Archive for the ‘Issa’ Category

Jesus never died a cursed death on Cross; he survived

January 30, 2010

Brendalee wrote:

Please point me to the contemporary documents from Jesus’ time, that tell the story of Jesus going off to India so I may read it for myself

I love Isa and Miriam as mentioned in Bible

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Brendalee

Please read the book “Jesus in India” written by the Second Coming, the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 by accessing Ahmadiyya Official Website> library> books> Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. It is available online; please google for it.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.


Jesus never had any girlfriends; why should the others have?

November 9, 2009

planck wrote:

Okay, I’ll agree with you. The Quran is the word of God…for sure. I’ll accept that.

Now, what does that mean for me? Can I beat my wife/girlfriend as is God’s word in 4:34? Can I start waging war on the infidels….as is God’s word in 9:29? Am I not supposed to take Christians and Jews as friends? Am I supposed to believe that the Jews are children of Apes and Pigs…..all that good stuff?

How soon can I start a jihad on the kafirs? How soon should I start transforming my great country and implement sharia law, just like Saudi Arabia?

If the Quran is the word of God, then God is a terrible writer.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend Planck

I thank you for accepting Quran as the word of the Creator- God Allah YHWH. It is indeed very natural to accept that fact.

You don’t have to start now doing anything mentioned by you:

1. You don’t have to beat your wife; Muhammad never did that.
2. You don’t have to wage war on the infidels. That was allowed only for a limited time due to the persecution of Muslims by the infidels. It is no more valid in the present scenario as prophesized by Muhammad himself. The Promised Messiah 1835-1908- Imam Mahdi has abolished such killings and explained the concept of Jihad from Quran.
3. One cannot have any girlfriends to have sex with; Jesus never had any girlfriends, why should the others do such things. One should be sincere with the girls, and if one wants, one could marry anyone of them.
4. You can have surely good Jews and good Christians as your friends; only at the time of war that was prohibited and cautioned. Please read #2 above.
5. Jews and Christians of our times are human beings; must be respected and loved as anyone else. They are not monkeys or pigs; who told you that?
6. You can read Quran and after understanding its logical and reasonable arguments and with your good character; you could convince others for the truth of Quran/Islam/Muhammad; that is the concept of Jihad.
7. There is no Sharia Law named in Quran; that might be the concept of Saudi Arabia, only. Saudi Arabia do not represent Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

Quran is a Word from the Merciful and Beneficent Creator – God Allah YHWH.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Digging up the Saudi past: some would rather not

September 3, 2009


There is an interesting article published in the The Star, ‎Toronto. The Saudi stance has been very narrow ‎one.Islam/Quran/Muhammad are open for everybody, based on ‎profound brilliant reasons/arguments. There is no artifact ‎which endagers them; rather it provides an excellent ‎opportunity to win the hearts and minds of the world with ‎its brilliant arguments. It is good to know that the Saudis ‎are revising its conservative policies.‎

Quran mentions of Madain or Madyan of Saleh and also of ‎Thamud; the discoveries support the Quran.‎


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Peace and unity would be restored in and with all ‎revealed religions by understanding of ‎Quran as rationally and logically stated by the Promised Messiah/ Imam Mahdi

July 10, 2009‎peace/comment-page-1/#comment-16947‎

‎4. paarsurrey Says:
July 11th, 2009 at 12:23 am ‎

Hi friends

Muhammad, the chief of all Messengers/Prophets, himself prophesized degradation of ‎‎Muslims at a distant future time; and that was described by him as a sign of the advent of ‎‎Masih, Messiah, Issa, Jesus, Christ, Ibne Maryam and the Imam Mahdi; the reformer of ‎‎all revealed religions.

The advent of the above meaningful names has taken place in the form of Mirza Ghulam ‎‎Ahmad 1835-1908.

Muhammad’s prophecy has been fulfilled and everybody is a witness to it.

All human beings are just a family; love for all, hatred for none.‎

Peace and unity would be restored in and with all ‎revealed religions by understanding of ‎Quran as rationally and logically stated by him.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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Muhammad prophesized about advent of the Promised Messiah (Issa, Ibne ‎Maryam, ‎Jesus Christ, Imam Mahdi) from amongst his true followers

July 10, 2009

‎17. Moooo Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:04 am ‎

Hmmm, can you show us that this Ghulam (Ahmad 1835-1908, the Promised Messiah, ‎the Imam Mahdi) fellow was really a successor of Muhammad? Show us the verses that ‎talk about messiah.‎
‎“So Islam would be number one religion this way in the West (including America), I ‎believe.”

22. paarsurrey Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

In my opinion, almost all denominations of Muslims believe that Imam Mahdi or the ‎Promised Messiah would be a follower successor of Muhammad.‎
Muhammad had himself prophesized about advent of the Promised Messiah (Issa, Ibne ‎Maryam, Jesus Christ, Imam Mahdi) from amongst his true followers.

I quote here from Muhammad:

‎1. [~~Yushaku man aasha minkum ianyulka eisabna maryama imamun mahduyyun , ‎hakamun iadualun yakserus saleba wa yaktulul khinzera]

One who would be alive (at that time), he would meet Issa (JesusYeshua) s/o Maryam ‎‎(MaryMerium) in the position of ImamMahdi (DivineGuided), a truthful judge (among ‎faiths/religions); he would break the Cross (with arguments) and kill the swine. (Masnad ‎Ahmad 156/2)

‎2. ~~Abu Hurairah narrated from the Prophet Muhammad SAW that he said”
I swear by Him in whose hands rests my life or death that you would definitely witness ‎advent of the Ibne Maryam (Son of Mary); a truthful judge (among faiths/religions), he ‎would break the Cross (with arguments) and kill the swine and suspend the war (for ‎religious conversion).

‎(Bukhari Kitabul Anbeya, Bab Nazul-e Essa Ibne Maryam)
All human beings are but a family; love for all, hatred for none


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Jesus; suffered on Cross for being on truth; yet in minority

May 17, 2009

Brooksrobinson says:

I’m sorry to say, but the majority of New Testament scholars no matter what their faith is, would disagree with Jesus going to India. In fact, all of them hold Jesus died on the cross as the Gospels state.

Islam seems to be on the opposite side of that fence, and on top of that, your on the opposite side on the Muslim fence. I’d like to see contemporary scholarship on the issue, preferably writings outside of your Muslim sect.


Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend brooksrobinson
I can only help you to research. In religion we don’t deal in minority or majority; we try to discern truth from the untruth, even if it is in minority, we have to side with truth and stand on truth.

We have to follow Jesus; from the time Jesus started his ministry in Judea to the time he left for India; Jesus was in minority in Judea, I think it is not difficult to understand by you and the viewers of this blog.

We have to act like Jesus, if he was a role model for us; he suffered on Cross for being on truth, but in minority; he was persecuted but he did not waver.

God Allah YHWH heard his humble supplications done at Gethsemane. God Allah YHWH helped him against all odds and saved his life. We should be thankful to God Allah YHWH that he cured his injuries inflicted on Cross, in the tomb of Joseph Arimathea.

We should also thank the intrepid physician Nicodemus, who brought an unusual quantity of myrrh and aloe, unusual for a Jewish funeral, to prepare the medicines immediately needed to treat his master, Jesus; it is mentioned in the Bible, you could see it in the Bible for yourself.

They, Nicodemus and other trusted friends of Jesus ,prepared ointments named in ancient medical history as Marhum Havariyyeen or Marhum-e-Issa; ointment of the disciples and/ or ointment of Issa/Jesus, for treatment of Jesus.

Jesus was definitely not in majority in Judea, I think you cannot deny it. Of course, when he resided in India peoples high and low, kings and common, accepted Jesus as a Divine Guide or Bagwa Metteyya or Messenger Prophet and he was honored and respected there, so it was in India that he was accepted in majority where he resided.

It is very unfortunate that Jesus’ absence in Judea prompted the cunning Paul and the sinful scribes to derail his teachings and his faith. Jesus never talked in terms of majority and minority; if now people resort to think in these terms; that mean they would have rejected Jesus if they would have been present at that time.

I don’t think any good Christian could afford this proposition.

Jesus supported only truth as mentioned in Quran. If Bible does not mention it; that makes Bible an incredible book written mythically and hence merits being denied/rejected; If not the whole of it, then at least the untrue one should be discarded, but only after proper investigation, which is always welcome in matters of faith /religion.

If you or any of the viewers here would like to research, he could access:

TheRandomGuy: Existance of Jesus PROPHESIED in HINDU SCRIPTURES 3000 years before his birth

In the Bhavisiya Purana which means “Future Happenings”, the existence of Jesus is prophesied 3000 years before his birth.

By the way, based on scriptures written, it is a proven fact that Jesus has traveled to the east, twice to INDIA (between the missing years not mentioned in the Gospels).

Also; you guys might want to check out the book “Jesus Lived in India” by German author Holger Kersten, a brilliant authoritative book giving evidence of Christ’s life in India.


I don’t want you to accept anything blindly; but if you have an open heart and sound mind open for truth, you may like to get convinced, if not, I don’t mind.

I respect your faith; you are at liberty if you insist to remain on the creeds of you fathers and grandfathers, if you prefer them on the truth.

I love Jesus and Mary as I love Buddha and Krishna.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

The conception of John the Baptist and of Jesus was similar and was not at all any difficult for God Allah YHWH.

May 15, 2009

Wdednh says:

(2) What does Quran say about Mary?
(3) Does Quran mention virgin birth of JESUS CHRIST?
(4)And if Quran mentions the virgin birth, what does it say the virgin was conceived by?

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend wdednh

All the above three questions are inter-related. I would request you to first read my earlier posts on the subject; by accessing my blog and putting following words in the search column, at the lowest right hand column: “John the Baptist, Mary, Jesus”, the relevant posts would be displayed.

Please read those posts and if there is a further query it would be discussed. Sorry, for the inconvenience; only because of time restraint, please don’t mind.

I copy paste one such posts here:

Originally Posted by George:

God was responsible for the conception of Jesus. If He hadn’t interfered, Jesus would not have been conceived. God even determined that He would be male and He named Him.

Paarsurrey says:


Jesus was conceived the same way Adam was conceived and or John the Baptist was conceived, in my opinion. Adam was also named by GodAllahYHWH. John the Baptist was also named by GodAllahYHWH.

For your convenience I give here the text and the usual context from Quran:

[19:1] بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ
[19:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[19:2] ڪٓهيعٓصٓ
[19:2] Kaf Ha Ya ‘Ain Sad.
[19:3] ذِكۡرُ رَحۡمَتِ رَبِّكَ عَبۡدَهُ ۥ زَڪَرِيَّآ
[19:3] This is an account of the mercy of thy Lord shown to His servant, Zachariah.
[19:4] إِذۡ نَادَىٰ رَبَّهُ ۥ نِدَآءً خَفِيًّ۬ا
[19:4] When he called upon his Lord, a secret calling,
[19:5] قَالَ رَبِّ إِنِّى وَهَنَ ٱلۡعَظۡمُ مِنِّى وَٱشۡتَعَلَ ٱلرَّأۡسُ شَيۡبً۬ا وَلَمۡ أَڪُنۢ بِدُعَآٮِٕكَ رَبِّ شَقِيًّ۬ا
[19:5] He said, ‘My Lord, the bones have indeed waxed feeble in me, and the head glistens with hoariness, but never, my Lord, have I been unblessed in my prayer to Thee.
[19:6] وَإِنِّى خِفۡتُ ٱلۡمَوَٲلِىَ مِن وَرَآءِى وَڪَانَتِ ٱمۡرَأَتِى عَاقِرً۬ا فَهَبۡ لِى مِن لَّدُنكَ وَلِيًّ۬ا
[19:6] ‘And I fear my relations after me, and my wife is barren. Grant me, therefore, a successor from Thyself,
[19:7] يَرِثُنِى وَيَرِثُ مِنۡ ءَالِ يَعۡقُوبَ‌ۖ وَٱجۡعَلۡهُ رَبِّ رَضِيًّ۬ا
[19:7] ‘That he may be heir to me and to the House of Jacob. And make him, my Lord, well-pleasing to Thee.’
[19:8] يَـٰزَڪَرِيَّآ إِنَّا نُبَشِّرُكَ بِغُلَـٰمٍ ٱسۡمُهُ ۥ يَحۡيَىٰ لَمۡ نَجۡعَل لَّهُ ۥ مِن قَبۡلُ سَمِيًّ۬ا
[19:8] ‘O Zachariah, We give thee glad tidings of a son whose name shall be Yahya‡. We have not made any one before him of that name.’
[19:9] قَالَ رَبِّ أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لِى غُلَـٰمٌ۬ وَڪَانَتِ ٱمۡرَأَتِى عَاقِرً۬ا وَقَدۡ بَلَغۡتُ مِنَ ٱلۡڪِبَرِ عِتِيًّ۬ا
[19:9] He said, ‘My Lord, how shall I have a son when my wife is barren and I have reached the extreme limit of old age?’
[19:10] قَالَ كَذَٲلِكَ قَالَ رَبُّكَ هُوَ عَلَىَّ هَيِّنٌ۬ وَقَدۡ خَلَقۡتُكَ مِن قَبۡلُ وَلَمۡ تَكُ شَيۡـًٔ۬ا
[19:10] He said, ‘So it is.’ But thy Lord says, ‘It is easy for Me, and indeed I created thee before, when thou wast nothing.’

The conception of John the Baptist and of Jesus was similar and was not at all any difficult for God Allah YHWH.
It was the humble prayers of Mother of Mary and Zachariah which God Allah YHWH did accept and hence both the pious cousins were conceived and born naturally though.

Indeed God Allah YHWH is the greatest.

God could accept the prayers of the believers however impossible the prayers might seem. God could make an impossible as possible in a natural and easy way.

One must see here that Quran gives the text for a claim and also a reason thereof: Bible either won’t give a clear text for a claim in support of the Christians; and reason Bible just not have that, the Christians have to put words and reasons into the mouth of Jesus who even does not acknowledge to have accepted them.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love John the Baptist and his mother.


Jesus’ life accounts vividly described: Quran Chapter 5: Al-Ma’idah

February 16, 2009

Originally Posted by swariffin:

Please quote what is written without omission, and you may present your interpretation. No matter how good or bad you defend your interpretation, is does not matter. In that case, that is an adult way to have a discussion. You have the right to believe anything, and no compulsion for you to accept ours. But, at first, you must be fair

The Holy Quran : Chapter 5: Al-Ma’idah المَائدة

[5:1] بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمَـٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ
[5:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.

[5:2] يٰۤاَيُّهَا الَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوْۤا اَوْفُوْا بِالْعُقُوْدِ‌ ؕ اُحِلَّتْ لَـكُمْ بَهِيْمَةُ الْاَنْعَامِ اِلَّا مَا يُتْلٰى عَلَيْكُمْ غَيْرَ مُحِلِّىْ الصَّيْدِ وَاَنْـتُمْ حُرُمٌ‌ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰهَ يَحْكُمُ مَا يُرِيْدُ
[5:2] O ye who believe! fulfil your compacts. Lawful are made to you quadrupeds of the class of cattle other than those which are being announced to you, except that you should not hold game to be lawful while you are in a state of pilgrimage; verily, Allah decrees what He wills.

[5:3] يٰۤاَيُّهَا الَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوْا لَا تُحِلُّوْا شَعَآءِرَ اللّٰهِ وَلَا الشَّهْرَ الْحَـرَامَ وَلَا الْهَدْىَ وَلَا الْقَلَٓاٮِٕدَ وَلَاۤ آٰمِّيْنَ الْبَيْتَ الْحَـرَامَ يَبْتَغُوْنَ فَضْلاً مِّنْ رَّبِّهِمْ وَرِضْوٰنًا ‌ؕ وَاِذَا حَلَلْتُمْ فَاصْطَادُوْا‌ؕ وَلَا يَجْرِمَنَّكُمْ شَنَاٰنُ قَوْمٍ اَنْ صَدُّوْكُمْ عَنِ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَـرَامِ اَنْ تَعْتَدُوْا‌ۘ وَتَعَاوَنُوْا عَلَى الْبِرِّ وَالتَّقْوٰى‌ وَلَا تَعَاوَنُوْا عَلَى الْاِثْمِ وَالْعُدْوَانِ‌ وَاتَّقُوْا اللّٰهَ‌ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰهَ شَدِيْدُ الْعِقَابِ‏
[5:3] O ye who believe! profane not the Signs of Allah, nor the Sacred Month, nor the animals brought as an offering, nor the animals of sacrifice wearing collars, nor those repairing to the Sacred House, seeking grace from their Lord, and His pleasure. And when you put off the pilgrims’ garb and are clear of the Sacred Territory, you may hunt. And let not the enmity of a people, that they hindered you from the Sacred Mosque, incite you to transgress. And help one another in righteousness and piety; but help not one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allah; surely, Allah is severe in punishment.

[5:4] حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةُ وَالدَّمُ وَلَحْمُ الْخِنْزِيْرِ وَمَاۤ اُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللّٰهِ بِهٖ وَالْمُنْخَنِقَةُ وَالْمَوْقُوْذَةُ وَالْمُتَرَدِّيَةُ وَالنَّطِيْحَةُ وَمَاۤ اَكَلَ السَّبُعُ اِلَّا مَا ذَكَّيْتُمْ وَمَا ذُبِحَ عَلَى النُّصُبِ وَاَنْ تَسْتَقْسِمُوْا بِالْاَزْلَامِ‌ؕ ذٰلِكُمْ فِسْقٌ‌ؕ الْيَوْمَ يَٮِٕسَ الَّذِيْنَ كَفَرُوْا مِنْ دِيْـنِكُمْ فَلَا تَخْشَوْهُمْ وَاخْشَوْنِ‌ؕ اَلْيَوْمَ اَكْمَلْتُ لَـكُمْ دِيْنَكُمْ وَاَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِىْ وَرَضِيْتُ لَكُمُ الْاِسْلَامَ دِيْنًا‌ؕ فَمَنِ اضْطُرَّ فِىْ مَخْمَصَةٍ غَيْرَ مُتَجَانِفٍ لِّاِثْمٍ‌ۙ فَاِنَّ اللّٰهَ غَفُوْرٌ رَّحِيْمٌ
[5:4] Forbidden to you is the flesh of an animal which dies of itself, and blood and the flesh of swine; and that on which is invoked the name of one other than Allah; and that which has been strangled; and that beaten to death; and that killed by a fall; and that which has been gored to death; and that of which a wild animal has eaten, except that which you have properly slaughtered; and that which has been slaughtered at an altar. And forbidden is also that you seek to know your lot by the divining arrows. That is an act of disobedience. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of harming your religion. So fear them not, but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour upon you and have chosen for you Islam as religion. But whoso is forced by hunger, without being wilfully inclined to sin, then, surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

[5:5] يَسْـٔـَلُوْنَكَ مَاذَاۤ اُحِلَّ لَهُمْ‌ؕ قُلْ اُحِلَّ لَـكُمُ الطَّيِّبٰتُ‌ۙ وَمَا عَلَّمْتُمْ مِّنَ الْجَـوَارِحِ مُكَلِّبِيْنَ تُعَلِّمُوْنَهُنَّ مِمَّا عَلَّمَكُمُ اللّٰهُ‌ فَكُلُوْا مِمَّاۤ اَمْسَكْنَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَاذْكُرُوا اسْمَ اللّٰهِ عَلَيْهِ‌ وَاتَّقُوْا اللّٰهَ‌ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰهَ سَرِيْعُ الْحِسَابِ‏
[5:5] They ask thee what is made lawful for them. Say, ‘All good things have been made lawful for you; and what you have taught the beasts and birds of prey to catch for you, training them for hunting and teaching them of what Allah has taught you. So eat of that which they catch for you, and pronounce thereon the name of Allah. And fear Allah. Surely, Allah is quick in reckoning.’

[5:6] اَلْيَوْمَ اُحِلَّ لَـكُمُ الطَّيِّبٰتُ‌ؕ وَطَعَامُ الَّذِيْنَ اُوْتُوْا الْكِتٰبَ حِلٌّ لَّـکُمْ وَطَعَامُكُمْ حِلٌّ لَّهُمْ‌ وَالْمُحْصَنٰتُ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنٰتِ وَالْمُحْصَنٰتُ مِنَ الَّذِيْنَ اُوْتُوْا الْـكِتٰبَ مِنْ قَبْلِكُمْ اِذَاۤ اٰتَيْتُمُوْهُنَّ اُجُوْرَهُنَّ مُحْصِنِيْنَ غَيْرَ مُسٰفِحِيْنَ وَلَا مُتَّخِذِىْۤ اَخْدَانٍ‌ؕ وَمَنْ يَّكْفُرْ بِالْاِيْمَانِ فَقَدْ حَبِطَ عَمَلُهٗ وَهُوَ فِىْ الْاٰخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخٰسِرِيْنَ
[5:6] This day all good things have been made lawful for you. And the food of the People of the Book is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them. And lawful for you are chaste believing women and chaste women from among those who were given the Book before you, when you give them their dowries, contracting valid marriage and not committing fornication nor taking secret paramours. And whoever rejects the faith, his work has doubtless come to naught, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers.

[5:7] يٰۤاَيُّهَا الَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوْۤا اِذَا قُمْتُمْ اِلَى الصَّلٰوةِ فَاغْسِلُوْا وُجُوْهَكُمْ وَاَيْدِيَكُمْ اِلَى الْمَرَافِقِ وَامْسَحُوْا بِرُءُوْسِكُمْ وَاَرْجُلَكُمْ اِلَى الْـكَعْبَيْنِ‌ؕ وَاِنْ كُنْتُمْ جُنُبًا فَاطَّهَّرُوْا‌ؕ وَاِنْ كُنْتُمْ مَّرْضَىٰۤ اَوْ عَلٰى سَفَرٍ اَوْ جَآءَ اَحَدٌ مِّنْكُمْ مِّنَ الْغَآٮِٕطِ اَوْ لٰمَسْتُمُ النِّسَآءَ فَلَمْ تَجِدُوْا مَآءً فَتَيَمَّمُوْا صَعِيْدًا طَيِّبًا فَامْسَحُوْا بِوُجُوْهِكُمْ وَاَيْدِيْكُمْ مِّنْهُ‌ؕ مَا يُرِيْدُ اللّٰهُ لِيَجْعَلَ عَلَيْكُمْ مِّنْ حَرَجٍ وَّلٰـكِنْ يُّرِيْدُ لِيُطَهِّرَكُمْ وَ لِيُتِمَّ نِعْمَتَهٗ عَلَيْكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُوْنَ‏
[5:7] O ye who believe! when you stand up for Prayer, wash your faces, and your hands up to the elbows, and pass your wet hands over your heads, and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you be unclean, purify yourselves by bathing. And if you are ill or you are on a journey while unclean, or one of you comes from the privy or you have touched women, and you find not water, betake yourselves to pure dust and wipe therewith your faces and your hands. Allah desires not that He should place you in a difficulty, but He desires to purify you and to complete His favour upon you, so that you may be grateful.

[5:8] وَاذْكُرُوْا نِعْمَةَ اللّٰهِ عَلَيْكُمْ وَمِيْثَاقَهُ الَّذِىْ وَاثَقَكُمْ بِهٖۤۙ اِذْ قُلْتُمْ سَمِعْنَا وَاَطَعْنَا‌ وَاتَّقُوْا اللّٰهَ‌ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰهَ عَلِيْمٌۢ بِذَاتِ الصُّدُوْرِ
[5:8] And remember Allah’s favour upon you and the covenant which He made with you, when you said, ‘We hear and we obey.’ And fear Allah. Surely, Allah knows well what is in the minds.

[5:9] يٰۤاَيُّهَا الَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوْا كُوْنُوْا قَوّٰامِيْنَ لِلّٰهِ شُهَدَآءَ بِالْقِسْطِ‌ وَلَا يَجْرِمَنَّكُمْ شَنَاٰنُ قَوْمٍ عَلٰٓى اَلَّا تَعْدِلُوْا‌ؕ اعْدِلُوْا هُوَ اَقْرَبُ لِلتَّقْوٰى‌ۖ وَاتَّقُوْا اللّٰهَ‌ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰهَ خَبِيْرٌۢ بِمَا تَعْمَلُوْنَ
[5:9] O ye who believe! be steadfast in the cause of Allah, bearing witness in equity; and let not a people’s enmity incite you to act otherwise than with justice. Be always just, that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah. Surely, Allah is aware of what you do.

[5:10] وَعَدَ اللّٰهُ الَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوْا وَعَمِلُوْا الصّٰلِحٰتِ‌ۙ لَهُمْ مَّغْفِرَةٌ وَّاَجْرٌ عَظِيْمٌ‏
[5:10] Allah has promised those who believe and do good deeds that they shall have forgiveness and a great reward.…apter.php?ch=5

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

THE CRUCIFIXION by An Eyewitness

December 26, 2008

With the courtesy of:

Now it so happened that after the earthquake, and many of the people had gone away, Joseph and Nicodemus arrived at the cross. They were informed of the death of the crucified, in the garden of our Brethren, not far from Calvary.

Although they loudly lamented his fate, it nevertheless appeared strange to them that Jesus, having hung less than seven hours, should already be dead. They could not believe it, and hastily went up to the place. There they found John alone, he having determined to see what became of the beloved body.

Joseph and Nicodemus examined the body of Jesus, and Nicodemus, greatly moved, drew Joseph aside and said to him: “As sure as is my knowledge of life and nature, so sure is it possible to save him.”

But Joseph did not understand him, and he admonished us that we would not tell John of what we had heard. Indeed, it was a secret, which was to save our Brother from death.
Nicodemus shouted: “We must immediately have the body with its bones unbroken, because he may still be saved”; then, realizing his want of caution, he continued in a whisper: “saved from being infamously buried.”

He persuaded Joseph to disregard his own interest, that he might save their friend by going immediately to Pilatus, and prevailing upon him to permit them to take Jesus’ body from the cross that very night and put it in the sepulchre, hewn in the rock close by, and which belonged to Joseph.

I, understanding what he meant, remained with John to watch the cross and prevent the soldiers from breaking the bones of Jesus.
No corpse is allowed to remain on the cross over night, and the next day being Sunday, they would not take him down and bury him early.

The Jewish council had already demanded of Pilate an order to the soldiers to break the bones of the crucified, that they might be buried.

Soon after Joseph and Nicodemus had departed, each one on his sacred mission, a messenger arrived bringing the order to the Centurion to take down the corpses and bury them. I myself was greatly agitated by this information, for I knew if he were not handled with great care he could not be saved, and still less if his bones were to be broken.

Even John was dismayed, though not from fear of the plans being frustrated, for of these he did not know. But he was deeply grieved at the thought of seeing the body of his friend mutilated. For John believed that Jesus was dead.

As the messenger arrived, I hastened to him, thinking and hoping that Joseph already might have seen Pilate, a thing of which there in reality was no possibility.

“Does Pilate send you?” I asked of him.
And he answered, “I come not from Pilate, but from his secretary, who acts for the governor in such unimportant matters.”

The Centurion observing my anxiety, looked at me, and in the manner of a friend, I said to him: “You have seen that this man that is crucified is an uncommon man. Do not maltreat him, for a rich man among the people is now with Pilate to offer him money for the corpse, that he may give it a decent burial.”

My dear Brethren, I must here inform you that Pilate often did sell the bodies of the crucified to their friends that they might thus bury them.
And the Centurion was friendly to me, inasmuch as he had conceived from the events that Jesus was an innocent man. And therefore, when the two thieves were beaten by the soldiers with heavy clubs and their bones broken, the Centurion went past the cross of Jesus, saying to the soldiers: “Do not break his bones, for he is dead.”

And a man was seen rapidly approaching along the road from the castle of Antonia to Calvary. He advanced to the Centurion and brought to him the order that he should quickly come to Pilate.
The Centurion then questioned the messenger to learn what Pilate wanted of him at so late an hour of the night. The messenger answered that Pilate desired to know if Jesus was indeed dead.

“So he is”, said the Centurion, “therefore we have not broken his bones.”

To be more sure of it, one of the soldiers stuck a spear into the body in such a manner that it passed over the hip and into the side. The body showed no convulsions, and this was taken as a sure sign that he was actually dead; and he hurried and went away to make his report.

But from the insignificant wound flowed blood and water, at which John wondered and my own hope revived. For even John knew, from the knowledge of our Brotherhood that from a wound in a dead body flows nothing but a few drops of thickened blood; but now there flowed both water and blood.

I was deeply anxious that Joseph and Nicodemus should return. At last some Galilean women were seen approaching on their return from Bethania, whither they had brought Mary, the mother of Jesus, in the care of the Essene friends.

And among the women was also Mary, the sister of Lazarus, who had loved Jesus and she wept loudly. But before she could pour out her grief and while John was gazing intently at the wound in Jesus’ side, heeding naught else, Joseph and Nicodemus returned in great haste. Joseph through his dignity had moved Pilate, and Pilate, having information as to the death of the crucified, gave the body to Joseph, and without taking pay therefore.

For Pilate had a great reverence for Joseph, and secretly repented of the execution. When Nicodemus saw the wound, flowing with water and blood, his eyes were animated with new hope, and he spoke encouragingly, foreseeing what was to happen.
I love Jesus, Mary, Joseph and Nicodemus


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

status of NTBible is not even of a Hadith in Muslims

December 4, 2008

Originally Posted by Ruthie
Dear Paar,

We have a fundamental difference here. You are saying that the Crucifixion and Resurrection were false, and an idea that originated with St. Paul.

We believe what the authors of the New Testament say, that Jesus was crucified, died, was buried, and rose again from the dead. Paul did not write the Gospels nor the letters of James, John, and Peter.

This is one place where Muslim and Christian will never meet. As long as you believe what the Qu’ran says about Jesus, we will not agree.

Still friends?



We understand that the status of NTBible is not even of a Hadith in Muslims. NTBible was not dictated by Jesus, as was not the Hadith dictated by Muhammad; but Muslims scrutinized Hadith with the chains of persons narrating it (technically called rivayat) and then its comparison with standard book Quran for the meaning (technically called drayat). If Hadith was not according to Quran it was not to be practiced.

So, our Catholic friends here for no fault of theirs had nothing with them dictated directly from Jesus; well, I am sorry for that. Jesus might have left that for Muhammad.

Even with the scant and weak accounts of Jesus life that we find with our Catholic friends, for no fault of theirs; still we can prove for sure that Jesus did not die on Cross but he died later naturally and peacefully, as you know now in Kashmir. When Jesus went to India; he did take only his trusted friends with him.

Peter betrayed Jesus as you all know; he cannot be a rock that melted so easily.

Paul was an enemy it is mentioned in the Bible; but for a foggy vision.

It is very much mentioned in the NTBible that Jesus body after the crucifixion was wrapped with so many wrappings, might be after applying ointment made from too much contents of the botanical fragrances. Instead of bathing the body of Jesus for burial, his friends put wrappings on him. Who puts wrappings on a dead body? Not a custom of Jews nor Christians not late of the Muslims . This shows for sure that his friends were certain Jesus had not died a curse death on Cross.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim