Posts Tagged ‘converse’

Second Coming: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s Mission

November 7, 2017

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has exposed all the false creeds of Paul, Church and the scribes; all these (Paul, Church and the scribes- the authors of the Trinity) together are the Anti-Christ and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah- his advent has taken place to refute their rebellious stance against Jesus, as Jesus’ spirit wanted that it should to be proved wrong, with the brilliant arguments of the Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and this way their false creeds/teachings/characters be killed before their eulogizers.

 

Thread: “Are there eulogizers of science out of blind-faith? “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Science and Religion

Post 34: 
paarsurrey1 wrote:
Jesus first time coming and then Second Coming is a religious matter, it will be settled by Word of Revelation, not by science. Second Coming has already taken place in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, so the matter stands resolved. It was, therefore not a blind-faith. Science and religion work under different framework and it must be like that. Right, please?

m—o wrote:

Science works hard to prove; religion works hard to delude. So Jesus, who was to sail back to earth on a cloud with a scimitar in his hand, arrived incognito and died just before the First World War, having done next to nothing? And with a changed name! This is amusing but if one actually believes this, there is sadness too.

paarsurrey1 wrote:

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 did everything he was supposed to do. His main mission was :

~to establish close and personal contact with God and that it was possible to Converse with Him, as it was earlier.
~to reform Religion
~Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 who is the Promised Messiah in character and has come to tell the true teachings of Jesus that had been corrupted by the deviant Paul, the mislead church and the sinful scribes of the gospels and had invented new creeds in Jesus’ name or supported them.

Jesus never believed that he was a god or the son of god or Jesus was to ascend to the skies literally and physically or Jesus was to resurrect from the physically dead.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has exposed all the false creeds of Paul, Church and the scribes; all these (Paul, Church and the scribes- the authors of the Trinity) together are the Anti-Christ and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah- his advent has taken place to refute their rebellious stance against Jesus, as Jesus’ spirit wanted that it should to be proved wrong, with the brilliant arguments of the Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and this way their false creeds/teachings/characters be killed before their eulogizers.

It is the real spiritual Armageddon, which is to establish the Unity of the ONE true Creator God and the truth of Muhammad and Quran and to support all the truthful messengers prophets in all regions of the world, with peace, love and reasonable dialogue by convincing hearts and souls.

Regards

Absolute verities manifest in the Universe are attributes of ONE-God

October 24, 2017

Thread: “Did Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens ….?”
Forum: Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Science and Religion

Post 33: 

paarsurrey1 wrote:
Muslims don’t believe in Jesus-God or Holy-Spirit-God or that Jesus was son-of-God or that Mary was wife of God or that Jesus died on the Cross or that Jesus could forgive sins of the people.

R—–1 wrote:

The god that spoke to Muhammad was not the same one that spoke to Moses (Musa) and Jesus (Isa)? If portions of those books are false, all of the religions that I mentioned are effected.

paarsurrey1 wrote:
It is OK if he made some money by tricking the non-believers.

As I already showed, money was not his goal. Why should we believe that the pursuit of truth was not his goal? Did he ever stray from that goal?

Quote:
The god that spoke to Muhammad was not the same one that spoke to Moses (Musa) and Jesus (Isa)?

paarsurrey1 wrote:

The One-True-God is ONE irrespective of whether one believes in Him or not. God of the Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism people is the same ONE, though they deny Him and though He does not Converse with them.
The Absolute and positive verities found and manifest in the Universe are His attributes, these verities exist and everything else is under the concept of relativity having been bestowed temporary existence by Him.
Please correct me if I am wrong. Right, please?
Regards

Why converse of G-d is needed by humans?

May 8, 2015
  1.  Post #3
    Nakosis said:

    Paarsurrey wrote:

    If converse between two human being could lead to cognition of one another; why converse between man and G-d cannot lead to perfect cognition of G-d by a human ?Please

    Regards

    Post #6

    Paarsurrey wrote:

    We cannot generalize from some or many people having hallucinations to others who were not hallucinated.
    Very practical, normal and successful persons have had Converse with G-d.

    I don’t agree with you.

    Regards

     Post #8

    rusra02 said:

    I don’t think we could ever know the true God, unless he is willing to reveal himself to us. Happily, God has done this for us, IMO, as any loving father would to his children.

    And that exactly He has done.

    Regards

    Post #11
  2. Paarsurrey wrote :

    Like Muhammad a person of diverse pragmatic qualities who changed the wheel of history in the teeth of opposition by the powers that be in the world at that time.

    Regards

Why converse of G-d is needed by humans?

May 7, 2015
  1. Post #3
  2. Paarsurrey wrote: If converse between two human being could lead to cognition of one another; why converse between man and G-d cannot lead to perfect cognition of G-d by a human ? Please

    Regards

How to make a comparative study of Religion?

March 25, 2014

Please click the following link to get the context of the discussion.

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/comments/belief/#comment-8876

paarsurrey
MAR 25, 2014 @ 23:05:55

@unkleE :MAR 21, 2014 @ 03:22:18
Quote : “Hi paarsurrey, how are you going?
You have built this comment around the statement that to know God, we need a revealed book. What you say raises three questions in my mind:
1. Must God reveal himself through a book? Could he ever do it some other way?
2. How do we know which book is the truest revelation of God?
3. How would you propose to discuss these things? If, for example, you simply quoted the Koran and I quoted the Bible, we would get nowhere. So how else can we discuss?
Thanks.” Unquote

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend
I am fine.

“The statement that to know God, we need a revealed book”

I think I did not literally make that statement. Well, I don’t object if one has got that understanding from the post.

unkleE : “to know God, we need a revealed book”
Paarsurrey: To know God and as to how his attributes work; His Word is most useful for that purpose.

I think you also agree with me on this point.

Don’t you?

I try to answer to your other questions below:

1. unkleE :“Must God reveal himself through a book?

Paarsurrey: I think you agree that God revealed Himself on Moses and Jesus; and a Jew or Christian cannot deny that.

Perhaps you want to know from me as to why He did manifest in this way.

Since the One-True-God (Allah Yahweh Ahura-Mazda Parmeshawara Eshawara) is only attributive; He is not a physical or spiritual being that we could see Him with our physical eyes; though we can see his attributes working behind everything in Nature, in silence.

Yet it has always been primarily His communication or Converse through which He had manifested to human beings. Hence the importance of the spoken Word of Revelation which is verbal when revealed and also secured in writing, in the book form, is the most important source of guidance that leads to Him; it can never be over-emphasized.

Nature manifests Him silently but the Word speaks of Him loudly.

unkleE : “Could he ever do it some other way?”

Paarsurrey: Yes; He could manifest Himself in diverse ways; and nobody could limit the ways of his manifestations; yet He cannot be limited by anybody or forced by anybody to change His ways:

[35:44] …………………………….. But thou wilt never find any change in the way of Allah; nor wilt thou ever find any alteration in the way of Allah.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=35&verse=43

For one; all truthful revelation from the One-True-God is to be believed; be it of the past, present and or future; be it on Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad etc; all is to be believed; being from the same source of one God.

2. unkleE: How do we know which book is the truest revelation of God?

Paarsurrey:
a. By comparative study

b. And the reasonable inner-evidence of the Word Revealed according to the attributes of the One-True-God. We could do that; not at all difficult to discern.

3. unkleE: How would you propose to discuss these things? If, for example, you simply quoted the Koran and I quoted the Bible, we would get nowhere.

Paarsurrey: I think you have observed me quoting from the revelations of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad in this connection; I don’t think it will pose a problem even now.

These quotes should not depict simply the authority of God; but the reason/wisdom content in the same must reflect the attribute of God being All-Wise. The quotes must therefore be full of evident reason and wisdom. The gist of the reason must exist there.

It is not a perfect Book if it needs external reasons to be provided; that portion which is devoid of reason must not be from Him.

Nobody is entitled to put words into God’s mouth; He is all-knowing.

Does it help?

What is your thinking on your three questions?

Regards

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/comments/belief/#comment-8878

paarsurrey
MAR 26, 2014 @ 11:53:30
@unkleE: MAR 26, 2014 @ 06:54:25

“if we discuss the revelations we each believe in, how can we draw any conclusions? ”

I think I said that I believe all truthful Word revealed from the One-True-God on His prophets messengers; I even mentioned names of some of them.

I don’t see any problem.

“unless we already have some truth outside the books by which to judge their truth”

If the revelation is truthful; it would have inner truthful evidences also.

“We would need some criteria by which to make our comparisons”

I mentioned reasonable criteria.

“I was using historical and scientific learning”

People write history differently; it is not 100% correct. There was a period when there existed no written history; Truth existed even then.

Science is only a child of the yesterday and works in the things physical and material; Religion guides in ethical, moral and spiritual realms; both work in different spheres. Science cannot prove or disprove important subjects of religion like existence of God.

This is what I think; others could think differently

Regard

Let the masses understand life in easy terms please

January 15, 2014

I wrote following post for the benefit of the public at

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2014/01/young-earth-creationists-make-their-point/#comment-1200953312

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paarsurrey @ Captain Cassidy

Quoting your words:

“If there’s no literal Creation, then there can’t be a literal Fall, and from there no literal Original Sin, which means there’s no need for a literal Jesus to die and be apparently risen again. There might not even be a real hell or heaven to threaten or entice people with.” Unquote

Quran here comes to the rescue of the Bible for correct understanding of the things lost its originality due to the manipulation of the scribes of Bible.

Taking the narrative of Adam’s creation as literal is a misunderstanding of the scribes and is wrong. Adam was not the first man created/evolved; man might have evolved in millions of years as science has deciphered it rightly now. Adam and Eve were the first people chosen for the direct Converse with the One-True-God as the words ““[9] And the Lord God called Adam, and said to him: Where art thou?”
It also is the mistake of the eulogizers of science and scientists to take the Word Revealed on Krishna, Moses, Jesus etc as if they were writing text books of science; they never claimed as such.

It is easy for the ordinary/common man to understand the things in nutshell and in a symbolic or poetic way than in terms of the formulas, equations and other difficult terminologies of science; which is the job of Scientist to do and they must do it for the benefit of the human society.
So, please let it be simple. Let the masses understand life in easy terms.

Thanks

“Middle Path” itself shows that Buddha got revelation from God

June 22, 2013

I wrote following posts on <http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/> under the topic <Buddha believed in the Creator God>; I give the post below for the viewers of this blog.

To see the context of a post, please, click the post #; that will take you to the full single view of the post in the forum, and then click the thread topic on the right upper corner, that will take you to the discussion that ensued in the forum.

Paarsurrey wrote:

#17    The middle path; itself shows that Buddha got enlightenment/revelation from the Creator God.

Unity or ONENESS of the Creator God is the natural belief or default faith of humanity; when they get astray they believe in many gods or they altogether deny any gods; both are one the extremes; normalcy returns when some selfless and pure person like Buddha gets converse/enlightenment from the Creator God and gets the teachings of the middle path or right path.