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28. jonc Says:
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:36 pm
What you say makes sense – right up to the point that the Sahih Hadith about the collection of the Koran are introduced.
33. paarsurrey Says:
July 4th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Hi friend jonc
As I have mentioned in the earlier post, Quran as the word means was the revelation descended on the heart of Muhammad from God Allah YHWH and he was guaranteed from Him that he need not worry about making strenuous effort to remember the Revelation; he would remember it naturally and he would not forget it. From Muhammad his companions learnt it by heart or committed it to their memory.Writing the revelation was only an auxiliary measure adopted by Muhammad.
It was not made incumbent on Muhammad, in my opinion, by any clear verse in Quran to commit it to writing; I don’t see any such verse in Quran. Muhammad and his companions loved Quran and exactly as the word Quran meant they recited Quran very often, in the prayers and even without it; this is not an unusual thing, upto our times this practice continues among Muslims. The text of Quran was compiled already in the memory of Muhammad and his companions in the same form as it is found in our times without any change. It needed no further compilation or collection.
One could go to any Muslim Mosque in any part of the world; there one could find persons who remember Quran by heart. One may take a copy of Quran with one and request them to recite Quran from their memory. One would find that there is no difference in the written and the recited Quran from the heart.
There are so many verses in Quran from God Allah YHWH which say that He had made it very easy to learn Quran and to commit it to memory. The Creator has made the human mind and memory aligned and attuned to remember Quran with ease and convenience. I don’t think there is any other Book in the world of the size of Quran which is committend to memory with love as the Muslims do with Quran, only because it is a natural Revelation from God Allah YHWH and He has taken it on Himself that it would remain secure and protected in all times to come.
The written Quran was and is but a reflection of the loving heart of Muhammad, his companions and the faithful believers in the whole world. Nobody could scratch it out of their hearts; howsoever one tries. Uthman only made it very convenient to understand for those who were not familiar with it , due to the spread of Islam in other parts of the world; his effort are undoubtedly laudable.
It is remarkable indeed.
Love for all; hatred for none. Humans are but a family.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
34. Shafee al-Zindig Says:
July 5th, 2009 at 7:25 am
33. paarsurrey Says: “From Muhammad his companions learnt it by heart or committed it to their memory.Writing the revelation was only an auxiliary measure adopted by Muhammad. It was not made incumbent on Muhammad, in my opinion, by any clear verse in Quran to commit it to writing; I don’t see any such verse in Quran.”
Have you read Sura 96 – The Clot? This was the very first Muhammad is supposed to have received in the cave at Hira outside Mecca where he used to go to meditate.
1.”Read: In the name of thy Lord who createth,
2. Createth man from a clot.
3. Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous
4. Who teacheth by the Pen,
5. Teacheth man that which he knew not.”
These verses clearly and unequivocally state that Muhammad was instructed to use “the pen” to record and teach the Quran to his followers. End of discussion!
35. 35. paarsurrey Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
July 5th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Hi friend Shafee al-Zindiq
Thank you for quoting five verses from Quran; I would like to quote some more verses to make them in all eleven verses for the usual short context:
[96:1] بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمـٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ
[96:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[96:1] اللہ کے نام کے ساتھ جو بے انتہا رحم کرنے والا، بِن مانگے دینے والا (اور) بار بار رحم کرنے والا ہے۔
[96:2] اقْرَاْ بِاسْمِ رَبِّكَ الَّذِىْ خَلَقَۚ
[96:2] Convey thou in the name of thy Lord Who created,
[96:2] پڑھ اپنے ربّ کے نام کے ساتھ جس نے پیدا کیا۔
[96:3] خَلَقَ الْاِنْسَانَ مِنْ عَلَقٍۚ
[96:3] Created man from a clot of blood.
[96:3] اُس نے انسان کو ایک چمٹ جانے والے لوتھڑے سے پیدا کیا۔
[96:4] اقْرَاْ وَرَبُّكَ الْاَكْرَمُۙ
[96:4] Convey! And thy Lord is Most Generous,
[96:4] پڑھ، اور تیرا ربّ سب سے زیادہ معزز ہے۔
[96:5] الَّذِىْ عَلَّمَ بِالْقَلَمِۙ
[96:5] Who taught man by the pen,
[96:5] جس نے قلم کے ذریعہ سکھایا۔
[96:6] عَلَّمَ الْاِنْسَانَ مَا لَمْ يَعْلَمْؕ
[96:6] Taught man what he knew not.
[96:6] انسان کو وہ کچھ سکھایا جو وہ نہیں جانتا تھا۔
[96:7] كَلَّاۤ اِنَّ الْاِنْسَانَ لَيَطْغٰٓىۙ
[96:7] Nay! man does indeed transgress,
[96:7] خبردار! انسان یقیناً سرکشی کرتا ہے۔
[96:8] اَنْ رَّاٰهُ اسْتَغْنٰىؕ
[96:8] Because he thinks himself to be independent.
[96:8] (اس لئے) کہ اس نے اپنے آپ کو بے نیاز سمجھا۔
[96:9] اِنَّ اِلٰى رَبِّكَ الرُّجْعٰىؕ
[96:9] Surely, unto thy Lord is the return.
[96:9] یقیناً تیرے ربّ ہی کی طرف لَوٹ کر جانا ہے۔
[96:10] اَرَءَيْتَ الَّذِىْ يَنْهٰىؕ
[96:10] Hast thou seen him who forbids
[96:10] کیا تُو نے اُس شخص پر غور کیا جو روکتا ہے؟
[96:11] عَبْدًا اِذَا صَلّٰىؕ
[96:11] A servant of Ours when he prays?
[96:11] ایک عظیم بندے کو جب وہ نماز پڑھتا ہے۔
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=96&verse=10
I agree that there is mention of pen in the above verses; nevertheless there are no instruction contained therein for Muhammad to read a written text or to commit the revelation to writing. The instruction are generally given as a commandment or as doing something or not doing a thing. There is no instruction here to write, or to read from a writing, in my opinion.
All human beings are but a family; love for all, hatred for none.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
