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I wrote following comments: blog “Enquiries on Atheism” : topic “Religion and the former intellectual capital of the world”; link below:
February 24, 2014 • 4:06 pm
I think you get the phenomenon wrong. Muhammad ;and I don’t deny great personages before him also like Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Socrates and Jesus, they all through Word of Revelation from the One-True-God, opened hearts and minds of the people for love of knowledge and truth and hence there was an explosion of great civilizations through them; later when people lost track of that truthful path revealed on such personages and enunciated by them and concentrated on the worldly and material benefits from the rulers of the time; the treasure of knowledge was lost .
The first and most trust-worthy source of life account of Muhammad is Quran; you should have known this.
In the British Library sits a collection of Syriac New Testament fragments of manuscript throughout history. Of these, lays a version of the Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Mark, known as Addition 14,461. Scribbled inside the pages, is a note from what is thought to be around the time just after the battle of Gabitha in 636 CE that reads:
“…and in January, they took the word for their lives did [the sons of] Emesa, and many villages were ruined with killing by [the Arabs of] Mụhammad”
– This is the earliest non-Islamic mention of a man named Muhammad, written just four years after his death.
It is without doubt that Islamic literature covering the life, the actions, and words of the Prophet Muhammad, is vast, and along with the Qur’an, the bedrock of Islam. From biographies, to commentaries, to translations and constant reinvention to suit a more…
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Quoting a passage from your write-up:
“Those are the facts, they’ve been in the public domain for over thirty years, but as Prof. Ze’ev Herzog of Tel Aviv University observed: “we are witnessing a fascinating phenomenon in that all this is simply ignored by the public.” For now that’s not too surprising, cowards often evade awkward things, and for Yahwehists it’s hard to fathom anything more uncomfortable than admitting there was no supernatural revelation (to anyone, at any time), and that Jesus (if he ever existed, which is doubtful) and Muhammad (who, regrettably, did exist) were both talking through their (un)inspired hats. If this were not the case both characters would have blithely let their audiences in on the little 6th Century secret and straightened out the historical farce once and for all. Neither, of course, did. Both, in fact, named the patriarchs on multiple occasions and by doing so revealed their own bumbling ignorance of basic regional history… a history one would naturally expect god-men to actually know.”
Muhammad existed as you admit; he got Word of Revelation from God called Quran; it exists in verbal form as the name Quran suggests and also in the writing form both supporting one another; without any change.
One need only be measurably literate and mildly curious to know that Yahwehism is beset with such a slew of legitimacy problems that it’s honestly difficult to imagine it surviving (in any coherent form) within educated populations through the second-half of this century. The Patriarchs (Abraham, Jacob and Isaac) never existed, Moses was a legendary character not found in history, the Exodus never happened, there was no military conquest of Canaan, and there was never a 10th Century United Kingdom. Penned by Judean copywriters between the 7th and 5th Centuries BCE (nearly a millenium after its alleged origin) the Pentateuch and Deuteronomistic History of the Nevi’im (including the books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel and much of Kings) is recognised today by even conservative Jewish rabbis to be nothing but a geopolitical work of fiction commissioned to justify a northern land grab after the fall of Mamlekhet Yisra’el (Kingdom of…
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An interesting topic has been started by Yahyaa Waahid, religion Sabianism, titled “Another Man of Allah (God) *after* Muhammad (so says hadith)” at a very good religious discussion forum <http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/147593-another-man-allah-god-after-muhammad.html>; I have also contributed some posts to it which I give below.
#2 Paarsurrey said: Hadith was collected 250 / 300 years after Muhammad. Even if a Hadith is stated to be Sahih for the chain of narrators; it is to be seen under the light of some verse/s of Quran, for correct meaning.
Can you quote a verse from Quran that clarifies your point of view? Please
#6 Paarsurrey said:
I give you the verse of Quran under which the Hadith needs to be interpreted:
[24:56] Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them; and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them; and that He will surely give them in exchange security and peace after their fear: They will worship Me, and they will not associate anything with Me. Then whoso is ungrateful after that, they will be the rebellious.
The one who will come after Muhammad will be a successor of him and will follow Quran and Sunnah; his title name would be Promised Messiah, Jesus and Imam Mahdi.
