Adam and Eve: did Torah copy or plagiarize the story?

July 30, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3862440-post1.html

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Paarsurrey wrote:

The latest research tells us:

Adam And Eve Lived In Africa, But Probably Did Not Know Each Other: Scientists

The most recent common ancestor of men, called Adam, lived almost 120,000 years ago, and chances are that he did not meet or interact with Eve, who lived around 99,000 to 148,000 years ago, a new research indicates.

http://www.ibtimes.com/adam-eve-lived-africa-probably-did-not-know-each-other-scientists-1369497

The most pertinent question therefore would be; where did Jewish Bible or Torah get the story of Adam and Eve from?

Where from it copied?

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0% verses of Quran have been copied or plagiarized from Torah

July 30, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3862464-post165.html

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Paarsurrey wrote:

I quoted following short chapters from Quran in this thread:

1. 1. Al-Fatihah
2. 114. Al-Nas
3. 113. Al-Falaq
4. 112. Al-Ikhlas
5. 111. Al-Lahab

Our Jewish (or non-Jewish) friends have not been able to quote or reference places of Torah where any of the verses of these Quranic chapters have been copied or plagiarized from.

We can therefore conclude with 100% certainty that 0% of verses of these chapters of Quran have been copied or plagiarized from Torah.

Do you agree here?

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Richard Dawkins: “mild pedophilia”

July 30, 2014

Just for information

Richard Dawkins defends “mild pedophilia,” says it does not cause “lasting harm”

“I am very conscious that you can’t condemn people of an earlier era by the standards of ours. Just as we don’t look back at the 18th and 19th centuries and condemn people for racism in the same way as we would condemn a modern person for racism, I look back a few decades to my childhood and see things like caning, like mild pedophilia, and can’t find it in me to condemn it by the same standards as I or anyone would today,” he said.

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/10/richard_dawkins_defends_mild_pedophilia_says_it_does_not_cause_lasting_harm/

Buddha categorically declared that he was a human being; not God

July 29, 2014

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Originally Posted by AREQUIPA

In the Anguttara Nikâya (I, 22), there is a clear instance in which the Buddha categorically declared that he was a human being:
“Monks, there is one person (puggala) whose birth into this world is for the welfare and happiness of many, out of compassion for the world, for the gain and welfare and happiness of gods (devas) and humanity. Who is this one person (eka puggala)? It is the Tathâgata, who is a Consummate One (arahat), a Supremely Enlightened One (sammâ-sambuddho)….Monks, one person born into the world is an extraordinary man, a marvellous man (acchariya manussa).”
Note the Påli word manussa, a human being. Yes, the Buddha was a human being but not just another man. He was a marvellous man.

The act of attaining enlightenment appears sometimes to have turned Buddha into a divine being, He was able to fly, multiply himelf and remember all his past lives. But there ins a general avoidance in Buddhist doctrine of the belief that Buddha was a god rather than a man.

Paarsurrey wrote:

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Can a Virgin Give Birth?

July 27, 2014

Can a Virgin Give Birth?

Yes—but it’s very, very, very, very unlikely.

By Melinda Wenner Moyer

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2007/12/can_a_virgin_give_birth.html

Thanks for the above site.

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“An honest Israeli Jew tells the Real Truth about Israel”

July 24, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3853510-post178.html

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flankerl

a face palm

Paarsurrey wrote:

Please see/listen to what Miko Peled son of an ex-Israeli General says:

“An honest Israeli Jew tells the Real Truth about Israel”

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“Jimmy Carter unveils truth about Israel”

July 24, 2014

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Originally Posted by Quatermass

When will it start to incercede on behalf of the palestin..oh wait it wont because it’s because of silly Judaism that they’re being persecuted in the first place.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Please see/listen to what Jimmy Carter says:

“Jimmy Carter unveils truth about Israel”

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No Torah written in the original language of the time of Moses, while Moses was alive

July 24, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3852760-post112.html : Topic “The Golden Calf”

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Originally Posted by gnostic

Quote.

“Well, I am not an expert in the bible as well, but I have read the bible more than I have Qur’an.

(I have read the bible several times now, from cover to cover, of both OT and NT, but only read the Qur’an only once, again from cover to cover. But I have lost count the number of times I have read from Genesis to 1 Samuel, because this part of the bible is the most interesting to me.)

My expertise is not in the bible, but in classical literature and classical mythology, and I better than the average in medieval literature (and medieval legends and folklore). The last 6 or 7 years, I have taken up interested in Egyptian, Ugartic/Canaanite and Sumerian/Akkadian/Babylonian literature/mythology, as well as Gnostic and Rabbinic Jewish literature.

But with all of these, literature, I have always relied on English translations. I got some experience from my research into these mythology and literature, and from creating Timeless Myths and Dark Mirrors of Heaven. I have been wanting to start a new website, similar to that of Timeless Myths, but on Egyptian, Mesopotamian and Levant myths, but alas, I don’t have the free time that I used to have.

Of course, my main interests in all these different literature is in the storytelling, not the religion (like customs, rituals) and not the laws (religious laws, codes, ethics, etc).

Anyway…

Of course, but I only know one language – English. I know my limitation, and I respect anyone who read more than one language. The way I tried to resolve this, is to read or research not just one English translations, but several (or more).

When I reading the Hebrew scriptures (Tanakh or Old Testament), I tends to favor the Tanakh from New Jewish Publication Society (NJPS, 1985) or New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) over the King James Version (KJV), because both translations take into consideration the latest Hebrew scholarship and compare the Masoretic Text (MT) against the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS). It is possible (and I must stress “possible”) to get the original context, through reading and comparing different translations. But the best solution would be able to read them in the original languages they were written in.

I don’t know if you can read Hebrew, but here is Hebrew text of Exodus 2; and beside I like you; you know your own limitations, unlike other Muslims here:

If you can read it, then you can compare the quote I had already given in post 86, and see if it is accurate or not. If you can’t read the Hebrew source (Masoretic Text), then no problem.” Unquote

Paarsurrey wrote:

There exists no Torah written in the original language of the time of Moses, while Moses was alive.

The Hebrews adopted the Phoenician script around the 12th century BCE. (Wikipedia)

Rabbinical Judaism calculated a lifespan of Moses corresponding to 1391–1271 BCE;[6] Jerome gives 1592 BCE, and Ussher 1619 BCE as his birth year.[7](Wikipedia)

So there is a gap of for 200-400 years when there was no written Torah.

A pertinent question; did a complete Torah in even Phoenician script around the 12th century BCE ever exist?

My answer is in the negative; and that would be the earliest written Torah.

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Science cannot quantify God : (Jesus/Krishna no gods)

July 22, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3850793-post80.html

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Originally Posted by NewGuyOnTheBlock

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“God, as described as a being who exists outside of spacetime, can not be quantified through science. Science is a methodology of thinking in observing the natural world. Thus, God, being supernatural, is beyond science.

To qualify for a scientific theory or study, a given object or concept must meet certain criteria. It must be Observable, Testable, Repeatable, Falsifiable and must form a predictive model of reality.

OBSERVABLE: We can’t see God, measure his influences on the world, etc.
TESTABLE: We can’t put God to the test. Gods, as they are described, tend to be fickle; they do what they please, when they please, if they please. Thus, with no apparent cause and effect of the being in question, experimentation to test the concept of God is impossible.
REPEATABLE: We can all agree that Gods, as described in texts, generally don’t stand up and do tricks for man. Gods are too fickle to establish a pattern of repeatablility.
PREDICTIVE MODEL OF REALITY: Gods have, according to the texts, been fickle, as stated above. Thus, even if all the other criteria could be met, “god” still can’t be quantified through science as there is no predictive model of reality set.

God and Science = Oil and Water.” Unquote

Quoting excerpt from the above post:

God, as described as a being who exists outside of spacetime, can not be quantified through science. Science is a methodology of thinking in observing the natural world. Thus, God, being supernatural, is beyond science.
One-True-God (Jesus/Krishna are definitely not god) is only attributive; so you are right He is beyond scientific endeavors to be quantified.Unquote

Paarsurrey wrote:

Yet there is no restriction on Him not to reveal Himself to human being through truthful and perfect human being called the prophets/messengers of the One-True-God; and that He did in almost all regions of the world.

Truthful Religion helps here; science is incapacitated here.

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Is Egyptian Abram a different person than Abraham – the patriarch?

July 17, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3844539-post48.html

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Originally Posted by Ingledsva

There is no proof that this has anything to do with the Biblical Abram story, and even if it did, it wouldn’t make the story true.

The Abram story is far earlier (supposedly 2000 BCE or earlier,) then this Egyptian King’s conquests.

The far later Tanakh writers would have know about “traditions,” and “stories,” such as a field called the Field of Abram, – and added them.

The list is places King Shoshenq I raided around 925 BCE.

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Paarsurrey wrote:

Please let us know more about the Egyptian Abram with references if any.
Is he a different person than Abraham of Genesis or Jewish Torah?

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