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The act of Abraham sacrificing his son Ishmael never happened in literal and real terms

May 11, 2014

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/05/08/christian-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-15325

PAARSURREY says:

May 11, 2014 at 7:40 pm
@MAKAGUTU says:May 11, 2014 at 7:02 pm
“Paarsurrey, in the bible, it is recorded that Abe was asked by god to sacrifice his son. By your comment can we say that this retelling of the narrative is not factual or what is your stand?” Unquote

Bible is neither authored by Abraham nor by Moses. Its different books have been authored by anonymous narrators and the scribes. It is not the original Word of God in the original language revealed.

Dreams and visions are always or most often interpret-able.

It only meant that Abraham and his offspring shall have to face hardships in the path of God (Allah Yahweh Tao) and would have to devout their lives; in service of the humanity for its ethical, moral and spiritual uplift.

Abraham and Ishmael were sure about it from their experience with the One-True-God; they knew that the He won’t let them accomplish an unreasonable act; and would bring out reasonable solution of the matter.

And the act of Abraham sacrificing his son Ishmael never happened in literal and real terms.

Abraham and his progeny did devote their lives to the cause of religion and that is how it took place in real terms; and that is what one should focus on.

The matter of as to how to interpret such dreams and visions was settled for all times.

Regards

One-True-God; He is the Gracious the Merciful; very truly

March 19, 2014

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/the-omnimalevolent-creator-and-the-problem-of-good/
http://findingtruth.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/the-omnimalevolent-creator-and-the-problem-of-good/
http://findingtruth.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/the-omnimalevolent-creator-and-the-problem-of-good/#comment-8801

paarsurrey
March 19, 2014 at 5:14 pm

@Nate : March 12, 2014 at 9:30 am

Hi

“The problem this creates for Christianity, which is what eSell was saying, is that the Bible has set bounds for God: all-good, all-knowing, all-powerful, wants all to be saved, etc. These characteristics run completely counter to the world we see around us.”

The concept of the attributes of the One-True-God is in line with what, I think, you have described.
Over all He is the *Gracious the *Merciful and hence the introductory verse in the beginning of Quran has been repeated in the start of almost every chapter of Quran.

*[1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=1

And He has set scheme of evolution in such a way that life is meant to receive due rewards from Him if one does positive or good deeds, else one suffers. He mention that “He has taken upon Himself to show **mercy”.

**[6:13] Say, ‘To whom belongs what is in the heavens and the earth?’ Say, ‘To Allah.’ He has taken upon Himself to show mercy. He will certainly continue to assemble you till the Day of Resurrection. There is no doubt in it. Those who ruin their souls will not believe.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=6&verse=12

As the One-True-God bestowed consciousness or life to us drawing it out from death (annihilation or from a state of non-being to the state of a being); as a shadow of his unblemished attributes; if we sin due to temptation, we have to suffer.

The reward being everlasting (Heaven) the punishment (hell) is relatively also for a long time. The shadow or the evil temptation has been named as Devil or Satan for our understanding. Like we humans name typhoons. Everybody knows that a typhoon or a cyclone is not a living being; if I have correctly understood.

How is a typhoon named?
http://www.cwb.gov.tw/V7e/knowledge/encyclopedia/ty005.htm

One may like to read the following essay on “The Question of Suffering” by Mirza Tahir Ahmad

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_2_section_6.html

Many of the attributes of the One-True-God (Allah Yahweh Ahura-Mazda Parmeshawara Ishawara) are therefore expressed in reciprocals for our understanding. All work within the bigger circle of The Gracious and The Merciful; with perfect cohesion.

Thanks and regards

Instead of changing themselves as per Jesus; Christians change Jesus according to their wishes

March 13, 2014

Please view Paarsurrey comments on the blog “Is there a God?” for your valuable opinion, even if you differ.

“Is there a God?”
“Welcome to atheists (and others)”
http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/#comment-8809

paarsurrey
MAR 13, 2014 @ 12:15:40

@MyGoatyBeard: MAR 11, 2014 @ 22:33:06, MAR 13, 2014 @ 07:13:29

In response to :[But Paarsurrey is happy to quote the verses from Matthew that he likes, but doesn’t respond to the other verses I mention in Matthew that speak of Jesus:-
1. being worshipped. . . . . . . .Matthew 15:25]

Paarsurrey says:

Christians should follow acts and deeds of Jesus; he introduced no new form of worship; he and his mother Mary never went to a Church; they used to go in the synagogues and followed what was done there. Jews worship none but Yahweh as told by Moses in the OT.

Christians of different denominations are used to changing the text of the Bible and they make it to suit to their beliefs:

Matthew 15:25

21Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
27“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
28Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
http://biblehub.com/niv/matthew/15.htm
21 aJesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of bTyre and bSidon.
22 And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, aSon of David; my daughter is cruelly bdemon-possessed.”
23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting1at us.”
24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to athe lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
25 But she came and abegan 1to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”
26 And He answered and said, “It is not 1good to take the children’sbread and throw it to the dogs.”
27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; 1but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”
28 Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, ayour faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed 1at once.

http://biblia.com/books/nasb95/Mt15.20

There is no mention of any worship in Matthew 15:25.

Instead of changing their beliefs and making them in conformity with the core teachings of Jesus and Moses and the prophets; they change Jesus and try to shape him as per their wishes.

Thanks

Atheism is asserted without evidence so it can be dismissed without evidence

January 18, 2014

Atheism being an extraordinary belief needs most extraordinary evidences

Hitchens’ razor cuts throat of Atheism.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2014/01/creationist-ken-ham-versus-the-truth/#comment-1197434041

paarsurrey W Rick_K

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2014/01/creationist-ken-ham-versus-the-truth/#comment-1197316210

Please give your evidence that the One-True-God (Allah Yahweh Ahura-Mazda Parmeshwara Ishawara) does not exist; I won’t leave my present default natural position; unless there are strong evidence/s against it and I get convinced to it.

Rick_K @ paarsurrey

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2014/01/creationist-ken-ham-versus-the-truth/#comment-1197434041

And I won’t leave my belief that there is an incorporeal, invisible, magical dragon living in my garage unless you can prove it doesn’t exist.

And I will continue to believe you are a figment of my imagination and don’t actually exist until you can prove otherwise.

See how easy that is?

Here’s the deal, paarsurrey – extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You are making the claim about some intelligent superbeing who affects everything but is completely undetectable. That requires not only some evidence to be believed, but extraordinary evidence.
The burden of proof is on you, not us. You are welcome to assert that your particular flavor of deity exists. But to borrow from Mr. Hitchens: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

paarsurrey @ Rick_K
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2014/01/creationist-ken-ham-versus-the-truth/#comment-1198425763

I think Atheists claims are not only extraordinary but also weird instead of the one that I believe which is very natural and a default position.. As differing human beings the Atheists Agnostics Skeptics have a right to coexist though:

[109:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.,
[109:2] Say, ‘O ye disbelievers!
[109:3] ‘I worship not that which you worship;
[109:4] ‘Nor worship you what I worship.
[109:5] ‘And I am not going to worship that which you
worship;
[109:6] ‘Nor will you worship what I worship.
[109:7] ‘For you your religion, and for me my religion.’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/s…

Please refer to verse # [109:2] and verse # [109:7].

I think it would be most relevant about Atheism to say that atheistic claims are without evidence to start with hence no need to be believed as truthful.

I don’t hate Atheists .

I respect you.

Atheists! Do you have any evidences that the One-True-God does not exists?

January 12, 2014

Dan Wilkinson has written a post on the “Patheos” blog on January 9, 2014 titled “Creationist Ken Ham versus the Truth”; the post could be viewed by the viewers of Paarsurrey blog at the following link:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2014/01/creationist-ken-ham-versus-the-truth/

I have contributed many comments on the post; some of them have already been published in my blog “paarsurrey” together with the comments of those who have commented on my comments; yet more are given below for the benefit of the viewers of this blog and the public:

paarsurrey @ Mike De Fleuriot

I believe in the One-True-God very naturally; like I believe in me and my mother and father. I am an ordinary man in the street; with no claim to piety or scholarship. I do have a right to live my life as others have theirs. It is quite natural and reasonable for me to continue believing as such till somebody convinces me otherwise with observations and evidences.
If you have any evidences that the One-True-God does not exists; and that I and my mother and father never existed; you may like to present such evidences; yet under no compulsion from me.
Regards

Rick_K @ paarsurrey

You have evidence for a mother and father that cannot be justified through any other explanation. The same cannot be said of your evidence for God.
If you were born not in a western country in the 20th Century but instead you were born in the highlands of New Guinea in the 14th Century, you would feel just as confident of the pantheon of animal spirits and tribe-specific deities as you are currently confident of the One True God. And again, that belief of those deities would be based on evidence very different from the evidence of your parents.
I’m just sayin’….

paarsurrey @ Rick_K

Please give your evidence that the One-True-God (Allah Yahweh Ahura-Mazda Parmeshwara Ishawara) does not exist; I won’t leave my present default natural position; unless there are strong evidence/s against it and I get convinced to it.

Religions of Krishna or Buddha are also included in the concept of the Truthful Religion

January 9, 2014

Glimpses of discussion with Atheists; please, click the following link for original discussion:

http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/did-jews-borrow-greek-myths-3-examples/#comment-122209
Topic “Did Jews Borrow Greek Myths: 3 examples”

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/did-jews-borrow-greek-myths-3-examples/

paarsurrey

01/09/2014 at 3:44 pm
Quoting the words of Takis Konstantopoulos
01/09/2014 at 12:06 pm
“Do you mean to say that the gods of all monotheistic religions (Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam–maybe there are more, I don’t know) are identical?”

Whichever the revealed religion is and in whatever part of the world it is located; I mean all of them.
Religions of Krishna or Buddha are also included in the concept of the Truthful Religion.

Takis Konstantopoulos
01/09/2014 at 3:57 pm
You are welcome. Thanks for replying. Unfortunately, I don’t understand what you are saying. Is it true then that Vishnu, Shiva, Brahma, Apollo and Yahweh are identical?

Sabio Lantz
01/09/2014 at 4:05 pm
@ Takis (& paarsurrey),
paarsurrey is a theist (albeit a broadly inclusivist sort) who is talking to a bunch of atheists (most of my readers) as if we believe in a theistic god and we don’t. I think his form of Islam believes that all other religions but his religion has corrupt scripture (actually, this is orthodox Islam too), but he is willing to say the original teachings of the ‘great religions’ is true but now corrupt. That way they can pretend to be inclusive, but they really aren’t. A very tricky more, in my book. But either way, us atheists don’t find any traction in any of the theist arguments: inclusivists, pseudo-inclusivists, or exclusivists. I would like to see paarsurrey talk to us as if he recognizes our beliefs — whether he disagrees or not.

paarsurrey
01/09/2014 at 4:05 pm
The original revelation on Krishna could be entirely different from what people now believe; one should not be mislead by that.

This is due to the verbal transmission.

Jesus was a Jew and concurred with Moses on belief in One-True-God Yahweh; yet the modern Christians don’t follow Jesus’ teachings and believe in Trinity invented by Paul.

It is not difficult to understand, I think.

paarsurrey
01/09/2014 at 4:09 pm
@ Sabio Lantz 01/09/2014 at 4:05 pm

I think I am already talking. Am I not?

Takis Konstantopoulos
01/09/2014 at 4:12 pm
I think I understand. There is one god, let’s call her (or him?) G. This G revealed “the truth” to “the righteous ones” at “some point of time.” But then his (or her) message was corrupted and people started revering all kinds of deities. Because of the passage of time, the diversion became greater and greater. This is why, at the present time, there are mutually incompatible beliefs.

OK, I get it.

Please let me know if my syllogism is a correct interpretation of your last post.

But then, I have a further question. I arrive at this world endowed with no religion and no beliefs whatsoever. At some point in my life I decide to pick a religion. Which one should I pick?

paarsurrey
01/09/2014 at 4:32 pm
I think you have understood me correctly.
You should search yourself and join the Truthful Religion wherever you find it:

[29:70] And as for those who strive in Our path — We will surely guide them in Our ways. And verily Allah is with those who do good.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=29&verse=69

Takis Konstantopoulos
01/09/2014 at 4:58 pm
To clarify: I don’t mean to say that the particular passage from the Quran is corrupt–that I don’t know–but that, for sure (you agreed on that), there are corruptions in the Quran or whichever other texts Muslims use. Right?

paarsurrey
01/09/2014 at 6:44 pm
@Takis Konstantopoulos 01/09/2014 at 4:58 pm
Quoting your words:
(you agreed on that) Unquote

Please quote my words.

Jesus?

July 27, 2013

Paarsurrey says:


“For most Christians belief in God and belief in Jesus may be the same sort of belief because of the inclinations of Christian theology, but the beliefs are, in truth, different. ”
I agree with your above words in the start of your post; that belief in Jesus as a god is different; he never claimed to be a god.
Jesus was a Jew and he believed in Yahweh whom he used to address as God-the-Father.

Belief in one God is the original position or the Norm

May 15, 2013

Please view Paarsurrey’s four posts in the thread “The true religion invites comparison” in the discussion forum < http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/146855-true-religion-invites-comparison-11.html >

Paarsurrey says:

Post #96

Belief in one God is the original position.

Post #102

When they fall from the original position they resort to becoming mythical or superstitious and make many gods or they deny the one true God.

Belief in one God is the norm; it is the middle position or on the middle path.

Post  #104

Man has been created with a purpose of life; to that end God provided guidance through perfect men called messengers prophets; God conversed with them and told them about himself.

God could have different names in different people in their own languages with the same attributes; Allah, Yahweh, Brahma, Isana, Ahura Mazda etc. We find traces of such Converse in almost all regions of the world, even in the aborigines of Australia , America.
This is one true God.

Post  #107

Evolution of humans is with a purpose. When man reached a stage fit to receive express guidance from the one true God; man was bestowed Converse

with the one true God. “Adam” or whatever name of that human being in the language of the people; he was addressed by Him and told of that Being and His attributes.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

One could comment on the forum or here on this blog; my pleasure.


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