Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics! What are your sources of knowledge?

November 8, 2014

I started thread titled above on one of my favorite discussion forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/atheists-agnostics-skeptics-what-are-your-sources-of-knowledge.170311/

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Paarsurrey wrote:

Post #1
Everybody could respond. Theists or Non-theists.

Regards

Paarsurrey wrote:

Post #41

Those who have joined the discussion (as per OP) and have mentioned their sources of knowledge, in the second stage I would like them:
To mention against every source the accuracy of every source in %.
Do their sources, all combined give 100 % accuracy?
If not, how do they cover the grey area not covered by their sources?
Do they cover all aspect of our lives?
This is just to self-assess our sources and to improve upon them, if possible.

Regards

It ensued an interesting discussion.

Why converse of G-d is needed by humans?

November 6, 2014

I wrote following posts on one of my favorite discussion forums

< http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/126459#post2669329 >thread/topic <Why converse of G-d is needed by humans?>

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paarsurrey  Wrote:

This is because logic and reasoning alone cannot lead to the perfect cognition of G-d.

Everyone’s thoughts are welcome whether one belongs to a religion or no religion.

Regards

paarsurrey wrote: 

Why converse of G-d is needed by humans?

The study of creation alone cannot lead to perfect certainty (about God) is proven by the fact that creation is not a book wherein one can read plainly that all these things have been created by God, that God in fact exists, that the joy of meeting Him is the ultimate bliss and that He will reward those who are obedient and punish the transgressors.

Rather, when one observes Allah’s creation and finds the design of this universe to be perfect and flawless, one can only conclude, by way of conjecture, that there ‘ought to be’ a Creator of this creation.

However, there is a great difference between the import of ‘ought to be’ and ‘is’. There is an element of doubt in ‘ought to be’ and it does not bring about the degree of certainty that ‘is’ does.

When a person says by way of conjecture that such and such a thing ‘ought to be’ he means to say only that it has to exist so far as his reasoning is concerned, but he is unable to say whether or not it actually exists.

This is why all those who have restricted themselves to the study of nature have never agreed upon a conclusion—neither do they now, nor will it be possible in the future.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (see p. 41)
Barahin-E- Ahamdiyya— Part three

God Himself is a Zionist.!?

November 6, 2014

I wrote following post on one of my favorite discussion forums <https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/god-himself-is-a-zionist.170260/page-2#post-4011538 >

Post #29 thread/topic <God Himself is a Zionist.!?>

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Paarsurrey wrote:

No, emphatic no.
G-d is not for a particular place/town/city/country/race/nation:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 1: Al-Fatihah

[1:1]In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[1:2]All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
[1:3]The Gracious, the Merciful,
[1:4]Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1:5]Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help.
[1:6]Guide us in the right path —
[1:7]The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowedThyblessings, those who have not incurredThydispleasure, and those who have not gone astray.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=1

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Why so many religions…..?

November 6, 2014

I have written following post on one of my favorite discussion forums <https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-so-many-religions.107027/page-3#post-4011513&gt;

Post #58 topic/thread <Why so many religions…..?>. One can join the discussion there or write one’s comments here.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Do you want that all humans should be forced one one religion?
I don’t think that you want that.
If there will be freedom of opinion then there will be diversity of religions.
G-d wants that everybody should have freedom of religion and freedom of opinion:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 2: Al-Baqarah

[2:214]Mankind were one community,then they differed among themselves, so Allah raised Prophets as bearers of good tidings and as warners, and sent down with them the Book containing the truth that He might judge between the people wherein they differed.But now they began to differ about the Book, and none differed about it except those to whom it was given, after clear Signs had come to them, out of envy towards one another. Now has Allah, by His command, guided the believers to the truth in regard to which they (the unbelievers) differed; and Allah guides whomsoever He pleases to the right path.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=213

Regards

Scientists Say Belief in God Is Hard Wired In Human DNA

August 9, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3877041-post41.html

http://www.atheistrepublic.com/news/scientists-say-atheism-isn-t-real-all-people-innately-believe-god

“Scientists Say Everyone Believes in God”!
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Originally Posted by paarsurrey
We can safely conclude that belief in One-True-God is the original position.

Originally Posted by Sunstone
Do you mean in much the same sense that cognitive biases can be considered “the original position”?

Paarsurrey wrote:

Since man evolved in millions of years; one could be named a man distinct from animal when he got to the stage distinctly and starkly different from the animal. That epoch making event came when the one-True-Go had a Converse with man through a prophet named Adam.

In this sense it is the original position.

Regards

Is Islam a universal religion?

August 7, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3872203-post365.html

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Paarsurrey wrote:

Yes; it is.

There were religions which were intended for a specific region and time.

Like the religion of Moses (known as Judaism) and the religion of Zoroaster (known as Zoroastrianism); their founders did receive Word of Revelation from the One-True-God.

But they were not intended for the whole world or for indefinite time in future.

They were to be merged with the Universal or Global religion to come.

Their founders, hence, neither took measures to preserve the Word Revealed on them nor did they themselves prophesy that it will remain preserved.

The languages in which their Revelation was originally received became dead to the extent that at some points in the history it was known to the clergy only; if at all later attempts were made to revive them the meaning of the words was quite different than the original hence instead of giving clarity to the text; it became a source of further corruption.

The vagaries of time accelerated their natural death.

Their followers adopted measures that instead of making them global; made them even narrower.

Regards

What would you do, if God asked you to kill a person?

July 31, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3864151-post123.html

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hay85
God ordered Abraham to kill his son. And Abraham was intentioned to obey.
Would you obey too?
This question is addressed to those who believe in God, (Jews, Muslims, Christians)

Paarsurrey wrote:

Torah is neither authored by Abraham nor by Moses. Its different books have been authored by anonymous narrators and the scribes. It is not the original Word of God in the original language revealed.

Dreams and visions are always or most often interpretable.

It only meant that Abraham and his offspring shall have to face hardships in the path of God (Allah Yahweh Tao) and would have to devout their lives; in service of the humanity for its ethical, moral and spiritual uplift.

Abraham and Ishmael were sure about it from their experience with the One-True-God; they knew that the He won’t let them accomplish an unreasonable act; and would bring out reasonable solution of the matter.

And the act of Abraham sacrificing his son Ishmael never happened in literal and real terms.

Abraham and his progeny did devote their lives to the cause of religion and that is how it took place in real terms; and that is what one should focus on.

The matter of as to how to interpret such dreams and visions was settled for all times.

Regards

Judaism: land grabbing in the name of Jacob (aka Israel) or Abraham

July 31, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/166233-judaism-land-grabbing-name-jacob-aka.html#post3863588

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Paarsurrey wrote:

Judaism: land grabbing in the name of Jacob (aka Israel) or Abraham

Are Jews/Judaism people doing it exactly?

Your thoughts, please

Regards

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3863513-post2.html

Paarsurrey wrote:

Abraham was a righteous person.

He was chosen by G-d. He was assigned some area for his ministry by G-d. He never took it that that land was allotted to him as a estate to rule or to occupy it.

When his wife Sarah died he purchased land in Hebron from the Hittites to bury his wife Sarah; which was only located within Canaan. If Canaan was allotted to him by G-d or to his descendants; then he should have no need to buy the piece of land for burying his wife.

That clearly show that Abraham was not a land grabber (nor Isaac nor Jacob) and he knew what was actually meant by G-d by saying that G-d has given him Canaan or his descendants;it was for spiritual reformation; not as an estate.

The corrupt narrators/scribes/clergy whose real business is land-grabbing made it up as if that land has been allotted by G-d to Abraham for ruling and occupying as an estate to displace the people who were lawfully already living there.

Regards

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3863516-post3.html

Paarsurrey wrote:

Genesis – Chapter 23:17-20

17. And so the field of Ephron which was in Machpelah, facing Mamre, was established (as Abraham’s possession). [This included] the field and the cave that was in it, and all the trees that were in the field, which were within its entire border around.
18. [It was] to Abraham as a possession before the eyes of the sons of Heth, in the presence of all who had come within the gate of his city.
19. And afterwards, Abraham buried Sarah his wife in the cave of the field of Machpelah, facing Mamre, which is Hebron, in the land of Canaan.
20. And the field and the cave within it were established to Abraham as burial property, [purchased] from the sons of Heth.

Genesis – Chapter 23 (Parshah Chayei Sarah) – Tanakh Online – Torah – Bible

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3863588-post5.html

Hay85 wrote:

well…God loves all the people of the world. The concept of “a chosen people” is devilish.
By the way the old testament is full of anti-Christian things. How can it be considered believable?

http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8218

Adam and Eve: did Torah copy or plagiarize the story?

July 30, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3862440-post1.html

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Paarsurrey wrote:

The latest research tells us:

Adam And Eve Lived In Africa, But Probably Did Not Know Each Other: Scientists

The most recent common ancestor of men, called Adam, lived almost 120,000 years ago, and chances are that he did not meet or interact with Eve, who lived around 99,000 to 148,000 years ago, a new research indicates.

http://www.ibtimes.com/adam-eve-lived-africa-probably-did-not-know-each-other-scientists-1369497

The most pertinent question therefore would be; where did Jewish Bible or Torah get the story of Adam and Eve from?

Where from it copied?

Regards

0% verses of Quran have been copied or plagiarized from Torah

July 30, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3862464-post165.html

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Paarsurrey wrote:

I quoted following short chapters from Quran in this thread:

1. 1. Al-Fatihah
2. 114. Al-Nas
3. 113. Al-Falaq
4. 112. Al-Ikhlas
5. 111. Al-Lahab

Our Jewish (or non-Jewish) friends have not been able to quote or reference places of Torah where any of the verses of these Quranic chapters have been copied or plagiarized from.

We can therefore conclude with 100% certainty that 0% of verses of these chapters of Quran have been copied or plagiarized from Torah.

Do you agree here?

Regards


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