Posts Tagged ‘Taoism’

Taoism : Lao-Tzu

May 10, 2014

Lao - Tzu

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_2_section_4.html

ALL CHINESE RELIGIONS are derived from the same ancient source of spiritual and religious experiences of the great Chinese sage prophet Fu Hsi. In the subsequent ages, many a great sage and thinker pondered over the works of Fu Hsi and studied them in-depth. Based on their study they presented to the Chinese people new philosophies, sciences, religions and moral teachings. Among them are King Wan, his son Cheu Kung and Lao-tzu, all held in great esteem by the Chinese people of all ages. The way of life presented by Lao-tzu (6th century BC), a contemporary of Confucius, is known as Taoism.

In Taoism, eternal truth is embodied in a being known as Tao whose attributes are spiritual and holy rather than material. Tao can be aptly defined as a personification of eternal virtues. They are precisely the same attributes as ascribed to God in Islam and other Divinely revealed religions. Taoism teaches man to completely submit to Truth (Tao), and to strive to modulate Tao. Tao is the model, and Taoism is the way to gain nearness to this model.
The same is the treatment in the Holy Quran regarding the relationship between God and man:

The hues of God! And who is more beautiful in hues than God?—and Him alone do we worship. *
In Islam God is described and introduced through His attributes and the goal set for Muslims is to emulate them to modulate their lives. The description of Tao, presented by Lao-tzu, is quite similar to the attributes of God mentioned in the Quran. He writes:

‘The great Tao is vast. He is on the left and He is on the right. All creatures depend upon Him, and the care of them tires Him not. He brings creation to completion, without seeking reward. He provides for all His creation, but requires nothing for Himself, so He may be considered small. All creatures turn to Him for their needs, yet He keeps nothing for Himself, thus He may be named ‘the Supreme’. He does not consider Himself great and because of this He is truly Great.’**

*Translation of 2:139 by the author.
**DAN, L (1969) The Works of Lao Tzyy. Truth and Nature. The World Book Company, Ltd. Taipei, Taiwan, China. Ch.34, p.17

Pages 165-166 “Revelation, Rationality, Knowledge & Truth” by Mirza Tahir Ahmad

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_2_section_4.html

A question from Richard Carrier

May 10, 2014

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/4458#comment-242177

paarsurrey
May 10, 2014 at 12:05 pm (comment awaiting moderation)

@Richard Carrier: May 7, 2014 at 10:40 am

You were in Taoism. What was in Taoism that you were a Taoist?
For what positive arguments in Atheism you converted to it from Taoism?
Please

Regards

Converted from a Christian to Taoism and then to Atheism; under what principled approach?

April 29, 2014

I have asked this question from Richard Carrier:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/4458#comment-215829

paarsurrey
April 29, 2014 at 4:09 am (under moderation)

@Richard Carrier: April 28, 2014 at 9:36 am

I understand that you were born a Methodist Christian and decided to convert to Taoism at a very tender age of 15 years and then converted to Atheism at the age of 21 years.

Under what principled approach you did that on both occasions?

Regards

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I received a response from Richard Carrier that could be viewed at the following link:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/4458#comment-218567

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Attributes of Tao: Attributes of Allah: Divinely revealed religions

March 27, 2014

I would like the viewers of Paarsurrey blog to access the following link to know the context of the dialogue and to form their own independent reasonable opinion:

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/a-reason-to-believe/comment-page-1/#comment-13582

PAARSURREY says:
March 27, 2014 at 6:27 pm

@JOHN ZANDE :March 27, 2014 at 11:52 am
“Tell me, Paar, what are “His attributes,” and how do you know?
NOTE: please don’t say the Qu’ran ” Unquote

I don’t know as to why one has an aversion to Quran.

What harm did it to the Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics/Humanists etc?

Anyway; for the attributes of One-True-God (Allah Tao Yahweh Ahura-Mazda Parmeshawara Eshawara) one may like to read below, no compulsion:

The way of life presented by Lao-tzu (6th century BC), a contemporary of Confucius, is known as Taoism.

In Taoism, eternal truth is embodied in a being known as Tao whose attributes are spiritual and holy rather than material. Tao can be aptly defined as a personification of eternal virtues. They are precisely the same attributes as ascribed to God in Islam and other Divinely revealed religions. Taoism teaches man to completely submit to Truth (Tao), and to strive to modulate Tao. Tao is the model, and Taoism is the way to gain nearness to this model.

The same is the treatment in the Holy Quran regarding the relationship between God and man:

The hues of God! And who is more beautiful in hues than God?—and Him alone do we worship. 2:139
In Islam God is described and introduced through His attributes and the goal set for Muslims is to emulate them to modulate their lives.
The description of Tao, presented by Lao-tzu, is quite similar to the attributes of God mentioned in the Quran. He writes:

‘The great Tao is vast. He is on the left and He is on the right. All creatures depend upon Him, and the care of them tires Him not. He brings creation to completion, without seeking reward. He provides for all His creation, but requires nothing for Himself, so He may be considered small. All creatures turn to Him for their needs, yet He keeps nothing for Himself, thus He may be named ‘the Supreme’. He does not consider Himself great and because of this He is truly Great.’

Again we have another description:

‘Looked for but not visible, such a Being may be colorless. Listened for but not heard, such a Being may be called Silent. Grasped for but not caught, such may be called Concealed. No one can comprehend the ultimate source of these three qualities, but they are found in one Being. Though not luminous yet below Him there is no darkness. Being infinite He cannot be described. All His shapes keep returning to nothingness, thus we can say He is Shapeless; His image is without form. He is beyond comprehension (being the rarest of things). Try to reach His beginning, no beginning can be seen. Seek His end, no end can be perceived. Therefore, follow the ancient ways and improve your present.’
Also, in another verse the description of Tao runs as follows:

‘He is indivisible and His true nature cannot be grasped. All creation originates from Him. He existed before heaven and earth were created. He is One and alone without form or sound. He exists independently without any support. Nothing changes in Him. He is in constant motion, but never tires. He can be called the Begetter of the universe.’

The description of Tao given in the above passages is also found in different verses of the Quran, which when read together, reproduce everything covered by the above quotes. The image of God thus described in the Holy Quran, is summed up by the founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, the late Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) of Qadian (India), in the following words:

‘He is near yet far, distant yet close… He is highest of high, yet it cannot be said that there is anyone below Him farther than He. He is in heaven, but it cannot be said that He is not on Earth. He combines in Himself all the most perfect attributes and manifests the virtues which are truly worthy of praise.’

It is pertinent to note that Chinese philosophy had its roots in religion, but with the passage of time its religious origin was obscured. Its followers adhered to the philosophy itself but thought it unnecessary to have any direct link with the source which had nourished it in the past. Consequently, the image of God was gradually impersonalised and the followers of Tao ceased to cultivate a personal relationship with Him as a Supreme Conscious Living Being.

“Revelation, Rationality, Knowledge & Truth” Mirza Tahir Ahmad
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_2_section_4.html

Regards

PAARSURREY says:
March 27, 2014 at 9:44 pm

@JOHN ZANDE : March 27, 2014 at 11:52 am
“We’ve already proven that Mo” Unquote

When and whence and who proved it?

Please

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/a-reason-to-believe/comment-page-1/#comment-13602

PAARSURREY says:
March 27, 2014 at 9:54 pm

@N℮ÜҐ☼N☮☂℮Ṧ : March 27, 2014 at 8:17 pm
Quote
“even in the coldest day, drops of sweat would fall from his forehead”
“at the moment of inspiration, anxiety pressed upon the Prophet, and his countenance was troubled”
“the muscles between his neck and shoulders were trembling”
Mohammed: “The Revelation is always brought to me by an angel — sometimes the angel appears to me in the shape of a human and speaks to me.” Unquote

Please quote from Quran where this is mentioned.

Will you? Please

Which religion is the most peaceful as well as tolerant in the World?

November 20, 2011

Which religion is the most peaceful as well as tolerant in the World?

There took place an interesting discussion on the above topic, initiated by me, on my favorite discussion forum, the hubpages:

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/86281

I will give here some of the posts to have you a taste of the same.

OP by Paarsurrey:

All the Revealed religions and the persons, messenger and prophets, on whom these religions were revealed by the Creator God were truthful persons. They all were peaceful and tolerant people and always presented their points of view with brilliant reasons and rational arguments.

Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad; all were truthful, peaceful and tolerant persons.

It is a fact that Islam is the most peaceful religion in the world as it respects all the truthful persons like Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus.

Quran the first and the foremost source of guidance for Muslims, whatever the denomination, has no teachings which are not peaceful.

With the advent of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah, this peaceful aspect has been highlighted.
1.Couturepopcafe wrote:
@ OP
it’s Taoism which speaks about the reality that naturally exists prior to and gives rise to all other things. Virtue or the life energy in all things and a sense of morality which constitutes the Way can be found by experiencing the oneness of all things – fulfilling life as one with nature and as one with the inner self. Instead of becoming one with heaven, the goal is to become one with the nature of the universe.
2. Knolyourself wrote:
Equality between people and all things is required for peace.

3. MelissaBarrett wrote:
Jainism is pretty peaceful
4. Anna Marie Bowman
@paarsurrey
How can Islam be the most peaceful religion, when they talk about killing infidels? Buddhism preaches acceptance and peace. True Buddhists don’t believe in killing any living creature. Sounds a lot more peaceful to me.
Even Rastafarians are more peaceful than Islam.

They also preach peace and the sanctity of all life. True Rastafarians are vegetarians.
5. Disappearinghead wrote:
@MelissaBarrett

Yes it (i.e. Jainism) probably has the most peaceful historically.

Its believers literally will not harm a fly.
6.Paarsurrey wrote:

@couturepopcafe

But Laozi did believe in an underlying Tao, Way or One, from which the Heaven and Earth derived. This One transfused everything in the universe from the lowest to the highest.

Maybe Taoism in its present form is not vocal in saying that Laozi believed in the Creator God but I think he believed in ONE.
7. john-doe7 wrote:
Atheism is the One True Peaceful and Truthful Religion.

This is revealed to Us as Truth.

This is the only reasonable rational Truth.

Paarsurrey comments now in the blog:
The Atheists don’t believe that atheism is a religion; they deny it being a religion; so atheism out of the arena.
Atheism doesn’t believe in revelation; so atheism is neither revealed nor it is a religion.
8. Cagsil wrote:
@john-doe7
“Atheism is the One True Peaceful and Truthful Religion.”
You’re funny.
9. aka-dj
@OP

You are a funny man!!!

Some of the most NONpeaceful place in the world today are either majority Muslim, run by Muslim leaders, or in the biggest Muslim region of the planet, the Middle East.
You all claim peace, but all you live out is conflict.

You also debunk the Bible, the Apostles and Christians as being based on lies, and misinformation, and then you call them all truthful here.

Make up your mind!

Either they are TRUTHFUL, or LIERS. But, at least be consistent.
10. Anna Marie Bowman wrote:
How can Islam be the most peaceful religion, when they talk about killing infidels?

Paarsurey@ Anna Marie Bowman

Please quote from Quran, the first and the foremost source of Islam whatever the denomination, with the verses in context to prove your viewpoint that Islam commands to kill infidels in general terms.

Islam does believe in co-existence and tolerance more than any other religion.
11. Anna Marie Bowman wrote:
Buddhism preaches acceptance and peace.

I agree that all revealed religions are peaceful; so are Islam and Buddhism.

Yet (unfortunately) Buddhism has not always separated itself from war. There is historic documentation that in 621 CE monks from the Shaolin Temple of China fought in a battle that helped establish the Tang Dynasty.
In centuries past, the heads of Tibetan Buddhist schools formed strategic alliances with Mongol warlords and reaped benefits from the warlords’ victories.

The links between Zen Buddhism and samurai warrior culture were partly responsible for the shocking collusion of Zen and Japanese militarism in the 1930s and 1940s. For several years a virulent jingoism seized Japanese Zen, and teachings were twisted and corrupted to excuse killing. Zen institutions not only supported Japanese military aggression but raised money to manufacture war planes and weapons.

http://buddhism.about.com/od/basicbuddhistteachings/a/war.htm12. knolyourself wrote:
“Equality between people and all things is required for peace.”
Paarsurrey wrote:
I agree with you.
13. aka-dj

“Except for co-existence with Israel! Right?”

Paarsurrey replied:
Islam does not command to kill the Jews generally.

14. Anna Marie Bowman wrote:
“True Rastafarians are vegetarians.”
Paarsurrey replied:
Every human being should be peaceful.

To be vegetarian does not make one necessarily peaceful.
15. Disappearinghead
“Perhaps not generally, but what about occasionally?”

paarsurrey wrote:
Islam does not command to kill the Jews generally.
Paarsurrey add now in the blog:
If the Jews attack Muslims or break the peace treaty with Muslims and side with the infidels and betray; then of course Muslims have to respond to defend themselves; as Muhammad did in his time; but that is specific for the Jews of Medina in Muhammad’s time.
16. aka-dj wrote:
You also debunk the Bible, the Apostles and Christians as being based on lies, and misinformation, and then you call them all truthful here. Make up your mind! Either they are TRUTHFUL, or LIERS. But, at least be consistent.

Paarsurrey wrote:

I never said they lied; I cannot pronounce them truthful where they erred; after all they were sinful and not innocent people and they acted against the beliefs of innocent Jesus; that aspect should be and need be exposed.

Hubpages is a good discussion site; one could comment there or here in this blog; comments are most welcome.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/86281