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Jesus as a Jew…

April 24, 2019

Blog post # 2226

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“In that view Jesus is not fully God fully man. Didn’t die for sins of the world. Wasn’t raised.” Unquote
#84 paarsurrey

We Muslims specifically Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslim believe in Jesus, Mary, Moses, Adam and Abraham; as also other messengers/prophets of G-d (Bahaullah excluded) and their life accounts because Quran mentions them, strictly as mentioned by Quran. And other narratives (like OT-Torah or NT-Bible and Hadith,Shia or Sunni or any other traditions/sayings) that don’t contradict with Quran.

“In that view Jesus is not fully God fully man. Didn’t die for sins of the world. Wasn’t raised.”

Because that mars the personality and Character of Jesus, making him an imperfect man and god Jesus never was. We cannot, emphasis cannot, believe in such an imperfect god as depicted in NT Bible, please.

Sorry, no disrespect intended to anybody or anybody’s faith. Everybody is entitled to believe in any faith/religion with reason or absolute no reason. They must to continue to believe, as they want and wish to.

Right, please?


“I know that there were thirteen tribes of Israel and Levi was one such tribe.”

#85 paarsurrey

Please name them as Jacob/Israel had only twelve sons. Where does come another one to make them thirteen, please:

Jacob’s twelve sons, named in Genesis, were Reuben, Simeon,LeviJudah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, IssacharZebulun,Joseph, and Benjamin. His only daughter mentioned in Genesis is Dinah. The twelve sons became the progenitors of the “Tribes of Israel”.
Jacob – Wikipedia
Jacob – Wikipedia


Is “Judaism” named by Moses?

October 2, 2017


Post 4: Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:13 pm 

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paarsurrey1 wrote:
Is “Judaism” named by Moses?If not, then why name the religion of Moses as Judaism or its followers as Jews, please?

Avatar JP Cusick Wrote:

The reason for the confusion is based on centuries or millennia of deception and lies about God and about the Bible, and even if some of the confusion were honest mistakes then with a little effort then the mistake could have been discovered and corrected – but no.

The very first place in the Bible where the word “Jews” is used is where the Jews were at war with Israel. ~ 2 Kings 16:6

It is not hard to figure out that the Jews can not be the “Israel” of the Bible when they are at war with the people and Country known as Israel.

The modern Jewish State of Israel would be more accurately named as the Country of Judah, but instead the world is handed the same old lies and deceptions of the past 1,500 (or more) years.

It is not just the Jewish people but also virtually all of Christianity makes the untrue claims that the old Testament is about the Jews when it is about Israel, and the other nonsense that Hebrew means Jewish which it does not, and Moses did not give the name of Judaism to the religion of the Pentateuch.

Jews are sons of Jewish G-d!!!???

June 23, 2015

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Post #76

Paarsurrey wrote:

“The Jews call Ezra a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!” – Q 9:30

I quote the verse with the verses in the context (some preceding and some following the verse in question) to grasp the understanding of the meaning of the verses and their perspective:

[9:25]Surely, Allah had helped you on many a battlefield, and on the Day of Hunain, when your great numbers made you proud, but they availed you nought; and the earth, withallits vastness, became straitened for you,andthen you turned your backs retreating.
[9:26]Then Allah sent down His peace upon His Messenger and upon the believers, and He sent down hosts which you did not see, and He punished those who disbelieved. And this is the reward of the disbelievers.
[9:27]Then will Allah, after that, turn with compassion to whomsoever He pleases; and Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
[9:28]O ye who believe! surely, the idolaters are unclean. So they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year of theirs. And if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you out of His bounty, if He pleases. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.
[9:29]Fight those from among the People of the Book who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared to be unlawful, nor follow the true religion, until they pay the tax withtheir ownhand and acknowledge their subjection.
[9:30]And the Jews say, Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say, the Messiah is the son of Allah; that is what they say with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before them. Allah’s curse be on them! How are they turned away!
[9:31]They have taken their learned men and their monks for lords beside Allah. Andso have they takenthe Messiah, son of Mary. And they were not commanded but to worship the One God. There is no God but He. Too Holy is He for what they associatewith Him!
[9:32]They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths; but Allah will permit nothing except that He will perfect His light, though the disbelievers may dislikeit.
[9:33]He it is Who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He may make it prevail over everyotherreligion, even though the idolaters may dislikeit.
[9:34]O ye who believe! surely, many of the priests and monks devour the wealth of men by false means and turnmenaway from the way of Allah. And those who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah — give to them the tidings of a painful punishment,
[9:35]On the day when it shall be made hot in the fire of Hell, and their foreheads and their sides and their backs shall be branded therewithand it shall be said to them: ‘This is what you treasured up for yourselves; so now taste what you used to treasure up.’

Do you endorse what Quran has told about the Christians “and the Christians say, the Messiah is the son of Allah”?

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Judaism: Book of Exodus neither written by Moses nor dictated by him

May 30, 2015

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Post #5

Paarsurrey wrote:

So many mights for a “holy scripture” make it a bad scripture.
Am I right?


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Judaism : Narrators/scribes/clergy have played havoc with the Torah

May 28, 2015

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Paarsurrey wrote:

I am presenting the essence of the truth; the scripture only has the remnants of the Word Revealed on Moses, otherwise it is neither written by Moses nor dictated by Moses. The narrators/scribes/clergy have played havoc with the scriptures.


The Jewry of the time of Moses was summoned at the foot of the Mountain not to reward them.

May 27, 2015

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Post #162

Paarsurrey wrote:

It is a wrong concept that Jews were any chosen people if they did wrong.

The Jewry of the time of Moses was summoned at the foot of the Mountain not to reward them. YHWH was not happy with them but to show them His displeasure.

Exodus 16:2
1 Then they set out from Elim, and all the congregation of the sons of Israel came to the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departure from the land of Egypt. 2 The whole congregation of the sons of Israel grumbled against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness. 3 The sons of Israel said to them, “Would that we had died by the LORD’S hand in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the pots of meat, when we ate bread to the full; for you have brought us out into this wilderness to kill this whole assembly with hunger.”…

The Jews were not worthy of direct converse with YHWH.

The present Jews should understand and ask forgiveness of YHWH.


Did G-d have direct conversation with the Jewry?

May 26, 2015

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Post #155

Friend Tumah quoted Deuteronomy – Chapter 4:12 to prove that G-d spoke directly to the Israelite nation as a whole.

Deuteronomy does not supersede the points given in Exodus. Deuteronomy cannot change the event as narrated in Exodus, as the event was just happening at that time. Deuteronomy was exhortation addresses of what had already happened.

The points mentioned by me about Exodus Chapters 19, 20 in my post # 21 <Judaism: no mass revelation of G-d with Jews mentioned in Exodus Chapter 19 and 20 | Page 2 |>, therefore, remain still valid.

The text of the chapters 19,20 of Exodus indicates that:
• neither the people went up the mountain (only Moses and Aaron went as per the text) none other went,
• nor YHWH descended to the masses to talk with them directly,
• the masses were afraid of the YHWH lest He wreaks at them. (What chosen people they , the Jews, claim to be?)
• there was a barricade for the Jews, they could no cross it.
• The conversation was between YHWH and Moses in direct manner up at the mountain.
• It is therefore evident that the communication was indirectly conveyed to masses by Moses.

That proves my point.

Moses wanted to save the Jewish people from the iniquities they could perform in future. The Jews disobeyed Moses and as a people acted against the commandments given to them through Moses by God as mentioned in Deuteronomy.
Instead of being a select people, the Jews became the worst people.

This chapter four of Deuteronomy served as a future charge-sheet given to the Jews by Moses himself.


Judaism viz ” argument of cause and effect”

May 22, 2015

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Post #55

Paarsurrey wrote:

The Tibetan Buddhist monk Matthieu Ricard has wrongly understood the truthful fact about our G-d. Please give the claim from the scripture of the religion he believes in and the argument given by the scripture if he believes in a living scripture.
What do you understand about YHWH in this respect from Torah? Please quote from Torah with the argument given by Torah itself if it is a living book.
I respect you both and and your religions, yet we have to explore the truth.



May 18, 2015
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paarsurrey said:
Did Jesus say it? Please (Since you are a Christian)

Paarsurrey wrote:

You see even in Hebrew the image of truth is beautiful.

Please quote from Jesus.


roger1440 said:

“The short answer is because the Jews are taught God’s law is truth

“Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true.” (Psalm 119:142)”

Paarsurrey wrote:

Sorry, for sure, I asked because you quoted from Psalm which is not a book of Law in Jews as I undersand. Jewish Law is in the first five books of the OT, as you know.
If it is the absolute truth, then one should have been a Jew instead of being a Christian.
Please correct me if I am wrong. You don’t have to answer if it would be beyond the scope of this thread.


You got me wrong. I was testing nobody.

  • The quote given by you above does not state that Judaism or Jews are righteous or truthful.

“The short answer is because the Jews are taught God’s law is truth“Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true.” (Psalm 119:142)”

Please quote from Jesus.


Moses did not found Judaism and name it

May 15, 2015

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Paarsurrey wrote:

Moses did not found Judaism and name it as such, he also did not name his followers as Jews.

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