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Quran- the real , original, secure and unchanged Word of G-d – corrects revealed scriptures of all Revealed Religions

September 13, 2015
Post #81

Even that is original with Quran.
Quran does not mention Adam as the first human being ever born, in whose nostrils life was blown:
G-d formed man out of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils a breath of life. Man thus became a living creature” (Genesis 2:7).
Quran mentions Adam who was the first human being made prophet of G-d with a message from Hims for his people who already existed.
Quran is original and corrects Torah that got altered/tampered with by the corrupt narrators/scribes/clergy.
There is no myth in Quran, it is real and is original, secure and unchanged Word of G-d that corrects all the revealed scriptures of all the revealed religions.

Regards

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No wisdom in leaving a revealed religion to join Atheism, just for convenience

February 26, 2014

Please view paarsurrey’s comments: blog, topic, link below:

“The Calladus Blog” topic “What I believe”
http://calladus.blogspot.ca/

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5736821&postID=1351504333661851099&page=1&token=1393453221002

Paarsurrey says: (still awaiting moderation from the blog owner)

@Calladus : 25/2/14 9:21 PM: 26/2/14 8:07 AM

I was not even implying to that. I know that you are an atheist, not a Christian. My point was that though you studied Christianity intensively and other religions not up-to that level; yet your study of or research of revealed religions was impaired only because you did not have a right tool or principle of comparative study of religions ; and then you all of a sudden decided to become an Atheist, just for convenience.

I had suggested you to read a book “THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM” by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908- the Promised Messiah; I again give its link below:

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Philosophy-of-Teachings-of-Islam.pdf

This was an essay written by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 read at a conference of great religions held at Lahore in the then British India, in the year 1896.

The very first sentence of the essay reads “It is necessary that a claim and the reasons in support of it must be set forth from a revealed book.”

I use to describe it as a “Golden rule for comparative study of revealed religions”; and this principle is explained in the next two pages by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad:

Quote:

“In this auspicious Conference the purpose of which is that those who have been invited to participate in it should expound the merits of their respective religions with reference to the questions that have been formulated. I shall today set forth the merits of Islam. Before I proceed to do so I deem it proper to announce that I have made it obligatory upon myself that whatever I state will be based upon the Holy Quran which is the Word of God Almighty.

I consider it essential that everyone who follows a book, believing it to be revealed, should base his exposition upon that book and should not so extend the scope of his advocacy of his faith as if he is compiling a new book.

As it is my purpose today to establish the merits of the Holy Quran and to demonstrate its excellence, it is incumbent upon me not to state anything which is not comprehended in the Quran and to set forth everything on the basis of its verses and in accord with their meaning and that which might be inferred from them, so that those attending the Conference should encounter no difficulty in carrying out a comparison between the teachings of different religions.

As all those who believe in a revealed book will also confine themselves to statements comprised in their respective revealed books, I shall not make any reference to the traditions of the Holy Prophet, inasmuch as all true traditions are only derived from the Holy Quran which is a perfect book comprehending all other books.

In short this is the day of the manifestation of the glory of the Holy Quran and I humbly beseech God Almighty to assist me in this undertaking. Amin. “ Unquote

Had one known this principle before; I think one’s decision would have been different.

One is welcome to try it now; if one pleases.

All revealed religions in the origin are truthful

December 17, 2013

All revealed religions in the origin are truthful
I started a thread in one of my favorite discussion forum :
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/118741#post2509441

My following post may be read in this connection:

1.
paarsurrey posted :
All revealed religions in the origin are truthful
2. paarsurrey posted :

Like the religion revealed to Moses; he never intended to propound a religion till he was addressed by the One-True-God Allah Yahweh with a clear message thus:

[20:13] ‘Verily, I am thy Lord. So take off thy shoes; for thou art in the sacred Valley of Tuwa. [20:13] ‘Verily, I am thy Lord. So take off thy shoes; for thou art in the sacred Valley of Tuwa.
[20:14] ‘And I have chosen thee; so hearken to what is revealed
[20:15] ‘Verily, I am Allah; there is no God beside Me. So serve Me, and observe Prayer for My remembrance.
[20:16] ‘Surely, the Hour is coming; I am going to manifest it, that every soul may be recompensed for its endeavour.
[20:17] ‘So let not him who believes not therein and follows his own evil inclinations, turn thee away therefrom, lest thou perish.

