Posts Tagged ‘hell’

Hell is not permanent, it is like a hospital

April 30, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-i-could-never-be-a-christian-or-muslim.220091/page-5#post-6085991

#91 paarsurrey

Islam/Quran/Muhammad mention that Hell is for the treatments of those who will go into it.
The torture* is the self-doing of the sinner. If one jumps from a multi-story building and gets hurt it is one’s own doing.

Regards

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*[9:70]اَلَمۡ یَاۡتِہِمۡ نَبَاُ الَّذِیۡنَ مِنۡ قَبۡلِہِمۡ قَوۡمِ نُوۡحٍ وَّ عَادٍ وَّ ثَمُوۡدَ ۬ۙ وَ قَوۡمِ اِبۡرٰہِیۡمَ وَ اَصۡحٰبِ مَدۡیَنَ وَ الۡمُؤۡتَفِکٰتِ ؕ اَتَتۡہُمۡ رُسُلُہُمۡ بِالۡبَیِّنٰتِ ۚ فَمَا کَانَ اللّٰہُ لِیَظۡلِمَہُمۡ وَ لٰکِنۡ کَانُوۡۤا اَنۡفُسَہُمۡ یَظۡلِمُوۡنَ

Has not the story reached them of those before them — the people of Noah, ‘Ad, and Thamud, and the people of Abraham, and the dwellers of Midian, and the cities which were overthrown? Their Messengers came to them with clear Signs. So Allah would not wrong them, but they wronged themselves.
The Holy Quran – Chapter: 9: At-Taubah
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*It is mentioned about 10 or more times in Quran.

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-i-could-never-be-a-christian-or-muslim.220091/page-5#post-6086185

#94 paarsurrey

A marvelous post.
Regards

One-True-God; He is the Gracious the Merciful; very truly

March 19, 2014

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/the-omnimalevolent-creator-and-the-problem-of-good/
http://findingtruth.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/the-omnimalevolent-creator-and-the-problem-of-good/
http://findingtruth.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/the-omnimalevolent-creator-and-the-problem-of-good/#comment-8801

paarsurrey
March 19, 2014 at 5:14 pm

@Nate : March 12, 2014 at 9:30 am

Hi

“The problem this creates for Christianity, which is what eSell was saying, is that the Bible has set bounds for God: all-good, all-knowing, all-powerful, wants all to be saved, etc. These characteristics run completely counter to the world we see around us.”

The concept of the attributes of the One-True-God is in line with what, I think, you have described.
Over all He is the *Gracious the *Merciful and hence the introductory verse in the beginning of Quran has been repeated in the start of almost every chapter of Quran.

*[1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=1

And He has set scheme of evolution in such a way that life is meant to receive due rewards from Him if one does positive or good deeds, else one suffers. He mention that “He has taken upon Himself to show **mercy”.

**[6:13] Say, ‘To whom belongs what is in the heavens and the earth?’ Say, ‘To Allah.’ He has taken upon Himself to show mercy. He will certainly continue to assemble you till the Day of Resurrection. There is no doubt in it. Those who ruin their souls will not believe.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=6&verse=12

As the One-True-God bestowed consciousness or life to us drawing it out from death (annihilation or from a state of non-being to the state of a being); as a shadow of his unblemished attributes; if we sin due to temptation, we have to suffer.

The reward being everlasting (Heaven) the punishment (hell) is relatively also for a long time. The shadow or the evil temptation has been named as Devil or Satan for our understanding. Like we humans name typhoons. Everybody knows that a typhoon or a cyclone is not a living being; if I have correctly understood.

How is a typhoon named?
http://www.cwb.gov.tw/V7e/knowledge/encyclopedia/ty005.htm

One may like to read the following essay on “The Question of Suffering” by Mirza Tahir Ahmad

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_2_section_6.html

Many of the attributes of the One-True-God (Allah Yahweh Ahura-Mazda Parmeshawara Ishawara) are therefore expressed in reciprocals for our understanding. All work within the bigger circle of The Gracious and The Merciful; with perfect cohesion.

Thanks and regards

Quran: To understand a verse correctly; the verses in the context also must be referred

February 1, 2014

I have written comment on the “Random thoughts” blog at the topic “Knowing the mind of god”:

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/knowing-the-mind-of-god/

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/knowing-the-mind-of-god/#comment-11085

paarsurrey says:
February 2, 2014 at 01:20

@ Ron : Jan 30, 7:38 am

Quote :“Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is Allah.s curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind; They will abide therein: Their penalty will not be lightened, nor will respite be their (lot). (2:161-162)” Unquote

Paarsurrey says:

To understand a verse correctly; one should read it together with the verses in the context:

[2:160] Those who conceal what We have sent down of Signs and guidance after We have made it clear for the people in the Book, it is these whom Allah curses; and so curse them those who curse.
[2:161] But they who repent and amend and openly declare the truth, it is these to whom I turn with forgiveness, and I am Oft-Returning with compassion and Merciful.
[2:162] Those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, on them shall be the curse of Allah and of angels and of men all together.
[2:163] They shall remain under it. The punishment shall not be lightened for them, nor shall they be granted respite.
[2:164] And your God is One God; there is no God but He, the Gracious, the Merciful.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=2&verse=160

Please see the sentence [2:160] “We have made it clear for the people in the Book”; the verse is not in general for the non-believers; it is specific here for the people of the book or the Jews and Christians (called people of the book in Quran); so it is not for the Atheists here.

Hope that helps.

Thanks

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/knowing-the-mind-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-11258

Hell is not eternal; it is like a hospital where sins get cured

January 29, 2014

Please view the following comments with the comments in the context:

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/knowing-the-mind-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-11069

paarsurrey says:
January 29, 2014 at 19:40
We understand from Quran/Islam/Muhammad that hell is not eternal; it is like a hospital where they get cured from their sins.

makagutu says:
January 29, 2014 at 20:57
it is like a hospital where they get cured from their sins.
How do you even entertain such a thought in your head?
Reply
paarsurrey says:
January 29, 2014 at 21:30
@ makagutu
It is not my thought; we believe it on the basis of Quran/Islam/Muhammad.
Please read the following Q&A:
Q How long will a person remain in Heaven or Hell?
A Paradise is ever lasting.
Hell is like a hospital where patients are kept for a limited time to be cured of their spiritual ailments. They would be transferred to Heaven after having been cured of their spiritual diseases. Hell is thus for a limited period of time.
http://www.alislam.org/books/my-relig/part2.html

paarsurrey says:
January 30, 2014 at 00:24
@ makagutu :January 29, 2014 at 22:36
“Please read the following questions
1. When did heaven and hell come to be?
2. Why were they necessary?
3. Where are they?”
Answers:
1. The concept of Heaven and the Hell came into exist when the One-True-God willed to create man.
2. The concept of Junnah (or heaven) came into existence to reward those who do good deed; and hell is its opposite pole.
3. These are spiritual concepts (not material) and hence don’t require any place in the Universe.
For further information, please:
http://www.alislam.org/library/links/00000017.html

Let the masses understand life in easy terms please

January 15, 2014

I wrote following post for the benefit of the public at

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2014/01/young-earth-creationists-make-their-point/#comment-1200953312

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paarsurrey @ Captain Cassidy

Quoting your words:

“If there’s no literal Creation, then there can’t be a literal Fall, and from there no literal Original Sin, which means there’s no need for a literal Jesus to die and be apparently risen again. There might not even be a real hell or heaven to threaten or entice people with.” Unquote

Quran here comes to the rescue of the Bible for correct understanding of the things lost its originality due to the manipulation of the scribes of Bible.

Taking the narrative of Adam’s creation as literal is a misunderstanding of the scribes and is wrong. Adam was not the first man created/evolved; man might have evolved in millions of years as science has deciphered it rightly now. Adam and Eve were the first people chosen for the direct Converse with the One-True-God as the words ““[9] And the Lord God called Adam, and said to him: Where art thou?”
It also is the mistake of the eulogizers of science and scientists to take the Word Revealed on Krishna, Moses, Jesus etc as if they were writing text books of science; they never claimed as such.

It is easy for the ordinary/common man to understand the things in nutshell and in a symbolic or poetic way than in terms of the formulas, equations and other difficult terminologies of science; which is the job of Scientist to do and they must do it for the benefit of the human society.
So, please let it be simple. Let the masses understand life in easy terms.

Thanks

To those who would like to gladly jump into the hell

July 1, 2013

I wrote posts on <http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/> under the thread <  The true religion invites comparison >. Sometime there are some off topic discussions also; here is one such instance. I give below some such posts on the topic of this post for the viewers of this blog.

(To see the context of a post, please, click the post #; that will take you to the full single view of the post in the forum, and then click the thread topic on the right upper corner, that will take you to the discussion that ensued in the forum.)

Paarsurrey wrote:

#102

Originally Posted by Philomath Omnist

Any god that offers hell (or some version of it) won’t have to toss me into it….I’ll gladly jump into it. I’d rather burn than worship a tyrant.

Paarsurrey wrote: What do you mean? Please elaborate.

#103

Originally Posted by paarsurrey

What do you mean? Please elaborate.

Philomath Omnist  wrote: Any god that offers hell, eternal punishment or anything akin to that, because of lack of belief in that diety or based off of finite actions won’t have to throw me into hell; I’ll gladly jump in.

#104

Originally Posted by Philomath

Any god that offers hell, eternal punishment or anything akin to that, because of lack of beflief in that diety or based off of finite actions won’t have to throw me into hell; I’ll gladly jump in.

Paarsurrey wrote: The one true God offers heaven; if one does not struggle for heaven; one gets abode in hell of one’s own choice

#110

Originally Posted by paarsurrey

The one true God offers heaven; if one does not struggle for heaven; one gets abode in hell of one’s own choice.

Philomath Omnist wrote: I’m not interested in heaven.

#112

Originally Posted by Philomath

I’m not interested in heaven.

Paarsurrey wrote : Nobody pushes one into it.

#114

Originally Posted by Philomath

Well that’s good lol. I have no interest in hell or heaven when I die I’d just like to remain dead.

Paarsurrey wrote: When one dies; then one cannot control one’s likes or dislikes; it is in the hands of the one who has bestowed life to every one of us.

I can only wish good luck to one.

#115

Originally Posted by paarsurrey

When one dies; then one cannot control one’s likes or dislikes; it is in the hands of the one who has bestowed life to every one of us.

I can only wish good luck to one.

Paarsurrey wrote: Thanks for the luck I guess, but there’s no evidence anything does happen after death.

Originally Posted by Philomath

Thanks for the luck I guess, but there’s no evidence anything does happen after death.

Paarsurrey wrote: Since nobody has returned to life after death; so the sort of evidence one wants is not on the table and will never be.

#117

Originally Posted by Paarsurrey

Since nobody has returned to life after death; so the sort of evidence one wants is not on the table and will never be.

Philomath wrote:Yep, and therefore I think no one will ever be able to truly know what does or doesn’t happen.

“Hell is their own making”: Buddha

April 13, 2013

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The Atheists Agnostics extol Buddha as if he was one of them and he did not believe in heaven or hell.

That is not the case. It is one’s good deeds or bad deeds that make a hell or heaven for an individual.

Gospel of Buddha

“The Bodhisatta, having put Mara to flight, gave himself up to meditation. All the miseries of the world, the evils produced by evil deeds and the sufferings arising there-from, passed before his mental eye, and he thought: 1
“Surely if living creatures saw the results of all their evil deeds, they would turn away from them in disgust. But selfhood blinds them, and they cling to their obnoxious desires. 2
“They crave pleasure for themselves and they cause pain to others; when death destroys their individuality, they find no peace; their thirst for existence abides and their selfhood reappears in new births. 3
“Thus they continue to move in the coil and can find no escape from the hell of their own making. And how empty are their pleasures, how vain are their endeavors! Hollow like the plantain-tree and without contents like the bubble. 4”

Page 60: Chapter XII. ENLIGHTENMENT Gospel of Buddha

The one true God has created both the hell and the heaven; and under a set principle of the one true God, one goes to the one an individual deserves.

Doors of heaven are wide open

March 23, 2013

open door

The first chapter of Quran makes doors of heaven open for everybody.

[1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
[1:3] The Gracious, the Merciful,
[1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1:5] Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help.
[1:6] Guide us in the right path —
[1:7] The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=1

Paarsurrey‘s understanding:

1. The “Opener” or the “key” chapter introduces to the whole humanity with the one true creator God; who is all loving, gracious and most merciful, without blemish; and who is not a revengeful being with blemish.
2. Heaven is with Him for everybody and He is its Master; he does not have to consult with anybody to give one a favor for which one is entitled or to deprive one from a favor that one does not deserve; it is in His sole discretion to decide with justice; he knows hidden in the hearts of everybody.
3. To enter into heaven one has to pray to Him and to seek His assistance from Him that one could be one like Him; in such attributes that are possible for one to inculcate in one’s self and to acquire them with effort.
4. The easiest way in this regard for one is to follow those perfect persons- men who had been chosen by the one true Creator God from time to time in all parts of the world.
5. Besides the above, the other way is that one does not make ideal such persons who purposely went wrong and were cruel instead of being merciful, kind and loving sincerely.
6. And also not to follow those who went on the wrong path.

So, the doors of heaven are wide open; one need not go to hell.

Heaven is eternal and everlasting; hell is not, relatively

March 18, 2013

GaryWhite Said:

Please see his comments on my post:
https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/buddha-thought-hell-is-ones-own-making/#comments

“Buddhist hell is really an interesting topic. Specifically the Japanese Buddhists believed that there were different layers of hell that you went to depending on how bad you were. There was one layer that you just sat in puss, another layer you would get chopped up and eaten by devils. In the case of the demon eaters (which is what they were called) the demons were also in hell. According to Buddhists in Japan hell was not eternal and it was possible to work of your evil deeds in hell and ascend to heaven.

paarsurrey Says:

The founders of a revealed religion who had a Converse with the one true creator God and received Word of Revelation from Him like Buddha, their follower, split in a score of denominations; the followers don’t necessarily believe what the founders believed in.

Buddha’s concept of hell as I quoted from him is very reasonable that is the reason of its being similar to as per Quran. The similarities of revealed religions, if seen closely, denote that they were from the same source i.e., from the one true creator God.

The differences of denominations indicate to us the history as to how their followers changed the teachings of the original founder. Buddha’s teachings either have been misunderstood by their followers or decayed due to the time factor.
It is also reasonable to believe that hell is not eternal in the same sense as heaven is eternal; hell is like a hospital where the wrong-doers will get opportunity to get cured from their sins or wrong thoughts; and ultimately its inmates will come out like a child comes out the womb of a mother when it is due to be delivered.

Quran also gives us a hint on it:

[101:7] Then, as for him whose scales are heavy,
[101:8] He will have a pleasant life.
[101:9] But as for him whose scales are light,
[101:10] Hell will be his nursing mother.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=101&verse=0

Buddha thought: “Hell is one’s own making”

March 18, 2013

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Gospel of Buddha Chapter XII. ENLIGHTENMENT.

“Surely if living creatures saw the results of all their evil deeds, they would turn away from them in disgust. But selfhood blinds them, and they cling to their obnoxious desires.” 2

“They crave pleasure for themselves and they cause pain to others; when death destroys their individuality, they find no peace; their thirst for existence abides and their selfhood reappears in new births.” 3

“Thus they continue to move in the coil and can find no escape from the hell of their own making. And how empty are their pleasures, how vain are their endeavors! Hollow like the plantain-tree and without contents like the bubble.” 4

Page-39
http://www.arthursbookshelf.com/Buddhism/The%20Gospel%20of%20Buddha%20-%20Paul%20Carus.pdf

Paarsurrey says:

I think it is to similiar what is mentioned in Quran:

[3:118] The likeness of what they spend for the present life is as the likeness of a wind wherein there is intense cold which smites the harvest of a people who have wronged themselves, and destroys it. And Allah has not wronged them, but they wrong themselves.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=3&verse=117