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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is only a Successor of Muhammad in our times

April 27, 2019

Religious Forums

#656 paarsurrey


One may like to read my post #77,in another thread which is very relevant here.


#660 paarsurrey, 

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is only a Successor of Muhammad in our times. Even Muhammad could make mistakes of understanding and did not have any supernatural powers:

AYAH al-Isra` 17:93
Arabic[​IMG] أَوْ يَكُونَ لَكَ بَيْتٌ مِّن زُخْرُفٍ أَوْ تَرْقَىٰ فِي السَّمَاءِ وَلَن نُّؤْمِنَ لِرُقِيِّكَ حَتَّىٰ تُنَزِّلَ عَلَيْنَا كِتَابًا نَّقْرَؤُهُ قُلْ سُبْحَانَ رَبِّي هَلْ كُنتُ إِلَّا بَشَرًا رَّسُولًا [​IMG]
Transliteration[​IMG] Aw yakoona laka baytun min zukhrufin aw tarqa fee alssama-i walan nu/mina liruqiyyika hattatunazzila AAalayna kitaban naqraohu qul subhana rabbee hal kuntu illabasharan rasoolan
(Word by Word) Or is for you a house of ornament or you ascend into the sky. And never we will believe in your ascension until you bring down to us a book we could read it.” Say, “Glorified (is) my Lord! “What am I but a human, a Messenger.”
Sher Ali[​IMG] `Or, thou have a house of gold or thou ascend up into heaven; and we will not believe in thy ascension until thou send down to us a Book that we can read.’ Say, `Holy is my Lord ! I am but a mortal sent as a Messenger.’
John Medows Rodwell[​IMG] Or thou have a house of gold; or thou mount up into Heaven; nor will we believe in thy mounting up, till thou send down to us a book which we may read.” SAY: Praise be to my Lord! Am I more than a man, an apostle?
al-Isra` 17:93


Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is only a Successor of Muhammad in our times.
Again from G-d:

AYAH ash-Shu`ara` 26:3

Arabic[​IMG] لَعَلَّكَ بَاخِعٌ نَّفْسَكَ أَلَّا يَكُونُوا مُؤْمِنِينَ [​IMG]
Transliteration[​IMG] LaAAallaka bakhiAAun nafsaka alla yakoonoo mu/mineena
(Word by Word) Perhaps you (would) kill yourself* that not they become believers.
Sher Ali[​IMG] Haply thou* wilt grieve thyself to death because they believe not.
George Sale[​IMG] Peradventure thou afflictest thy* self unto death, lest the Meccans become not true believers. [​IMG]
John Medows Rodwell[​IMG] Haply thou wearest thyself* away with grief because they will not believe.
ash-Shu`ara` 26:3

A messenger of G-d has to deliver the message G-d gave him, else, he has not done his duty towards humanity, and in his footsteps, the believers also.
I know one won’t like it.


‎“united against Islamic supremacism”: “Islam’s Golden Rule”‎‎

October 2, 2009

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Author: perceptor1
Notwithstanding the sincerity of Mr. Paarsurrey’s Ahmadist beliefs, it is most likely that the Islamic religion came into existence at least 150 years following the alleged death of Mohammed.

The birth date of the Prophet displays a remarkable range of variance of eighty-five years! Little can be shown about Islamic origins…practically all is hearsay…hadiths…all written at least 150 years after the alleged facts…

Were most of the ‘facts’ simply manufactured by the caliphs as justification for their Holy Arab Empire and their dynasties? I personally believe this is the most likely explanation. First the empire, then the cover story was invented.

True Muslim texts only begin to appear at the beginning of the ninth century (around 822 A.D.), coinciding with the first written Korans, as well as the first written traditional Muslim accounts.

There are no credible source texts extant since the caliphs went around destroying all the evidence from their predecessors and burning it! The al-Maghazi and What we have to prove the origins of Islam is some buildings and coins.

Indeed, it appears that the only secure date anywhere in the whole saga of the origins of Islam is 622 C.E., which has been confirmed from dated coinage as marking the beginning of a new era.

There are many archaeological evidence proving the cover story of Islam was fabricated. As late as 705 A.D. the direction of prayer towards Mecca had not yet been canonized. The quibla (direction of prayer) was still far to the north (southern Palestine?) and not towards Mecca. Official Islam says the qibla was changed in 624, but this assuredly did not occur until after 705 A.D.

In the hundred years following this period, Islam as we know it was created by order of the caliphs. The undecipherable, baffling text of the Koran was hastily thrown together with little apparent editing from a plethora of source texts. Who knows who their authors were? Some of the Koran may have come from Mohammed, but that is a subject for future scholarship to determine.

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Author: perceptor1
Dear Mr. Huntingnasrallah,

The word ‘completion’ was no doubt chosen intentionally to say to Jews and Christian that their faith was ‘incomplete’. (Over 60% of the Koran is composed of attacks on the faith of Jews and Christians.)

The unity (better yet, the ‘Singleness’) of God was the buttress of the opposition to Christianity and to the polytheistic Arab pagans. The Jews already had this, though Mohammed invented the preposterous idea that they worshipped Ezra (Uzayr) as the son of God!

Ezra was one of the greatest opponents of idolatry!

I personally don’t see tawid as the key to understanding Islam…that is part of the package, obviously. The ‘Completion’ of religion (Yo! We have the ALL the truth…we have an order to put you out of business!)is the excuse the caliphs needed for invasion and conquest.

My conclusion is that Islam is an imperial political movement covered by the flimsy veil and justification of the fabricated cover story of religion.

Islam the caliphs’ dynasty at prayer.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend perceptor1‎

Sorry;I don’t agree with your viewpoint with reasons.‎

How did the Caliphs come into power? Caliph means ‎Successor; of whom they were the successors if not of ‎Muhammad:‎

Quran is called a book only because it was a Revelation ‎with systems; otherwise it was Revelation from the Creator ‎of the universe descended on the heart of Muhammad which ‎was committed to the memory by heart and need not be ‎written in paper. Even of all the Books of the world are ‎destroyed or burnt; the Quran would remain intact in the ‎memory of the believers, word for word and letter for ‎letter. This system from the time of Muhammad remains ‎intact. If one wants to verify; one could do it so easily. ‎God to any Mosque of the world; take a written copy of ‎Quran in Arabic; ask the Mosque people of a Qari/Hafiz or ‎reciter of Quran from the memory; he will recite it exactly ‎as the written one is with you. You may testify for ‎yourself; if you have any doubt.‎

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.‎


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad – the man whom God has appointed and sent as Second Coming to expose the Pauline Christianity; the wrong creeds built on Cross

May 19, 2009

Wellwateredgarden says:

Who is ‘The Promised Messiah’ if not Jesus?

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend wellwateredgarden

Thanks you for asking such a valid question.

As I have explained today in another post on my blog; the clever Paul interfered with the truthful accounts of Jesus’ life. He was an enemy of Jesus; when he couldn’t kill Jesus and he learnt that Jesus had slipped away from Judea to India; Paul now wanted to kill Jesus’ teachings, and for that he invented a new philosophy in the name of Jesus. Paul based his new Theological Philosophy in the name of Jesus to allure the faithful into it. He used Jesus’ name as a scapegoat; that Jesus was God, Son of God, Word became flesh who came to die a cursed death on Cross for atonement of the sins; all these things you know.

Paul eulogized Jesus to promote his own philosophy; which had nothing to do with Jesus and Jesus’ teachings. Paul deified poor Jesus who prayed for his own life to God Allah YHWH.

Quran tells us that Jesus was accounted for these foul teachings of his becoming a god. Jesus denied that he ever gave any such teachings himself. Jesus became spiritually disturbed for the wrong teachings ascribed to him and his mother Mary, in his absence, and asked forgiveness from God Allah YHWH in this connection.

Jesus’ spirit desired that this phenomenon should be rectified. Bible misquoted Jesus when it says that Jesus prophesized for his Second Coming, sooner that many of his disciples would be alive, not die, to see him coming. This was a wrong creed of the Bible and the Christians.

All people of Jesus’ time died and Jesus never turned; that is any ample poof that Bible was wrong, you know, since Bible was neither from God nor from Jesus, but from the sinful scribes who knew nothing for sure to tell the people.

The character of the sinful scribes was also doubtful, as they all deserted Jesus and fled away from the scene of Cross, leaving their “Lord Jesus” crying on the Cross. This is enough for their wrongs.

It was Muhammad who clarified the true meaning and purpose of the Second Coming of the Promised Messiah; it would be one of the followers of Muhammad, who would expose the wrong edifice built on Cross. Jesus cursed death on Cross would be exposed and true teachings of Jesus as mentioned in Quran would be established.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 is the name of the man whom God Allah YHWH has appointed and sent for Second Coming to expose the Pauline Christianity. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the man who has been sent as the Promised Messiah. He is the follower of Muhammad and his caliph or the true Successor of Muhammad.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Quran Study for Christian Friends – Page: 1559

May 7, 2009


Jews did not accept Jesus thus they could not avert wrath of God and became deprived for ever of the light of prophet-hood which was the real object of Zechariah’s prayer

Quran Study for Christian Friends – Page:1558

May 5, 2009


Zachariah called upon his lord, crying in secret for a successor

before Abraham was “I am” : a vague statement ascribed to Jesus

February 9, 2009

appolus Says:

Hi , Christians do not believe that Jesus was “a,” god, they believe that He was God Himself. He makes this claim many times in the New Testement, and in fact the Pharisees wanted to kill him for “blasphemy,” because He said that before Abraham was “I am.” The Pharisees knew full well he was claiming to be the great “I am,” and picked up stones to stone Him. Jesus either was who He said He was, or He was a madman. There can be no middle ground of “he was a prophet.”……….Frank

paarsurrey Says:


Just a claim does not make one what one claims. A lamb if claims to be a lion does not make him a lion. He could be symbolic lion among the so many lambs, being courageous; that is acceptable. If that lamb sometimes confronts a lion, then he would realize that his claim was not real.

I can understand that Jesus feared Jews, and rightly so, because they were not good people, only mischief mongers were they. So Jesus conveyed his message in metaphors or symbols.

I wonder whom Jesus-Catholic-god feared when he made just a vague claim “before Abraham was “I am”. Like a All-Powerful God, Jesus should have said I am Jesus your god, the creator of the heaven and earth. Jesus however opted to make a week statement.

I think he was enlightened by God Allah YHWH and in that sense he was also, like so many other Messengers, in the image of God; and in his obedience as a Messenger, God Allah YHWH pleased and in his disobedience God Allah YHWH displeased. So Jesus was, in my opinion, one of the Caliphs or Successors of God as do all other Messengers.

Jesus was nothing more than that in my opinion. Please don’t mind

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Adam and Eve.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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