If Atheism is a perfect Ideology; the Atheists give claims and reason in its support from peer reviewed science journals of repute

April 16, 2014

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/an-address-to-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-13684

paarsurrey says:
April 17, 2014 at 01:59

@makagutu :April 16, 2014 at 21:27
“Are you saying that to ask you to consider the possibility you are wrong and no preaching are many conditions?”

Well, the Atheists also preach; but I was not hinting at that.

I already agreed that when one enters into a discussion one accepts the possibility that one could be wrong.
There are other conditions:

• “That morality has nothing to do with the gods so I propose that in our discussion you will not bring up the question of where I get my morals if I have no belief in god.”
• “Let us also agree here that whether life has meaning or not has nothing to do with gods.”

Not only the host should be respected but the guests should also be respected; neither bullied nor ridiculed.
Why should the religious be put to answer the questions or to give the proofs and evidences? If Atheism is a perfect Ideology; then the Atheists should provide the proofs and evidences they so often demand from the religious.
The Atheists extol science as if it has been invented by them; nevertheless they should quote for their claims and reasons from a peer reviewed scientific standard journal of science.

If the religious quote their scripture; their quotes should have the claims and reason-content in them.

It should be a friendly discussion.

Please have a thought on this.

Regards

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/an-address-to-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-13686

paarsurrey says:
April 17, 2014 at 02:40
@Ben Nasmith :April 16, 2014 at 17:5
“I think that such a being exists, and as a Christian I am devoted to the God revealed by Jesus.”

I endorse the One-True-God that revealed Himself on Jesus; but that God was not Jesus and cannot be Jesus.

Do you agree with this? Please

Regards

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/an-address-to-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-13705

paarsurrey says:
April 17, 2014 at 18:50
@clubschadenfreude : April 17, 2014 at 18:18

If you are an Atheist and as you say that you are not on blind-faith rather everything you believe is based on sound experiments and is nothing but science.

As I requested from the Atheists; now please start providing proofs and evidences favoring Atheism- the perfect ideology for the human being; for the claims and reasons supporting it from peer reviewed journals of Science.

This is an open question to all the Atheists. Please

Regards

Science alone can never justify materialism

April 16, 2014

paarsurrey:

Paarsurrey says:

You have made good points. I appreciate most contents of your post.

Thanks and regards.

Originally posted on Theo-sophical Ruminations:

The Scientific Collapse of Materialism A lot of people think that science has proven that the material world is all that exists – no God, no angels, and no souls.  The problem is that science can never be used to justify the belief that the material world is all that exists (materialism, naturalism).  Science is a tool that examines the workings of the physical world.  Of course, if the material world is the only thing your tool examines, it is the only thing your tool will see.  But it doesn’t follow that what your tool examines is all there is to examine.  Edward Feser compares science to a metal detector.  It would not follow that since the metal detector only finds metal objects in the ground there are no treasure maps buried as well.  A metal detector is not capable of finding paper.  It is only geared toward finding metal objects.  Its success in finding…

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“Co-opting Science Shows a Lack of Respect”

April 16, 2014

paarsurrey:

Paarsurrey says:

Very good points made; I appreciate the post.

Thanks and regards

Originally posted on Fide Dubitandum:

fiery_preacher There are few people who disrespect science more consistently, or more flagrantly, than the fans of Richard Dawkins.

A real respect for science, in my view, includes a respect for understanding clearly what science does in general, and what a given experiment  shows in particular.

It makes me uncomfortable to sit in a church and listen to a preacher carelessly speak for God–simply assuming that the divine backs his particular social view without bothering to give a reason.

I have a similar reaction to those who claim to speak for science, insisting that it has shown things that it simply has not. Generally, this involves claims that science has never actually tested, and takes no position on.

As a lover of science, I find this disrespectful.

