Posts Tagged ‘Zoroastrians’

could there be a “prophet” among Zoroasterians at the same level as Zoroaster?

January 15, 2016
Post #59

Living open and hedonistic lives without purpose would ruin the Zoroastrians and eventually ruin the West as well

September 7, 2015

Discussion forum <www.religiousforums.com>Thread:”Is Zoroastrianism (religion of Prophet Zarathushtra) a revealed religion?”

Please click the post # below to view,to comment and or join discussion on the topic.

Post #51

Paarsurrey wrote:

I appreciate and like your post.
Regards

Bringing atheists (without ridicule and derision)and believers together for a peaceful dialogue

February 28, 2014

“the Way?”
“Faitheist – bringing atheists and believers together (book review)”

http://theway21stcentury.wordpress.com/
http://theway21stcentury.wordpress.com/2013/09/29/faitheist-bringing-atheists-and-believers-together-book-review/#comment-2399

paarsurrey
1 MARCH, 2014 AT 1:00 AM

@ unkleE and all others who wrote comments on this blog
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim; I also support the idea of a peaceful (without deriding and ridicule) dialogue between the revealed religions and non-religions (Atheists, Agnostics, Skeptics; Humanists) all included.

I live in Toronto; can we meet here (or your like-minded friends)?

Atheists, believers, dialogue, without ridicule, without derision, Faitheist, Ahmadis, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Jews, peaceful Muslim, religions, non-religions, Atheists, Agnostics, Skeptics; Humanists

God standing on the rock Horeb: understanding Exodus 17:6 OT Bible

June 24, 2013

I wrote following posts on <http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/> under the topic <God spoke “Behold I will stand there before thee, upon the rock Horeb”>; the posts are given below for the viewers of this blog.

(To see the context of a post, please, click the post #; that will take you to the full single view of the post in the forum, and then click the thread topic on the right upper corner, that will take you to the discussion that ensued in the forum.)

Paarsurrey wrote:

#25 #24 #22 #20 #16  #14   #12     #9 #8   #5  #4 #1

#1  Judaism are monotheists, as I understand, and the Christians also claim that they believe in one God, despite their belief in Trinity. Hinduism more so the Santana Dharma or the believers in the Eternal Law are also monotheists, as I understand; so are Zoroastrians and Buddha, as I get it.
How should we perceive Exodus 17:6?

[6] Behold I will stand there before thee, upon the rock Horeb: – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Book Of Exodus Chapter 17

God is not a physical being; what is meant by God standing upon the rock Horeb?

 

#5  I have now made some corrections; is it OK now? Please

 

#8To me; it is essential; all revealed religion are from one source of one true God; whatever the name in the language of the people it originated in. Like Levite has explained; others could also explain it and see their religion in the same light; that makes unity in understanding, in my opinion.

#9 Thanks for explaining for me.

How would you explain Moses parting the sea in two columns with his staff and making way for the Israelites?
(Exodus 14:21-22).

#12  Thanks for your answer.

What is your stance on the following, please?

1. The water of the river became blood. EXODUS 7:17.
2. Moses smites all the borders of Egypt with frogs. EXODUS 8:2.
3. Moses smites the dust of the earth and became lice. EXODUS 8:17.
4. Moses sends a grievous mourner upon the cattle, the Egyptians cattle died but the Israelite did not. EXODUS 9:3. EXODUS 9:6 to 7.
5. Moses smites the Egyptians by the dust of the furnace. EXODUS 9:8.
6. Moses sends rain of hail. EXODUS 9:18.
7. Moses sends the locusts over Egypt. EXODUS 10:14.
8. Moses sends the darkness in all the land of Egypt for 3 days. EXODUS 10:22.
9. GOD said, every first born in the land of Egypt from Pharaoh to the first born of the maidservant, And all first born of the beast. EXODUS 12:29.

#16   Please elaborate the last sentence.

Thanks

#20

Originally Posted by Shermana

And how is the idea of His presence particularly dwelling in the Tabernacle and Temple understood? What is this “Thickening” exactly? Does it imply a greater material manifestation? Can it possibly imply being seen in an actual bodily form?

Paarsurrey said:

It is making God a physical being, in my opinion.

#22

Originally Posted by Shermana

I think so too.

I believe the ancient understanding was in fact that God had a body and could manifest directly in Physical form, that the “likeness” man is made in was 100% literal physical likeness, and the language describing his being and body were in fact literal, and only much later on in Rabbinical thought did this change.

This “Thickening” that Levite speaks of I agree with to a certain point, that it’s about materializing in a physical form even though his being permeats the entire world through his spirit.

Paarsurrey said:

This “thickening” is through an angel; not all by Himself ;one true God has no spirit; all spirits are His creation; He is everywhere with his attributes not with body or spirit.

#24The one true God is attributive; He converses with the human beings through Word revealed, visions and dreams; it is narrators and the scribes mishandling the phenomenon. There is no “thickening” of the one true God, in my opinion.

#25 One could find truth behind the story tellers, erring narrators and the wrong doing scribes, in my opinion.

 

There is no pride for Bible just in being an old and outmoded book

May 4, 2009

peacewithinreach says:

Thanks for your thoughtfulness on religion and spirituality. From looking at the oldest book in the world — the Bible,

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend peacewithinreach

I don’t agree with you that the Bible is the oldest book in the world; it is I think a controversial subject. You may refer to wikipedia : “Hinduism is often regarded as the oldest religion in the world,[12] with roots tracing back to prehistoric times,[13] or 5000 years.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India

This may require you a confirmation from the secular sources, which please do and confirm it with your research.

You may find that there are many claimants to it. The Hindus, the Buddhists, the Zoroastrians; may be many more.

You would please agree that there is no pride in being an old thing; if it loses it usefulness. Would you like to drink a cup of milk if you find it in an ancient monument? Perhaps you won’t; it must have become stale or poisonous.

The revealed books are for guidance; if the guidance has become diluted for any good reason; the book might have an academic utility but might have lost its utility as a code of life for many a reason. The book must be updated to reinstall life in it. A dead book that cannot solve the human corporeal, moral and spiritual problems is no good.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran and not as presented by Paul or the sinful scribes.

I think you would like to ride a new car instead of an old rusty and unreliable one.

I respect your religion; but this is my sincere view.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

How to ascertain truth from untruth distinctively?

March 8, 2009

wellwateredgarden Says:

March 6, 2009 at 4:44 pm edit

I agree that respecting religious heroes of others certainly could form a basis for dialogue between different faiths and so promote peace.

Since it was God who made the world as we know it, truth can be found everywhere and among all peoples. There is, however, much more half-truth than genuine truth and that is the problem.

You and I are likely searching for the same truth but teachings and backgrounds have given us different perspectives of truth and how that should look. We both have probably stopped looking but now simply defend what we know about truth.

I appreciate you sincerity and love for others and certainly you will be rewarded for that.

May God bless you and keep you!

paarsurrey Says:

March 8, 2009 at 8:53 am edit

Hi wellwateredgarden,

I agree with you. The first step towards uniting the deists; Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs Zoroastrians, Catholics and Protestants etc, is that the heroes of all Revealed Religions were truthful in origin.

Then comes the stage for truths and half truths in the scriptures; how to ascertain untruth mixed with the Truth or to differentiate between evil and virtue. GodAllahYHWH has also solved this problem. As a supposition, please take Quran as a standard. You will see that the problem would be solved in an easy way.

One must note that only Quran gives us the text for a claim and also a reason thereof. Bible and other revealed scriptures of other religions; either won’t give a clear/straightforward text for a claim in their support, in my opinion; and or reasons other scriptures just don’t not have them, in my opinion. Their adherents have to add words and or reasons or wisdom into the mouth of their religious heroes so that the text of their scriptures agrees with the context of their scriptures rationally, logically and naturally.

This we could distinctively know the standard from the un-standard; in an unbiased way and with ease.

I think you would please agree with me.

May GodAllahYHWH bless you!

I respect your faith and religion.

Welcome for any question/peaceful discussion

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Who are the ‘skinheads’?

December 30, 2008

http://forums.catholic.com/showpost….2&postcount=25
Peaceful spread of Islam in France

Originally Posted by Kaninchen:
Football hooliganism (rioting, street fighting) became a target of the neo-Nazis in England in the 1960’s and 70’s as a source of members – predominantly ‘skinheads’. Since then the violent youth of many countries, many of whom gather together in football crowds, have been targeted in the same way.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi

Are the ‘skinheads’ Muslims or Christians Catholics Protestants JWs? Please

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna

Thanks

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Originally Posted by bpcatholic:
You say you are peaceful and love Jesus Mary et cetera…why do you try to make Christianity look bad?

Paarsurrey says:

Hi

I think you are wrong here. I don’t make Christianity look bad.

How could I make them look bad when I love Jesus and Mary? It is true though that the present Christendom is very much mythical in my opinion; and has little (only in name sometimes) image of Jesus and Maryin them.

Nevertheless, I like the Christians rather love them, be they Catholics Protestants JWs etc, as I do love Buddhists and Hindus and Zoroastrians and Jews.

I think there is a lot of real human uplift work to be done in the world with joint and combined efforts of Catholics and peaceful Ahmadi Muslims.

What we can expect from the Atheists and Agnostics? At the most they, the Atheists Agnostics can only play a little part in Scientific and Physical realms of the humans. They don’t claim to believe in Moral and Spiritual realms/faculties of the human beings; that is why their contribution cannot be more than they claim.

Atheism and Agnosticism is the number one problem being faced by Catholics Protestants JWs + 32000 denominations and Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists etc- all Revealed Religions, in Europe, America, and Asia and elsewhere in the world.

It is the combined duty of all the Revealed Religions of the world to work for Physical, Moral and Spiritual uplift of the human beings.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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Tendency to confine the revelation of God to one’s own language or the Book is based merely on prejudice and ignorance

September 12, 2008

Promised Messiah 1835-1908 says:

Is it not then a strange coincidence, that both these peoples (Jews and Hindus) have followed the same path in their dogmatic assertions? Likewise, the followers of many other religions entertain similar views, as for example, the Zoroastrians, who claim that their religion originated billions of years before the Vedic revelation. From this it transpires that the tendency (to confine the revelation of God to one’s own language or the Book) is based merely on prejudice and ignorance. This is further abetted by the fact that in the dark ages of the past, people had no access to the information concerning people and countries beyond the boundaries of their homelands. This lack of knowledge on their part led them to draw the wrong conclusions. They had witnessed that God had bestowed upon them a Divine teaching in the form of a Book, and they knew that Messengers of God had been selected from among themselves; hence their erroneous impression that they had been the only people so favourably treated by God, while the rest of the world was unfortunate in being deprived of this blessing.

This erroneous view has done a lot of damage to the world, and it has worked as a seed of mutual enmity and malice which continues to grow. For a long time, it so happened that a people remained hidden from others and one country remained concealed and veiled from the other to the extent that the scholars of the Arya faith used to believe that there was no inhabitation beyond the Himalayas.

When God lifted the veil, it was already too late for them to mend. By this time they were already fixed in their prejudices. All the false distinctive features which people had attributed to their own revealed books, divines, and messengers, had become deeply rooted in their hearts and had become permanently fixed like the etching on stones. Each people had the same misconception that God’s capital was situated in their country. Savage behaviour was predominant among most people of that age. Hence, to them the sword seemed a natural instrument for settling accounts with those people who dared to oppose the old order. Who then would dare to cool down their self-aggrandisement to create an atmosphere conducive to mutual peace?

Paarsurrey says:

The comments are welcome here; even of those who differ with me.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Second Coming – a Christian Claimant

June 13, 2008

 

Continued from my previous post titled Second Coming of Jesus; Some Claimants dated  June 12, 2008   

 

 

—– Original Message —–

From: paarsurrey paarsurrey

To: dorewilliamson@verizon.net

Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:08 AM

Subject: Jesus’ Return

 

Hi! Dore

 

You are a claimant of being Jesus or Christ and I respect you and all such claimants.

There are many claimant of this office. The Jews are waiting for the Christ/Moshiach for the last three thousand years or so and they say he is yet to come, a long wait indeed!

They have a long list of about twenty such claimants but they believe they were all untrue claimants as they could not fullfil their aspirations so they have declared them untrue in retrospect.

 

The Christians are also waiting for the Second Advent or return of Jesus (whom they consider as God)

 

The Muslims believe that Jesus was only a true prophet of God who will descend from the sky a second time as a Muslim and he will destroy and kill all non-believers of the world, an extremist view.

So, simply by your saying that you are true Jesus and others are false will not solve the problem for the peoples.

 

Then there are other nations waiting of the return of heir religious leaders i.e. Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Zoroastrians etc; waiting for their religious leaders to return and reform the world which is in a dilemma and seeking the right path.

 

The question is so important for the world.

 

If you are a busy person, kindly send me, if possible, e-mail addresses of ten such persons of a firm faith who believe that you are Jesus so that I can discuss this issue with them and arrive at an impartial criteria from the scriptures of all these nations so that we believe the true Jesus/Christ or reformer of the world religions.

 

 

 

 

Re: Jesus’ Return

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 4:38 PM

From:

“Dore” <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>

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To:

“paarsurrey paarsurrey” <paarsurrey@yahoo.com>

 

you wrote,

You are a claimant of being Jesus or Christ and I respect you and all such claimants.

 

Well, if that is true, then you don’t know God, nor does idolatry or blasphemy against me bother you in the least, for there is only ONE true Son of the Father.

 

cont

 

There are many claimant of this office. The Jews are waiting for the Christ/Moshiach for the last three thousand years or so and they say he is yet to come, a long wait indeed!

They have a long list of about twenty such claimants but they believe they were all untrue claimants as they could not fulfill their aspirations so they have declared them untrue in retrospect.

 

The Jews have a long history of rebelling and sinning against God, and because of their disobedience and disrespect, selfish desires for deliverance from Roman oppression, instead of deliverance from sins, they denied my advent the first time I came to the earth. That being said, they are still awaiting their own concept of Messiah, instead of seeking and pleasing God to have the truth revealed to them. Those who have denied me, the first time I came to the earth, are condemned already and thus, their expectations will remain unfulfilled. God doesn’t bow to the will and desires of men, but has created a plan to redeem mankind from their sins, and the Jews have denied this plan of salvation.

 

cont

 

The Muslims believe that Jesus was only a true prophet of God who will descend from the sky a second time as a Muslim and he will destroy and kill all non-believers of the world, an extremist view.

 

No, the Muslims believe that Mohammed was the only true prophet of God and that I was merely a holy man sent from God. They do not recognize my purpose or plan. They have no aspirations of my return, but believe that all should follow the words of Mohammed and all who refuse are unbelievers and should be destroyed.

 

 

cont

 

So, simply by your saying that you are true Jesus and others are false will not solve the problem for the peoples.

 

Of course, just “saying” that I am the only begotten Son of the Father would not “solve” the problems for all peoples, but then again, I never said I would. But as I stated before, evidence for who I am is found in obedience to every word that I spoke in the gospels, as well as fulfilling the prophecies of my second advent, which I have completely fulfilled the first and have fulfilled numerous prophecies of the second advent, with the rest to be fulfilled shortly. I prophesied in my first coming that only a few would be saved and most would reject and deny me and be condemned, so all of those who do not believe in me, will continue to have problems until they are destroyed, because they are condemned, as stated in the prophecies for these end times.

 

cont

 

Then there are other nations waiting of the return of heir religious leaders i.e. Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Zoroastrians etc; waiting for their religious leaders to return and reform the world which is in a dilemma and seeking the right path.

 

Actually, the concept of a return of a “Messiah” for these other false religions is a modern concept, just recently added to their theologies, attempting to be a part of this great event. Buddhists don’t even believe in God, and Hindus believe in numerous gods, so which one would they expect to return?

 

cont

 

If you are a busy person, kindly send me, if possible, e-mail addresses of ten such persons of a firm faith who believe that you are Jesus so that I can discuss this issue with them and arrive at an impartial criteria from the scriptures of all these nations so that we believe the true Jesus/Christ or reformer of the world religions.

 

Well, clearly you are under some misconception that I must prove myself to you and the world. You also are under some false impression that I have returned for ALL peoples in all religions, for which the scriptures clearly state that I am not. If you knew the second coming prophecies, you would know that I am not here to prove myself to mankind, nor here to reform any other religion,  but here to JUDGE all mankind according to their faith in me and their obedience to my words from the first advent,  thus they must prove themselves to me, if they want redemption and salvation.  So, you like the rest, who do not yet believe in me, will then have to wait until I rise to be revealed to the world. Besides, there is NO impartial criteria to come to faith in me, there is the truth, righteousness, wisdom, prophecies, knowledge and scriptures that state clearly of my objective, purpose and events as planned from the beginning.  I am NOT here to satisfy mankind and their desires, but gather together those who have prepared for my return and whom truly serve God.

 

 

Dore

 

www.dorewilliamson.com

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(To be continued in the next post)