with us”? Verily, behold it is in vain, he made a false scribes’ pen.
9. Wise men were ashamed, they were broken and caught; behold they rejected the word of the Lord, now what wisdom have they?

Yirmiyahu – Chapter 8 – Tanakh Online – Torah – Bible

http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16005

Regards

The act of Abraham sacrificing his son Ishmael never happened in literal and real terms

May 11, 2014

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/05/08/christian-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-15325

PAARSURREY says:

May 11, 2014 at 7:40 pm
@MAKAGUTU says:May 11, 2014 at 7:02 pm
“Paarsurrey, in the bible, it is recorded that Abe was asked by god to sacrifice his son. By your comment can we say that this retelling of the narrative is not factual or what is your stand?” Unquote

Bible is neither authored by Abraham nor by Moses. Its different books have been authored by anonymous narrators and the scribes. It is not the original Word of God in the original language revealed.

Dreams and visions are always or most often interpret-able.

It only meant that Abraham and his offspring shall have to face hardships in the path of God (Allah Yahweh Tao) and would have to devout their lives; in service of the humanity for its ethical, moral and spiritual uplift.

Abraham and Ishmael were sure about it from their experience with the One-True-God; they knew that the He won’t let them accomplish an unreasonable act; and would bring out reasonable solution of the matter.

And the act of Abraham sacrificing his son Ishmael never happened in literal and real terms.

Abraham and his progeny did devote their lives to the cause of religion and that is how it took place in real terms; and that is what one should focus on.

The matter of as to how to interpret such dreams and visions was settled for all times.

Regards

“What is a True Christian?”

May 1, 2014

I wrote following post on the above topic.

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.ca/2014/04/what-is-true-christian.html#comment-1364125373
paarsurrey
@ Dan Wilkinson

For census purposes it is correct to register anybody who wants to register as a Christian should be done accordingly.
Otherwise those who do not believe in the core teachings of Jesus; they must not morally claim to be Christians. The core teachings of Jesus are as follows:

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Matthew 22:36-40

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22:36-40

The Christians; their 32000+ denominations; they don’t follow Jesus and the core teachings of Jesus; instead of following Jesus, they follow Paul.

Jesus did not believe in Trinity; he did not claim to be a literal and physical god or son of god; all these creeds were invented by Paul, Church and the scribes.

These creeds have got nothing to do with Jesus.

Thanks

Christians need to reform Christianity

April 23, 2014

I have written following comments on Richard Carrier’s “Freethought Blogs”.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/4973#comment-203764

paarsurrey says:
April 23, 2014 at 1:28 pm (awaiting moderation)

“The good thing is that Evangelical Christians tend to be very passionate people and want to believe in something. If they would only put aside the lies, omissions, and distortions promulgated by their own well-paid con-men for a moment and reexamine their worldview in light of what the actual philosophical, scientific, and historical evidence is today, then they, too, would find Christmas worth celebrating…as what it actually is: a once pagan and now secular holiday invented by human beings for their own enjoyment and good. Then they can maybe go one step further and exit their dangerous delusion, and stop hating people and voting to take away their rights or to perpetuate injustices against the disadvantaged, and instead start actually caring about their fellow human beings, and the truth, for a change. Wouldn’t that be a wonderful Christmas present for us all?” Unquote

I agree with you.

The Christians need to reform their religion.

They should disprove the mythical creed invented by Paul, scribes and the Church and follow Jesus and Mary in their true and core teachings and acts.

Let the masses understand life in easy terms please

January 15, 2014

I wrote following post for the benefit of the public at

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2014/01/young-earth-creationists-make-their-point/#comment-1200953312

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paarsurrey @ Captain Cassidy

Quoting your words:

“If there’s no literal Creation, then there can’t be a literal Fall, and from there no literal Original Sin, which means there’s no need for a literal Jesus to die and be apparently risen again. There might not even be a real hell or heaven to threaten or entice people with.” Unquote

Quran here comes to the rescue of the Bible for correct understanding of the things lost its originality due to the manipulation of the scribes of Bible.

Taking the narrative of Adam’s creation as literal is a misunderstanding of the scribes and is wrong. Adam was not the first man created/evolved; man might have evolved in millions of years as science has deciphered it rightly now. Adam and Eve were the first people chosen for the direct Converse with the One-True-God as the words ““[9] And the Lord God called Adam, and said to him: Where art thou?”
It also is the mistake of the eulogizers of science and scientists to take the Word Revealed on Krishna, Moses, Jesus etc as if they were writing text books of science; they never claimed as such.

It is easy for the ordinary/common man to understand the things in nutshell and in a symbolic or poetic way than in terms of the formulas, equations and other difficult terminologies of science; which is the job of Scientist to do and they must do it for the benefit of the human society.
So, please let it be simple. Let the masses understand life in easy terms.

Thanks

God standing on the rock Horeb: understanding Exodus 17:6 OT Bible

June 24, 2013

I wrote following posts on <http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/> under the topic <God spoke “Behold I will stand there before thee, upon the rock Horeb”>; the posts are given below for the viewers of this blog.

(To see the context of a post, please, click the post #; that will take you to the full single view of the post in the forum, and then click the thread topic on the right upper corner, that will take you to the discussion that ensued in the forum.)

Paarsurrey wrote:

#25 #24 #22 #20 #16  #14   #12     #9 #8   #5  #4 #1

#1  Judaism are monotheists, as I understand, and the Christians also claim that they believe in one God, despite their belief in Trinity. Hinduism more so the Santana Dharma or the believers in the Eternal Law are also monotheists, as I understand; so are Zoroastrians and Buddha, as I get it.
How should we perceive Exodus 17:6?

[6] Behold I will stand there before thee, upon the rock Horeb: – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Book Of Exodus Chapter 17

God is not a physical being; what is meant by God standing upon the rock Horeb?

 

#5  I have now made some corrections; is it OK now? Please

 

#8To me; it is essential; all revealed religion are from one source of one true God; whatever the name in the language of the people it originated in. Like Levite has explained; others could also explain it and see their religion in the same light; that makes unity in understanding, in my opinion.

#9 Thanks for explaining for me.

How would you explain Moses parting the sea in two columns with his staff and making way for the Israelites?
(Exodus 14:21-22).

#12  Thanks for your answer.

What is your stance on the following, please?

1. The water of the river became blood. EXODUS 7:17.
2. Moses smites all the borders of Egypt with frogs. EXODUS 8:2.
3. Moses smites the dust of the earth and became lice. EXODUS 8:17.
4. Moses sends a grievous mourner upon the cattle, the Egyptians cattle died but the Israelite did not. EXODUS 9:3. EXODUS 9:6 to 7.
5. Moses smites the Egyptians by the dust of the furnace. EXODUS 9:8.
6. Moses sends rain of hail. EXODUS 9:18.
7. Moses sends the locusts over Egypt. EXODUS 10:14.
8. Moses sends the darkness in all the land of Egypt for 3 days. EXODUS 10:22.
9. GOD said, every first born in the land of Egypt from Pharaoh to the first born of the maidservant, And all first born of the beast. EXODUS 12:29.

#16   Please elaborate the last sentence.

Thanks

#20

Originally Posted by Shermana

And how is the idea of His presence particularly dwelling in the Tabernacle and Temple understood? What is this “Thickening” exactly? Does it imply a greater material manifestation? Can it possibly imply being seen in an actual bodily form?

Paarsurrey said:

It is making God a physical being, in my opinion.

#22

Originally Posted by Shermana

I think so too.

I believe the ancient understanding was in fact that God had a body and could manifest directly in Physical form, that the “likeness” man is made in was 100% literal physical likeness, and the language describing his being and body were in fact literal, and only much later on in Rabbinical thought did this change.

This “Thickening” that Levite speaks of I agree with to a certain point, that it’s about materializing in a physical form even though his being permeats the entire world through his spirit.

Paarsurrey said:

This “thickening” is through an angel; not all by Himself ;one true God has no spirit; all spirits are His creation; He is everywhere with his attributes not with body or spirit.

#24The one true God is attributive; He converses with the human beings through Word revealed, visions and dreams; it is narrators and the scribes mishandling the phenomenon. There is no “thickening” of the one true God, in my opinion.

#25 One could find truth behind the story tellers, erring narrators and the wrong doing scribes, in my opinion.

 

King Ashoka’s title amply proves that up to his times the Buddhists believed in God/s

June 22, 2013

I wrote following posts on <http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/> under the topic <Buddha believed in the Creator God>.

To see the context of a post, please, click the post #; that will take you to the full single view of the post in the forum, and then click the thread topic on the right upper corner, that will take you to the discussion that ensued in the forum.

