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The act of Abraham sacrificing his son Ishmael never happened in literal and real terms

May 11, 2014


May 11, 2014 at 7:40 pm
@MAKAGUTU says:May 11, 2014 at 7:02 pm
“Paarsurrey, in the bible, it is recorded that Abe was asked by god to sacrifice his son. By your comment can we say that this retelling of the narrative is not factual or what is your stand?” Unquote

Bible is neither authored by Abraham nor by Moses. Its different books have been authored by anonymous narrators and the scribes. It is not the original Word of God in the original language revealed.

Dreams and visions are always or most often interpret-able.

It only meant that Abraham and his offspring shall have to face hardships in the path of God (Allah Yahweh Tao) and would have to devout their lives; in service of the humanity for its ethical, moral and spiritual uplift.

Abraham and Ishmael were sure about it from their experience with the One-True-God; they knew that the He won’t let them accomplish an unreasonable act; and would bring out reasonable solution of the matter.

And the act of Abraham sacrificing his son Ishmael never happened in literal and real terms.

Abraham and his progeny did devote their lives to the cause of religion and that is how it took place in real terms; and that is what one should focus on.

The matter of as to how to interpret such dreams and visions was settled for all times.


Faculty of reason: Faculty to receive Revelation

April 11, 2013

Man has been bestowed with the faculty of reasoning for guidance in ordinary matters though not equally to everybody; it differs from person to person. The same way man has been bestowed with the faculty to receive revelation from the one true creator God.

These two faculties make man specifically distinct from an animal. Adam got evolved and was better equipped with the tools of speaking, reasoning; he also got Revelation from the one true creator God and that was an epoch making event in human evolution and history.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah and the End-Time Reformer of all religions explains this phenomenon:


“As God has invested man with the faculty of reason for the understanding to some degree of elementary matters, in the same way God has vested in him a hidden faculty of receiving revelation.

When human reason arrives at the limit of its reach, at that stage God Almighty, for the purpose of leading His true and faithful servants to the perfection of understanding and certainty, guides them through revelation and visions.

Thus the stages which reason could not traverse are traversed by means of revelation and visions, and seekers after truth thereby arrive at full certainty.

This is the way of Allah, to guide to which Prophets have appeared in the world and without treading along which no one can arrive at true and perfect understanding; but an unfortunate dry philosopher is so much in a hurry that he desires that whatever has to be disclosed should be disclosed at the stage of reason.

He does not know that reason cannot carry a burden beyond its strength, nor can it step forward further than its capacity. He does not reflect that to carry a person to his desired excellence God Almighty has bestowed upon him not only the faculty of reason but also the faculty of receiving revelation.

It is the height of misfortune to make use of only the elementary means out of those that God has, out of His Perfect Wisdom, bestowed upon man for the purpose of recognizing God, and to remain ignorant of the rest. It is foolish to waste those faculties through lack of use and to derive no benefit from them.

A person who does not use the faculty of receiving revelation but denies its existence cannot be a true philosopher, whereas the existence of this faculty has been established by the testimony of thousands of the righteous and all men of true understanding have arrived at perfect understanding through this means”


(Surma Chashm Arya (Qadian, 1886), Now published in Ruhani Khazain, Volume 2 (London, 1984) Arya, pp. 39-42).

Jesus and Mary did not need to wager for religion like Pascal did; they got sure knowledge of the one true God. People like Paul did not have this faculty; so they ventured and invented weird concepts and creeds of a new religion “Christianity- a misnomer” which was deviant from the path that Jesus and Mary followed.

It is for this deviation that people like Blaise Pascal, Christian Aplolgists, had to wager on religion; and had to cut a sorry figure against the atheists like Christopher Hitchens.

I would like everybody who writes on to enlighten about his previous ‎and present faith/religion; it would help to understand in a number of ways their opinions, ‎perspectives and visions

July 10, 2009

‎• 4. paarsurrey Says:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:44 pm ‎

Hi friends

I understand that this forum is of the ex-Muslims. May I request the following friends ‎who ‎have posted into this thread as to what was their denomination when they choose to ‎leave ‎Islam? Please also mention as to what religion/denomination they joined when they ‎left ‎Islam.

‎1.‎ Shafee al-Zindig ‎
‎2.‎ proudkafir
‎3.‎ Raisin Head ‎

This is only an optional question out of curiousity; no compulsion to answer.‎

‎• 5. Raisin Head Says:
July 5th, 2009 at 11:11 pm ‎
To the Admadi Muslim

I was never a muslim, I read the crap and it said kill non-muslims and no way would I kill ‎anyone. Next, it called my people, blacks, ugly nappy headed pug nosed slaves or abeeds. ‎You must be kidding if you think I would read such evil and join it. Why did you. I love ‎all people aS GOD CREATED ALL OF US AND aRABS ARE NO BETTER THAN ‎anyone else. They stink like anyone else.‎

‎• 9. Shafee al-Zindig Says:
July 6th, 2009 at 9:42 am ‎

To satisfy your curiosity and to silence those who would falsely claim that we are all ‎Jews pretending to be ex-Muslims.‎

I was born to a Hanafi Sunni family going back many generations. As I grew older and ‎wiser after many years of study of all points of view, I realized that Islam was not for me.‎

I am content to remain a freethinker and see no need to exchange one mind-numbing ‎addictive drug such as Islam for any other. It is like giving up cocaine and taking up ‎heroin. Why would anybody be that foolish?‎

‎• 10. ibrahim Says:
July 6th, 2009 at 4:34 pm ‎

I was born in a Sunni Ahle Hadith family of Kashmir. I was a practicing Muslim till ‎about 3 years back. Being from an Ahle Hadith family, I was particularly unhappy with ‎blasphemers including Ahmedis, Agha Khanis, Dawoodi Bohras, and I considered all of ‎them fuel for hell fire.

Thanks to FFI and my own intelligence, I got out of this cult called Islam. It took me ‎almost 3 years to get over my fear of hell fire as this was the last connecting link between ‎Islam and me.

23. paarsurrey Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

I thank brothers and friends in humanity here in these forums; who write here and who were Muslim ‎previously and changed their religion. Following have answered my query and I thank ‎them in this connection:‎
Raisin Head, Shafee al-Zindig ,Ibrahim, ‎

Our friend proudkafir has opted not to enlighten us about his previous faith or his present ‎religion. I thank him also.‎

I would like everybody who writes here to enlighten us about his previous and present ‎faith/religion; it helps to understand in a number of ways their opinions, perspectives and ‎visions, if they talk rationally and logically with good intellectual arguments.‎

All human beings are but a family; love for all, hatred for none.‎


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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