Posts Tagged ‘Work of God’

Attributes of G-d uniquely manifested in the Word of G-d and the Work of G-d

May 13, 2015

Feel free to view ,comment and join discussion on< www.religiousforums.com > under the topic <Your best argument that god exists>.

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/your-best-argument-that-god-exists.176665/page-10#post-4286889

Post #188

paarsurrey said:

I don’t agree with you.

The attributes are at work in the Universe/s since inception hence it is good and valid argument.
I am not convincing anybody per force and I don’t have to.

Paarsurrey wrote:

One attribute of G-d is mentioned in Quran (the secure and pristine Word of G-d) as Ahad one meaning of which is unique. Most (some may say that all ) big objects in the Universe (the Work of G-d) are round in shape or or tend to be round or a circle expressing in a way that as to Who have shaped them.

The Work of G-d and the Word of G-d thus correspond with one another.

Such are the attributes of G-d uniquely manifested in the Converse and the nature.

Is imitation of the same possible? I don’t think so.

Regards

Science and Religion both essential for living normal life on the planet Earth

March 21, 2014

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/03/17/hermeneutics-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13351

PAARSURREY says:
March 21, 2014 at 12:03 pm

@MYATHEISTLIFE says: March 21, 2014 at 6:29 am

“It occurs to me that this subject is about how the believer chooses their own morality over the dictated word of their deity. When there is a right and wrong way to interpret the text it is by definition not a perfect text and cannot be seen to contain perfect or objective morality.”

Interpretation is done by both Religion and the Science.
The experiments are made on the basis of the availability of certain data at a certain point of time and the results are interpreted and are accepted within a certain range of accuracy; and there is an implied condition always with the results “if other things remain unchanged” (since everything is moving, so other things don’t remain unchanged); the ultimate check of the results is with the Nature- the Work of God. If there is an anomaly detected subsequently in nature with the result of the experiments; then new hypothesis/theory is made and new experiments are made to remove the anomaly.
The same way in Religion; as we advance/change in time and place; the previous interpretation/understanding does not remain valid simply because our understanding, though previously it was thought to be correct; but due to the change of time and place an anomaly is detected; when more thought was applied on the original text of the Word revealed one gets to know the mistake of previous interpretation/understanding; it was not the fault of the Word of God, so to make a new and correct interpretation/understanding becomes necessary.

Science/Nature is the Work of God and religion is from the Word of God; both belong to the same source of One-True-God (Allah Yahweh Ahura-Mazda Parmeshawara Eshawara); both work in different domains for benefit of the humanity; both are complementary to one another and never contradict one another if correctly interpreted.

Science works in the physical and material domains; religion is for guidance of the humanity in the even more sophisticated and intricate issued of ethical, moral and spiritual realms; nevertheless both are essential for living normal life in this planet Earth, peacefully.

Let us see below what Wikipedia says on the usage of interpretation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretation

Interpretation

Philosophy[edit]
• Interpretation (philosophy), the assignment of meanings to various concepts, symbols, or objects under consideration
• Interpretation (logic), an assignment of meaning to the symbols of a formal language
• De Interpretatione, a work by Aristotle
• Hermeneutics, the study of interpretation theory
• Exegesis, a critical explanation or interpretation of a text
Math, science and computing[edit]
• Interpretation (model theory), a technical notion that approximates the idea of representing a logical structure inside another structure
• Interpreter (computing), a program (a virtual processor) that is able to execute instructions written in a high-level programming language
• Interpretation function, in mathematical logic a function that assigns functions and relations to the symbols of a signature
• Interpretation of quantum mechanics, a set of statements which attempt to explain how quantum mechanics informs our understanding of nature
• Interpreter pattern, a software engineering design pattern
• Left brain interpreter, the post-hoc construction of explanations by the brain’s left hemisphere
• Interpreted language, a programming language that avoidsit program compilation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretation

God Spoke with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad; God honored him With His Converse

March 17, 2014

I have written a post on the following blog of uncleE; the viewers could add their valuable comments here even if they differ.

“Is there a God?”
“How can we know if God exists? Do philosophical arguments help?”

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/clues/how-can-we-know-if-god-exists-do-philosophical-arguments-help/
http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/clues/how-can-we-know-if-god-exists-do-philosophical-arguments-help/#comment-8852

paarsurrey
MAR 17, 2014 @ 15:50:55

@Howie :MAR 16, 2014 @ 16:44:54
” you feel you have revelation of the God you believe in”

Paarsurrey replies:

No, I am not honored with Revelation from God; but the book I suggested you to read; its author did have this blessing; and I had personally met with some other persons who had this blessing and did talk with them.

Like science is a tool that explores into nature, the Work of God; Quran is the Word of God that leads to God in religion.

I give a quote below from Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908:

“The Speaker (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) is Honored with Divine Converse”

“I would be guilty of doing great wrong to my fellow beings if I were not to declare at this stage that divine bounty has bestowed upon me the status which I have just defined and has honored me with the kind of converse the features of which I have just set out in detail, so that I should bestow sight upon the blind and should guide the seekers of the One Who has been so far lost, and should give to those who accept the truth the good news of that holy fountain of which many speak but which few find.

I wish to assure the listeners that the God, meeting with Whom is the salvation and eternal welfare of man, cannot be found without following the Holy Quran.

Would that the people were to see that which I have seen, and were to hear that which I have heard, and should lay aside mere tales and should run to the truth! The cleansing water which removes all doubt, that mirror through which that Supreme Being can be seen, is converse with the Divine that I have just mentioned. Let him whose soul seeks the truth arise and search.

I tell you truly that if souls are charged with true seeking and hearts develop true thirst; people would search for that way and would seek that path. How can that way be discovered, and how can the intervening veil be removed? I assure all seekers that it is Islam alone which conveys the good news of that path. All other people have since long sealed up divine revelation. Be sure, however, that this seal is not imposed by God, but is an excuse that is put forward by man on account of his privation.

Be sure that as it is not possible that we should be able to see without eyes, or should be able to hear without ears, or should be able to speak without a tongue, in the same way it is not possible that without the help of the Quran we should be able to behold the countenance of the True Beloved. I was young and am now old but I have not encountered anyone who has quaffed the cup of this visible understanding except out of this holy fountain.

Page 206-207
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Philosophy-of-Teachings-of-Islam.pdf

Thanks and regards

“Science is a magnificent force, but it is not a teacher of morals.”

March 5, 2014

Please view Paarsurrey’s comments on the following blog for your valuable opinion:

“Doug’s Dribblings”
“Read Your Civic Biology”

http://dougsdribblings.blogspot.ca/
http://dougsdribblings.blogspot.ca/2014/03/read-your-civic-biology.html?showComment=1394023091068#c7651234377284653128

paarsurrey March 5, 2014 at 7:38 AM
@ Doug B

“Here I have to agree with Bryan: “Science is a magnificent force, but it is not a teacher of morals.” It is for that reason that I feel the scientific worldview alone is not sufficient. At the same time I don’t feel the religious worldview alone will cut it, either.
The truth is: either science or religion can be abused and used to inflict harm. I’m not impressed with those on either side who would downplay the importance of the other. I don’t see why we can’t embrace both.” Unquote

I agree with you that both science and religion can be abused to harm humanity; but it is most truthful that religion and science both are good friends and can be used to benefit humanity the most. There is nothing contradictory in religion and science (based on natural laws) as both are from the same source of One-True-God (Allah Yahweh Ahura-Mazda Parmeshaware Eshaware). Religion is based on the Word of God while science is the Work of God; both embrace happily with one another.

Thanks and regards

Symbol and Reality: The Beauty and Truth

February 11, 2014

My comments at blog “journeytowardseaster”;topic “Symbol and Reality: The Beauty and Truth of Christ”:

http://journeytowardseaster.wordpress.com/

http://journeytowardseaster.wordpress.com/2014/02/11/symbol-and-reality-the-beauty-and-truth-of-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-153

paarsurrey on February 11, 2014 at 5:15 pm said:

Sure; beauty of nature – the Work of God must be appreciated and enjoyed.

I would like to share here a Hadith from Muhammad- the truthful messenger and prophet of the One-True-God after Jesus:

“Sure Allah is beautiful and loves beauty.”

Ordinary people should not be overburdened with complex scientific terminology

June 18, 2013

I write on religious education forum <http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/>.

One may like to view my comments on the topic/thread < define hypothesis, theory, law, evidence>.

(To see the context of a post, please, click the post #; that will take you to the full single view of the post in the forum, and then click the thread topic on the right upper corner, that will take you to the discussion that ensued in the forum.)

Paarsurrey wrote:

#10

I think it is understandable that ordinary people would take definition of the words from an ordinary dictionary; why should they be compelled to use a dictionary with scientific terminology?

#14

The problem comes when the people working in the sciences start singling out the ordinary people as if they are ignorant people unless they well understand the scientific terms; I think it is not an appropriate approach; the ordinary people who are a large mass, they should not be overburdened and disturbed this way. The science is for human life; not that the humans are for science.

Paarsurrey says here:

Since religion and science work in different domains they are complementary and are not contradictory of one another. They need not challenge one another. Religious people try to interpret the Word of the one true creator God while the people involved in research of science interpret the current thoughts of science in the study of laws of Nature; interpretations on both sides are never complete; they are on an ever growing process. Nature is the Work of the one true creator God. The Word of God and Work of God are therefore from the same source.

