Posts Tagged ‘Tree of Life’

From where did the “wives” of Cain and Abel come?

November 14, 2019

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/from-where-did-the-wives-of-cain-and-abel-come.227112/

From where did the “wives” of Cain and Abel come?

Adam was not the first human being, he got evolved in million of years his tribe along-with other tribes. Yes, Adam was was the first human being with whom G-d conversed directly.
Shujra*/Tree of life** or family tree*** or the tree of the knowledge [of good and evil (Hebrew: עֵץ הַדַּעַת)].*~and or simple social codes of Adam*^ was some people of some tribe from whom Adam was warned not to have any social links as they were disruptive/rowdy/troublesome/trouble-making/disorderly people.
No problem for wedding of Adam or his sons etc. Right, please?

Regards
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*Quran
**”The tree of life (Hebrew: עֵץ הַחַיִּים Tiberian‘êṣ ha-ḥayyîmStandardEtz haChayim)[1] is a term mentioned in the Hebrew Bible.
In the Book of Genesis, the tree of life is first described in chapter 2, verse 9 .”
Tree of life (biblical) – Wikipedia
*** “A family tree, or pedigree chart, is a chart representing family relationships in a conventional tree structure. The more detailed family trees used in medicine and social work are known as genograms.” Wikipedia
*~The tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Hebrew: עֵץ הַדַּעַת).
Tree of life (biblical) – Wikipedia
*^ “Âdam or Aadam (Arabic: آدم‎, romanizedʾĀdam) is believed to have been the first human and nabi (Arabic: نَـبِي‎, prophet) on Earth, in Islam.[1] Adam’s role as the father of the human race is looked upon by Muslims with reverence. Muslims also refer to his wife, Haawa (Arabic: حَـواء‎, Eve), as the “mother of mankind”.[2] Muslims see Adam as the first Muslim on Earth, as the Quran states that all the Prophets preached the same faith of Islam (Arabic: إِسـلام‎, ‘Submission‘ (to God)).[3]
In the Qur’an Adam is given the name by God known as the (Adam-I-Safi) or The Chosen One.[4][5]
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Adam was on earth, God taught him how to plant seeds and bake bread. This was to become the way of all of Adam’s children.[12]
Adam in Islam – Wikipedia

Are Christians cut-off from the Tree of Life?

March 22, 2014

http://fidedubitandum.wordpress.com/2014/03/19/only-the-worst-positions-allowed/#comment-3758

paarsurrey
March 21st, 2014 at 7:40 pm

@john zande :March 21st, 2014 at 6:27 am
“Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.”Unquote

I want to share an incident with friends here.

Quite sometimes ago two JWs persons came to my house and told me that there had been no change in the Bible, it is impossible and opened before me the above two passage of Revelation 22:18-19 from the Urdu Protestant Bible (later I came to know that JWs don’t had their own Urdu JW’s Bible at that time, and hence they preferred to follow Protestant Version and not the Catholic Version).

Incidentally I had a Catholic Urdu Bible with me which I was studying very intently, and I was much impressed by its contents.

I brought that and put that on the table. I said let us check both the versions, I did not know as to what the result would be. So we started checking the list of books given in the beginning.

We came to know that there were some six books in the Catholic Urdu OT Bible which were not to be found in the Protestant Bible.

They (the JWs) became pale and upset and went away.

So the addition or diminution of the books; and besides that many passage/verses and chapters missing or adding suggest, please don’t mind, that perhaps both the Protestants and Catholics have been cut off from the tree of life in terms of the above verses of Revelation 22:18-19.

What is the remedy?
Can both the mainstream Christian denominations agree to a version which should be acceptable to both of them and the JWs?

Thanks

Bible -not preserved word for word in the original form

April 25, 2013

As I mentioned in one of my recent earlier post and later we discussed and we observed that just on account of discrepancy in number of books in the Bible, it is proved that the Catholic-Christians and the Protestant-Christians both stand cut off from the tree of life; if the warning in the book of revelation is generalized and extended toe whole of Bible. Since every book has been written at different times and different authors; every book of Bible needs a separate protection or preservation clause.

Here in this post we will see that “Mark the earliest gospel does not mention resurrection” and ends with the empty tomb; the tenet of resurrection of Jesus or ascension of Jesus was added into the gospels about two hundred years later.

One could view a BBC documentary in this connection:thanks to BBC and blog.tsemtulku.com :Jesus was a Buddhist Monk (BBC documentary):

Please start viewing the video, setting play-head position @ 11.23 and hear the views expressed by BBC scholars.

Catholics and Protestants: their abode is permanently in confusion

January 20, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/the-name-allah-quid-pro-quo-on-the-christian-community/#comment-852

sch Says:

Why is it that Christians today want to loose their identity? The Bible was passed down from the prophets and Apostles and now we have Christians that are trying to look for favour in the eyes of people that do not believe on our GOD
Paarsurrey is confused and does not know whether he is Christian or Muslim. Leave them to their religion and follow what God has given you. Remember Jesus words relevation 22:18-19
18″For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. “(KJV)
Strive to make yourselves worthy in God’s eyes and not look for favour in man.

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friend sch

I am not confused. It is rather to save the Catholics Protestants from confusion.

Like the passage you have quoted from NT Bible; this passage is not for the whole of Bible, may be it is intended only for Revelation.

Bible is a collection of many books; the Gospels to start with consisted of some forty Books out of which only four were clubbed together haphazardly; so just by doing this the Catholics Protestants were cut off from the tree of life, if these verses were of any value.

So according to the revelation 22:18-19 the Catholics Protestants are suffering from the plague of confusion and are out of the holy city. Form the time Paul and Church invented Trinity for them; the Catholics’ and Protestants’ abode is permanently in confusion.

I wish that they come out of this confusion.
Further, the verses are not written by Jesus as you have written but are ascribed to John.

I think you now understand.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

Thanks

Catholics and Protestants loose their share in the tree of life and in the holy city

November 1, 2008

Paarsurrey says:

WordPress.com has informed me that someone referred my blog via Search Engine Terms and desired of me if there is in “bible verse for protection security”.

As a matter of fact, I don’t find any such verse in the Bible, for the whole Bible (OT+NT), for protection from corruption and for its security.

The only such verse is in :
Revelation 22:18

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. Unquote

One can see that the above verse is specific for Revelation of John; and not for the whole Bible.

There is a difference of six/seven books in Catholic and Protestant Bibles; if one thinks that it is applicable to the whole Bible, then Both Protestants and Catholics have no share in the “tree of life” and “in the holy city” as they differ for six books.

I copy/paste here my post: “Somebody please quote from the Bible; a specific verse of protection from corruption” I wrote sometimes ago here:

Hi
Did Jesus receive Word from GodAllahYHWH or not?

If he received and he used to secure it, naturally; where is that?

I am not talking about the NT; it was definitely added later, but it does not consist of Revelation, it is as our Christian friends say an inspiration at the most, if proved, and not Word from the mouth of God.

I don’t have to blame Catholics for the addition of six books (or some say it is 13 books) in the Bible; but it is what the Protestants or JWs and so many other Christian denominations hold.

Now some people insist that this warning of being cut off from the tree of life is only for the Book of Revelation and not for the whole NTBible or the whole OTBible+NTBible.

I don’t believe this as I can’t find any other verse/s for the security of Bible from corruption except this lone verse, otherwise you know the JWs would have put up that before me when they visited me.

They are very smart in this respect if you have any experience with them.

One of my Catholic friends has quoted a verse from the Bible to defend that the Catholic Bible is protected.

Here is the quote from the Bible that give the assurance to followers that the Catholic Church; God will always protect the Catholic Church…. This includes the Bible as the Bible is a Catholic document.

And I also, I say unto thee that thou art Peter, and on this rock I will build my assembly, and hades’ gates shall not prevail against it.” [Mathew 16:18]

Now this is clearly a case of circular argument. All Catholic documents were written after when Jesus disappeared from Galilee and went to India. There is no proof that Jesus ever said that to Peter.

Moreover the above quote does not specifically mention of the security of bible and its protection as does the quote of Revelation, I think one would agree with me in this respect.

So bible is not covered under the protection clause of Revelation, which is obvious even otherwise.

The quote also makes no mention of the Catholic Church. Does it? I think it is a guess of the Catholics only. The guesses never make facts.

I would request my Christian friends to please mention a specific verse for protection and security of Bible from Bible OT&NT; otherwise it would be free for all the denominations to add or take out anything from the Bible.

I love Jesus and Mary.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Somebody please quote from the Bible; a specific verse of protection from corruption

August 26, 2008

Hi

Did Jesus receive Word from GodAllahYHWH or not?

If he received and he used to secure it, naturally; where is that? I am not talking about the NT; it was definitely added later, but it does not consist of Revelation, it is as our Christian friends say an inspiration at the most, if proved, and not Word from the mouth of God.

I don’t have to blame Catholics for the addition of six books (or some say it is 13 books) in the Bible; but it is what the Protestants or JWs and so many other Christian denominations hold.

Now some people insist that this warning of being cut off from the tree of life is only for the Book of Revelation and not for the whole NTBible or the whole OTBible+NTBible. I don’t believe this as I can’t find any other verse/s for the security of Bible from corruption except this lone verse, otherwise you know the JWs would have put up that before me when they visited me.They are very smart in this respect if you have any experience with them.

One of my Catholic friends has quoted a verse from the Bible to defend that the Catholic Bible is protected.

Here is the quote from the Bible that give the assurance to followers that the Catholic Churhc God will always protect the Catholic Church…. This includes the Bible as the Bible is a Catholic document.
And I also, I say unto thee that thou art Peter, and on this rock I will build my assembly, and hades’ gates shall not prevail against it.” [Mathew 16:18]

Now this is clearly a case of circular argument. All Catholic documents were written after when Jesus disappeared from Galilee and went to India. There is no proof that Jesus ever said that to Peter.

Moreover the above quote does not specifically mention of the security of bible and its protection as does the quote of Revelation, I think one would agree with me in this respect.

So bible is not covered under the protection clause of Revelation, which is obvious even otherwise.

The quote also makes no mention of the Catholic Church. Does it? I think it is a guess of the Catholics only. The guesses never make facts. I would request my Christian friends to please mention a specific verse for protection and security of Bible from Bible OT&NT; otherwise it would be free for all the denominations to add or take out anything from the Bible.

I love Jesus and Mary.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim


Jesus never added anything in Torah or took away anything from it

August 23, 2008

Hi

In my opinion JesusYeshuaIssa was a subordinate ProphetMessenger of Moses and of his Book called Torah. JesusYeshuaIssa, therefore, never added and was not authorised to add anything in Torah or take away anything from Torah. Except for the words Jesus himself spoke, which are in fact in support of Torah. Almost all of what has been collected and bound by the Church and called NTBible and followed by the Catholics / Protestants, is in my opinion an addition to Torah or taking away something from Torah under one pretex or the other. Jesus is not responsible for all these made up things in his name.

Please stick to your own opinion, no compulsion.

I respect your faith.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim


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