More often than not, it isn’t even a specific study that is being referenced. Rather, there is simply a vague wave in the direction…

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The Revealed Sermon ( Khutbah Ilhamiyya)- Delivered with special help and support of God

April 16, 2014

Friday Sermon: Khutbah Ilhamiyya – The Revealed Sermon

Sermon Delivered by Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad (at)Head of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.

http://www.alislam.org/friday-sermon/2014-04-11.html

The original sermon was delivered in Urdu; its translation is available in following languages. Please click the language of your choice by accessing the above link:

Urdu Albanian Arabic Bengali Bosnian Bulgarian German Malayalam Swahili Tamil Turkish

Synopsis : English

Hazrat Khalifatul Masih said that he would give a discourse on a sign of the Promised Messiah(as) which appeared on today’s date, 11 April in 1900. This sign was a sermon delivered by the Promised Messiah(as) in Arabic with the special help and support of God. As it was a revelatory sign, it is called The Revealed Sermon. It was listened and witnessed by two hundred people. Someone drew Huzoor’s attention to speak on this magnificent sign as the date fell on a Friday.

It is written in Tarikh e Ahmadiyyat that because the Sermon was a tremendous literary sign the Promised Messiah(as) motivated his Khuddam to memorise it. In compliance, Sufi Ghulam Muhammad Sahib, Hazrat Mir Muhammad Ismail Sahib, Mufti Muhammad Sadiq Sahib , Maulawi Muhammad Ali Sahib and some others memorised it.

Hazrat Maulawi Sher Ali Sahib said that the Promised Messiah(as) delivered the Revealed Sermon at Eid. He had sent a message to Maulana Nur ud Din in the morning of the day before Eid to send him a list of names of all the people who were present so that he could pray for them. Maulawi Sahib prepared a list and sent it. Huzoor prayed with the doors of his courtyard shut and people who came later would slip their notes [with names] through the closed door.

Haji Abdul Karim Sahib went to Egypt for his military service, perhaps some time prior to 1940. He did Tabligh work there and a friend called Ali Hassan Sahib became Ahmadi. Haji Sahib would accompany him and visit Egyptian friends for Tabligh. One of them was a clerk in telegraph department. They exchanged thoughts for many days and he was convinced of all matters but did not accept the Promised Messiah(as) to be a subordinate Prophet.

Promised Messiah(as) in his Revealed Sermon said: O People! For the sake of God, fear Him and think collectively or individually like that person who is neither narrow-minded nor has any enmity. Has the time not come for God to have mercy on people? And has the time not come for wickedness to be eliminated and parched souls to be satiated with spiritual rain? And has the deluge of evil not reached its height and ignorance spread boundlessly? The country has become wicked and Satan is grateful to the ignorant.

These are the magnificent words of the invitation that the Promised Messiah(as) gave with the command of Allah the Exalted on 11 April 1900. This sign continues to demonstrate its glory to this day and to this day no expert linguistic or great scholar or author even if he is from Arabia can match it. How could this ever be matched, for these were the words of God which were uttered from the tongue of the Promised Messiah(as).

Death of Hanifa Bibi Sahiba of Sheikhupura and Syed Mahmood Ahmad Shah Sahib of Karachi.

Atheists and their hatred of “religion”

April 14, 2014

I appreciate the following excerpt from the post “When Religion is not Religion” at the blog “triangulations” which could be viewed at the following link:

http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/when-religion-is-not-religion/

Quote: “Religion” is the word in which these atheists package their hate. When challenged with their overgeneralization about religions by pointing out religions practiced by real people that don’t contain any of the repulsive things they associate with the word “religion”, these atheists often just deny that such practices are really “religions”. You see, they are committed to hating the word “religion”.Unquote

http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/when-religion-is-not-religion/

I concur with Sabio Lantz on this observation.

paarsurrey

Atheism is like thinking one is in a dark room while the room is well-lit

April 11, 2014

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

http://fidedubitandum.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/materialism-vs-the-mind/#comment-3918

paarsurrey
April 8th, 2014 at 6:19 am
Reblogged this on paarsurrey and commented:

I totally agree with you.

The same way one could ask the materialists; do you exist? If yes, give its proofs and evidences. They never give answer to this question.

Thanks and regards

http://fidedubitandum.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/materialism-vs-the-mind/#comment-3939

paarsurrey
April 10th, 2014 at 6:03 am

@Debilis : April 9th, 2014 at 11:43 pm
“That one has never occurred to me, I must admit.
I’ll have to remember that.”

Thanks for your appreciation. You make good points defending religion.

The arguments, though sophisticated and philosophical for the learned at times; should have a simple form also so that ordinary people could benefit from them and they could also defend religion on their own.

Most people are not much educated; religion is also for them; they should be equipped to defend religion in simple terms.

Communication between us is proof of our existence; otherwise we are just illusions or shadows of existence.

God has communicated with perfect men among human beings in all ages and all regions of the world; that is a strong proof of His existence.

Regards

http://fidedubitandum.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/materialism-vs-the-mind/#comment-3940

paarsurrey
April 10th, 2014 at 6:46 am

@john zande:April 10th, 2014 at 4:23 am

“1. Philosophy is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat.
2. Metaphysics is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn’t there.
3. Theology is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn’t there, and shouting “I found it!”
4. Science is like being in a dark room and looking for a switch. The light will reveal a cat… if there is one.”Unquote

I would like to add two more categories to the above.

5. Revealed Religion is like being in a dark room and looking for a cat from its meowing; if the room is dark one cannot know the color of a cat.
6. Atheism is like thinking one is in a dark room while the room is well-lit; and one sees a black cat but insists that there is no cat out there.

Regards

http://fidedubitandum.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/materialism-vs-the-mind/#comment-3943

Frank Morris
April 10th, 2014 at 10:27 pm

John, I’d say you are as much in the dark as any of us, so you don’t know what is there or what isn’t.

Atheism is like being in a brightly lit room filled with cats and denying cats exist.

Perhaps the majority in the room have found something you haven’t found yet.

http://fidedubitandum.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/materialism-vs-the-mind/#comment-3946

paarsurrey
April 11th, 2014 at 5:58 am

@Frank Morris : April 10th, 2014 at 11:15 pm
“paarsurrey, you and I had the same thought on number 6, but I hadn’t read your post yet.
As an open-minded skeptic who rejected everything told to me at school, home or church to try to see what the facts are really telling me, I may be in a 7th group.
I am in a brightly lit room desperately fumbling for a light switch but finding cats.” Unqote

Frank Morris

Thanks for your appreciation. I regularly view Fide Dubitandum and sometimes I write comments also. I like Debilis defending religion with good arguments.

You are welcome to visit my blog @ http://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/

I would be pleased to visit your blog and enjoy your wisdom; please give me the link of your blog.

Regards

World Crisis and The Pathway to Peace

April 10, 2014

World Crisis and The Pathway to Peace

A Compilation of Speeches and Letters of Mirza Masroor Ahmad Imam and the Head of the Worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama‘at,
Fifth Successor to the Promised Messiah (as), may Allah the Almighty be his help/

One may access the following link to read the above.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/World-Crisis-and-Pathway-to-Peace.pdf

Following is the list of the topics:

Speeches

Islamic Perspective on the Global Crisis …………………………………… 3
Islam’s Teachings of Loyalty and Love for One’s Nation …………23
The Devastating Consequences of a Nuclear War and the
Critical Need For Absolute Justice …………………………………………..39
The Path to Peace—Just Relations Between Nations ………………63
The Key to Peace—Global Unity …………………………………………….93
Can Muslims Integrate Into Western Societies? ……………………115
Letters to the World Leaders
Letter to His Holiness Pope Benedict the XVI ……………………..135
Letter to the Prime Minister of Israel …………………………………….141
Letter to the President of the Islamic Republic of Iran ………….145
Letter to the President of the United States of America ………..149
Letter to the Prime Minister of Canada …………………………………153
Letter to the Custodian of the Two Holy Places the King
of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia ……………………………………………157
Letter to the Premier of the State Council of the People’s
Republic of China …………………………………………………………………..161
Letter to the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom …………..167
Letter to the Chancellor of Germany …………………………………….171
Letter to the President of the French Republic ……………………..175
Letter to Her Majesty the Queen of the United Kingdom
and Commonwealth Realms ………………………………………………….181
Letter to the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic
of Iran …………………………………………………………………………………….187

Essence of True Love for God

April 10, 2014

Friday Sermon: Essence of True Love for God
Sermon Delivered by Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad (at)Head of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.