Muhammad will still remain the top of the messengers’ prophets or seal of prophets.
#21 Paarsurrey said:
I further have to add that Muhammad being a Universal messenger prophet of the one true God, his religion Islam has been perfected so no messenger prophet could come in other local or regional religions as he is the Seal of Prophets so no true reformer from God now would come into them except that who is his successor and who follows Quran and Muhammad’s Sunnah.
One could therefore make a note that no true prophet messenger has come in any religion after Muhammad; the only who had come is with the title of the Promised Messiah, Imam Mahdi or the Guided-One the end time reformer for which almost every revealed religion has prophesied.
Jesus did receive word of Revelation from the one true God; but he neither wrote it down nor did he dictate it to anybody nor he authorized anybody to write it down on his behalf; the whole of NT is an unauthorized book in this respect. I don’t deny that all books of fiction do have some realities within their folds, literally or metaphorically; that is why people do attract to such fictional works, bible could not be an exception to these reasons, I think. I therefore respect it; but truth has to be spoken and unearthed.
Quran is Word of God revealed/descended on the heart of Muhammad under a remarkable natural system, which no other “Book” in this world has ever had; and that also proves that it is not authored by Muhammad; but it is from God Allah YHWH.
I would like to mention the way the Quran was revealed and that would also dispel any doubts in the mind of viewers of this discourse about Quran.The text of none of the sacred Scriptures, claimed to have been revealed before the Quran, has been preserved intact. They all need to be respected though.
I want to quote here something about Quran:
“They have all have been interfered with to such an extent that an
earnest seeker after truth finds it impossible to adopt any of
them as a practical guide for right conduct.
In contrast with
this, the text of the Quran has been preserved intact and every
word of it has come down to us as free from interference and
interpolation as when it was revealed to the Holy Prophet
one thousand four hundred years ago.
The Quran began to be revealed at the outset of the Mission
of the Holy Prophet.
The first revelation, comprising only a
few verses, was received by him in the Hira Cave. Thereafter
the revelation continued till his death. Thus the total period
during which the entire Quran was revealed extended to
We know, on the basis of the testimony of
his contemporaries, that in the beginning revelation came to the
Prophet at intervals and in small bits, but as time passed it
grew both in volume and in frequency till in the last years
of his life it swelled into an almost continuous stream.
One reason for this, among others, was that the teachings contained
in this revelation were altogether novel and it was not easy
for people to grasp their full significance. Therefore the Quran
was revealed in small portions in the beginning. But after
the basic principles of Islam had been fully grasped and it
became comparatively easy for people to understand the teachings
and the topics dealt with in the Quran, the revelation began
to arrive faster and in larger volume.
The object was that all
Muslims should be enabled fully to grasp the teachings of the
Quran. Another reason was that the number of Muslims was
very small in the beginning and, as God intended that the text
of the Quran should be scrupulously preserved and that it
should not become the subject of any doubt, only small portions
were revealed at a time in the beginning and there was always
an interval, sometimes extending to several months, between
the revelation of one group of verses and the next.
In this manner the few Muslims were enabled to commit the whole
revelation to memory, so as to place the matter of the preservation
of the text beyond doubt. When the number of Muslims
began to increase and the safe-guarding and preservation of the
text of the Quran became easier, the revelation began to arrive
Towards the close of the Holy Prophet’s life the number
of Muslims exceeded a hundred thousand and the memorizing
of the Quran became very easy. At that time the revelation
came faster still. By this divine plan the purity of the text of
the Quran was placed beyond doubt.
During the Caliphate of ‘Uthman seven copies of the Quran
were despatched to different parts of the Muslim world and they
in turn became the standard texts from which other copies were
made and thereafter in each generation hundreds of thousands
of people have been in the habit of committing the entire text
of the Quran to memory.
Even the bitterest enemies of Islam
do not allege that any interference with the text of the Quran has
taken place since the time of ‘Uthman. Those who seek to
raise doubts regarding the purity of the text of the Quran direct
their criticism to the period between the death of the Holy
Prophet and the Caliphate of ‘Uthman.
