All holy attributes belong to Allah; Jesus was only His worshipper

The Promised Messiah 1835-1908 says:

God commences the Holy Qur’an with the following verse which is contained in surah al-Fatihah:
The Holy Quran : Chapter 1: Al-Fatihah

[1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,

That is, all perfect and holy attributes belong exclusively to Allah, Who is the Lord of all the worlds.

The word ‘alam comprises all different peoples, all different ages and all the different countries. The commencement of the Holy Qur’an with this verse was designed to counter the views of such people as attempted to monopolise God’s unlimited providence for their own nation and imagined that the other nations did not belong to God or that having created these other people, God discarded them as being of no consequence, or else perhaps they were shelved to oblivion by Him, or (God forbid) they were not even created by Him.

To illustrate this further, we refer to the view of the Jews and the Christians, still commonly held by them, that all the Prophets and Messengers of God belonged only to the House of Israel, and that God completely ignored the religious and spiritual requirements of other people, as though He were displeased with them and that, despite finding them in manifest error and ignorance, He showed least concern for their spiritual welfare. As is also written in the Gospels that Jesus Christ (peace be on him) observed that he had been sent only for the lost sheep of Israel.

Impossible as it is, yet by way of argument let us assume that Jesusas did claim to be God. In that case, for him to confine his beneficence to such a small circle as the House of Israel does not behove the magnanimity of God. Had he been God, was he God only for the House of Israel to the exclusion of all other nations? He is known to have suggested that he had no concern for those who did not belong to the House of Israel.
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew, 15:24)

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Neither Jesus himself rose from the dead , literally and physically; nor anyone else ever

TC ROBINSON Says:
Sat Jul 12, 2008

http://newleaven.com/2008/07/12/they-will-not-be-convinced-even-if-someone-rises-from-the-dead/

They will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.

paarsurrey says:
on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 8:26 pm

Hi

This may interest you.

Jesus did not die on Cross. Please don’t mind. In my opinion he survived death on Cross, as he promised to show sign of Jonah. And Jonah entered the belly of fish alive, remained alive in the belly of the fish and came out alive from the belly of the fish. Similarly Jesus entered the tomb where he was laid after he was delivered from the Cross, in a precarious condition but nevertheless alive. Jesus remained alive in the tomb and came out of it alive.

Since Jesus never died on the Cross, there is no question of his resurrection from the dead.

This has been proved by the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 from several arguments from the Quran, NTBible and the medical books and the history.

Second Coming has already taken place in the form of the PromisedMessiah1835-1908 as was prophesised in the scriptures.

Kindly visit my blogsite for your comments and/or discussions on the posts/pages there if you like. Differing opinions are also welcome.

I love Jesus, Mary and Muhammad.

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BelieverByFaith says:
on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 1:49 pm

This is in response to the comment by paarsurrey. I am not sure on why this idea is commended by many Non-Christians today. I feel, this is just an escape route to sway away from accepting the concept of resurrection.

History has verified the death of Jesus Christ and same are the tomb and clothes that embodied Christ. Additionally John 19:34, verifies that a Soldier pierced a side of Jesus “…bringing a sudden flow of blood and water”. This would have ensured the death on the cross and cannot be alive under any noted “precarious condition”.

Again, I am not sure on any authenticity to “Promised Messiah 1835-1908″ information. There are many who have made such claims and History doesn’t remember them anymore. It so happens that the entire History has a different view on Christ’s death and resurrection, against the view of my friend!

Paarsurrey says:

Hi my Christian friend, BelieverByFaith!

If you say that you believe that Jesus died a cursed deatg on Cross simply out of blind faith and because the biased Christian Church has made to belief you in this; this is understandable to me. But to say that history has ever had any evidence of Jesus dying on Cross; sorry, that is not there.

There is also no proof from secular history of anybody rising from the medically and physically dead. This is only a Christian fiction neither a fact nor a historical and medical reality.

There is no evidence of secular history in this regard. If you have any, please, present it here.

The evidence of history is against Jesus dying on Cross my friend.

I love Jesus, Mary and Muhammad.

Thanks

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Muslims and Hindus should become limbs of the same body

Promised Messiah 1835-1908 Says:

O my Almighty God, my Beloved Guide! Show us the path which leads the righteous and the sincere to Thee. And save us from treading the path which leads to carnal desires, malice, spite and worldly pursuits.

Having done that, I now draw your attention to the following: notwithstanding the hundreds of differences between us, Muslims and Hindus alike share one thing incommon, i.e., we all believe in God, the Creator and Master of the Universe. Also, we belong to the same denomination of God’s species and are referred to as humans. Furthermore, as inhabitants of the same country, we are mutual neighbours.

This requires that we become friends to each other, with purity of heart and sincerity of intentions. We should dispose kindly to each other and be mutually helpful. In the difficulties pertaining to religious and worldly matters, we should exercise such sympathy towards each other as if we have become limbs of the same body.

My countrymen! A religion which does not inculcate universal compassion is no religion at all. Similarly, a human being without the faculty of compassion is no human at all. Our God has never discriminated between one people and another. This is illustrated by the fact that all the potentials and capabilities which have been granted to the Aryans have also been granted to the races inhabiting Arabia, Persia, Syria, China, Japan, Europe and America. The earth created by God provides a common floor for all people alike, and His sun and moon and many stars are a source of radiance and provide many other benefits to all alike. Likewise, all peoples benefit from the elements created by Him, such as air, water, fire and earth, and similarly from other products created by Him like grain, fruit, and healing agents, etc.

These attributes of God teach us the lesson that we, too, should behave magnanimously and kindly towards our fellow human beings and should not be petty of heart and illiberal.

Friends! Take it as certain that if either of our two nations would not treat God’s attributes with respect and will not shape its conduct in accordance with the conduct of God, then, that nation will soon be wiped out from the face of the earth. Not only will it destroy itself but it will also jeopardize the future of its generations to come. The righteous of all ages have testified that following God’s ways works like an elixir for the people. Moreover the survival, both physical and spiritual, of human beings depends on the same eternal truth that man should follow the virtuous attributes of God Who is the Fountainhead of all that is essential for survival.

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Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel; not to gentiles as held by Paul

Promised Messiah says:

Let it be noted that though Christians believe that Jesus (peace be on him) after his arrest through the betrayal by Judas Iscariot, and crucifixion — and resurrection — went to heaven, yet, from the Holy Bible, it appears that this belief of theirs is altogether wrong. Matthew (chapter 12, verse 40) says that just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, so the Son of Man shall be three days and three nights in the bowels of the earth. Now it is clear that Jonah did not die in the belly of the fish; the utmost that happened was that he was in a swoon or a fit of fainting.

The holy books of God bear witness that Jonah, by the grace of God, remained alive in the belly of the fish, and came out alive; and his people ultimately accepted him. If then Jesus (on whom be peace) had died in the belly of the ‘fish’, what resemblance could there be between a dead man and the one who was alive, and how could a living one be compared with one dead? The truth rather is, that as Jesus was a true prophet and as he knew that God, whose beloved he was, would save him from an accursed death, he made a prophecy in the form of a parable, revealed to him by God, in which he hinted that he would not die on the Cross, nor would he give up the ghost on the accursed wood; on the contrary, like the prophet Jonah, he would only pass through a state of swoon.

In the parable he had also hinted that he would come out of the bowels of the earth and would then join the people and, like Jonah, would be honoured by them. So this prophecy too was fulfilled; for Jesus, coming out of the bowels of the earth, went to his tribes who lived in the eastern countries, Kashmir and Tibet, etc. viz. the ten tribes of the Israelites who 721 years before Jesus, had been taken prisoner from Samaria by Shalmaneser, King of Assur, and had been taken away by him.

Ultimately, these tribes came to India and settled in various parts of that country. Jesus at all events must have made this journey; for the divine object underlying his advent was that he should meet the lost Jews who had settled in different parts of India; the reason being that these in fact were the lost sheep of Israel who had given up even their ancestral faith in these countries, and most of whom had adopted Buddhism, relapsing, gradually into idolatry. Dr. Bernier, on the authority of a number of learned people, states in his Travels that the Kashmiris in reality are Jews who in the time of the dispersal in the days of the King of Assur had migrated to this country.

In any case it was necessary for Jesus (peace be on him) to find out the whereabouts of these lost sheep, who had, on coming to this country, India, become merged into the other people. I shall presently adduce evidence that Jesus (peace be on him) did in fact come to India and then, by stages, travelled to Kashmir, and discovered the lost sheep of Israel among the people who professed the Buddhist faith and that these people ultimately accepted him, just as the people of the prophet Jonah accepted Jonah. And this was inevitable, for Jesus had said in so many words that he had been sent to the lost sheep of Israel.
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch1.html

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Release the non-believers as a favour or by taking ransom: Quranic verse

The Holy Quran : Chapter 47: Muhammad

[47:5] And when you meet in regular battle those who disbelieve, smite their necks; and, when you have overcome them, by causing great slaughter among them, bind fast the fetters – then afterwards either release them as a favour or by taking ransom – until the war lays down its burdens. That is the ordinance. And if Allah had so pleased, He could have punished them Himself, but He has willed that He may try some of you by others. And those who are killed in the way of Allah – He will never render their works vain.
http://www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?ch=47

One should note always to understand a verse with its context. Sometimes people only mention a syllable and hence misunderstand the sentence. I would like such people to adopt the right approach and always read some versed before and after the verse they want to understand. That would be a wise and peaceful approach

This verse mentions of Jehad in the way of Allah and its central theme. First it is mentioned that those tribes who had waged war againts the believers; they are to be subdued, arrested and and bound vigouriously but not harmed bodily; till such time that the war gets finished. When the war is finished then the Prisoners of War are to be released, after taking ransom if they could pay it; and if they cannot pay it even then they are to be set free without the ransom money on humanitarian basis, and that is appreciated and is considere a virtue.

Those who maintain that the concept of Islamic war is to convert others to Islam forcibly are totally wrong and their thinking is refuted here; this verse rejects their contention. This was the proper time when it should have been instructed to convert these POWs to Islam but there is no such instruction to do. This verse does not mention. On the other hand it rather says that they who had been subdued and arrested should be released, even if they don’t pay any ransom.

Now I give hereunder the verse in a connected context:

[47:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[47:2] Those who disbelieve and hinder men from the way of Allah – He renders their works vain.
[47:3] But as for those who believe and do righteous deeds and believe in that which has been revealed to Muhammad – and it is the truth from their Lord – He removes from them their sins and sets right their affairs.
[47:4] That is because those who disbelieve follow falsehood while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord. Thus does Allah set forth for men their lessons by similitudes.
[47:5] And when you meet in regular battle those who disbelieve, smite their necks; and, when you have overcome them, by causing great slaughter among them, bind fast the fetters – then afterwards either release them as a favour or by taking ransom – until the war lays down its burdens. That is the ordinance. And if Allah had so pleased, He could have punished them Himself, but He has willed that He may try some of you by others. And those who are killed in the way of Allah – He will never render their works vain.
[47:6] He will guide them to success and will improve their condition.
[47:7] And will admit them into the Garden which He has made known to them.
[47:8] O ye who believe! if you help the cause of Allah, He will help you and will make your steps firm.
[47:9] But those who disbelieve, perdition is their lot; and He will make their works vain.
[47:10] That is because they hate what Allah has revealed; so He has made their works vain.
http://www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?ch=47

One could see that the Prisoners of War (POWs) are dealt with humanly and rationally as per the prevalent world conventions, rather better than that.

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Jesus was not put in a grave after the event of Crucifixion

My Christian friend richmaffeobooks said:

“This question of the Real Presence, for me, revolves around the concept of the timelessness of eternity. I look at it this way, from our perspective, Jesus died some 2,000 years ago. But from God’s perspective (because He is outside time and space) Jesus is STILL on the cross, (and He has not yet gone to the cross), because time is not linear in eternity. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever because He is outside of linear time.”

Paarsurrey said:

I think this must be your opinion only. JesusYeshuaIssa, as you know according to Holger Kersten, a German Scholar did not die on Cross but he died a natural and peaceful death in Sirinagar, Kashmir, India at the age of 120 years ( not 33 years as is commonly believed). Now he is resting in the heavens as did Moses, he died and got buried and now he is resting in the heavens.

Also now Jesus’ Second Coming has taken place in the form of the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908, so in my opinion, relevance of all such ideas doesn’t remain valid.

You say “Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever because He is outside of linear time”. Kindly give straight passages from OTBible in support of your this claim and also for the reason , if any.

Please don’t mind, I respect your faith.

Thanks

Antother Cahtolic friend adrift said:

“If this were true, which it is not, it would make Jesus a liar.”
Quote:
“Also now Jesus’ Second Coming has taken place in the form of the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908, so in my opinion, relevance of all such ideas doesn’t remain valid.
There is no such thing as reincarnation this cannot be true.”

”Opinion should be based on truth.”

Paarsurrey said:

Hi

I respect your faith. I don’t blame you, but the common man in your faith has been made to believe certain things which are not actually there. For instance, Jesus was never put in a grave, but you believe that he was put in a grave where even a healthy man whether one was earlier put on Cross or not would die. Jesus did not get resurrected from a grave, as he was never buried in grave.

He was laid in a tomb, which was spacious enough to accommodate two/three persons, it had a bigger opening which could be termed as a door and a smaller one that could be termed as a ventilator so that Jesus does not get suffocated there. This seems to be well thought of secret plan of Pilate who had held Jesus innocent and did not want that he should be killed on cross. Nicodimus, the physician brought an unusual quantity of herbs (fragrances) which were ingredients of a miraculous ointment later known in the ancient medical books as Ointment of Jesus or Ointment of Disciples which were applied on his body. Jesus was laid unconscious in the tomb but with this treatment he got cured in due course of time; and that fulfilled the Sign of Jonah of which Jesus had prophesized. So that is perhaps the reality of the events, I think.

You have the right to differ with me and you are welcome.

Jesus’ Second Coming 1835-1908 is not that his spirit has entered literally in the body of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the PromisedMessiah. This is not our concept, which would be much of a concept of Hinduism or Buddhism. Our concept is that as Jesus came into Judaism which were divided into many a cruel and hardened sects and Jesus was sent to soften them and unite them under his peaceful teachings, so is the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 to work for unity of faiths/denominations/religions of the world with peaceful means; well you can uderstand that this is not a smaller job.I think you agree with me. It is not difficult to understand.

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Somebody please quote from the Bible; a specific verse of protection from corruption

Hi

Did Jesus receive Word from GodAllahYHWH or not?

If he received and he used to secure it, naturally; where is that? I am not talking about the NT; it was definitely added later, but it does not consist of Revelation, it is as our Christian friends say an inspiration at the most, if proved, and not Word from the mouth of God.

I don’t have to blame Catholics for the addition of six books (or some say it is 13 books) in the Bible; but it is what the Protestants or JWs and so many other Christian denominations hold.

Now some people insist that this warning of being cut off from the tree of life is only for the Book of Revelation and not for the whole NTBible or the whole OTBible+NTBible. I don’t believe this as I can’t find any other verse/s for the security of Bible from corruption except this lone verse, otherwise you know the JWs would have put up that before me when they visited me.They are very smart in this respect if you have any experience with them.

One of my Catholic friends has quoted a verse from the Bible to defend that the Catholic Bible is protected.

Here is the quote from the Bible that give the assurance to followers that the Catholic Churhc God will always protect the Catholic Church…. This includes the Bible as the Bible is a Catholic document.
And I also, I say unto thee that thou art Peter, and on this rock I will build my assembly, and hades’ gates shall not prevail against it.” [Mathew 16:18]

Now this is clearly a case of circular argument. All Catholic documents were written after when Jesus disappeared from Galilee and went to India. There is no proof that Jesus ever said that to Peter.

Moreover the above quote does not specifically mention of the security of bible and its protection as does the quote of Revelation, I think one would agree with me in this respect.

So bible is not covered under the protection clause of Revelation, which is obvious even otherwise.

The quote also makes no mention of the Catholic Church. Does it? I think it is a guess of the Catholics only. The guesses never make facts. I would request my Christian friends to please mention a specific verse for protection and security of Bible from Bible OT&NT; otherwise it would be free for all the denominations to add or take out anything from the Bible.

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word-of-god

Christians only know a partial life account of Jesus

I made following comments on the write-up on following blog:
http://thirsting4wisdom.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/inevitable/#comments

paarsurrey Says:
June 16, 2008 at 4:48 am

Hi
Peace
I respect your faith.
If you want that the people should know the truthful account of Jesus’ life and his teachings; I think it would be better to get introduced to the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 in whose metaphoric form the SecondComing has taken place, in my opinion.
You could happily differ with me.
Kindly visit my blogsite for interesting posts there and for a peaceful discussion if you like.
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thirsting4wisdom Says:
July 1, 2008 at 1:45 am

I’m not sure what you are referring to but I would like to know. I think that the best way to find out about Jesus is to go to the source and talk to Him one on one because He is alive. Most people have a hard time with that or aren’t sure if they can discern His voice so I would recommend going straight to Scripture instead of a commentary or other source. Reading the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) are an accounting of the life of Jesus by those who walked, talked, ate and lived with Him. That would be the best way to understand who Jesus was and is.

paarsurrey Says:
Hi thirsting4wisdom !

Jesus went in exile to India from Galilee after the event of Crucifixtion. Jesus died in Sirinagar, Kashmir, India; a natural and peaceful death. He did not take Matthew, Mark, Luke and John with him to India; so they cannot be a source of full account of Jesus’ life. Jesus is not alive today, so one cannot talk to him.

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innumerable mistakes made by the Church

Hi

There are no specific verses of GodAllahYHWH in OT/NTBible protecting these books from additions or taking away something from them. So it was logical for the writer of Revelation to mention a warning in this regard, according to some, only to cover his book and not the rest of books collected together and bound in to be called NTBible.

So the authority of Church unless it would have been mentioned clearly in the revelation of GodAllahYHWH on Jesus in so many words seems vulnerable, and is, in my opinion, only a made up story by the Church to establish its hegemony over the followers. I think it is not more than that, and that might be the reason of Luther protesting against the abusive authority of the Catholic Church.

To sum up we could safely conclude that it is the CatholicChurch which gathered together all of the religious writings of the early Christians and decided arbitrarily which of those writing was inspired by God and they thought was just good for Christians to read.

If one person could make mistakes, then a group of persons could make as many mistakes as there are persons in that group, which could mean innumerable mistakes could be made by the ChurchPeople, so there remains neither a question of Revelation from God nor Inspiration from God from my point of view. The ChurchPeople are never innocent people, they are sinful persons like any other persons; they are not immune from sins, history is full of that. So, neither GodAllahYHWH is involved in this work, nor JesusYeshuaIssa.It is a weird thing indeed. I think it is for such reasons that the Protestants thought of registering a protest. I am clear about that.

But alas! In this Catholic and Protestant strife, the original Word of GodAllahYHWH revealed on JesusYeshuaIssa which he used to read himself has been lost altogether.

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Jesus never added anything in Torah or took away anything from it

Hi

In my opinion JesusYeshuaIssa was a subordinate ProphetMessenger of Moses and of his Book called Torah. JesusYeshuaIssa, therefore, never added and was not authorised to add anything in Torah or take away anything from Torah. Except for the words Jesus himself spoke, which are in fact in support of Torah. Almost all of what has been collected and bound by the Church and called NTBible and followed by the Catholics / Protestants, is in my opinion an addition to Torah or taking away something from Torah under one pretex or the other. Jesus is not responsible for all these made up things in his name.

Please stick to your own opinion, no compulsion.

I respect your faith.

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