Urdu English Albanian Arabic Bengali Bosnian French German Malayalam Pushto Russian Sindhi Swahili Tamil Turkish

The original sermon was delivered in Urdu; translation available in above languages. For listening in language of your choice please access the following link and click language of your choice.

http://www.alislam.org/friday-sermon/2014-04-04.html

Synopsis:

English

Huzoor explained that adopting Divine attributes is an expression of love of God and as Huzoor had explained in his Friday sermons based on knowledge and understanding of God a few weeks ago, unless one is aware of all attributes of God one cannot have His knowledge and understanding. Love of God is the next step up and when Divine attributes are adopted one receives Divine light.

Phrases like, ‘my crop flourished only because I irrigated it’ or ‘I was successful because of my own endeavour’, or ‘my such and such purpose was fulfilled because of Zaid’s kindness’ or ‘I was saved from ruin because of Bakr’s vigilance’ appear trivial and false. One sees only One Being, One Power, One Benefactor and One Hand. It is then that man sees favours of God Almighty with clarity and with no hint of the murkiness of relying on ways and means.

God Almighty has named this religion Islam with the objective of man worshipping God Almighty owing to his inherent passion and not selfish motives because Islam is the name of abandoning all motives and willingly submitting to the will of God. There is no other religion in the world save Islam which has these objectives. No doubt, as a sign of His grace God Almighty has promised the believers all kinds of blessings. However, the believers who aspire to higher station have been taught to worship God out of personal love for Him.

It is for this reason that those who enjoy a holy and perfect relationship with God always occupy themselves with Istighfar. A true lover is always apprehensive lest his beloved should become annoyed with him, and his heart is filled with the thirst to please Him perfectly, and he is not content even when God Himself informs him that He is pleased with him.

The Promised Messiah(as) said: ‘If you find out that you have the capacity to love like a true and ardent devotee, who endures hunger and thirst when separated from the Beloved and has no care for food or drink or his body, you should become absorbed in love of God in such a way that your own being is lost somewhere along the way. Man is very fortunate if he dies in such a state. We are interested in personal love and not revelations and visions.

If you become God’s, be assured that God is yours. He will wake for you when you are asleep, you will be unaware of the enemy and He will watch over him, and will destroy his ploys. You do not know yet of the powers of your God. Had you known you would have been extremely saddened every day for this world! A person who has a treasure-trove with him does not scream and cry over losing a penny.

Woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: ‘This is from God,’

April 9, 2014

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

http://trueandreasonable.co/2014/04/07/is-god-horrible/comment-page-1/#comment-969

paarsurreysaid:
April 9, 2014 at 11:25 am

@ trueandreasonable
“Ok so now many atheists want to say God is a “murderer!” He asked/commanded people to kill others. We have such stories in the Old Testament. How can we worship such a God?

Well first of all I tend not to believe the Old Testament is literal. I think the Old Testament is by and large a collection of stories. Yes the Holy Spirit inspired them but how exactly that works, I do not pretend to speak for that Holy Spirit. But even an atheist should consider that Jewish scripture consists of what possibly the very best and brightest cultures thought was some of their best literature. I agree some books do nothing for me but other books I find delightful and wonderful. I am somewhat saddened when I see people reading it only for the purpose they want to get out of it instead of thinking about what the author was up to.” Unquote

Sorry friend; I disagree with you.

The author of a book of a Bible has no right to write a religious scripture unless he has received Word of Revelation from the One-True-God. How an author who has received no revelation and is writing with his own sinful hands can claim it to be from God or inspired by God or even inspired by an angel?*

The angles (Holy Spirits) only do what they are commanded to do by God; they cannot do anything on their own.**
If the author has received a Word of Revelation from God then he should expressly mention it that this is a message from God.

If he does not mention it; then he is simply a sinful person faking a scripture and should not be believed in. ***
Such fictional stories should not be believed in.

A truthful Christian should not insist on these stories to be true; it is for this that people get frustrated and leave religion altogether.
*
[2:80] Woe, therefore, to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: ‘This is from Allah,’ that they may take for it a paltry price. Woe, then, to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=79

**
[16:50] And whatever is in the heavens and whatever creature is in the earth submitshumbly to Allah, and the angels too, and they do not behave proudly.
[16:51] They fear their Lord above them, and do what they are commanded.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=16&verse=50

***
[3:95] Now whoso forges a lie against Allah after this, then it is these that are the wrongdoers.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=3&verse=94

Regards


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