Posts Tagged ‘wisdom’

Buddha and Jesus got knowledge and wisdom from the same one source; hence their similarities

April 22, 2014

One is implored to read/join discussion on the following religious education forum to see the context of this post and then after due deliberation form one’s own independent opinion:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/comparative-religion/161610-has-buddhism-influenced-christianity-6.html#post3734188

Paarsurrey wrote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by idav
I believe the gnostic chritian interpretation parralels the mahayanian buddhist school of thought.

I believe it is possible for anyone can tap into the source since god is within all and they parallel when it works. Whether people attach needless dogma to the concepts doesnt change what it is at its core.

I agree with your thought that since Buddha and Jesus got knowledge and wisdom from the same one source, which I believe to be the light/revelation from the One-True-God, hence similarities in their teachings and the world-view; though they were some five hundred years apart in time.

Regards

How to make a comparative study of Religion?

March 25, 2014

Please click the following link to get the context of the discussion.

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/comments/belief/#comment-8876

paarsurrey
MAR 25, 2014 @ 23:05:55

@unkleE :MAR 21, 2014 @ 03:22:18
Quote : “Hi paarsurrey, how are you going?
You have built this comment around the statement that to know God, we need a revealed book. What you say raises three questions in my mind:
1. Must God reveal himself through a book? Could he ever do it some other way?
2. How do we know which book is the truest revelation of God?
3. How would you propose to discuss these things? If, for example, you simply quoted the Koran and I quoted the Bible, we would get nowhere. So how else can we discuss?
Thanks.” Unquote

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend
I am fine.

“The statement that to know God, we need a revealed book”

I think I did not literally make that statement. Well, I don’t object if one has got that understanding from the post.

unkleE : “to know God, we need a revealed book”
Paarsurrey: To know God and as to how his attributes work; His Word is most useful for that purpose.

I think you also agree with me on this point.

Don’t you?

I try to answer to your other questions below:

1. unkleE :“Must God reveal himself through a book?

Paarsurrey: I think you agree that God revealed Himself on Moses and Jesus; and a Jew or Christian cannot deny that.

Perhaps you want to know from me as to why He did manifest in this way.

Since the One-True-God (Allah Yahweh Ahura-Mazda Parmeshawara Eshawara) is only attributive; He is not a physical or spiritual being that we could see Him with our physical eyes; though we can see his attributes working behind everything in Nature, in silence.

Yet it has always been primarily His communication or Converse through which He had manifested to human beings. Hence the importance of the spoken Word of Revelation which is verbal when revealed and also secured in writing, in the book form, is the most important source of guidance that leads to Him; it can never be over-emphasized.

Nature manifests Him silently but the Word speaks of Him loudly.

unkleE : “Could he ever do it some other way?”

Paarsurrey: Yes; He could manifest Himself in diverse ways; and nobody could limit the ways of his manifestations; yet He cannot be limited by anybody or forced by anybody to change His ways:

[35:44] …………………………….. But thou wilt never find any change in the way of Allah; nor wilt thou ever find any alteration in the way of Allah.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=35&verse=43

For one; all truthful revelation from the One-True-God is to be believed; be it of the past, present and or future; be it on Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad etc; all is to be believed; being from the same source of one God.

2. unkleE: How do we know which book is the truest revelation of God?

Paarsurrey:
a. By comparative study

b. And the reasonable inner-evidence of the Word Revealed according to the attributes of the One-True-God. We could do that; not at all difficult to discern.

3. unkleE: How would you propose to discuss these things? If, for example, you simply quoted the Koran and I quoted the Bible, we would get nowhere.

Paarsurrey: I think you have observed me quoting from the revelations of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad in this connection; I don’t think it will pose a problem even now.

These quotes should not depict simply the authority of God; but the reason/wisdom content in the same must reflect the attribute of God being All-Wise. The quotes must therefore be full of evident reason and wisdom. The gist of the reason must exist there.

It is not a perfect Book if it needs external reasons to be provided; that portion which is devoid of reason must not be from Him.

Nobody is entitled to put words into God’s mouth; He is all-knowing.

Does it help?

What is your thinking on your three questions?

Regards

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/comments/belief/#comment-8878

paarsurrey
MAR 26, 2014 @ 11:53:30
@unkleE: MAR 26, 2014 @ 06:54:25

“if we discuss the revelations we each believe in, how can we draw any conclusions? ”

I think I said that I believe all truthful Word revealed from the One-True-God on His prophets messengers; I even mentioned names of some of them.

I don’t see any problem.

“unless we already have some truth outside the books by which to judge their truth”

If the revelation is truthful; it would have inner truthful evidences also.

“We would need some criteria by which to make our comparisons”

I mentioned reasonable criteria.

“I was using historical and scientific learning”

People write history differently; it is not 100% correct. There was a period when there existed no written history; Truth existed even then.

Science is only a child of the yesterday and works in the things physical and material; Religion guides in ethical, moral and spiritual realms; both work in different spheres. Science cannot prove or disprove important subjects of religion like existence of God.

This is what I think; others could think differently

Regard

Vedas | Quran

May 22, 2013

I have written following posts on my favourite discussion forum; the topic is The Vedas and the Qur’an – Uncreated” < http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/comparative-religion/148225-vedas-quran-uncreated.html>; one could view the same and comment there or in this blog “ Paarsurrey”, my pleasure.

Paarsurrey says:

#2 We Muslims don’t believe that everything written in the Vedas is in the pristine original form; though Truth could be found in the Vedas and other Word revealed before Quran. We don’t reject them.

#5 Please elaborate as to what do you mean by this. Vedas existed before man existed or before man was able to speak?

#6 Yes knowledge is an attribute of the one true God; hence it is eternal with Him. All attributes of the one true God are eternal and not separable from Him.

But I don’t agree that Vedas are eternal; the knowledge of the one true God is with Him he reveals through the perfect men of a time only that is required by the human beings for guidance in ethical, moral and spiritual realms.

[15:22] And there is not a thing but with Us are the treasures thereof and We send it not down except in a known measure.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=15&verse=21

Those who believe in Vedas; should tell the time , place and the man on whom a particular Veda was revealed. Now we are not talking in terms of abstractions but in concrete terms; please.

#9 In fact I had already answered the question in post #6 above, and I again mention the reply from Quran:

[15:22] And there is not a thing but with Us are the treasures thereof and We send it not down except in a known measure.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=15&verse=21

 #12     There are two distinct phenomena.
1. The knowledge of the one true God; he is All-Knowing and none can know better than him as he has created everything in the universe and beyond it; that knowledge is absolute and it is not possible for the humans to know that; our brains don’t have the capacity to know that all. Quran mention it:

[18:110] Say, ‘If the ocean became ink for the words of my Lord, surely, the ocean would be exhausted before the words of my Lord came to an end, even though We brought the like thereof as further help.’
[18:111] Say, ‘I am only a man like yourselves; but I have received the revelation that your God is only One God. So let him who hopes to meet his Lord do good deeds, and let him join no one in the worship of his Lord.’

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=18&verse=109

Like knowledge, wisdom is also an attribute of Him; the All-Wise one true God therefore reveals on His prophets messengers only to the extent which is appropriate for that time; it is wisdom not withholding of any knowledge. The verse already quoted by me in this connection may please be referred <[15:22] And there is not a thing but with Us are the treasures thereof and We send it not down except in a known measure.>.

Thanks

I appreciate Sanatana Dharma  

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the end time reformer/Krishna for Hindus says:

Please click on the page for a readable view.

library.books.Barahin-e-Ahmadiyya-Parts1-2_130

http://www.alislam.org/library/browse/volume/Ruhani_Khazain/book/Braheen_e_Ahmadiyya/#page/101/mode/1up

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http://www.alislam.org/library/browse/volume/Ruhani_Khazain/book/Braheen_e_Ahmadiyya/#page/102/mode/1up

 

 

Buddha on “I am” or ego

April 23, 2013

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Gospel of Buddha says:

“Is not man an organism of many aggregates? Are we not composed of various attributes? Man consists of the material form, of sensation, of thought, of dispositions, and, lastly, of understanding. That which men call the ego when they say ‘I am’ is not an entity behind the attributes; it originates by their co-operation. There is mind; there is sensation and thought, and there is truth; and truth is mind when it walks in the path of righteousness. But there is no separate ego-soul outside or behind the thought of man. He who believes that the ego is a distinct being has no correct conception of things. The very search for the atman is wrong; it is a wrong start and it will lead you in a false direction. 6

“How much confusion of thought comes from our interest inself, and from our vanity when thinking ‘I am so great,’ or ‘I have done this wonderful deed?’ The thought of thine ego stands between thy rational nature and truth; banish it, and then wilt thou see things as they are. He who thinks correctly will rid himself of ignorance and acquire wisdom. The ideas ‘I am’ and ‘I shall be’ or ‘I shall not be’ do not occur to a clear thinker. 7

Page-30 Chapter-IX “THE BODHISATTA’S SEARCH.”

http://www.arthursbookshelf.com/Buddhism/The%20Gospel%20of%20Buddha%20-%20Paul%20Carus.pdf

Quran says:
Giving the example of “self” who has acquired goodness.

[89:28] And thou, O soul* at peace!
[89:29] Return to thy Lord well pleased with Him and He well pleased with thee.
[89:30] So enter thou among My chosen servants,
[89:31] And enter thou My Garden**.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=89&verse=28
* Could be translated as “self”.
**Could be translated as “heaven”.

And example of evil self going to hell.

[12:54] ‘And I do not hold my own self to be free from weakness; for, the soul is surely prone to enjoin evil, save that whereon my Lord has mercy. Surely, my Lord is Most Forgiving, Merciful.’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=12&verse=53

Paarsurrey says:

So according to Buddha, as I understand, the core of our ego ultimately depends on attributes that we acquire; if our self acquires good attributes and become one with the one true God that is one’s heaven and if our self acquires evil attributes, one becomes evil which has its abode in hell; in this sense heaven and hell are our own creation; one true creator God has only set rules for conduct with justice.

Quran resolves all contradictions and ambiguities of Torah and Gospels

April 8, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/quran-is-neither-ambiguous-nor-contradictory/#comment-980

wudjab Says:
April 7, 2010 at 9:15 pm

Is this the same quran that real muslims (Shia, Sunni, etc) believe in or is this the magical Ahmediya version ?

Paarsurrey says:

April 8, 2010 at 11:08 am

Hi friend wudjab

Quran, the first and the foremost source of guidance of Islam is the same whatever the denomination; and it has not changed from the time it was revealed. It is the pristine Word of the Creator- God Allah YHWH. It has got all the lasting and truthful teachings of all the religions of the world; including OTBible or Torah and the NTBible.

There are many contradictions and ambiguities in the Bible and their followers are perplexed to note them, as you must have observed. If they have claims for the issues, they don’t have reasons for them in their books and if they have reason, which is very seldom; they don’t have the claims for that in their books.

To resolve such contradictions their followers have to add something from their own selves which mean they add wisdom to their Books which was not there to start with.

All such contradictions and ambiguities are resolved by Quran.

The text of the Quran is the same for Shias, Sunnis and Ahmadis. Ahmadis neither believe in any magic nor do we have any magical version of the Quran.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslims

The world has become like a close-net village

November 28, 2009

The world has become like a close-net village
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4253&p=82713#p82713

Hello Paar, I understand your love of Jesus, Mary and Moses. However, about Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster and Cyrus, are you sure you are not violating the Quranic injunction?

Buddha particularly was an agnostic or a Deist who never really discussed about divinity and supernatural in his teaching. Maybe your answer will be that these people were originally prophets but their teachings interpolated over time period. Right?

How about Confucius? Do you love him too?

Humanity is but one family.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friends.

Since Quran is a Word of Revelation from the All-Wise, the Creator- God Allah YHWH; He sent Messenger Prophets to all the lands of the world to guide the humanity to His path. Now that the world has become like a close-net village; all these Messengers Prophets have been honored by Muhammad. The truthful Revelations, deeds/acts of all these Messengers Prophets have been secured in Quran; and their role has been set by God to introduce their nations and lead them to Muhammad – the Seal of Messengers Prophets; Muhammad authenticates their truthfulness, under lasting principles mentioned in Quran.

I love Jesus, Mary, Moses, Moses’ mother, Krishna, Buddha, Lao Tse , Confucius, Socrates, Zoroaster, Cyrus etc great leaders of the world in Ethics, Morals and Spirituality; I love them all; this is the teaching of Quran/Islam/Muhammad as explained by the Promised Messiah 1835-1908. I think it has got a lot of common sense and wisdom; my Atheist and Agnostic friends would admit.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Is it not essential that God’s word should be straightforward for the text as to claims and full of rational and logical reasons stated there in the context, if God is full of Wisdom?

May 21, 2009

Maaark says:

Do you take truth seriously? Does Allah judge people who speak things not true? If I say bad things about Mohamed Muslims will kill me.

But Allah of Christians is more strong because I do not kill for Allah I believe He will judge. But if you tell lies about Jesus or Paul don’t you fear judgment of Allah? You should be responsible to check if these things are true before you say them.

I do not say things about Mohamed (bless him) because I do not know and have not read Koran.

I can only speak of Jesus who I know. If you have sincere questions about Bible you can ask.

But I tell you one thing that Paul could not change books not written by him. That is why several authors wrote New Testament. Paul only wrote part. He has no power to change other parts. Speak the truth not lies.

Paarsurrey says:
Hi friend maaark

You seem to be angry, perhaps. I think we may continue our discussion in peace. I respect your faith.

Please don’t mind, it is just a discussion to reach the truth.

Now just think about my viewpoint. I would have never known about Jesus and Mary and the Word of God Allah YHWH revealed on them; till I was first introduced about them by Quran.

Quran told me about them and I was filled with love and respect about them. This was more so because Quran gives rational and logical reasons also which convince one to the core of one’s heart.

Later some Christian friends presented me with full Bible, OT + NT, so I read them also from cover to cover, both the Catholic version and the Protestant version.

This reading confirmed many things which Quran had stated; but there were things in the Bible, I could not agree with. Bible could not present any rational and logical arguments with the text for the things which differed with Quran.

My love of Jesus and Mary did not allow me to accept things in the Bible which were against Jesus’ and Mary’s character and for which Bible could not present any rational and logical reasons, itself, if it was from God Allah YHWH.

I am not against Paul or the gospel writers; but for love of Jesus and Mary, I cannot accept if they write things which are not meaningful.

So the only solution is dialogue and discussion.

Thanks for your offering me to ask questions if I like.

My question is: is it not essential that God’s word should be straightforward for the text as to claims and full of rational and logical reasons stated there in the context, if God is full of Wisdom?

Please forgive me if I said anything which hurt your feelings unknowingly; I had however no intention doing it to you.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

If Jesus was missing from Judea, and he was reported by Hindus and Buddhists in India or Tibet; why should it be doubted? Are Romans more trustworthy than the Indians or Tibetans?

May 16, 2009

Brooksrobinson says:

paarsuery

There is one issue with this that I can see straight up without having much personal dealings with Buddhist teachings. As I have not read much of Buddhist teachings personally, I do know enough of about Buddhism to have a red flag raised with your argument here. Now, what I mean argument in the sense that you have made a statement, that is, the Buddha prophesized about Jesus, and provided “evidence” for this statement.

The red flag raised by your argument is that the writings of Buddha came hundreds of years after Buddha and were written by later followers of his ideas. In other words, the same argument you used against me about Jesus and the Gospel, that is Jesus never wrote the Gospel himself, nor did he commission anyone to write such a thing, thus we cannot take what the Gospels say about Jesus as truth. This same idea can be applied to your idea of Buddha, that is, he never commissioned anyone to write his teachings, nor did he write them himself. They came long after Buddha’s death (even later then the Gospels in relation to Jesus, the earliest manuscripts came a couple hundred years, the later manuscripts almost 400 years after Buddha). Thus your argument on rejecting the Gospels can be applied to the foundation you have used to project the truth of your idea of Jesus.

Brooks

Paarsurrey says:

My submission is not that the entire Hindu Scriptures or Buddhist Scriptures or the Christian Scriptures should be accepted as truthful; all of them are subject to research. All Scriptures should be respected on a broad base; nevertheless having some or many bad or good points; it is not difficult to see through the corruption.

When a thief steals something, he leaves some the clues there; a Sherlock Homes would find out the wrongdoer. If somebody murders; there is often a purpose of that murder pointing out to the culprit. Human wisdom and reasoning could do wonders.

Investigation could be done as is customary for the criminals. It is not an ordinary mistake; it is playing with the innocent human being’s life. Unusual should be compared with the usual. If there are contradictions, one can choose normal from the abnormal.

If we accept without investigation; that means we cannot separate right from the wrong or virtue from the wrong. Then our faith is worthless or good for nothing. Our faith does not require that; it is becoming totally blind. It would be leaping into the dark right into the ditch or the devil.

When did Jesus say that we should not discern right from the wrong? Jesus did not say anything like that. If he did say then please quote text with the context and wisdom.

If Jesus was missing from Judea, and he was reported by Hindus and Buddhists in India or Tibet; why should it be doubted? Is it abnormal to travel to India rather than ascending to skies? If a man is missing in London and he is seen in Washington; should we doubt it?

I love Jesus and Mary as I love Moses and his mother.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Jesus died, at the ripe age of 120 after accomplishment of his mission; respectfully, naturally and peacefully and is said to be buried in a tomb at Mohallah Khanyar, Sirinagar, Kashmir India

May 15, 2009

Collin Messer says:

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/is-it-paul%e2%80%99s-or-jesus%e2%80%99-christianity/#comments

Paarsurrey

It seems to me that you are saying that because Paul and the other apostles/disciples were sinful that their words are meaningless?

First of all, all scripture is “God breathed”, meaning that it is inerrant and in line with God’s will.

If I am wrong in my assumption then I apologize and maybe you could clarify for me.

Collin

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Collin Messer

Thank you for visiting my blog and commenting here. You are always welcome to comment; even if your comments are differing with me; it adds to our knowledge and friendship anyway. Please feel free to express yourself fully.

I respect your faith.

I don’t mean that because Paul and the other apostles/disciples were sinful so their words always have to be meaningless; yet what you would do if their words are actually found to have no divine credulity. We cannot take everything they said to be divine or for granted.

I don’t see any merit in them to describe that whatever they wrote in their scriptures was “God breathed”. Jesus never said that whatever these disciples said is to be believed truthful. Even before Jesus himself, they said things which Jesus did not like. They were supposed to be faithful with Jesus that is why they are called disciples; but they deserted him when he needed them; they fled away from the scene of the Cross.

Later these deserters and unfaithful people came up with stories, eulogizing Jesus; why should we accept such stories and fables without scrutinizing them. Why should we become blind; when we can see through the things with the God gifted wisdom? We can apprehend the game they played with Jesus. Why should be we tight lipped about them; while they did things totally against Jesus’ wishes? We should expose trickery of Paul and the sinful scribes, if we are with Jesus. At least I would side with Jesus.

When God Allah YHWH heard the prayers of Jesus done at the garden called Gethsemane; and saved Jesus life, and Jesus did not die a cursed death on Cross. When Jesus got cured of his injuries in Joseph Arimathea’s tomb he was laid, he slipped away secretly towards India along with Mary. He was disgusted with these so called disciples; and did not take them along.

So they perhaps made up the stories disgusted, in shame and frustration.

I doubt God ever breathed anything in their ears. It was Paul who whispered, conspired and eavesdropped foul things into their ears. Moreover one could see many things in their writings where they erred undoubtedly and talked against the will of God and very much out of line; how and why should we declare them inerrant?

Paul and his associates took liberty as Jesus was not present there; he had gone to fulfill his mission assigned to him by God Allah YHWH; and he accomplished that mission successfully. Later Jesus died there respectfully, naturally and peacefully at the age of about 120 years as they say; and is buried in a tomb at Mohallah Khanyar, Sirinagar, Kashmir India.

I think this helps. This is what I believe sincerely.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Quran a Book of Systems, which is sufficient to testify that Quran is not authored by a man

May 5, 2009

Paul8bee says:

I have never read the Koran; therefore I can not have much of an opinion of what it says in that book. The fact is, that not one piece of literature is so perfect as to “not be misunderstood” .Human interpretation can twist the entire message. Having said all that, I’ll get to the point.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend paul8bee

You may start reading Quran. It is not a voluminous book. It might be a little larger than the four gospels combined.

It provides guidance on temporal, moral and spiritual matters. Quran does not want that it should be believed only as a book of authority from an authority. It provides the wisdom to a thing and reason and logical arguments, in a way, that it is not a tedious book like the books of philosophy which are full with difficult terminology not understood by the common man. It mentions wisdom for the Philosophers, experts and the common people all at one time; as it is guidance for everybody.

Even of I don’t quote from the Quran, I write taking wisdom from it which convinces others, as first I am myself convinced with it. If I sometimes mention that I have taken this reasoning from Quran; it is for the reason that it would morally be bad for me if I take something from a sources yet without acknowledging it. Can we ignore the rights of an author? No we cannot.

I think I should give here an example.
As I understand from your blog, you have made a lot of research on spirits, and I appreciate that.

Quran mentions following points in this connection:

1. Everything in the Universe has been created by the Creator God Allah YHWH; if that is correct then logically the spirits which are in this Universe, are created by Him. This is exactly mentioned in Quran, as I understand from it. If you differ with it, no compulsion; then give your reasoning on this point.

2. Creator God, by definition is the one who has created everything, yet He has been created by none; that make Him self-existing. I think you also agree with it; no compulsion.

3. God is only eternal; so logically the spirits are his creation, so the spirits could not be eternal. You may give reasoning if you differ with this; however no compulsion.

4. When partners meet, husband and wife, the creation of a child starts, till it reaches a form fit to receive life. God commands the spirit or soul into the fetus, so it is logical to believe that the spirit or soul grows and or evolves within the fetus. Yet, I acknowledge that I have taken all these points from the Quran. Quran mentions claims and reason.

5. I would like to submit here and one must note it that it is only Quran from amongst the Revealed Word, which provides us the text for a claim and also a pertinent reason thereof within the usual context which often consist on five preceding and five following verses, in my opinion.

6. This make Quran a Book of Systems or a book with wonders, which is sufficient in itself to testify that Quran is not authored by a man, impossible to do by a man, but by the Creator God Allah YHWH himself has authored it.

There is however no compulsion to believe in Quran, blindly. But it will also not be fair if we see a truthful system in it, yet we deny it. It would be just killing the truth, in my opinion.

This is what we experience in our everyday life also. There is no compulsion to believe that this world is physically working under a set of systems, which are only discovered by the scientists yet not created by them. If there would have been no physical systems, rather haphazardness; this Universe won’t work and the Scientists won’t be able to propound theories and discover Laws and making any inventions. They only would find a system or knowledge if it already exists but inherent in the things.

If the Scientists would deny such systems, within and without us, that would tantamount denying the Science and Knowledge and Truth altogether; yet there is no compulsion but only an acknowledgement of the Truth.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Regards

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim