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‎“Is Jesus GOD the GOD in the OLD Testament the GOD of MOSES and the TEN ‎COMMANDMENTS is this JESUS?”

August 15, 2009

http://yedda.com/questions/Jesus_GOD_christianity_9513678717881/

Question at Yedda: “Is Jesus GOD the GOD in the OLD Testament ‎the GOD of MOSES and the TEN COMMANDMENTS is this JESUS?‎”

Paarsurrey Answers:‎

Hi friends

“The Jesus” that cunning Paul and the sinful scribes presented in the New Testament, is not the ‎YHWH presented in Old Testament, and or the god of Moses. The “god” who revealed Ten ‎Commandments on Moses is one-true-God. Jesus never believed in the god of the cunning Paul and the sinful ‎scribes. Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi and he believed in YHWH, the God – the Creator of ‎Universe.‎

I think it will be appropriate here to quote from Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the ‎Promised Messiah, and the Second Coming, who has illustrated the real and pure Jesus for ‎the mankind:

“Apart from this, it was necessary that he (Jesus) should escape death on the cross, for it ‎was stated in the Holy Book that whoever was hanged on the wood was accursed. It is a ‎cruel and an unjust blasphemy to attribute a curse to an eminent person like Jesus, the ‎Messiah, for, according to the agreed view of all who know the language, la’nat, or curse, ‎has reference to the state of one’s heart.‎

A man would be said to be accursed when his heart, having been estranged from God, ‎becomes really dark; when, deprived of divine mercy and of divine love, devoid ‎absolutely of His Knowledge, blinded like the devil, he becomes filled with the poison of ‎unbelief; when there remains not a ray of divine love and knowledge in him; when the ‎bond of loyalty is broken, and between him and God there arises hatred and contempt and ‎spite and hostility, so much so that God and he become mutual enemies; and when God ‎becomes weary of him and he becomes weary of God; in short, when he becomes an heir ‎to all the attributes of the Devil — and that is why the Devil himself is called accursed.3 ‎

It is clear that the significance of the word Mal’un, viz. accursed, is so foul that it can ‎never apply to any righteous person who entertains love of God in his heart. Alas! ‎Christians did not ponder over the significance of a curse when they invented this belief; ‎else, it were impossible for them to have used such a bad word for a righteous man like ‎Jesus. Can we say that Jesus’ heart was ever really estranged from God; that he had ‎denied God, that he hated Him and had become His enemy?

Can we ever think that Jesus had ever felt in his heart that he was estranged from God, ‎that he was an enemy of God, and that he was immersed in the darkness of unbelief and ‎denial? If, then, Jesus had never been in such a state of mind, that his heart was always ‎full of love and the light of Divine Knowledge, is it for you, wise people, to ponder ‎whether we can ever say that, not one, but thousands of curses from God had descended ‎upon the heart of Jesus with all their evil significance? Never. Then, how can we say that ‎he was, God forbid, accursed?

It is a pity that once a man has given utterance to something, when he has taken his stand ‎upon a particular belief, he is not inclined to give up that belief, however much the ‎absurdity thereof be exposed. Desire to attain salvation, if grounded upon true ‎foundations, is a praiseworthy thing, but where is the sense in having a desire for ‎salvation which kills truth and which countenances, regarding a holy prophet arid a ‎perfect man, the belief that he had as it were passed through a state in which he had been ‎estranged from God, and in which, instead of unity of heart and unity of inclination, there ‎had been produced a strangeness and aloofness, enmity and hatred; and, instead of light, ‎darkness had surrounded his heart?

Let it also be noticed that this not only detracts from the prophethood and apostleship of ‎Jesus (on whom be the peace of God) but it is also derogatory to his claim to spiritual ‎eminence, holiness, love, and knowledge of God, to which he has repeatedly given ‎expression in the gospels. Just look through the Bible; therein Jesus clearly claims that he ‎is the Light of the world, that he is the Guide, and that he stands in a relation of great love ‎towards God; that he has been honoured by a clean birth, and that he is the loved Son of ‎God.

How then, in spite of these pure and holy relations, can a curse, with all its significance, ‎be attributed to Jesus? No, never. Therefore, there is no doubt that Jesus was not ‎crucified, i.e., he did not die on the Cross, for his personality did not deserve the ‎underlying consequence of death on the Cross. Not having been crucified, he was spared ‎the impure implications of a curse, and no doubt it also proves that he did not go to ‎heaven, for going to heaven formed part of this whole scheme and was a consequence of ‎the idea of his having been crucified. Therefore, when it is proved that he was neither ‎accursed, nor did he go to hell for three days, nor did he suffer death the other part of the ‎scheme, namely, that he went to heaven, is proved to be wrong.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch1.html

So Jesus was neither god of Moses or God who revealed Ten Commandments on Moses ‎nor God of the Old Testaments, for sure.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim‎