Isn’t “flat earth” fictional?

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/prove-or-disprove-flat-earth-theology.225425/page-5#post-6391704

Prove or Disprove Flat Earth Theology
#95  paarsurrey

Isn’t “flat earth” fictional?
The natural word “flat” in its origin/root never meant what it is thought these days.
First they fixed its meaning (to make it like a term) and then they started bullying others.
Right, please?

Regards
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“The myth of the flat Earth is a modern misconception that Earth was believed to be flat rather than spherical by scholars and the educated during the Middle Ages in Europe.*”
*Main, Douglas (28 January 2016). “Even in the Middle Ages, People Didn’t Think the Earth was Flat”. Newsweek. Retrieved 26 April 2019.
Myth of the flat Earth – Wikipedia

“The myth that people in the Middle Ages thought the Earth is flat appears to date from the 17th century as part of the campaign by Protestants against Catholic teaching. But it gained currency in the 19th century, thanks to inaccurate histories such as John William Draper’s History of the Conflict Between Religion and Science (1874) and Andrew Dickson White’s A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896). Atheists and agnostics championed the conflict thesis for their own purposes, but historical research gradually demonstrated that Draper and White had propagated more fantasy than fact in their efforts to prove that science and religion are locked in eternal conflict.*”
* James Hannam. “Science Versus Christianity?”.
Myth of the flat Earth – Wikipedia

Indiana School District Sticks to Its Guns

“Indiana School District Sticks to Its Guns After Atheist Group Demands Pastor-Led Program Be Banned”

https://ijr.com/the-declaration/2018/01/1055313-indiana-school-district-sticks-to-its-guns-after-atheist-group-demands-pastor-led-program-be-banned/

 

Paarsurrey comments:

Instead of complaining against religious education the Atheism people should ask room for imparting their own no-creeds stance. They don’t have anything like that so they only insist on not giving any religious education. In a way it only acknowledges their failure of their viewpoint. Right, please?

Regards

Separation of church and State

Thread: “Scientific search for what is God.”
Forum: Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Science and Religion

Post 100:

paarsurrey1 wrote: One-True-God (He is not Jesus, certainly) cannot be found out by science, and science has never taken this matter for any probe or investigation, formally. The opinions of the scientists in this connection are ,therefore, their personal opinions, need not to be correct, and not of science per se. Science fails in Religion miserably due to its obvious inherent defects. Science is not a function of Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism, so they should not worry. It is a joint venture of believers in God and non-believers. Right, please? Please correct me If I am wrong with reasonable arguments. Regards J——-k wrote: The thing is that non religious secular science is pushed by government and thereby in the schools and in research, and so science has become the religion of government. That government sponsorship makes the secular science into a powerful opposition to all forms of religion. The so-called separation of church and State has been changed into being a weapon of anti Christ. Quote: separation of church and State paarsurrey1 wrote: Separation of Church and State is a laudable thing, the Truthful-Religion supports it. The Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi 1835-1908 has made it clear that Islamic Caliphate does not envisage that Caliph should necessarily be a ruler of the State: [24:56] Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them; and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them; and that He will surely give them in exchange security and peace after their fear: They will worship Me, and they will not associate anything with Me. Then whoso is ungrateful after that, they will be the rebellious. [24:57] And observe Prayer and give the Zakat and obey the Messenger, that you may be shown mercy. https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=24&verse=55 The truthful religion is rich in reason and arguments, it wins hearts and souls with peaceful dialogue, whatever the form of government of a state, it flourishes. Regards

 

Has a religion ever mentioned the existence of another religion?

https://redd.it/6pojdv

Has a religion ever mentioned the existence of another religion within its source material? (self.DebateReligion)

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[–]paarsurrey responded:

Quran not only mentions other revealed religions but mentions that those religions were truthful in their origin, their founders got Word of Revelations from God and that they were truthful persons. It is incumbent on the followers of Quran/Islam/Muhammad to believe in such founders and respect their revelations in whatever positions these are now. One cannot be a Muslim if one does not believe in the truthfulness of such persons and the messages they brought from God. It is for this that the followers of Quran/Islam/Muhammad respect Buddha, Krishna, Moses, Zoroaster, Jesus, Socrates etc. Regards

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“List of religious forums”

The  Religious Forum where I write these days and which I like the most and which I consider to be the best and or number-1 religious forum for civil debates, discussion and religious research is :

https://www.religiousforums.com/

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I provide here a list of religious forums for the benefit of the public with great thanks to viocjit of the following forums:

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-List-of-religious-forums?page=3

18-09-2016, 08:15 PM #24

viocjit Junior Member

RE: List of religious forums
Hinduism :
1.Hindu Dharma (Hindu Forum) : http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/
2.India Divine (Hare Krishna) : http://www.indiadivine.org/content/

Paganism :
1.Asatrulore (Asatru) : http://www.asatrulore.org/index.php?page=Portal
2.Ecauldron (Asatru and SIG) : http://ecauldron.com/forum/forumdisplay….thenry-SIG
3.Pagan Forum (All denominations) : http://www.paganforum.com/forum.php

Judaism
1.Chabad talk (Chabad sect) : http://www.chabadtalk.com/forum/index.ph…de0d01b3c5
2.Gereitzeidek (People converted to Judaism) : http://gereitzedek.proboards.com/
3.Hashkafah (General) : http://www.hashkafah.com/
4.Jewish by choice (People converted to Judaism) : http://www.jewishbychoice.org/
5.Jewish Forum (General) : http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/fo…redirCnt=1

Christianity :
1.Anglican Forums (Anglican) : http://forums.anglican.net/
2.Bible Discussion (To debate about the Bible) : http://bible-discussion.com/
3.CARM (Evangelical) : http://www.carm.org/forums
4.Catholic Answers Forums (Catholic) : http://forums.catholic.com/
5.Christian Forums (All denominations) : http://www.christianforums.com/f237/
6.Debating Christianity (To debate) : http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/index.php
7.God and Science (All denominations) : http://discussions.godandscience.org/
8.JWtalk forums (Jehovah’s Witnesses) : http://jwtalk.net/forums/
9.Orthodox Christianity (Orthodox) : http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php
10.Phatmass (Catholic) : http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/forum/3-debate-table/
11.Rapture ready (Evangelical) : http://rr-bb.com
12.Suscipe Domine (Traditional Catholic) : http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php
13.The Christian Defense (Evangelical) : http://www.thechristiandefense.com
14.Theology Online (To discuss about theology) : http://www.theologyonline.com/
15.Worthy Christian Forums (I can’t define what is it) : http://www.worthychristianforums.com/

Islam :
1.Islamic Awakening (Sunni Muslim fundie) : http://forums.islamicawakening.com/forum.php
2.Muslim Village (Sunni) : http://muslimvillage.com/forums/
3.Shiachat.com (Shi’a) : http://www.shiachat.com/forum/
4.Sunni Forum (Sunni Hannafi) : http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/forum.ph…1e30867d88
5.Ummah.com (General) : http://www.ummah.com/forum/forum.php

Deism (This is not a religion. This is a spirituality) :
1.Positive Deism (Deism) : http://www.positivedeism.com/phpbb2/inde…df7e489cc1

Oecumenism :
1.Religious Forums : http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/
2.Religious Tolerance : http://www.religioustolerance.org/forum.htm

Others :
1.Early Writings (Criticsm of religious writing , mainly Christians texts) : http://earlywritings.com/forum/
2.Online Debate (To debate) : http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/forum.php
First Update : Sept/17/2013
Second Update : June/07/2014
Third update (Version used) : Sept/19/2016

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List of Atheism Forums:

1. r/atheism, the web’s largest atheist forum. All topics related to atheism, agnosticism and secular living are welcome.

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1. http://www.atheistrepublic.com/

Secular Humanism in a nutshell from atheism

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More Atheism Forums:

Discussion Forum

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/f

Discussion Forum My Big Toe Forum

Discussion and Explanation of the Writings of Tom Campbell: The Paradigm Changes Here

https://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/index.php

Discussion Forum

http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

Discussion Forum

http://forum.wingmakers.co.uk/

WindBlown Name: William Waterstone Facebook:Blogs: YouTube:Internet Forums: WingMakers “The Watcher”The Astral Pulse “Wi11iam “ My Big Toe Forum Tom Campbell “William” International Skeptics Forum “Navigator”

https://www.atheistrev.com/p/blogroll_12.html

Thanks and regards from paarsurrey

List of religious forums

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=25247.0

I add a Bahai Forum:

https://bahaiforums.com/  Discussion Forum

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Holy War -the peaceful version- with reasons, arguments and peaceful dialogue

The News:

One will, perhaps, love to read the following:

“Holy War”: Is it Armageddon? with its ” Peaceful Version”! 1

“Holy War”: Is it Armegiddon / Armageddon? – with its “Peaceful Version”! 1 | paarsurrey (wordpress.com)

One will be taken aback to note that Armegiddon/Armageddon is nothing like as one would have imagined or known so far. It is not to be fought with any physical and destructive weaponry and or the lethal arsenal of the day. It is peaceful and in fact, I understand, it has already started and it is sown like a seed!

It was a debate between the Pauline-Christianity (represented by Mr. Abdullah Atham) and the Second Coming 1835-1908 , that took place in Urdu language and was published then by the name “Jang-e-Muqaddas” in 1893 ( 22 May 1893 to 5 June 1893) in the then British India and has been recently translated and published in English by the name “The Holy War”:

The Holy War — A DEBATE BETWEEN ISLAM & CHRISTIANITY — Jang-e-Muqaddas (alislam.org)

Right?

From: a peaceful Ahmadiyya Muslim

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These are the days of Armageddon – the final battle between good and evil –The peaceful Version! 3

Has Armageddon already started with the advent of Second Coming 1835-1908 ?– The peaceful Version! 2

Why converse of G-d is needed by humans?

1. One may like to view/comment on my posts at <www.religiousforums.com>

   http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-converse-of-g-d-is-needed-by-humans.176683/

   Topic:Why converse of G-d is needed by humans?

   Paarsurrey wrote:

   This is because logic and reasoning alone cannot lead to the perfect cognition of G-d.

   Everyone’s thoughts are welcome whether one belongs to a religion or no religion.

   Regards

    Post #3

   Nakosis said: ↑

   I’m not even sure conversing with God can lead to perfect cognition. Enough folks who talk with God seem a bit off. You get cult leaders who are certain they are prophets and unfortunately enough people who follow their lead.

   Paarsurrey wrote:

   If converse between two human being could lead to cognition of one another; why converse between man and G-d cannot lead to perfect cognition of G-d by a human ?Please

   Regards

    
   Post #6

   Kirran said: ↑

   A human being is very different to God, in almost all interpretations and views. So to say that a human could have ‘cognition’ of (I take it you mean, be aware of the existence of) a human by talking to them, and then to extrapolate that the same must be true of God, doesn’t seem to hold true to me.

   Conversing with God, i.e. interacting with God, or feeling the presence of God, or however you’d like to put it, is necessarily a very distorted experience. According to some, it may even be a hallucination, or fooling oneself, etc.

   Lots of people believe themselves to have conversed with God. But so many of them come out of doing so saying God is different. They don’t all come out with the same experience.

   What’s more, to say ‘converse’ with God necessitates that God can consciously return one’s side of the conversation i.e. I talk to God, God talks back, is severely limiting the scope of this discussion by leaving out all the non-personal, or transpersonal, experiences and definitions of God, such as my own.

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   Paarsurrey wrote:

   We cannot generalize from some or many people having hallucinations to others who were not hallucinated.
   Very practical, normal and successful persons have had Converse with G-d.

   I don’t agree with you.

   Regards

    Post #8

   rusra02 said:

   I don’t think we could ever know the true God, unless he is willing to reveal himself to us. Happily, God has done this for us, IMO, as any loving father would to his children.

   Paarsurrey wrote :

   And that exactly He has done.

   Regards
   Post #11

   Kirran said: ↑

2. I would like some examples.

   Paarsurrey wrote :

   Like Muhammad a person of diverse pragmatic qualities who changed the wheel of history in the teeth of opposition by the powers that be in the world at that time.

   Regards

“God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!”

One is welcome to view my post <www.religiousforums.com> and comment on it even if one differs with me.

Post #544

Salvador said: ↑

The Biblical or Koranic myth of Adam and Eve would subsequently involve a story about incestuous relationships and inbred children!

Paarsurrey wrote : Please quote from Quran where incest between Adam and Eve has been mentioned.

Salvador said: ↑

Clearly now, you can see that the Bible should not always be taken as a word of revelation from the “One-True-God” nor should the Bible always be accepted as an ethical, moral or “spiritual” uplift.

Paarsurrey wrote :The Original Word of Revelation on Moses did have qualities of ethical, moral and spiritual uplift later when the clergy or narrators changed it to suit their whims, Bible lost such qualities. It is better, therefore, to focus on the core teachings of Bible and leave peripherals added later by the erring clergy.

Salvador said: ↑

The Bible makes a falsifiable assertion that everybody is descendant from a man and woman who lived together 6,000 years

Paarsurrey wrote :I agree with you that the inference from Bible “that everybody is descendant from a man and woman who lived together” in the past.

Salvador said: ↑

who lived together 6,000 years

Paarsurrey wrote :_____and the period of “6000 years” is a wrong inference from Bible, unless one quotes literally from Bible to have mentioned it.

Regards

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/god-recreated-the-earth-6-000-years-ago.174599/page-28#post-4277528

“Who caused Satan or the devil rebel”?

One may view my post on<www.religiousforums.com> and comment on it even if one differs with me.

Post #520

upperroom said: ↑

We know who caused Adam and Eve rebelled….the question about Who caused Satan to rebel is rather ignored or silent.
Yet there is much hype about the activity of Satan. It is true all power is in God, there is no power with out God.

The idea of Satan rebelling and being cast down, and now taking the position as an opposition against God is absurd. The question arises, can anyone or anything stand before the almighty.

It is my theory that the Satan and his angels are all part of Gods complete design, plan and purpose. Satan is playing his role in Gods plan and purpose.

The problem God has, is not with the role of Satan but the disobedient role of mankind.

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Paarsurrey wrote:Angels have been created for promoting good thoughts in humans.
Satan has been created for promoting evil thoughts in humans.
Humans decide as to what they have to do good or evil.
Satan was never an angel.
It is in nature of Satan to rebel.

Regards

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/who-caused-satan-or-the-devil-rebel.169462/page-26#post-4276441

People born of virgin mothers

Please view my post on < http://www.religiousforums.com > in the topic <If hypothetically a man actually did what Jesus did in the 1st century would it occur like the story> and comment on it if you may like to.

Post #74

jonathan180iq said: ↑

Oh please share with us the number of people in born from virgin mothers…

Paarsurrey wrote:Here are just 10 people born of a virgin in the ancient world:

• Buddha
• Krishna – born without a sexual union, by “mental transmission” from the mind of Vasudeva into the womb of Devaki, his mother.
• Odysseus
• Romulus
• Dionysus*
• Heracles – Son of a god (Zeus)
• Glycon – son of the God Apollo
• Zoroaster/Zarathustra
• Attis of Phrygia
• Horus

http://homebrewedchristianity.com/2…born-of-a-virgin-it-happened-a-lot-back-then/

Regards

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/if-hypothetically-a-man-actually-did-what-jesus-did-in-the-1st-century-would-it-occur-like-the-story.176584/page-4#post-4276106

Afoot on the path of religion

Please view Paarsurrey’s comments on the following blog for your valuable opinion:

“Doug’s Dribblings”
“Ideas, Not Dogmata”
http://dougsdribblings.blogspot.ca/
http://dougsdribblings.blogspot.ca/2014/03/ideas-not-dogmata.html

http://dougsdribblings.blogspot.ca/2014/03/ideas-not-dogmata.html?showComment=1394109109453#c3350643213745706393

Paarsurrey : March 6, 2014 at 7:31 AM

“First, I’m not big on proofs of God’s existence. For me it is more of an instinctive matter, suggested to my mind by the orderliness of the Cosmos. Second, I believe the human religious impulse is universal and that from the beginning of recorded time has been well documented. Third, I believe that there does exist something like an inner moral law that all healthy minds recognize. In other words, I might suggest that the so-called Golden Rule wasn’t created so much as discovered inside the conscience of every normal human psyche.”

The above are all good, reasonable and rational points.
Wish you good luck!