Whenever any portion of the Quran was revealed to the Holy
Prophet, he used to commit it to memory and, as he continuously
recited the Quran from one end to the other, he always
carried the whole of the revealed Quran at all times in his
I think it reasonably explains that the text of the Quran as spoken by God Allah YHWH to Muhammad is secure without any doubt.
Quran mentions the essential accounts of life of Jesus and Mary; so the accounts of the Bible could be checked and purified in its light. Love for all; hatred for none.
One should not accept the contents mentioned above in blind-faith; one should accept them after due search and research.
Gospel of Buddha:
“A middle path, O bhikkhus, avoiding the two extremes, has been discovered by the Tathagata–a path which opens the eyes, and bestows understanding, which leads to peace of mind, to the higher wisdom, to full enlightenment, to Nirvana! “9
Page 69: Chapter XVI. THE SERMON AT BENARES.
[2:144] And thus have We made you an exalted nation, that you may be guardians over men, and the Messenger of God may be a guardian over you. And We did not appoint the Qiblah which thou didst follow, except that We might know him who follows the Messenger of God from him who turns upon his heels. And this is indeed hard, except for those whom Allah has guided. And it does not behove Allah to let your faith go in vain; surely, Allah is Compassionate and Merciful to the people.
The Holy Quran says Wa Kazaleka Jah alnakum Ummatun Wassatun (2:144) We have created you as a people who exercise moderation or you are a people of the middle path.
Hazrat Muhammad (SA) said:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “The deeds of anyone of you will not save you (from the (Hell) Fire).” They said, “Even you (will not be saved by your deeds), O Allah’s Apostle?” He said, “No, even I (will not be saved) unless and until Allah bestows His Mercy on me. Therefore, do good deeds properly, sincerely and moderately, and worship Allah in the forenoon and in the afternoon and during a part of the night, and always adopt a middle, moderate, regular course whereby you will reach your target (Paradise).” (Book #76, Hadith #470)
There is another hadith .The best of the things is in its middle or it is best to exercise moderation in one’s affairs.
Surely Bible does prophesy for coming of Muhammad- the Chief of Prophets of God Allah YHWH.
Deuteronomy 18:15 reads, “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers.”
The above quote mentions that the prophet would be raised from brothers of the Jews; not from amongst the Jews.
The Ishmaelites were the brothers of the Jews; and Muhammad was from the lineage of Ishmael.
In addition to it; the Jews took lineage from the father; and Jesus did not have a Jew as father; so he is not mentioned in Deuteronomy 18:15.
Muslim apologists often argue that the Bible itself predicted the coming of Muhammad. This is usually based on the teaching of Moses in Deuteronomy 18:15, the teaching of Jesus in John 16:5-11, Isaiah 42:9-16, or Song of Solomon 5:16.
In Deuteronomy 18:15, Moses speaks of “a prophet like me” who would come in the future. Christians typically understand this future prophet to be Jesus Christ, especially since John 5:46 records Jesus teaching, “Moses wrote of me.” Muslims seek to interpret this “prophet like me” as a reference to Muhammad. The biggest problem with this interpretation of Muhammad as the prophet is found in the verse itself. Deuteronomy 18:15 reads, “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers.” The future prophet would be “from your brothers,” meaning a fellow Jew from one of the 12 …
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People do accept reason and arguments, ultimately.
Buddha and Muhammad convinced people with reason and arguments; so one should not ignore power of reason and argument.
It’s been said “it is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing which he was never reasoned into.” Thus the power of rhetoric and emotional persuasion.
I wonder if there’s an overlap between being “principled,” and being open to logical arguments against a position one holds. Relatedly, I wonder if those who base their positions on emotion could be fairly described as “unprincipled.” Finally, I wonder how these different approaches to grasping truth relate to the political stances often called “conservative,” “progressive” and “libertarian.”
War and Buddhism
I believe on sound arguments that every Revealed Religion and its founders were all peaceful and peace promoting.
Buddha and Muhammad were one such peace loving religious founders. Due to the current political situation in the world and due to the terrorists it is generally held, though wrongly, that Islam is not peaceful and Buddhism is peaceful.
For a comparison, the root teachings of Quran should be taken into account.
The Buddhists had been at war in the history. Just for record I give one such link: