Islam poses no threat to the freedom of thought, freedom of action and the spirit of discovery

Hi friends

Islam not only frees the body but the soul of the human beings. Of course one could achieve such ideals without trampling on the civil right of the others. It is for this that the Creator – God Allah YHWH sends his word of guidance on the perfect men called Messengers Prophets in all nations and regions of the world. These were the persons who got freed themselves regions physically, morally and spirituality. They never trampled on the rights of others; rather they gave them the rights even if they had to forgo their own rights:

[8:39] Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past will be forgiven them; and if they return thereto, then verily, the example of the former peoples has already gone before them. [8:40] And fight them until there is no persecution and religion is wholly for Allah. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Watchful of what they do. [8:41] And if they turn their backs, then know that Allah is your Protector. What an excellent Protector and what an excellent Helper!

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=8&verse=34

Muhammad was one such person; the cream of the humanity. He relinquished his rights but he fought for the rights of the persecuted and to establish the free will for everybody.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Quran/Islam will spread to the corners of the Earth

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4783

Apostate wrote:

We will see Demise of Islam in our own lifetime

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friends

As per the system of successor-ship mentioned in Quran, the above is not going to happen, for sure:

[24:52] The response of the believers, when they are called to Allah and His Messenger in order that he may judge between them, is only that they say: ‘We hear and we obey.’ And it is they who will prosper.
[24:53] And whoso obeys Allah and His Messenger, and fears Allah, and takes Him as a shield for protection, it is they who will be successful.
[24:54] And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that, if thou command them, they will surely go forth. Say, ‘Swear not; what is required is actual obedience in what is right. Surely, Allah is well aware of what you do.’
[24:55] Say, ‘Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger.’ But if you turn away, then upon him is his burden, and upon you is your burden. And if you obey him, you will be rightly guided. And the messenger is not responsible but for the plain delivery of the Message.

[24:56] Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them; and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them; and that He will surely give them in exchange security and peace after their fear: They will worship Me, and they will not associate anything with Me. Then whoso is ungrateful after that, they will be the rebellious.

[24:57] And observe Prayer and give the Zakat and obey the Messenger, that you may be shown mercy.
[24:58] Think not that those who disbelieve can frustrate Our plan in the earth; their abode is Hell; and it is indeed an evil resort.
[24:59] O ye who believe! let those whom your right hands possess, and those of you who have not attained to puberty, ask leave of you at three times before coming into your presence: before the morning Prayer, and when you take off your clothes at noon in summer, and after the night Prayer. These are three times of privacy for you. At times other than these there is no blame on you or on them, for they have to move about waiting upon you, some of you attending upon others. Thus does Allah make plain to you the Signs; for Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.
[24:60] And when the children among you attain to puberty, they too should ask permission, even as those mentioned before them asked permission. Thus does Allah make plain to you His commandments; and Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … 4&verse=50

With the advent of the Promised Messiah 1835-1908; the dark age of Islam is ended and Islam has taken a new turn as prophesized by Muhammad himself.

Islam would spread to the corners of the Earth as revealed on the Second Coming 1835-1908 very peacefully and with bright arguments convincing everybody on this planet to the fold of Islam.

We are not worried about the apostates; they would also be welcome home.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Jesus never had any girlfriends; why should the others have?

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4791&p=78885#p78885

planck wrote:

Okay, I’ll agree with you. The Quran is the word of God…for sure. I’ll accept that.

Now, what does that mean for me? Can I beat my wife/girlfriend as is God’s word in 4:34? Can I start waging war on the infidels….as is God’s word in 9:29? Am I not supposed to take Christians and Jews as friends? Am I supposed to believe that the Jews are children of Apes and Pigs…..all that good stuff?

How soon can I start a jihad on the kafirs? How soon should I start transforming my great country and implement sharia law, just like Saudi Arabia?

If the Quran is the word of God, then God is a terrible writer.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend Planck

I thank you for accepting Quran as the word of the Creator- God Allah YHWH. It is indeed very natural to accept that fact.

You don’t have to start now doing anything mentioned by you:

1. You don’t have to beat your wife; Muhammad never did that.
2. You don’t have to wage war on the infidels. That was allowed only for a limited time due to the persecution of Muslims by the infidels. It is no more valid in the present scenario as prophesized by Muhammad himself. The Promised Messiah 1835-1908- Imam Mahdi has abolished such killings and explained the concept of Jihad from Quran.
3. One cannot have any girlfriends to have sex with; Jesus never had any girlfriends, why should the others do such things. One should be sincere with the girls, and if one wants, one could marry anyone of them.
4. You can have surely good Jews and good Christians as your friends; only at the time of war that was prohibited and cautioned. Please read #2 above.
5. Jews and Christians of our times are human beings; must be respected and loved as anyone else. They are not monkeys or pigs; who told you that?
6. You can read Quran and after understanding its logical and reasonable arguments and with your good character; you could convince others for the truth of Quran/Islam/Muhammad; that is the concept of Jihad.
7. There is no Sharia Law named in Quran; that might be the concept of Saudi Arabia, only. Saudi Arabia do not represent Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

Quran is a Word from the Merciful and Beneficent Creator – God Allah YHWH.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Loving real Jesus and Mary of Quran; instead of mythical ones of Bible

A question for paarsurrey

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4791&p=78714#p78714

sum wrote:

Hello paarsurrey

Do you love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in the Bible?

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend Sum

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran. The Bible, I mean the OTBible does not mention accounts of Jesus and Mary. The NTBible only gives the mythical account of Jesus, and does not present the real life account of Jesus. The NTBible, as I understand, is neither Word from the mouth of Creator- God Allah YHWH, nor even the mouth of Jesus himself. It is not even written by the faithful disciples of Jesus, but by the deserting persons who posed to be the disciples of Jesus; and who never were even the witness of the event of crucifixion, in which Jesus survived a cursed death on Cross.

There is no point in loving myths. The account of Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran is witnessed by the Creator- God Allah YHWH; who is the best witness of events of past, present and the future.

A real Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran could solve the ethical, moral and spiritual needs of the West; in which the Bible is so lacking being only mythical. Jesus and Mary could introduce the West with Muhammad, the Seal of Messengers and Prophets.

I think it is easy to understand; and you agree with me.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Quran respects women

Hi friends

Quran respects women; and there is a separate Chapter in Quran in the name of women to show the respect.

I will just give a verse from Quran in this connection:

[4:24] Forbidden to you are your mothers, and your daughters, and your sisters, and your fathers’ sisters, and your mothers’ sisters, and brother’s daughters, and sister’s daughters, and your foster-mothers that have given you suck, and your foster-sisters, and the mothers of your wives, and your stepdaughters, who are your wards by your wives unto whom you have gone in — but if you have not gone in unto them, there shall be no sin upon you — and the wives of your sons that are from your loins; and it is forbidden to you to have two sisters together in marriage, except what has already passed; surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=4&verse=23

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

“Are Allah and YHWH one and the same?”

“Are Allah and YHWH one and the same?”

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4266&p=77279#p77279

Nicolei wrote:

There are Christians and Jews today who believe that YHVH and Allah is the same God

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend Nicolei

So, I think generally the Jews and the Muslims agree that YHWH and Allah is the same Creator-God Allah YHWH. Since Jesus was never a Christian himself; he was a Jew; so he won’t dislike being a Servant of Allah.

You know this is mentioned in Quran; and Allah is a witness to it; He alone is sufficient as a witness.

Quran mentions certain attributes of the Creator-God Allah YHWH; that would define in detail the person of God Allah YHWH.

It is obvious that Muslims and Jews don’t believe in the Trinity which was later invented by Paul/Church; it had nothing to do with Jesus. Trinity is a mistake of the Catholics and Protestants.

I love Jesus and Mary a mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

“The Bible cannot be taken literally”

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/rebecca_goldstein/2009/10/god_and_the_moral_muddle.html#comments

Hi friends

“The Bible cannot be taken literally”

We know that the Messengers Prophets of the Creator – God Allah YHWH, like Moses, Noah, Abraham and Jesus did receive Word of Revelation from Him. But unfortunately the Original Revelation has not been preserved literally and has been lost in the debris of time. We only get the glimpses of the Creator- God Allah YHWH’s Word. So definitely one does not get the true meaning and hence the true sense of it. I therefore agree that the Bible cannot be taken literally sometimes.

But at least we can understand academically that the Revelation had been received from God Allah YHWH. The lost part of the Bible or its ethical, moral and spiritual teachings can however be recovered/ modified or understood.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

No “Good without God?”: Jesus neither god nor Son of god

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/2009/10/good_without_god/comments.html

Hi friends

It is no good without the Creator-God Allah YHWH. It is very unnatural not to believe in the Creator- God Allah YHWH. It is just like believing that one was born without one’s parents. One has not seen one’s father mating with one’s mother even then one believes that one has a father. One has not seen one’s mother giving one birth yet one is not in doubt of one’ mother; so one very naturally believes in one’s mother and father and is never in doubt.

One knows that one’s mother and father had taken pains in upbringing one; they did it with love in a very natural way. It is no good without the father and mother; and in the same way it is no good without the Creator-God Allah YHWH.

Through the parents the Creator-God Allah YHWH gives us a taste of His Grace, Mercy.

We got born of our parents; when we were nothing; if left unattended, unfed we would have not survived and died in our infancy, not even knowing that we were ever born. From infancy, we reached childhood, adulthood, old age; so it all evolved very naturally. It is against evolution and progression not believing in the Creator- God Allah YHWH.

All we see in the Universe is the Work of the Creator- God Allah YHWH. All our knowledge and sciences are based on knowing the laws of nature that the Creator has set in motion; without His Work, there would be no knowledge and no sciences.

It is his benevolence that He did not leave us alone and through the perfect men called Messengers Prophets he sent his Revelations so that we may know about his attributes and other things most essential for our ethical, moral and spiritual advancement; from the unseen realm. This is called the Word of the Creator- God Allah YHWH.

I think without the Work of God or without the Word of god; we will be worse off in our lives.

Is there a doubt in Allah the Creator of the heavens and earth? (Quran)
Jesus was however not a god or a Son of god.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Musli

‎“united against Islamic supremacism”: “Islam’s Golden Rule”‎‎

There is a new comment on the post “Islam’s Golden Rule”.
http://unitedagainstislamicsupremacism.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/islams-golden-rule/

Author: perceptor1
Comment:
Notwithstanding the sincerity of Mr. Paarsurrey’s Ahmadist beliefs, it is most likely that the Islamic religion came into existence at least 150 years following the alleged death of Mohammed.

The birth date of the Prophet displays a remarkable range of variance of eighty-five years! Little can be shown about Islamic origins…practically all is hearsay…hadiths…all written at least 150 years after the alleged facts…

Were most of the ‘facts’ simply manufactured by the caliphs as justification for their Holy Arab Empire and their dynasties? I personally believe this is the most likely explanation. First the empire, then the cover story was invented.

True Muslim texts only begin to appear at the beginning of the ninth century (around 822 A.D.), coinciding with the first written Korans, as well as the first written traditional Muslim accounts.

There are no credible source texts extant since the caliphs went around destroying all the evidence from their predecessors and burning it! The al-Maghazi and What we have to prove the origins of Islam is some buildings and coins.

Indeed, it appears that the only secure date anywhere in the whole saga of the origins of Islam is 622 C.E., which has been confirmed from dated coinage as marking the beginning of a new era.

There are many archaeological evidence proving the cover story of Islam was fabricated. As late as 705 A.D. the direction of prayer towards Mecca had not yet been canonized. The quibla (direction of prayer) was still far to the north (southern Palestine?) and not towards Mecca. Official Islam says the qibla was changed in 624, but this assuredly did not occur until after 705 A.D.

In the hundred years following this period, Islam as we know it was created by order of the caliphs. The undecipherable, baffling text of the Koran was hastily thrown together with little apparent editing from a plethora of source texts. Who knows who their authors were? Some of the Koran may have come from Mohammed, but that is a subject for future scholarship to determine.

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http://unitedagainstislamicsupremacism.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/islams-golden-rule/#comments

There is a new comment on the post “Islam’s Golden Rule”.
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Author: perceptor1
Comment:
Dear Mr. Huntingnasrallah,

The word ‘completion’ was no doubt chosen intentionally to say to Jews and Christian that their faith was ‘incomplete’. (Over 60% of the Koran is composed of attacks on the faith of Jews and Christians.)

The unity (better yet, the ‘Singleness’) of God was the buttress of the opposition to Christianity and to the polytheistic Arab pagans. The Jews already had this, though Mohammed invented the preposterous idea that they worshipped Ezra (Uzayr) as the son of God!

Ezra was one of the greatest opponents of idolatry!

I personally don’t see tawid as the key to understanding Islam…that is part of the package, obviously. The ‘Completion’ of religion (Yo! We have the ALL the truth…we have an order to put you out of business!)is the excuse the caliphs needed for invasion and conquest.

My conclusion is that Islam is an imperial political movement covered by the flimsy veil and justification of the fabricated cover story of religion.

Islam the caliphs’ dynasty at prayer.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend perceptor1‎

Sorry;I don’t agree with your viewpoint with reasons.‎

How did the Caliphs come into power? Caliph means ‎Successor; of whom they were the successors if not of ‎Muhammad:‎

Quran is called a book only because it was a Revelation ‎with systems; otherwise it was Revelation from the Creator ‎of the universe descended on the heart of Muhammad which ‎was committed to the memory by heart and need not be ‎written in paper. Even of all the Books of the world are ‎destroyed or burnt; the Quran would remain intact in the ‎memory of the believers, word for word and letter for ‎letter. This system from the time of Muhammad remains ‎intact. If one wants to verify; one could do it so easily. ‎God to any Mosque of the world; take a written copy of ‎Quran in Arabic; ask the Mosque people of a Qari/Hafiz or ‎reciter of Quran from the memory; he will recite it exactly ‎as the written one is with you. You may testify for ‎yourself; if you have any doubt.‎

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.‎

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Collection of Quran :Usman did a memorable job

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4283&p=69889#p69889

sword_of_truth wrote:

Uthman burned the different Qurans in order to standardize them. You forgot about that part.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend sword_of_truth

Please let me know your denomination/sect/faith/religion while replying.

Usman’s only , but very appreciable, contribution was to publish the Quran and to standardise it. It was the same as was revealed on the heart of Muhammad and which a larg number of his companions had already committed to their memory.

Muhammad had also as an axiliary measure or as a supporting measure, got the revelation of Quran written by appointed scribes, on pieces of cloth,pieces of leather or leaves of the trees, as the verses of the Quran were not and could not be in a sequence.They got revealed as and when an event would happen. Whenever the Angel revealed a portion of a chapter; he guided Muhammad as to where the same were to be put, before or after such and such verse. This was possible in the memory of heart but not otherwise. The paper was also not available in abundance; so the pieces could not be in the book form.

Usman collected all these pieces and arranged them in the sequence of what was already committed to heart and memory by a large number of the companions of Muhammad. The axiliary utility of those pieces of leaves, bones, pieces of cloth, leather etc had reached to it logical and purposeful conclusion so these were not needed anymore and were disposed off appropriately.

Quran is a Revelation with the systems ;that is why it is and was called a book. If it would have not been written altogether, even then it would have been called a book due to this reason and in this sense.

Usman’s contribution was that he published the revelation that was already being recited by everybody from memory; for the convenience of the people in other lands where people had converted to Islam in large numbers and hence there was a demand of it. Usman or anyone else could not and did not change or could not afford to change anything of the Quran.

I think it is reasonable and should be easy to understand for our friends here.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim;bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/sects/religions Atheists/Agnostics/Humanists and working for their unity and brotherhood.