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Meccans who would not permit freedom of religion to the Muslims

May 6, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-is-islam-so-dangerous.220170/page-30#post-6092971

“The Muslims were first attacked, persecuted, their businesses plundered and livelihood destroyed and some killed during 13 years of persecution in Mecca after which they fled to Abyssinia as refugees and given refuge by the Christian King Negus. The Meccans pursued them to Abyssinia intending to exterminate and commit genocide against the Muslim community. An assassination attempt was also made against Prophet Muhammad but failed.”
“Meccans who would not permit freedom of religion to the Muslims”

#593 paarsurrey

Wonderful summation of the cause and context of the conflict.

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is only a Successor of Muhammad in our times

April 27, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/infallibility.211752/page-33#post-6082955

#656 paarsurrey

Infallibility

One may like to read my post #77,in another thread which is very relevant here.

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#660 paarsurrey, 

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is only a Successor of Muhammad in our times. Even Muhammad could make mistakes of understanding and did not have any supernatural powers:

AYAH al-Isra` 17:93
Arabic[​IMG] أَوْ يَكُونَ لَكَ بَيْتٌ مِّن زُخْرُفٍ أَوْ تَرْقَىٰ فِي السَّمَاءِ وَلَن نُّؤْمِنَ لِرُقِيِّكَ حَتَّىٰ تُنَزِّلَ عَلَيْنَا كِتَابًا نَّقْرَؤُهُ قُلْ سُبْحَانَ رَبِّي هَلْ كُنتُ إِلَّا بَشَرًا رَّسُولًا [​IMG]
Transliteration[​IMG] Aw yakoona laka baytun min zukhrufin aw tarqa fee alssama-i walan nu/mina liruqiyyika hattatunazzila AAalayna kitaban naqraohu qul subhana rabbee hal kuntu illabasharan rasoolan
Literal
(Word by Word) Or is for you a house of ornament or you ascend into the sky. And never we will believe in your ascension until you bring down to us a book we could read it.” Say, “Glorified (is) my Lord! “What am I but a human, a Messenger.”
Sher Ali[​IMG] `Or, thou have a house of gold or thou ascend up into heaven; and we will not believe in thy ascension until thou send down to us a Book that we can read.’ Say, `Holy is my Lord ! I am but a mortal sent as a Messenger.’
John Medows Rodwell[​IMG] Or thou have a house of gold; or thou mount up into Heaven; nor will we believe in thy mounting up, till thou send down to us a book which we may read.” SAY: Praise be to my Lord! Am I more than a man, an apostle?
al-Isra` 17:93

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is only a Successor of Muhammad in our times.
Again from G-d:

AYAH ash-Shu`ara` 26:3

Arabic[​IMG] لَعَلَّكَ بَاخِعٌ نَّفْسَكَ أَلَّا يَكُونُوا مُؤْمِنِينَ [​IMG]
Transliteration[​IMG] LaAAallaka bakhiAAun nafsaka alla yakoonoo mu/mineena
Literal
(Word by Word) Perhaps you (would) kill yourself* that not they become believers.
Sher Ali[​IMG] Haply thou* wilt grieve thyself to death because they believe not.
George Sale[​IMG] Peradventure thou afflictest thy* self unto death, lest the Meccans become not true believers. [​IMG]
John Medows Rodwell[​IMG] Haply thou wearest thyself* away with grief because they will not believe.
ash-Shu`ara` 26:3
*Muhammad

A messenger of G-d has to deliver the message G-d gave him, else, he has not done his duty towards humanity, and in his footsteps, the believers also.
I know one won’t like it.

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“Why I do not think the marriage of A’isha and Muhammad was not wrong”

June 3, 2018

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-i-do-not-think-the-marriage-of-a%E2%80%99isha-and-muhammad-was-not-wrong.208942/#post-5641433

Post #16  paarsurrey 

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Thanks for one’s comments.
Marriage is to take place between adults or when they attain marriageable age* that could be different in different regions/times of the world as per the law of the land, and if there is no specific law in this respect then as per the prevailing customs and traditions in vogue in the society .
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*Several places, including the state of Massachusetts in the United States, allow girls as young as 12 to get married in “exceptional circumstances” with the consent of a judge.
Chart shows the lowest age you can legally get married around the world
You can still get married at 12 in some parts of the US
OOOOOOOOOO
a-Classic Encyclopedia states that: Puberty in hot climate areas is much earlier & faster than that in cold ones. So girls puberty age could reach 8 or 9 years in hot climate areas.

As stated by “Classic Encyclopedia”: [Encyclopedia Britannica, 1911 edition]

“In northern countries males enter upon sexual maturity between the age of fourteen and sixteen, sometimes not much before the eighteenth year, females between twelve and fourteen. In tropical climates puberty is much earlier.”

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Puberty

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-i-do-not-think-the-marriage-of-a%E2%80%99isha-and-muhammad-was-not-wrong.208942/#post-5641433

The Excellent Exemplar – Muhammad

December 1, 2017

 

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Mohammad as a corrective prophet of God

November 8, 2017

This is one aspect of Muhammad’s title “Khatam-un-Nabiyyeen” or Seal of the Prophets by YHVH, with the teachings given to him by Allah in Quran, one could easily see the core original teachings given to any prophet/messenger of God in the past, this is the seal of authentication that Muhammad is. Prophets/Messengers could come after Muhammad under discretion of YHVH but with no new Law, they will follow Muhammad in teachings and his sunnah/acts as authentication from Muhammad. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 is one such prophet/messenger of Allah and valid Successor of Muhammad.

Thread: “Did Paul base creeds on “mystery” or blind-faith?”Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

67: 

[Replying to post 58 by E——–n]

E——–n
I see Mohammad as a corrective prophet of God, ignoring the institution of blood sacrifice altogether, and explicitly stating that “God is not begotten, nor does He beget”. And He has no (literal) Son, but rather He is uniquely One.


Paarsurrey wrote:

This is one aspect of Muhammad’s title “Khatam-un-Nabiyyeen” or Seal of the Prophets by YHVH, with the teachings given to him by Allah in Quran, one could easily see the core original teachings given to any prophet/messenger of God in the past, this is the seal of authentication that Muhammad is. Prophets/Messengers could come after Muhammad under discretion of YHVH but with no new Law, they will follow Muhammad in teachings and his sunnah/acts as authentication from Muhammad. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 is one such prophet/messenger of Allah and valid Successor of Muhammad. Right, please?

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Mohammad as a corrective prophet of God

October 26, 2017

Thread: “Did Paul base creeds on “mystery” or blind-faith? “Forum:
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

 Post 59: 

[Replying to post 58 by Elijah John]

Quote:
We really differ on this. Whereas Paul may have replicated Jesus teaching on love, he also taught things that Jesus himself never seems to have taught. Things like blood-atoning human sacrifice, and Jesus having a pre-exsiting “first born or all Creation” state of being.

I see Mohammad as a corrective prophet of God, ignoring the institution of blood sacrifice altogether, and explicitly stating that “God is not begotten, nor does He beget”. And He has no (literal) Son, but rather He is uniquely One.

Muslims honor Jesus as a prophet,

Paarsurrey wrote:

I agree with you on all these truths. Christians usually don’t believe in these.
Can you share as to how you happen to come to believe in these concepts? I really appreciate it.

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Post 60: 

[Replying to post 58 by Elijah John]

Quote:
but where I differ with Islam is their cultural insularity(1), (prayers only in Arabic only (2), the Lunar Calendar etc)(3) their theocratic inclinations (Sharia) (4), and the notion that Mohammad is the final prophet(5). Also, their refusal to acknowledge the name “YHVH” as the name of the God (6) of Abraham.

Also the whole idea of “Jinns”(7) seems strange to me, and a bit superstitious.

Paarsurrey wrote:
cultural insularity

Quran/Islam/Muhammad give no teachings to observe cultural insularity. The followers of Isam avoid “Shirk” making associates of Allah, yet adherents of other religions and even non-religions are to be respected. Islam introduces/advocates no specific culture.

prayers only in Arabic

I understand that in Turkey, some Muslims perform prayers in Turkish or other local languages. There is no restriction on it but we prefer to perform it in Arabic. It is not difficult to learn the translation as the set wording is not lengthy.

Lunar Calendar

The lunar calendar is for the religious events, otherwise, any calendar is OK. And there is a wisdom in it.

theocratic inclinations (Sharia)

Apart from the private affairs in all the secular matters, the law of the land is to be followed, there is a specific commandment in Quran for this.

Mohammad is the final prophet

Final in rank, otherwise in principle prophets could come, but such prophets follow Quran.

the name “YHVH” 

The attributes of God are important, otherwise, any good name of God is acknowledged, if His attributes are the same as of Allah mentioned in Quran.

“Jinns” 

No mythical/superstitious spirits/ghosts/apparitions are in fact in Islam.
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_5_section_3.html

This is in brief, more could be discussed, please.
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Post 61: 

[Replying to post 58 by Elijah John]

Quote:
Other than that, Islam seems a quite Deistic, Monotheistic religion. A frequent refrain in the Qur’an is “These are signs for thinking men”. An appeal to reason, based on the observation of nature.

Islam may not have progressed too far beyond authoritarian and sometimes extremist applications, (as can be seen in many headlines) but in it’s conception it seems quite benevolent and yes, even enlightening.

Paarsurrey wrote:

I appreciate your post.
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Post 62: 

[Replying to post 58 by Elijah John]

Quote:
My theological positions: 

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it’s good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

Paarsurrey wrote:

I appreciate and agree with all of your above concepts with minor adjustments, please.
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Muhammad- the man who exercised the greatest influence on the human race

October 18, 2017

A man was born in AD 569 who “exercised the greatest influence upon the human race_____ Mohammed.”

John William Draper, MD “A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe”

http://www.eltwhed.com/vb/showthread.php?61434-

A very interesting site, that provides quotes from the famous intellectual of Europe.

 

“Is Koran a Book of Peace, Not War?”

October 15, 2017

Is Koran a Book of Peace, Not War?
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

Paarsurrey wrote:

 Post 1: 
“In order for them* to generate support beyond their small group, they have to latch onto universal symbols, and this is where Islam becomes a target of convenience for them,” says Nyang People combine pieces of verse from the Koran and use it to justify their actions, says Khouj. “But to understand the full meaning of the verse,” he says, “you have to read the one before it, the one after it, maybe five to six verses to get the full picture.” The “full picture” of Islam and the Koran, say Khouj and Nyang, is captured by Chapter 5, Verse 32: “[I]f anyone slew a person—unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land—it would be as if he slew the whole people. And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”

 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/09/0925_TVkoran_2.html
* The terrorists

One may like to read the full article titled “Koran a Book of Peace, Not War, Scholars Say” by Peter Standring, National Geographic Today, September 25, 2001

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“Muhammad abhorred fighting with anyone. Did he?”

October 9, 2017

https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=888732#888732

Post 1: 
Muhammad abhorred fighting with anyone. Did he?
Paarsurrey wrote:


Muhammad under the guidance of Word of God established a most equitable, peaceful and rational society starting from Mecca, Medina and when Mecca became free under his control to the whole of the Arabian Peninsula and of course then in the whole world.
Muhammad abhorred fighting with anyone and he was not trained to fight. Was he, please?
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OOOOOOOOOOOReference Post 24 in the thread “Worship of Mary not Biblical”:
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=888509#888509
Post 5: 
W—-h wrote:
It’s dangerous to see the good in wicked people and more dangerous to try to justify wicked actions because it’s not healthy to support immorality.For instance all criminals would claim to abhor violence but in their situation they had to do it.

But the criminal at least deserves some pity because we did not walk in their shoes. But the one that makes excuses for the criminal deserves far less pity because they are justifying evil.

Right now we have a mass delusion enforced by violence and fear where sane comments about a historical figure are not possible. The West is going to have to choose again between freedom and slavery and it is not clear it has the courage to do so.

We can talk sanely about Ghengis khan or Hitler or napoleon or Cesar or pharoah but not Mohammad. Why is that?


W—-h wrote:

Quote:
We can talk sanely about Ghengis khan or Hitler or napoleon or Cesar or pharoah but not Mohammad. Why is that?

Paarsurrey wrote:
One is welcome to talk about Muhammad sanely, no harm, please.
Did one read Quran to know the truth about Muhammad? Quran is the truthful source of important/crucial/salient points about the life events of Muhammad, and it recorded them while these happened as if a live transmission was going on. Right, please?

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Anyone who says the Quran advocates terrorism obviously hasn’t read its lessons on violence
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/islam-muslim-terrorism-islamist-extremism-quran-teaching-violence-meaning-prophet-muhammed-a7676246.html

Muhammad the Prophet

October 22, 2016
https://www.onfaith.co/video/muhammad-the-prophet
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I like it.
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