Paarsurrey wrote:

#49 Buddhist Emperor Ashoka’s title “Beloved one of Gods”.
Emperor Ashoka’s given name was Asoka but he assumed the title Devanampiya Piyadasi which means “Beloved-of-the-Gods, He Who Looks on with Affection.”
Ashoka (ca. 304–232 BC) – also known as Ashoka the Great was an Indian Emperor of the Maurya Dynasty.

His period was prior to the canonization of Buddhist scriptures; and he was a fervent follower of Buddha; under his rule Buddha’s teachings spread far and wide.

His title shows us that he was a Theist; and this clearly hints that the earlier followers of Buddha were believers of Theists; they were not Atheists or Agnostics.

#61 Gospel of Buddha

Buddha says:

“Starting from the simplest forms, the mind rises and falls according to deeds, but the aspirations of a Bodhisatta pursue the straight path of wisdom and righteousness, until they reach perfect enlightenment in the Buddha. Verse-3: Chapter 41-“The Goal”

Paarsurrey comments: I think here “In the Buddha” means in the All-Wise and the All-Light- the one true God, not Buddha himself, if I have correctly understood.

#63 The scribes writing down the scriptures have undermined the true teachings of Buddha in the translations while Buddha’s exact words he spoke, it seems, have not been preserved and have been toned down.

#70 I think it is the Theravada Buddhists who deny most fervently that Buddha was not a Theist and that he did not believe in God.

Theravada Buddhists mostly are from Sri Lanka where Buddhism was brought by son and daughter of Kind Ashoka whom he had sent to Sri Lanka to spread Buddhism.

King Ashoka’s title “Devanampiya Piyadasi” “Beloved-of-the-Gods, He Who Looks On With Affection” amply proves that up to his times the Buddhists believed in God/s.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

The Bible scribes did character assassination of the messenger prophets to attract more people

April 28, 2013

All messengers prophets of the one true God were perfect men; it is the scribes who did character assassination of them and made them like that they were sinful.

Being a perfect man or an innocent man is a pre-requisite of messenger prophet of the one true creator God.

The selection of the one true God or His choosing from among the human beings is never wrong.

In the olden times the narrators would verbally or out of their memory narrate the stories of the religious heroes of their people; to allure more people to their gatherings; they put some drama and scandals or cheap narratives in them to make them more interesting; later when the things were committed to writing these stories got added up.

A little thinking; when one’s read the Bible one discerns it.

There is no historicity of the Christian-God called Jesus

April 13, 2013

There cannot be any historicity of any gods maybe one call them Jesus or Krishna or Buddha or any human being they worship him as god or son of god or whatever other name for a human being they worship.

History is of human beings who live on earth; they are born and they die, so their history is recorded in the pages of time. God is neither born nor does he die, he is immortal; so there is no historicity of Him. When the historians deny any historicity of Jesus, they exactly mean the Christian-God, in my opinion.

As for the Bible (the NT); it is just a book of fiction, in my opinion, compiled by anonymous scribes with an ill-intention of carving a god or son of god out of the thin air. How could NT be a historical source of any much value?

Jesus so of Mary was a real person; not a fictional character; he was a famous prophet messenger to the Israelites. Yes; he existed.

History cannot deny Jesus son of Mary ; both perfect human beings.

One could defend Jesus’ concepts rationally: not of Paul’s

April 11, 2013

Jesus was relegated to the position of non-entity in Christianity as well as in Bible, when Paul usurped the position and introduced a new religion that had nothing to do with what Jesus and Mary believed. Modern “Christianity” is a misnomer; it only presents what Paul and scribes believed.

It was Paul, not Christ, who was the author of the modern Christianity. The person who invented Christianity, must have invented/created the Bible also. It was Paul who was at the helm of affairs of Christianity as well as the Bible. Jesus was an innocent straightforward person; he was not interested and involved in any struggle for power; this was indeed against the Character and psychology of Jesus. So Jesus was not responsible for the contradictions in the statements of the gospel writers; it was Paul.

Jesus of Bible was neither a god of the Christians nor the author of their Bible; it was Paul. Paul was the wolf in sheep’s clothing of which Jesus had warned before he went on self exile from Judea to India.

We can defend the concept of Jesus and Mary very rationally and for that we don’t have to bet or wager or to take chances as put forward by Pascal. We can do it on sure knowledge :

[12:109] Say, ‘This is my way: I call unto Allah on sure knowledge, I and those who follow me. And Holy is Allah; and I am not of those who associate gods with God.’

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=12&verse=108