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Mohammad as a corrective prophet of God

November 8, 2017

This is one aspect of Muhammad’s title “Khatam-un-Nabiyyeen” or Seal of the Prophets by YHVH, with the teachings given to him by Allah in Quran, one could easily see the core original teachings given to any prophet/messenger of God in the past, this is the seal of authentication that Muhammad is. Prophets/Messengers could come after Muhammad under discretion of YHVH but with no new Law, they will follow Muhammad in teachings and his sunnah/acts as authentication from Muhammad. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 is one such prophet/messenger of Allah and valid Successor of Muhammad.

Thread: “Did Paul base creeds on “mystery” or blind-faith?”Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

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[Replying to post 58 by E——–n]

E——–n
I see Mohammad as a corrective prophet of God, ignoring the institution of blood sacrifice altogether, and explicitly stating that “God is not begotten, nor does He beget”. And He has no (literal) Son, but rather He is uniquely One.


Paarsurrey wrote:

This is one aspect of Muhammad’s title “Khatam-un-Nabiyyeen” or Seal of the Prophets by YHVH, with the teachings given to him by Allah in Quran, one could easily see the core original teachings given to any prophet/messenger of God in the past, this is the seal of authentication that Muhammad is. Prophets/Messengers could come after Muhammad under discretion of YHVH but with no new Law, they will follow Muhammad in teachings and his sunnah/acts as authentication from Muhammad. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 is one such prophet/messenger of Allah and valid Successor of Muhammad. Right, please?

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Mohammad as a corrective prophet of God

October 26, 2017

Thread: “Did Paul base creeds on “mystery” or blind-faith? “Forum:
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

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[Replying to post 58 by Elijah John]

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We really differ on this. Whereas Paul may have replicated Jesus teaching on love, he also taught things that Jesus himself never seems to have taught. Things like blood-atoning human sacrifice, and Jesus having a pre-exsiting “first born or all Creation” state of being.

I see Mohammad as a corrective prophet of God, ignoring the institution of blood sacrifice altogether, and explicitly stating that “God is not begotten, nor does He beget”. And He has no (literal) Son, but rather He is uniquely One.

Muslims honor Jesus as a prophet,

Paarsurrey wrote:

I agree with you on all these truths. Christians usually don’t believe in these.
Can you share as to how you happen to come to believe in these concepts? I really appreciate it.

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[Replying to post 58 by Elijah John]

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but where I differ with Islam is their cultural insularity(1), (prayers only in Arabic only (2), the Lunar Calendar etc)(3) their theocratic inclinations (Sharia) (4), and the notion that Mohammad is the final prophet(5). Also, their refusal to acknowledge the name “YHVH” as the name of the God (6) of Abraham.

Also the whole idea of “Jinns”(7) seems strange to me, and a bit superstitious.

Paarsurrey wrote:
cultural insularity

Quran/Islam/Muhammad give no teachings to observe cultural insularity. The followers of Isam avoid “Shirk” making associates of Allah, yet adherents of other religions and even non-religions are to be respected. Islam introduces/advocates no specific culture.

prayers only in Arabic

I understand that in Turkey, some Muslims perform prayers in Turkish or other local languages. There is no restriction on it but we prefer to perform it in Arabic. It is not difficult to learn the translation as the set wording is not lengthy.

Lunar Calendar

The lunar calendar is for the religious events, otherwise, any calendar is OK. And there is a wisdom in it.

theocratic inclinations (Sharia)

Apart from the private affairs in all the secular matters, the law of the land is to be followed, there is a specific commandment in Quran for this.

Mohammad is the final prophet

Final in rank, otherwise in principle prophets could come, but such prophets follow Quran.

the name “YHVH” 

The attributes of God are important, otherwise, any good name of God is acknowledged, if His attributes are the same as of Allah mentioned in Quran.

“Jinns” 

No mythical/superstitious spirits/ghosts/apparitions are in fact in Islam.
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_3.html

This is in brief, more could be discussed, please.
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[Replying to post 58 by Elijah John]

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Other than that, Islam seems a quite Deistic, Monotheistic religion. A frequent refrain in the Qur’an is “These are signs for thinking men”. An appeal to reason, based on the observation of nature.

Islam may not have progressed too far beyond authoritarian and sometimes extremist applications, (as can be seen in many headlines) but in it’s conception it seems quite benevolent and yes, even enlightening.

Paarsurrey wrote:

I appreciate your post.
Regards

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[Replying to post 58 by Elijah John]

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My theological positions: 

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it’s good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

Paarsurrey wrote:

I appreciate and agree with all of your above concepts with minor adjustments, please.
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Muhammad- the man who exercised the greatest influence on the human race

October 18, 2017

A man was born in AD 569 who “exercised the greatest influence upon the human race_____ Mohammed.”

John William Draper, MD “A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe”

http://www.eltwhed.com/vb/showthread.php?61434-

A very interesting site, that provides quotes from the famous intellectual of Europe.

 

“Is Koran a Book of Peace, Not War?”

October 15, 2017

Is Koran a Book of Peace, Not War?
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

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“In order for them* to generate support beyond their small group, they have to latch onto universal symbols, and this is where Islam becomes a target of convenience for them,” says Nyang People combine pieces of verse from the Koran and use it to justify their actions, says Khouj. “But to understand the full meaning of the verse,” he says, “you have to read the one before it, the one after it, maybe five to six verses to get the full picture.” The “full picture” of Islam and the Koran, say Khouj and Nyang, is captured by Chapter 5, Verse 32: “[I]f anyone slew a person—unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land—it would be as if he slew the whole people. And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”

 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/09/0925_TVkoran_2.html
* The terrorists

One may like to read the full article titled “Koran a Book of Peace, Not War, Scholars Say” by Peter Standring, National Geographic Today, September 25, 2001

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“Muhammad abhorred fighting with anyone. Did he?”

October 9, 2017

https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=888732#888732

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Muhammad abhorred fighting with anyone. Did he?
Paarsurrey wrote:


Muhammad under the guidance of Word of God established a most equitable, peaceful and rational society starting from Mecca, Medina and when Mecca became free under his control to the whole of the Arabian Peninsula and of course then in the whole world.
Muhammad abhorred fighting with anyone and he was not trained to fight. Was he, please?
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OOOOOOOOOOOReference Post 24 in the thread “Worship of Mary not Biblical”:
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=888509#888509
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W—-h wrote:
It’s dangerous to see the good in wicked people and more dangerous to try to justify wicked actions because it’s not healthy to support immorality.For instance all criminals would claim to abhor violence but in their situation they had to do it.

But the criminal at least deserves some pity because we did not walk in their shoes. But the one that makes excuses for the criminal deserves far less pity because they are justifying evil.

Right now we have a mass delusion enforced by violence and fear where sane comments about a historical figure are not possible. The West is going to have to choose again between freedom and slavery and it is not clear it has the courage to do so.

We can talk sanely about Ghengis khan or Hitler or napoleon or Cesar or pharoah but not Mohammad. Why is that?


W—-h wrote:

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We can talk sanely about Ghengis khan or Hitler or napoleon or Cesar or pharoah but not Mohammad. Why is that?

Paarsurrey wrote:
One is welcome to talk about Muhammad sanely, no harm, please.
Did one read Quran to know the truth about Muhammad? Quran is the truthful source of important/crucial/salient points about the life events of Muhammad, and it recorded them while these happened as if a live transmission was going on. Right, please?

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Anyone who says the Quran advocates terrorism obviously hasn’t read its lessons on violence
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/islam-muslim-terrorism-islamist-extremism-quran-teaching-violence-meaning-prophet-muhammed-a7676246.html

Muhammad the Prophet

October 22, 2016
https://www.onfaith.co/video/muhammad-the-prophet
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I like it.
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“Religion and the former intellectual capital of the world”

February 24, 2014

I wrote following comments: blog “Enquiries on Atheism” : topic “Religion and the former intellectual capital of the world”; link below:

http://atheistenquiry.org/
http://atheistenquiry.org/2014/02/19/religion-and-the-former-intellectual-capital-of-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-4568

paarsurrey
February 24, 2014 • 4:06 pm

@ ALLALLT
I think you get the phenomenon wrong. Muhammad ;and I don’t deny great personages before him also like Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Socrates and Jesus, they all through Word of Revelation from the One-True-God, opened hearts and minds of the people for love of knowledge and truth and hence there was an explosion of great civilizations through them; later when people lost track of that truthful path revealed on such personages and enunciated by them and concentrated on the worldly and material benefits from the rulers of the time; the treasure of knowledge was lost .

The Search for Muhammad: Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan

August 9, 2013

Paarsurrey says:
The first and most trust-worthy source of life account of Muhammad is Quran; you should have known this.

Futile Democracy

In the British Library sits a collection of Syriac New Testament fragments of manuscript throughout history. Of these, lays a version of the Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Mark, known as Addition 14,461. Scribbled inside the pages, is a note from what is thought to be around the time just after the battle of Gabitha in 636 CE that reads:

“…and in January, they took the word for their lives did [the sons of] Emesa, and many villages were ruined with killing by [the Arabs of] Mụhammad”

– This is the earliest non-Islamic mention of a man named Muhammad, written just four years after his death.

It is without doubt that Islamic literature covering the life, the actions, and words of the Prophet Muhammad, is vast, and along with the Qur’an, the bedrock of Islam. From biographies, to commentaries, to translations and constant reinvention to suit a more…

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This is not my beautiful god…

July 18, 2013

Paarsurrey says:

Quoting a passage from your write-up:
“Those are the facts, they’ve been in the public domain for over thirty years, but as Prof. Ze’ev Herzog of Tel Aviv University observed: “we are witnessing a fascinating phenomenon in that all this is simply ignored by the public.” For now that’s not too surprising, cowards often evade awkward things, and for Yahwehists it’s hard to fathom anything more uncomfortable than admitting there was no supernatural revelation (to anyone, at any time), and that Jesus (if he ever existed, which is doubtful) and Muhammad (who, regrettably, did exist) were both talking through their (un)inspired hats. If this were not the case both characters would have blithely let their audiences in on the little 6th Century secret and straightened out the historical farce once and for all. Neither, of course, did. Both, in fact, named the patriarchs on multiple occasions and by doing so revealed their own bumbling ignorance of basic regional history… a history one would naturally expect god-men to actually know.”
Muhammad existed as you admit; he got Word of Revelation from God called Quran; it exists in verbal form as the name Quran suggests and also in the writing form both supporting one another; without any change.

Thanks

FictionOne need only be measurably literate and mildly curious to know that Yahwehism is beset with such a slew of legitimacy problems that it’s honestly difficult to imagine it surviving (in any coherent form) within educated populations through the second-half of this century. The Patriarchs (Abraham, Jacob and Isaac) never existed, Moses was a legendary character not found in history, the Exodus never happened, there was no military conquest of Canaan, and there was never a 10th Century United Kingdom. Penned by Judean copywriters between the 7th and 5th Centuries BCE (nearly a millenium after its alleged origin) the Pentateuch and Deuteronomistic History of the Nevi’im (including the books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel and much of Kings) is recognised today by even conservative Jewish rabbis to be nothing but a geopolitical work of fiction commissioned to justify a northern land grab after the fall of Mamlekhet Yisra’el (Kingdom of…

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Can a man of Allah (God) come after Muhammad?

May 7, 2013

An interesting topic has been started by Yahyaa Waahid, religion  Sabianism, titled “Another Man of Allah (God) *after* Muhammad (so says hadith)” at a very good religious discussion forum <http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/147593-another-man-allah-god-after-muhammad.html>; I have also contributed some posts to it which I give below.

#2    Paarsurrey said: Hadith was collected 250 / 300 years after Muhammad. Even if a Hadith is stated to be Sahih for the chain of narrators; it is to be seen under the light of some verse/s of Quran, for correct meaning.

Can you quote a verse from Quran that clarifies your point of view? Please

#6  Paarsurrey said:

I give you the verse of Quran under which the Hadith needs to be interpreted:

[24:56] Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them; and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them; and that He will surely give them in exchange security and peace after their fear: They will worship Me, and they will not associate anything with Me. Then whoso is ungrateful after that, they will be the rebellious.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine – Al Islam Online

The one who will come after Muhammad will be a successor of him and will follow Quran and Sunnah; his title name would be Promised Messiah, Jesus and Imam Mahdi.

Muhammad will still remain the top of the messengers’ prophets or seal of prophets.


#21  Paarsurrey said:

I further have to add that Muhammad being a Universal messenger prophet of the one true God, his religion Islam has been perfected so no messenger prophet could come in other local or regional religions as he is the Seal of Prophets so no true reformer from God now would come into them except that who is his successor and who follows Quran and Muhammad’s Sunnah.

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Paarsurrey’s note:

One could therefore make a note that no true prophet messenger has come in any religion after Muhammad; the only who had come is with the title of  the Promised Messiah, Imam Mahdi or the Guided-One the end time reformer for which almost every revealed religion has prophesied.