Absolute verities manifest in the Universe are attributes of ONE-God

Thread: “Did Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens ….?”
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paarsurrey1 wrote: Muslims don’t believe in Jesus-God or Holy-Spirit-God or that Jesus was son-of-God or that Mary was wife of God or that Jesus died on the Cross or that Jesus could forgive sins of the people. R—–1 wrote: The god that spoke to Muhammad was not the same one that spoke to Moses (Musa) and Jesus (Isa)? If portions of those books are false, all of the religions that I mentioned are effected. paarsurrey1 wrote: It is OK if he made some money by tricking the non-believers. As I already showed, money was not his goal. Why should we believe that the pursuit of truth was not his goal? Did he ever stray from that goal? Quote: The god that spoke to Muhammad was not the same one that spoke to Moses (Musa) and Jesus (Isa)? paarsurrey1 wrote: The One-True-God is ONE irrespective of whether one believes in Him or not. God of the Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism people is the same ONE, though they deny Him and though He does not Converse with them. The Absolute and positive verities found and manifest in the Universe are His attributes, these verities exist and everything else is under the concept of relativity having been bestowed temporary existence by Him. Please correct me if I am wrong. Right, please? Regards

Nobody has given any positive proofs and evidences that “G-d does not exist”

Please view and comment on my posts and or join interesting discussion on< www.religiousforums.com > under the topic .

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/your-best-argument-that-g-d-does-not-exist.176821/page-10#post-4289204

Post #165

NewGuyOnTheBlock said: ↑

There is no evidence to substantiate that such a being exists.

Paarsurrey wrote:

I gave attributes of G-d that I believe in in my post # 159. Please read it.
I also mentioned that He has communicated with human beings, in fact these attributes have been mentioned by Him in his communication to us.
Why not believe in Him?

Regards

9-10ths_Penguin liked  post # 159.

Post #182

NewGuyOnTheBlock said: ↑

I used to. Why not believe in him? Because I’ve been tricked like that before. The promises given were not fulfilled; which should be impossible for the god presented in the Abrahamic scriptures. My road from a religious fanatic to the unwavering atheist I am today was a journey that took over 20 years. I did not want to stop believing. With my life experiences, disbelief was inevitable. It was a very difficult and painful journey where I eventually ended up asking very basic questions; like; What does it mean:

• To be human?
• To live?
• To die?

And:

• If reality isn’t what I thought it was, then What is reality?
• How do I know good from evil?

And more.

No. I can not believe. I can not believe because belief is what led me to disbelief.

But thank you for what I perceive to be compassion on your part.

Paarsurrey wrote:

I am sorry to state that so far nobody has given any positive proofs and evidences as desired under the topic “Your best argument that G-d does not exist”.
All I get is just in an indirect way admission of our Atheistic friends here that it cannot be done. They have only tried to find faults in the believers which does not directly touch the topic.

Now your points in the post.

• As you have not been satisfied with the Theistic mind-set, and with your bitter experience has left believing in G-d the same way we find people who left Atheism and have fervently joined Theism with bitter experience in other side of the fence. This is an ongoing traffic from Theism to Atheism and from Atheism to Theism. While I understand your position, yet it does not make a good argument for others, you would realize.
• Search for truth is an ongoing process. We cannot convince anybody for sure, we can only help one with good arguments, the convincing part is to be done by the individual himself. There are no short-cuts.
• The rest of the questions, though very important as they are, yet are out of the purview of the topic at hand.

Thanks for the input. Wish you or others will bring out some positive proofs and evidences viz a viz “your best argument that G-d does not exist”.

Regards

No worst nonsense than Atheists accepting “God does not exist” without any proofs and evidences

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

http://anaivethinker.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/how-i-became-an-atheist/comment-page-1/#comment-219

paarsurrey | April 8, 2014 at 7:59 pm

@archaeopteryx1 | April 8, 2014 at 4:34 pm
“What you consider facts, I consider nonsense. ” Unquote

I think there is no worst nonsense than Atheists accepting “God does not exist” without any proofs and evidences they demand so often from others; they believe in “nothing” for nothing.

Regards

Atheism is asserted without evidence so it can be dismissed without evidence

Atheism being an extraordinary belief needs most extraordinary evidences

Hitchens’ razor cuts throat of Atheism.

Creationist Ken Ham versus the Truth

paarsurrey W Rick_K

Creationist Ken Ham versus the Truth

Please give your evidence that the One-True-God (Allah Yahweh Ahura-Mazda Parmeshwara Ishawara) does not exist; I won’t leave my present default natural position; unless there are strong evidence/s against it and I get convinced to it.

Rick_K @ paarsurrey

Creationist Ken Ham versus the Truth

And I won’t leave my belief that there is an incorporeal, invisible, magical dragon living in my garage unless you can prove it doesn’t exist.

And I will continue to believe you are a figment of my imagination and don’t actually exist until you can prove otherwise.

See how easy that is?

Here’s the deal, paarsurrey – extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You are making the claim about some intelligent superbeing who affects everything but is completely undetectable. That requires not only some evidence to be believed, but extraordinary evidence.
The burden of proof is on you, not us. You are welcome to assert that your particular flavor of deity exists. But to borrow from Mr. Hitchens: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

paarsurrey @ Rick_K

Creationist Ken Ham versus the Truth

I think Atheists claims are not only extraordinary but also weird instead of the one that I believe which is very natural and a default position.. As differing human beings the Atheists Agnostics Skeptics have a right to coexist though:

[109:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.,
[109:2] Say, ‘O ye disbelievers!
[109:3] ‘I worship not that which you worship;
[109:4] ‘Nor worship you what I worship.
[109:5] ‘And I am not going to worship that which you
worship;
[109:6] ‘Nor will you worship what I worship.
[109:7] ‘For you your religion, and for me my religion.’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/s&#8230;

Please refer to verse # [109:2] and verse # [109:7].

I think it would be most relevant about Atheism to say that atheistic claims are without evidence to start with hence no need to be believed as truthful.

I don’t hate Atheists .

I respect you.