Instead of undermining one another both sides should try to understand Word of the one true God and the Work of Him.

Galileo’s persecution by the clergy is deplorable

April 1, 2013

Herein below please view peaceful comments between a friend at the wordpress and me. I publish it as a new post for benefit of others.

Nick T Says:

April 1, 2013 at 10:37 am

http://endoskeptic.com/2013/03/30/astrology-militants-attack-my-blog/

Many thanks for the reblog, very much appreciated and great to know people are enjoying the read. Although, unfortunately, there are many examples throughout history where religious beliefs have directly opposed scientific endeavour; the case of Galileo and the Pope, for example.

But this post wasn’t written to evoke that discussion, but instead ensure that the facts of science are presented in the face of the supernatural belief that the celestial bodies can affect our behaviour; which they can’t!

Thanks again; looking forward to reading some of your writing in the future!

paarsurrey Says:

April 1, 2013 at 12:28 pm

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2013/03/30/3349/

I thank you very much for visiting my blog; also for your comments.

I am of the view that there is no contradiction in Nature- Work of God- that corrects science; and a revealed Religion-Word of God- that depends on the Revelation from the one true creator God.
Coming to your other points:

1. Galileo’s persecution by the Pope was unjust. The pope or his associate clergy do not represent the truthful religion. Jesus, Moses, Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Socrates and Muhammad did not oppose any scientific endeavour or persecute any scientist. The above persons were the direct recipients of Revelation.

The acts of the clergy are wrongs done by man against man and it is sinful and deplorable. It is just like the secular rulers who do wrongs sometimes or often.

2. If a human word spoken can effect changes in the world; then I think Word of God could do much.
If for example, words spoken by the Head of State of America can make changes in the world; Word of the creator God could do much more.

Friendly discussion is always welcome.

Thanks again and regards

The Word of God, if it is truthful, should consist and reflect systems, reasons, logics as God is All-Wise

May 21, 2009

Maaark says:

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/is-it-not-essential-that-god%e2%80%99s-word-should-be-straightforward-for-the-text-as-to-claims-and-full-of-rational-and-logical-reasons-stated-there-in-the-context-if-god-is-full-of-wisdom/#comments

Comment:

You do not hurt my feelings. That is not issue.

To have any discussion we must first find some common ground. With atheists the common ground is nature. That is common to all mankind. We also believe that the Creator, Allah is revealed in nature as an artist is revealed in his art. I suggest this as a starting point. If we each claim that our scriptures nullify each others scriptures it is end of discussion.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend maark

Your stance as incorporated in the above passage is reasonable. Reason and logic is the common tool with which get convinced with; it is the common tool with which we in fact intellectually digest one another’s differing opinions to sort out the reality and facts for us.

I as an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim do confirm that Allah is revealed in nature or the systematic laws of the Universe; and this forms the Work of God or Act of God. Likewise we at the same time think that the Word of God, if it is truthful, should consist and reflect systems, reasons, logics as God is All-Wise.

There should therefore be no contradiction in the Act of God and the Word of God.

We therefore prefer to present to Atheists/Agnostics, Christians and others:

1. Reason, rationality, logical arguments; which as you have, rightly admitted, form the common language of understanding between us. This forms witnessing of the Nature.
2. Then we give reasonable arguments from the Word of God, Quran, in the form of the secure and protected text.
3. Then we give the reasons and argument as mentioned in the Word of God, Quran, mentioned with the text, in the context.
4. Then we also provide the available text from the Revealed Books of other religions, Bible, Gita, Buddhist scriptures, Torah etc; on as is where is basis; meaning thereby that the portions of their books which is in conformity with Quran, only that is truthful and the rest has changed with the passage of time.

I think this is the most reasonable tools of investigation; which also includes your stance also.

What is you opinion on this? I think you agree with me.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Spirituality and Science; have no contradictions in reality

July 17, 2008

Question at “Yahoo Answers”: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080717034701AAMOtfS&r=w#EKxwUzK1AFc__h67F.av

Does science leave any room for spiritual views?

Paarsurrey answers:

Hi

There is no conradiction in science and religion. If religion has the Word of God to explain things, science is the Work of God. If there is seemingly a contradiction that is because the humans reading the Word have not understood it correctly or people believing in science are contemplationg on theories which need improvement to make a fact of science.

The spiritual views expressed in the Word of GodAllahYHWH have therefore room to be truthful if understood correctly. Revelation or Word of God expresses spiritual aspects of a thing and is a truthful and valid source of knowledge as is science; both have utilities for the human beings to benefit from. We cannot deny one for the other. A man walks with two legs, with just one leg one would be lame; and difficult to walk around conveniently.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
Source(s):

“Philosophy of Teachings of Islam” by the Promised Messiah 1835-1908
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Phi&#8230;