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Jesus of Bible showed no signs; Jesus himself admitted before the Jews

May 9, 2009

Teachings of the Gospels—which the Christians are so proud of—are extremely flawed and ineffective

The Second Coming 1835-1908 says:

Just consider, can a person dare to give such a challenge to the whole world, while being a plagiarist and having cooked the whole thing up on his own, and knowing full well that this knowledge has not come to him from the unseen, rather he has stolen it from such and such books, and to think that no one should be able to accept his challenge and expose him!

The fact is that the Christians are extremely annoyed with the Holy Quran, for it has destroyed the very basis of their  religion. It has refuted the concept of deifying a human being, shattered the doctrine of the cross, and proven beyond all doubt that the teachings of the Gospels—which the Christians are so proud of—are extremely flawed and ineffective. It was, therefore, only natural for their tic passions to have been aroused, and their imputations [against the Holy Quran] are quite understandable.

The example of a Muslim who wishes to convert to Christianity is like a person who, having been born from his mother’s womb and having attained maturity, wishes to return to her womb and become a sperm once more. I wonder what the Christians are so proud of! If they have a ‘God’, he is the one who died long ago and lies buried in Mohalla Khanyar, Srinagar, Kashmir. And if he has any miracles to his name, they are no greater than those of other Prophets, indeed Prophet Elijah showed greater miracles than he ever did. In the eyes of the Jews, Jesus(as) showed no miracles at all, and it was all deception and trickery. (12) And if we look at his prophecies, most of them turned out to be false. Will some padre tell us if the twelve disciples were indeed given twelve thrones in Paradise, as they had been promised! And will someone tell us if, in keeping with his prophecy, Jesus(as) got the Kingdom of the World, for which—by the way—weapons
were also acquired. And did Jesus(as) descend from heaven in those very days, as he had promised?

Let me tell you that there can be no question of his descent, for he never went to heaven in the first place. European scholars also concur with this belief. The fact is that Jesus survived the crucifixion in a state of near death, and then secretly fled to Kashmir through India where he [ultimately] died.13 The teachings of the Gospels—regardless of whether they have been accused of plagiarism—emphasize only the human faculties of forbearance and forgiveness, and discard the rest. Everyone can understand that nothing which has been given to mankind by Divine Omnipotence is without a purpose, and every human faculty has a function.

Just as forgiveness and forbearance is considered a great virtue at certain times and occasions, so is retaliation, revenge and retribution considered a commendable moral quality at other times and on other occasions. Neither forgiveness, nor punishment is always desirable.

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Foot Notes:
12 This statement of the Jews is corroborated by Jesus (as) himself, for he says in the Gospels, “An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign, and there shall no sign be given unto it…” If Jesus (as) had shown miracles to the Jews, he would surely have referred to them on this occasion. [Author]

13 Those, who call themselves Muslims and yet believe that Jesus (as) ascended to heaven in his physical body, utter an absurdity against the Holy Quran which affirms Jesus’ death in the verse * , and precludes the possibility of a man ascending to heaven in the verse ** . How ignorant of them to hold a belief in
contradiction to the Word of God! There can be no greater folly than to translate the word tawaffa as ‘being lifted to heaven with one’s physical body’. Firstly, in no lexicon do we find the word tawaffa being translated
as such.

Moreover, since the verse speaks about the Day of Judgement, and this is what Jesus (as) will have to say for himself on that day, it follows that the Last Day will arrive but Jesus (as) will not have died, for he will have presented himself before God in his physical body before he could ever be made to suffer death. To misinterpret the Holy Quran thus is to surpass even the Jews in the art of interpolation! [Author]

* …when Thou didst cause me to die…—Al -Ma’idah, 5:118 [Publishers]

** Say, my Allah is Holy, I am not but a human being and a Messenger of God.—Bani Isra’il, 17:94 [Publishers]

12 This statement of the Jews is corroborated by Jesus (as) himself, for he says in the Gospels, “An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign, and there shall no sign be given unto it…” If Jesus (as) had shown miracles to the Jews, he would surely have referred to them on this occasion. [Author]

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Fountain-of-Christianity-20080505MN.pdf

OOO

The News:

One will, perhaps, love to read the following:

“Holy War”: Is it Armageddon? With its “Peaceful Version”!

“Holy War”: Is it Armegiddon / Armageddon? – with its “Peaceful Version”! 1 | paarsurrey (wordpress.com)

One will be taken aback to note that Armegiddon/Armageddon is nothing like as one would have imagined or known so far. It is not to be fought with any physical and destructive weaponry and or the lethal arsenal of the day. It is peaceful and in fact, I understand, had already been started and it is sown like a seed!

It was a debate between the Pauline-Christianity (represented by Mr. Abdullah Atham) and the Second Coming 1835-1908 , that took place in Urdu language and was published then by the name “Jang-e-Muqaddas” in 1893 ( 22 May 1893 to 5 June 1893) in the then British India and has been recently translated and published in English by the name “The Holy War”:

The Holy War — A DEBATE BETWEEN ISLAM & CHRISTIANITY — Jang-e-Muqaddas (alislam.org)

 

Right?

From: a peaceful Ahmadiyya Muslim

Mere sinful scribes could not make Jesus of Bible any better god

May 2, 2009

Paul cleverly tried to create a god out of a humble man Jesus, who cried helplessly on the Cross to his Lord God Allah YHWH to save his life

Jesus did not die on Cross but he died a natural and peaceful death in Mohallah Khanyar, Sirinagar, Kashmir, India.

fgenej11 says:

Regarding yesterday’s comment on Jesus being accountable to Allah, it is Muhammad who will be held to account for rejecting Jesus as the Messiah, and making Him out to be a mere man. Time will tell. Thanks

Paarsurrey says:

I think you have not read the Quran, if you have read it you would have known that Muhammad accepted Jesus as a Messiah and did not deny him. Please read my posts titled “Quran Study for Christian friends” to refresh you memory in this connection. Muhammad was magnanimous towards Jesus and his mother Mary and supported them against the cruel Jews.

Mere sinful scribes could not make Jesus of Bible any better god, Jesus remained a poor man obedient to his Lord God Allah YHWH. It is not Muhammad who made Jesus a mere man it is the reality which did cut his exaggerated status to the real size. One cannot improve upon a reality however you may try. It is only a trick of cunning and sinful Paul who created a god out of a humble man Jesus who cried helplessly on the Cross to his Lord God Allah YHWH to save his life.

See, cruel Paul’s animosity towards Jesus. Paul exploited even Jesus suffering on the Cross to his own advantage. Paul was eventually killed for as a punishment of such misdeeds; though his trick continued, till it was exposed by Muhammad and later by his truthful Caliph, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the Promised Messiah, the Second Coming. Like the staff of Moses, supported with Quran, Promised Messiah has smashed the myth woven by Paul just with one stroke that Jesus did not die on Cross but he died a natural and peaceful death in Mohallah Khanyar, Sirinagar, Kashmir, India.

Jesus could not create himself a god; he was born naturally of a woman called Mary. Similarly time is created by God Allah YHWH and it is not in your favor as well. Why make time a shield of your arguments, while, even a Hindu, a Sikh, a Catholic, a Protestant, a JW, a Mormon, would easily give the same argument and try to hide behind it. If one can’t find a good argument now, time would not provide him anything later.

If one is capable of establishing one’s argument through rational arguments, undisputed testimonies, and heavenly signs; why take a time out. Now, is the right time?

Please have a heart, collect your strength; you have simply to look into your Bible, if you have any rational and bright argument in there; please feel free to present it here. You are welcome to present anything reasonable.

You are a friend, don’t hesitate. Welcome for a friendly discussion here; no compulsion whatsoever.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Jesus is neither Son of God nor God in physical/literal sense but in metaphoric sense as per usage of Bible

November 15, 2008

Our learned friend R H Kelkar, who has translated New Testament into Marathi, a language in South India, has made following observations in his write-up titled “The Meaning of ‘Nava Karar “which could be viewed in entirety at :

http://marathibible.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/the-meaning-of-nava-karar/

We only give here only one point mentioned by him:

The New Testament or ‘Nava Karar’ portrays God as a loving and forgiving father, who sent His son Jesus Christ to this world in human form with an offer of salvation for all humanity.

Paarsurrey says:

The above point is not correctly derived by him from the OTBible; and hence it is not supported by Quran- the pristine and most secure Revealed Book among the Revealed Religions and hence incorrect. God is not a physical being; He has rather created the whole physical phenomenon as He willed. Nobody shares this or other of his attributes. Hence God is nobody’s physical or literal father.

God is father of the humans in a metaphoric sense, nothing could get created without his order/will; and this is the theme of the OTBible. God has no literal wife or He needs no sex that his off-shoots are called Sons of God. This is only in the metaphoric sense otherwise it does not carry any meaning literally and physically. GodAllahYHWH needs no wife or son; this is only a phenomenon of the mortal beings and a sort of extension of life given by the Creator to one’s species. GodAllahYHWH is immortal. Quran is very clear in this aspect:

[112:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[112:2] Say ‘He is Allah, the One!
[112:3] Allah the Independent and Besought of all.
[112:4] ‘He begets not, nor, is He begotten,
[112:5] And there is none like unto Him.
http://www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?ch=112

We can agree with R H Kelkar if he reconciles to the above explanation.

Jesus did not pay any debt of any human beings as maintained by R H Kelkar. Jesus never died a cursed death on Cross as incorrectly invented by Paul at Rome to misguide the Christian sheep. Jesus was not a scapegoat of Paul and his associated i.e., the Catholic Church.

If anybody has any debt, he shall have to pay it himself. When Paul propounded this philosophy, Jesus was at that time traveling in India, happily among his Jewish lost sheep of which he was also a shepherd. He was never a shepherd of the Gentiles; this is a concept wrongly ascribed to Jesus; this debt Paul shall have to pay for.

OTBible Says:

Son of God

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. JOHN 3.16

A DESCRIPTIVE TERM:
And they made a proclamation in Judah and Jerusalem unto all the children of captivity. EZRA 10.7

Then said he, These are the two sons of oil, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth. ZECHARIA 4.14

Behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial [satin], beset the house round about. JUDGES 19.22

The good seed are the children of the kingdom. MATTHEW 13.38

JESUS NOT THE FIRST BORN SON:

ANGELS
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan was among them. JOB 1.6 & 2:1

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy. JOB 38.7

CHILDREN OF RIGHTEOUS:
That the sons of god saw the daughters of men that they were fair. GENESIS 6.2

THE ISRAELITES:

And thou shalt say to Pharaoh. Thus said the Lord, Israel is my son, even my first born. EXODUS 4.22

And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me. EXODUS 4.23

You are the children of the Lord, your God. DEUTERONOMY 14.1

Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea. Ye are the sons of the living God. HOSEA 1.10

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/biblical/chapter_4.html

Ahmadiyya under guidance of the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 Says:

• The Term “Son of God”

While the term “Son of God” has been used in reference to Jesus, it should be noted that God has used this title for many of His chosen ones.

For example, God, in the Old Testament refers to David: “I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, ‘You are my Son; today I have begotten you’” * (Psalm 2:7)

Furthermore, in a New Testament genealogy, Adam is listed as the “Son of God” (Luke 3.38).

In fact, some may argue that Adam could have a greater claim over the “Sonship of God” because, unlike Jesus, he had neither an earthly father nor mother.

In order to reconcile these references and many others, it is not unreasonable to conclude, that the Biblical usage of the term “Son of God” does not necessarily connote a literal “sonship to God” but a metaphorical one instead.

The Nature of Jesus

This metaphorical understanding is furthered by Jesus’ own words and actions. Jesus is known to have engaged in many human devotional activities such as fasting and praying. But perhaps the most significant evidence is that Jesus claimed to lack knowledge of the future because, as he claimed, only the Father possessed perfect knowledge. (Mark 13:32).

This is especially notable since Christian doctrine holds the view that Jesus’ nature is a “hypostatic union”. That is, he was “fully divine” and “fully man” at the same time. If this were true, then he should have at no point denied his own omniscience.

These, in addition to other philosophical considerations, lead one to question the biblical term “Son of God” and its literal application to Jesus.

http://www.alislam.org/topics/jesus/

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Baba Nanak was a great blessing from God for the adherents of Hinduism

September 7, 2008

Promised Messiah says:

No doubt Baba Nanak was a great blessing from God for the adherents of Hinduism. You may deem him, if you please, the last avatar for Hinduism who endeavoured to eradicate the hatred which Hindus had for Islam. But it is tragic for this country that Hindu faith did not derive any benefit from this Divine blessing which came in the person of Baba Nanak. On the contrary, the Pundits inflicted much pain upon him for praising Islam wherever he went.

It was his mission in fact to bring Hinduism and Islam to a state of mutual peace. Unfortunately for this country, the followers of the Hindu faith paid no due attention to his teaching. If he and his pious teachings had been shown any respect, the Hindus and the Muslims would have become united by now. O grief that such a righteous man came into this world, remained with us and passed away, but the imprudent did not gain any benefit from his light!

In any case, he proved that the institution of revelation and communion never terminates and that the Divine signs of Allah always appear through the agency of His chosen ones and he stood witness to the fact that harbouring enmity towards Islam is tantamount to harbouring enmity towards the Divine light. Similarly, I can also, from personal experience, give testimony that the present age has certainly not been deprived of communication and revelation from God.

On the contrary, God still speaks as He used to speak and still hears as He used to hear. It is not that His eternal attributes have become inoperative.

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Testimonium Flavianum:Josephus on Jesus

September 5, 2008

Paar Surrey: to “christchurch@christchurchreformed.com”
Date Sep 4, 2008 1:50 PM
Subject: Jesus did not die a cursed death on Cross

Hi

I have read your write-up on http://www.christchurchreformed.com/Swoon.htm. Since you do not have any proof from secular history, I think, you should belive what the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 has said. Kindly visit my blogs:
https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com
http://whitemunara.blogspot.com
http://paarsurrey.livejournal.com

and kindly read many articles on the issue of Jesus not dying a cursed death on Cross. Kindly make any comments;even differing opinions are welcome

I respect your faith.

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

The above e-mail was sent in response to the write-up of:
http://www.christchurchreformed.com/Swoon.htm,
as desired by them.

Paarsurrey:

I have received an e-mail in resposnse, a lengthy one; a portion of it mentioning Josephus is given here with my response at the end.

Aaron Goerner: <AGoerner@adelphia.net
Of christchurchreformed

Hi,

Thank you for your email.

I hope I am correct in assuming that you are interested in serious discussion and that we can move beyond name calling, fallacies, evasion, bias, special pleading and red herrings that are far too common. Are you willing to engage with well-informed and honest arguments in which we both are willing to consider and diligently answer one another’s statements? If I were to demonstrate the Qur’an is wrong about the death of Jesus would you be willing to leave Islam and accept Christianity? On the other hand, if you convince me that Jesus did not die on the cross, then I am willing to convert to Islam.
You mentioned that I do not have any proof from secular history. This is simply not true. In fact, this indicates to me that you are less than honest because you did not carefully read what I wrote:
The historical evidence demonstrates Jesus died on the cross.
• Josephus (Jewish historian born around 37 AD and died 100 AD) refers to Jesus’ death (Antiquities 18.3.3).
• Tacitus (AD 55-120), a renowned historian of ancient Rome wrote around 115 A.D. that Christ was “executed” by Pilate (Annals 15.44).

Sincerely,

Aaron

Paarsurrey says:

There is no evidence based on secular history sources confirming that Jesus died a cursed death on Cross.

Needless to mention that Josepus was not alive in the time of Jesus to qualify for a firsthand testimony; more so, as the whole Christian mythology invented by Paul is based on this single point;unknown to Jesus himself.

Please read the following excerpts on Josephus, the foremost source often quoted by Christians, to prove their point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

Josephus on Jesus

There are two extant references in Josephus on Jesus, the one directly concerning Jesus has come to be known as the Testimonium Flavianum. These passages appear in The Antiquities of the Jews, written in the year 93 by the Jewish historian Josephus. All extant copies of this work, which all derive from Christian sources, even the recently recovered Arabic version, contain the two passages about Jesus. The authenticity of the Testimonium Flavianum has been disputed since the 17th century, and by the mid 18th century the consensus view was that it was a forgery. This conclusion was questioned in the 20th century and the intellectual controversy will probably never be resolved.

One of the earliest ecclesiastical authorities to condemn the Testimonium Flavianum as a forgery was Bishop Warburton of Gloucester (circa 1770). He described it as “a rank forgery, and a very stupid one, too.” [27] Frank R. Zindler commented that Eusebius simply improved “the germ of the Testimonium (that) had already begun to infect certain Christian-copied versions of Antiquities of the Jews.”
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Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Jesus is not a scapegoat of Paul’s sins

July 17, 2008

R H Kelkar Says:

Our learned friend R H Kelkar, who has translated New Testament into Marathi, a language in South India, has made following observations in his write-up titled “The Meaning of ‘Nava Karar “which could be viewed in entirety at : http://marathibible.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/the-meaning-of-nava-karar/

We only give salient points from his observations:

1. God had prescribed laws for His people. Those who followed them enjoyed privileges and God’s protection, and those who disobeyed the laws incurred punishment and God’s wrath.

2. The New Testament or ‘Nava Karar’ portrays God as a loving and forgiving father, who sent His son Jesus Christ to this world in human form with an offer of salvation for all humanity.

3. The price of our salvation has been paid on our behalf by Jesus Christ.

Paarsurrey comments:

We agree with his first point which is, in my opinion, the theme of OTBible and is correct as it agrees with Quran the Holy and the most secure Word of GodAllahYHWH.

The second point is not correctly derived by him from the OTBible or fom his first observation; hence it is not supported by Quran and hence incorrect. God is not a physical being, He has rather created the whole physical phenomenon as He willed. Nobody shares this or other of his attributes. Hence God is nobody’s physical or literal father. God is father of the humans in a metaphorics sense, nothing could get created without his order/will, this is the theme of the OTBible. God has no literal wife or He needs no sex that his off-shoots are called Sons of God. This is only in the metaphoric sense otherwise it carries not meaning literally and physically. GodAllahYHWH needs no wife or son; this is only a phenomenon of the mortal being and a sort of extension of life given by the Creator to one’s species. GodAllahYHWH is immortal. Quran is very clear in this aspect:
[112:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[112:2] Say ‘He is Allah, the One!
[112:3] Allah the Independent and Besought of all.
[112:4] ‘He begets not, nor, is He begotten,
[112:5] And there is none like unto Him.
http://www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?ch=112

We can agree with him if he reconciles to the above explanation.
Since the second point is not derived by him, the third one is most faulty, in my opinion.

Jesus did not pay any debt of any human beings; he never died a cursed death on Cross as incorrectly invented by Paul at Rome to misguide the Christian sheep. Jesus was not scapegoat. If anybody has any debt, he shall have to pay it himself. When Paul propounded this philosophy, Jesus was travelling in India, happily among his Jewish lost sheep of whom he was also a shepherd. He was never a shephered of the Gentiles, this is a concept wrongly ascribed to Jesus; this debt Paul shall have to pay for.

OTBible Says:

Son of God
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. JOHN 3.16
A DESCRIPTIVE TERM:
And they made a proclamation in Judah and Jerusalem unto all the children of captivity. EZRA 10.7
Then said he, These are the two sons of oil, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth. ZECHARIA 4.14
Behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial [satin], beset the house round about. JUDGES 19.22
The good seed are the children of the kingdom. MATTHEW 13.38
JESUS NOT THE FIRST BORN SON:
ANGELS
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and satan was among them. JOB 1.6 & 2:1
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy. JOB 38.7
CHILDREN OF RIGHTEOUS:
That the sons of god saw the daughters of men that they were fair. GENESIS 6.2
THE ISRAELITES:
And thou shalt say to Pharaoh. Thus said the Lord, Israel is my son, even my first born. EXODUS 4.22
And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me. EXODUS 4.23
You are the children of the Lord, your God. DEUTERONOMY 14.1
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea. Ye are the sons of the living God. HOSEA 1.10
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/biblical/chapter_4.html

Ahmadiyya under guidance of the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 Says:

• The Term “Son of God”
While the term “Son of God” has been used in reference to Jesus, it should be noted that God has used this title for many of His chosen ones.

For example, God, in the Old Testament refers to David: “I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, ‘You are my Son; today I have begotten you'” * (Psalm 2:7)

Furthermore, in a New Testament genealogy, Adam is listed as the “Son of God” (Luke 3.38). In fact, some may argue that Adam could have a greater claim over the “Sonship of God” because, unlike Jesus, he had neither an earthly father nor mother.

In order to reconcile these references and many others, it is not unreasonable to conclude, that the Biblical usage of the term “Son of God” does not necessarily connote a literal “sonship to God” but a metaphorical one instead.

The Nature of Jesus

This metaphorical understanding is furthered by Jesus’ own words and actions. Jesus is known to have engaged in many human devotional activities such as fasting and praying. But perhaps the most significant evidence is that Jesus claimed to lack knowledge of the future because, as he claimed, only the Father possessed perfect knowledge. (Mark 13:32).

This is especially notable since Christian doctrine holds the view that Jesus’ nature is a “hypostatic union”. That is, he was “fully divine” and “fully man” at the same time. If this were true, then he should have at no point denied his own omniscience.

These, in addition to other philosophical considerations, lead one to question the biblical term “Son of God” and its literal application to Jesus.
http://www.alislam.org/topics/jesus/

Second Coming of Jesus – already taken place

June 11, 2008

I understand that it was written in the scriptures that before arrival of Messiah or Moshiach, Prophet Elijah will descend from heavens.
I find mention of Elijah in the Christian OT with following reference:-
 
1 When the LORD was about to take Elijah up to heaven in a whirlwind, Elijah and Elisha were on their way from Gilgal. (2 Kings 2:2)

11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.

 

 

(2 Kings 2:11)

 

 

 

5 “See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse.”

(Malachi 4:5 or in some versions 3:24”The Jewish people had not been accepting any claimants of the office of Moshiach even from amongst their own people, and waiting for his success or otherwise for rejecting him instead of accepting and supporting the truthful claimant .They were just to ask the question; has Elijah descended from the heavens before your arrival?

This would have saved them from a continuous wait position at least. The Jewish People are not to judge the Moshiach; Moshiach is to judge them according to the tradition.

The Jewish people of the time of Jesus knew the importance of this question and asked it, and a reply was given by Jesus, that should be referred to.

 

 


The Jewish people, undoubtedly, were waiting for a Messiah to be a human being – without any overtone of deity or divinity – who will bring about certain changes in the world and fulfill certain criteria before he can be acknowledged as a ” Messiah” and the present day Christians put before the Jewish people a super natural deity or God which is not acceptable to the Jewish people alright.

 

Matthew 17:11

11 But he answering, said to them: Elias indeed shall come, and restore all things. 12 But I say to you, that Elias is already come, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they had a mind. So also the Son of man shall suffer from them. 13 Then the disciples understood, that he had spoken to them of John the Baptist.

Unqoute

Paarsurrey says:

I think it is very clear; Jesus interpreted by Second Coming of Elijah, a symbolic coming of someone who was morally and piritually like Elijah ie John the Bapitst.

 

So those who are waiting for Second Coming of Jesus should realize and accept interpretation of Jesus; which has taken place in the form of the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 

There is no moral case of the Christians for preferring Jesus over Buddha

June 8, 2008

johnshoreland says (short excerpts from his writeup “mr wasnot having any responds to Christians”):

 

1.No one comes to the Father except through me

2.my contention that Christians need to stop relying on John 14:6 as proof that heaven (assuming there is such a place) is the exclusive domain of Christians.

3.To insist that your religion is the only true religion is so profoundly disrespectful that it can’t smack of anything but an almost absurd immaturity.

4.You can’t say all concepts of God, and all systems of faith, and all personal encounters with the universal divine that aren’t grounded in the truth of Christianity are invalid, or inadequate, or sadly delusional, and expect anyone outside of your faith to take you seriously.

5.A lot of Christians are nothing more than spiritual bullies who go around using the Bible as a club. (And a lot aren’t, too, I know.) It’s weak. It’s embarassing. Finally, and mostly, it’s boring.

6.Christians can only talk, and can never listen.

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paarsurrey says:

 

Hi

 

I leave it for the Christians as to how they come out of their narrow approach they have about other religions and how GodAllahYHWH guided other regions of the world.

 

Like Jesus guided humanity in Judea; and later Christianity spread in the West; sameway Buddha guided humanity in the East.

 

The PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 enumerates this scenario ; and I quote from him:

 

Let it be clear that Buddhist scriptures have made available to us evidence of various kinds, which, on the whole, is enough to prove that Jesus (on whom be peace) must have come to the Punjab and Kashmir, etc. I set out this evidence herein, so that all impartial people may first study it, and then by arranging it as a connected account in their minds, may themselves come to the aforesaid conclusion. Here is the evidence.

 

First: the titles given to the Buddha are similar to the titles given to Jesus. Likewise, the events of the life of Buddha resemble those of the life of Jesus. The reference here, however, is to the Buddhism of places within the boundaries of Tibet, like Leh, Lhasa, Gilgit and Hams, etc., which are the places about which it is proved that they were visited by Jesus. With reference to the similarity of titles, it is enough to point out, that if, for example, Jesus (on whom be peace) calls himself the Light in his teachings, so, Gautama has been named the Buddha, which in Sanskrit means Light.2

 

If Jesus has been called the Master2 in the gospel, so the Buddha has been called Sasta or the Master; if Jesus has been called Blessed in the Gospels, so the Buddha has been named Sugt, i.e., the Blessed. If Jesus has been called Prince, so has the Buddha been called Prince. Jesus has also been described by the Gospels as one who fulfils the object of his coming, so has the Buddha been called in Buddhistic scriptures Siddhartha i.e., one who fulfils the object of his coming.

 

Jesus has also been called by the Gospels the Refuge of the Tired, so has the Buddha in Buddhistic scriptures been called Asarn Sarm, i.e., the refuge of the refugeless. Jesus has also been called by the Gospels King, though he interpreted it as King of the Kingdom of Heaven, so also the Buddha has been called King. The similarity of events is proved by events such as these. Just as Jesus was tempted by the Devil with the riches and kingdoms of the world provided he prostrated himself to him, so was Buddha tempted when the Devil said to him that he would give him the pomp and splendour of kings if he abandoned the severity of his living and returned home. But, just as Jesus did not obey the Devil, so, it is recorded, the Buddha did not obey him. See Buddhism by T. W. Rhys Davids3; and Buddhism by Sir Monier Monier Williams4.

 

This shows that the same titles which Jesus ascribes in the gospels to himself, have in Buddhistic books, which were compiled much later, been similarly ascribed to the Buddha; and, just as Jesus was tempted by the Devil, so these books claim that the Buddha also was tempted by the Devil; nay, the account of the temptation of the Buddha as stated in these books, is longer than the account of the temptation of Jesus in the Christian Gospels.

 

It is recorded that when the Devil offered him the temptation of wealth and kingly honour, the Buddha was inclined to return home. He, however, did not obey this desire. But the same Devil met him again one night, bringing with him all his progeny, and frightened him by frightful appearances. To the Buddha these Devils appeared like snakes which were emitting fire from their mouths. The snakes began to throw fire and poison towards him but their poison was turned into flowers and the fire made a halo round the Buddha.

 

The Devil not having succeeded thus, called sixteen of his daughters, and asked them to reveal their beauty to the Buddha, but the latter was still unmoved. The Devil was balked in his designs. He adopted other means, but was unable to do anything against the steadfast Buddha, who continued to travel through higher and higher stages of spirituality, and after a long night, that is, after severe and protracted trials, he overcame his enemy the Devil; the Light of True Knowledge dawned upon him and, with the coming of the morning, i.e. as soon as his trials were over, he came to know all. The day this great battle ended was the day of the birth of Buddhism. Gautama was 35 years old then; he was called the Buddha or the Light and the Tree under which he was sitting at the time came to be known as the Tree of Light.

 

Now, if you open and see the Bible you will find how the Temptation of the Buddha resembles the Temptation of Jesus, so much so, that the Buddha’s age was nearly the same at that time as the age of Jesus. As it appears from Buddhist literature, the Devil did not appear to the Buddha in a corporeal visible form. It was a spectacle seen only by the Buddha.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch4.html

 

It is very clear from the above that the titles given to Jesus and his teachings are very similar to that of Buddha. The Christians should understand that there is no moral case, in my opinion, for preferring Jesus over Buddha.

Thanks

 

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim


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