https://alislam.org/quran/search2/showC … mp;verse=8

3. Mathew James wrote:

The format, of the major religions, is similar in structure, but they have divided them self with semantics and the need to be correct. In religious thought there is basically a top spot that has a Creator and then there is a level of spiritually that a person needs to grow through to find peace with the Creator. A person believes in a Creator (Believer) or they do not believe in a Creator (a Non-Believer). The divisions created by the need to be correct is what hurts the Believers from seeing their common ground and leads many people to being Non-Believers

paarsurrey wrote@ Mathew James :

I agree with you.

The format of all revealed religion is almost the same; when the original message in the original language revealed on the founder of a revealed religion is lost or becomes diluted in the debris of time the differences are made.

4. psycheskinner wrote:

Various sects and religions directly contradict each other. Thus they can’t all be right. For example some say Jesus is the son of God and some say he is not.

paarsurrey posted
That only reflects that the original message has been corrupted or forgotten. It also may reflect that there is no compulsion in religion.
5. wilderness wrote:

As no two are the same that would mean that 10,000 messages were corrupted while exactly one was not. Hard to believe…

Of course there is compulsion in religion: “Do what I say or burn forever” is pretty strong.


paarsurrey wrote:

If one sees an old building right now in shambles and one believes that once it was a in good condition and might have been a marvelous building; nobody would say one is wrong.

6. Kathryn L Hill wrote:
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/118741?page=2

[20:17] ‘So let not him who believes not therein and follows his own evil inclinations, turn thee away therefrom, lest thou perish.

– what is the nature of “perishing?”

Paarsurrey wrote:
Not fulfilling the purpose of life.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/118741?page=2

7. psycheskinner wrote:

Various sects and religions directly contradict each other. Thus they can’t all be right. For example some say Jesus is the son of God and some say he is not.

Paarsurrey wrote:
Jesus being a god or son of god is not the core teaching of Jesus or Moses.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/118741?page=2

8. paarsurrey wrote:
Like the religion revealed to Moses; he never intended to propound a religion till he was addressed by the One-True-God Allah Yahweh with a clear message thus:

[20:13] ‘Verily, I am thy Lord. So take off thy shoes; for thou art in the sacred Valley of Tuwa. [20:13] ‘Verily, I am thy Lord. So take off thy shoes; for thou art in the sacred Valley of Tuwa.
[20:14] ‘And I have chosen thee; so hearken to what is revealed
[20:15] ‘Verily, I am Allah; there is no God beside Me. So serve Me, and observe Prayer for My remembrance.
[20:16] ‘Surely, the Hour is coming; I am going to manifest it, that every soul may be recompensed for its endeavour.
[20:17] ‘So let not him who believes not therein and follows his own evil inclinations, turn thee away therefrom, lest thou perish.

https://alislam.org/quran/search2/showC … mp;verse=8

Cgenea posted :

It sounds a lot like the bible to me. I hope that is not totally disrespectful. I’m just saying…

The one true God whom Adam, Buddha, Krishna, Socrates, Moses, Jesus etc believed

July 15, 2013

There ensued a discussion on one of my favorite blogs between me and john zande which could be viewed by clicking the following link:

 http://fidedubitandum.wordpress.com/2013/07/09/the-wrong-target/

Reblogged this on paarsurrey and commented:
Paarsurrey says:

All revealed religions in their origin are/were from one source of the one true God; that is the reason for so many similar teachings in them. The differences in religions reflect that when the message from the one true God got diluted due to corruption; the message was again revealed by Him on another truthful messenger prophet of the one true God.

Thanks

 

Would your mind change to know there was never a revelation to anyone at any time? I’m referring here specifically to the Old Testament.

 

Why should one restrict to Old Testament? Moses did receive revelation from the one true God.
Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Socrates, Jesus, Muhammad and in our own times Mirza Ghulam Ahmad received revelation from the one true God.

 

Care to explain then why all these gods have different names, attributes, personalities, messages, languages, moral codes, and varying degrees of authored powers. The Abrahamic god is omnipotent and omnipresent, but the Zoroastrian, Ahura Mazda, in not (it is stressed) omnipresent.

 

Different languages have to have different names of the one true God; it is very natural.
All good names in whatever language are His names; they belong to the one true God.

 

Sorry, that explanation doesn’t fly. You are alluding to a universal god, and a universal god should have one name recognised by all. By extension such a god should be able to state exactly what it wants to say and do so free of any and all ambiguity. Its word should be unencumbered by cultural idiosyncrasies and remain unmolested by divergences in language, calligraphy, obscure and dead lexicons, future dialects, exotic morphemes, or even illiteracy and deafness. Its word should contain no contradiction, no absurdity, no oversight or declarations that are in conflict with observed facts. Its word should penetrate all tribal, domestic and international legal code and remain morally true in a timeless continuum. Such an entity should be instantly recognisable to all sentient creatures and its actions should exhibit no fault or favour, no bias, prejudice, second-thought or indeed, if omniscient, no mind-set at all.

 

How do you know that? Please give your evidence

john zande
July 15th, 2013 at 11:33 pm

It is a claim bound-up in the proclamation of an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient god. I didn’t make the claim; theists, like yourself, do.
paarsurrey
July 16th, 2013 at 12:27 am

But I did not make any such claim; you will admit; if others do, they are free to answer.
john zande
July 16th, 2013 at 1:15 am

Are you insane?

You believe in the Abrahamic god. That god is said to be omni-everything. If you don’t believe in that particular god you’ll have to specifically outline which god you actually believe in… and describe its attributes to me.

So, if its not the Abrahamic god, describe the god you believe in.
paarsurrey
July 16th, 2013 at 1:27 am

I believe in the one true God who always existed irrespective whether Abraham believed in Him. I don’t have to contest with Abraham; he was a truthful messenger prophet of the one true God.

In fact time and space, “nothing” and “something”; are all caused by Him, the one true God.

Please don’t define and limit my God; it is my choice to believe in Him as per the attributes mentioned in Quran.

Please don’t lose patience; I think it is a good attribute of a Humanist.

Isn’t it?
john zande
July 16th, 2013 at 1:41 am

“attributes mentioned in Quran…”

so you believe in the Abrahamic god! There’s no two ways around this. You believe in THAT omni-everything god.
paarsurrey
July 16th, 2013 at 3:28 am

Prophets like Adam, Buddha, Krishna, Socrates, Moses and Jesus etc; all believed in one true God; Abraham was also one such messenger prophet among so many.

Religion is a personal belief; please don’t attribute or define anything which I did not claim.

I think a good Humanist should be careful about others beliefs

one true God created everything including “nothingness”

June 21, 2013

I contributed a posts on the forum<http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/> under the thread <  Which religion is most the most scientifically accurate?>; the post is given here for the viewers of this blog:

Paarsurrey wrote:

#183 Science deals in a narrow field; it relates to the things one could perceive physically or materially.

Revealed Religions have a broader approach they go beyond it. Religions see the things in the light of Word revealed on humanity from the one true God who created everything including “nothingness”.

Why did Buddha beg alms from the public? Did Buddha himself explain his rationality for doing this?

April 26, 2013

Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad; all of them were founders of great revealed religions of the world; they did not beg alms from the public.

I don’t get at the rationality of Buddha seeking alms from the public.

Is there anybody who should explain this here?

Please quote from Buddha in this connection, if possible.

Paarsurrey says:

I posed this question to a discussion forum and in response to the friends there I wrote:

1. Bhikkhu = Beggarmonk | Theravadin
Maybe I am wrong to understand; but followings seem to me against begging alms, not in its favour:

1. “Bhikkhus, this is contemptible means of subsistence, this gathering of alms.
2. Far better for him to swallow
A fiery hot iron ball
Than that immoral and uncontrolled
He should eat the country’s alms.

2. I agree and appreciate that Buddha’s intention was to re-establish the “eternal law” or the truthful religion but begging of alms is not an eternal law or sanatana dharma. If a whole community indulges in it; there were be nobody to give alms. I don’t think Buddha could do or teach such an unreasonable thing.

3. One of our friends here referred to a Sutra which mentions, if I have understood it correctly:

“Far better for him to swallow
A fiery hot iron ball
Than that immoral and uncontrolled
He should eat the country’s alms.”

Buddha did not like that one should eat the country’s alms; it is as good as to swallow a fiery hot iron ball.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alms

Thanks for directing me to the Wikipedia article; it concentrates more on giving alms rather than seeking or begging alms.

It is charitable that if a needy come; one should respect him and give him food and drink.

One could view my posts at:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/comparative-religion/147372-why-did-buddha-beg-alms-public-3.html#post3310487

Faith in Science

March 16, 2013

Paarsurrey says:

The chart prepared for science and faith is not comparable; science and religion both being in different domains should not be compared , in my opinion.

We do have faith in science, based on experiments, for its usefulness in the material and physical domains on one hand; but we also have faith in Religion on the other hand, for human rich heritage of experience based on Word of Revelation on great human beings- the founders of revealed Religion, in ethical, moral and spiritual domains where science is of no use at all.

Both need to be respected.

Leadership and Management / Turning Adversity to Advantage

Science and faith flow charts

  

more to come covering Pope Francis’ installation as well as Science and Engineering Week taking place.

While the Apostle’s Creed is well known to many of the Christian faith, Chet Raymo offers an alternative ‘Credo’ for the devotees in the cathedral of scientific faith (with the holy spirit of embracing failure especially in our knowledge imbued throughout.

  • Science is the most reliable way of knowing that humankind has yet devised. It relies as much as possible on the experimental method, quantitative data, peer review, reproducibility, and the firm application of Ockham’s Razor. Scientific knowledge is consensus knowledge. In seeking consensus, it makes no reference to nationality, race, ethnicity, politics, religion or gender. Textbook science is universal. Scientific knowledge is tentative and evolving. It chooses reliability over certainty. Science is radically open to marginal change, and marginally open to radical change. The proof of the pudding is in…

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Blind faith equally deplorable both in science and religion

May 24, 2012

 

 

I think those who claim that science can prove or disprove the one true God have blind faith in science.
None of the founders of revealed religions ever vouched for blind faith. Those who doubt they should quote from Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus etc. in this connection.
Kalama Sutta is one such example; does it advocate blind faith?

Islam would be number one religion in the West (including America)‎

July 9, 2009

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/07/05/is-islam-really-america%e2%80%99s-second-‎largest-religion/‎

‎16. paarsurrey Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 1:46 am ‎

Hi friends

I believe that Muslims numbers will increase as Muslims have more children than others ‎‎in the West. They pray five times a day and keep fasting in Ramadhan and perform Hajj; ‎‎this keeps them well knit and religious.

With the advent of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908; the Promised Messiah and Imam ‎‎Mahdi (the peaceful Reformer of the Revealed Religions of the World) the scenario has ‎‎been changed; the peaceful teachings of Islam/Quran/Muhammad have been highlighted ‎‎by him; and under his banner all the religions would unite peacefully. He has come as a ‎‎successor of Muhammad, so his convincing, rational and logical arguments would do this ‎‎job as destined by God Allah YHWH.‎
The result would be opening of the hearts and minds of the West and others for ‎‎Islam/Quran/Muhammad; but there should be no worry for anybody as it would be done ‎‎peacefully; and this is what West wants.‎

So Islam would be number one religion this way in the West (including America), I ‎believe.

All humans are but a family; love for all, hatred for none.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

What does Quran say about the Bible?

May 13, 2009

~Quran respects all the Revealed Books of all the Religions; e.g., Torah of Moses or Gita of Krishna, or revelations made to Buddha, or Zoroaster; or for that matter any book revealed on the Messenger Prophets, all over the world. Bible/Torah is one of such Revealed Book.

Wdednh says:

Thank you for your interesting reply. You’ve asked very interesting questions. But b4 I answer your questions would you please answer my questions?

You in your writings keep talking about Jesus of the Bible, and you talk about Cunning Paul and sinful scribes of the Bible, you talk about Love you have for Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran. Now would you please tell me?

(1)What does Quran say about the Bible?
(2) What does Quran say about Mary?
(3) Does Quran mention virgin birth of JESUS CHRIST?
(4)And if Quran mentions the virgin birth, what does it say the virgin was conceived by?
(5) Also what is your thought on Israel as a country and as a Nation?

So please tell me what QURAN says and if you are a true follower of it?

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend wdednh

English is not my mother language; so, I am not familiar with the American or English proverbs and phrases. I had to google to find out the meaning and history of the proverb “The proof is in the pudding”. Thanks for introducing one to me.

Question:

What does Quran say about the Bible?

Answer:

Quran respects all the Revealed Books of all the Religions; e.g., Torah of Moses or Gita of Krishna, or revelations made to Buddha, or Zoroaster; or for that matter any book revealed on the Messenger Prophets, all over the world. Bible/Torah is one of such Revealed Book. An Ahmadi peaceful Muslim has to believe that the persons on whom these books were revealed were truthful persons. Bible/Torah is said to be revealed on Moses; though I personally think that Genesis was not revealed on Moses.

Since God Allah YHWH sent the Messengers with Divine Guidance, so Quran on broader basis confirms the original revelations to be true; and a Muslim cannot be a Muslim if he denies this basis. Not withstanding the above Quran makes a distinction between the Word of Revelation in origin, and the present form it is found now; some part conforming with the origin and some getting diluted by hands of its followers.

No Muslim believes that the present Torah or the present Gospels entirely retain the form of the origin; these are mixed up now.

The Messengers Prophets on whom these books were revealed were the truthful Messengers Prophets of God Allah YHWH; the revelations were also truthful in the origin, but unfortunately, the followers of these books made them tainted. This could be observed, easily by reading those books.

The books are hardly found protected and secured with a fool proof system; having not the same text, word for word and letter for letter; in the original language of the Messengers on whom these are said to have been revealed.

We find guidance originally revealed diluted to a great extent and also a lot of wisdom missing which must have been in them, if they are truthful now. It is for this that we don’t find both claims and reason intact in them.

It is for this that we see the followers of these books spoon feeding the claims and reason into them so frequently; that forms a proof of an attempt to tamper with the text or adding meanings which are not there in the original texts and versions. The books itseld are deaf and dumb; while the followers boast about the wisdom.

I think I shall have to add a recent example to illustrate the point.

Pope Benedict’s Latest Take on Islam
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1897119,00.html

“Faith is in fact necessary in a world in which reason alone can become a form of extremism.” “When human reason humbly allows itself to be purified by faith… it is strengthened to resist presumption and reach beyond its own limitations.” I think with this he was perhaps hinting toward the Atheists and the Agnostics who are also called sometimes as Secularists or Humanists.
He further added: “Christians describe God, among other ways, as creative Reason, which orders and guides the world,” the Pope said. “Muslims worship God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth, who has spoken to humanity.” The Pope seems to still believe that this distinction — between Christian faith that is “purified” by human reason, and Muslim faith that is simply received from God.

The Highest Catholic Clergy is a dignitary; and our faith (Islam) enjoins us to respect dignitaries of all faiths/religions. As an individual he is entitled to free thinking and opinion; and I respect his faith.

So the Catholic faith as incorporated in the Catholic Bible is purified by reason, as he claims.

Now whose reason purifies the original text? It is anybody’s guess. If, I have understood it correctly, the Pope gets a license to add reasons or meaning to the revelation under the pretext of purifying the scriptures made by God Allah YHWH on Jesus. This they have been doing since the times of Paul; adding claims and reasons under the name of purification.

Yet, the Gospels completely lack of any reasons, at least I could not find any reasonable, rational, and logical reasons for any theological assertions/expressions made or claimed in it. Kindly correct me if I have misunderstood anything the Clergy said.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran not the mythical ones presented by sinful Paul and the sinful scribes.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim